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Hi Jonathan,

On 2020-04-02 02:41:51, you wrote to All:

ÚÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ¿ÚÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ¿ÚÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ¿ÚÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ¿ ÚÄÄÄÄ¿ ÚÄÄÄÄ¿ÚÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ¿
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À¿ ³ ³ Ô; ³ ³ Ô;³ ³ Ô;³ ³ ³ ³ ³ Ƹ À¿ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³
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³ ÚÄ¿ ³ ³ ³ ³ ÚÄ¿³ ³ ÚÄ¿³ ³ ³ ³ ³ ³ Ô¸ À´ ³ ³ ³ ³
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Õ¾ ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ;ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ;ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ;ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ;ÔÍÍÍ; ÔÍÍÍ;
ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ; ÚÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ¿ÚÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ¿ ÚÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ¿ ÚÄÄÄÄÄÄ¿ ÚÄÄÄÄ¿ ÚÄÄÄÄ¿ÚÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ¿ ³ ÕÍÍÍ͸ ³³ ÕÍÍ͸ ³ ³ Õ͸ Õ͸ ³ Ô͸ Õ; ³ À¿
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ÔÍÍÍ;ÔÍÍÍÍÍ;ÔÍÍÍ; ÔÍÍÍ; ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ;

Not readable at all on a text terminal in this editor (golded)...

Bye, Wilfred.

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My apologies. I'll try to make a better BBS ad using only text characters. Thanks for pointing this out.
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Hi Jonathan,

On 2020-04-02 12:51:10, you wrote to me:

@MSGID: 39:902/531@amiganet 5e863420
@PID: CNet PRO 5.21b
My apologies. I'll try to make a better BBS ad using only text characters. Thanks for pointing this out.

At least there should be a CHRS: kludge so editors have a decent chance to display it the right way. ;)

Bye, Wilfred.

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On Thu 2-Apr-2020 8:55p, c9Wilfred Van Velzen@39:150/200.0c7 said to ccJonathWV> Hi Jonathan,

Hi Jonathan,

At least there should be a CHRS: kludge so editors have a decent chance to display it the right way. ;)

Bye, Wilfred.

I do not have any clue to what you speak of. What string is missing?
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Hi Jonathan,

On 2020-04-03 07:39:30, you wrote to me:

At least there should be a CHRS: kludge so editors have a decent
chance to display it the right way. ;)

I do not have any clue to what you speak of. What string is missing?

http://ftsc.org/docs/fts-5003.001

Bye, Wilfred.

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On Fri 3-Apr-2020 3:17p, c9Wilfred Van Velzen@39:150/200.0c7 said to ccJonathWV> Hi Jonathan,

Hi Jonathan,

http://ftsc.org/docs/fts-5003.001

Bye, Wilfred.

Now I follow. I need to add an identifier to describe what character set is being used. What I didn't see is examples of where the identifier is inserted into the document. I have research ahead then. Is the author of the article, one Peter Krefting, still available at the email address listed in the article?

Thanks for assisting me with this. I want everyone to be able to view my ads without seeing a jumble of characters. It bothers me too when someone posts a two-page ANSI that is nothing but a jumble on my screen.

Jonathan Hodges - the Second Coming BBS scbbs.ddns.net:6400 150+ door games RetroNet 80:774/82 FidoNet 1:22/30 C=Net 64:500/12
PiNet 314:314/240 AmigaNet 39:902/531 SciNet 100:1/105
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Hi Jonathan,

On 2020-04-07 01:24:48, you wrote to me:

http://ftsc.org/docs/fts-5003.001

Now I follow. I need to add an identifier to describe what character
set is being used. What I didn't see is examples of where the
identifier is inserted into the document.

It's on the top of your message, with the other kludges (probably not visible in your reader). It's normally added by your editor, not "by hand".

I have research ahead then. Is the author of the article, one Peter Krefting, still available at the email address listed in the article?

I very much doubt that. I don't see him in the pointlist. (You could ask his former fidonet boss: Bjorn Felten)

So maybe ask you questions in the FTSC_PUBLIC echomail area, or probably even better to start in the CNET_BBS area, if it's possible to add this kludge line on outgoing messages?

Thanks for assisting me with this. I want everyone to be able to view
my ads without seeing a jumble of characters. It bothers me too when someone posts a two-page ANSI that is nothing but a jumble on my
screen.

Indeed... ;)

Bye, Wilfred.

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On Tue 7-Apr-2020 9:31a, c9Wilfred Van Velzen@39:150/200.0c7 said to ccJonath

It's on the top of your message, with the other kludges (probably not visible
in your reader). It's normally added by your editor, not "by hand".

?? Guess I need to figure out what a "kludge" is first.

So maybe ask you questions in the FTSC_PUBLIC echomail area, or probably even
better to start in the CNET_BBS area, if it's possible to add this kludge line
on outgoing messages?

Helping me out with excellent suggestions. Although man's quest for knowledge would not exist if he was given all the answers, I welcome yours nonetheless. ;-)


Jonathan Hodges - the Second Coming BBS scbbs.ddns.net:6400 150+ door games RetroNet 80:774/82 FidoNet 1:22/30 C=Net 64:500/12
PiNet 314:314/240 AmigaNet 39:902/531 SciNet 100:1/105
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Hi Jonathan,

On 2020-04-07 09:52:17, you wrote to me:

It's on the top of your message, with the other kludges (probably not
visible in your reader). It's normally added by your editor, not "by
hand".

?? Guess I need to figure out what a "kludge" is first.

You must be a real fidonet newbie! ;-)

I found this paragraph in this document: http://ftsc.org/docs/fsc-0068.001

Control lines in general:
========================
A control line is a line of text in the message's body (the
nul-terminated text portion of a message following the binary header;
see FTS-0001) ended by a carriage return. Some control lines are
preceded by a ^a (control-a, ASCII character 1) and are sometimes
referred to as "kludge lines." Kludge lines are normally not shown when displaying a message; the reading software will treat the initial ^a as
meaning "not (normally) for human consumption."

Which explains it a bit.

If you want to know more about FidoNet Technology, http://ftsc.org/ has a lot of documentation! Maybe too much. ;)


Bye, Wilfred.

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Sorta like a REM statement in BASIC, or ";" in an ARexx script. Just there for
info, not to be executed? Will an ANSI creator like Tundradraw do this?

On Tue 7-Apr-2020 6:17p, c9Wilfred Van Velzen@39:150/200.0c7 said to ccJonathWV> You must be a real fidonet newbie! ;-)

You must be a real fidonet newbie! ;-)

Never had FidoNet the last time I ran a BBS in the '90's. Only local mutterings. So yeah, guilty as charged.

Jonathan Hodges - the Second Coming BBS scbbs.ddns.net:6400 150+ door games RetroNet 80:774/82 FidoNet 1:22/30 C=Net 64:500/12
PiNet 314:314/240 AmigaNet 39:902/531 SciNet 100:1/105
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Hi Jonathan,

On 2020-04-08 02:20:51, you wrote to me:

@MSGID: 39:902/531@amiganet 5e8d8965
@PID: CNet PRO 5.21b
Sorta like a REM statement in BASIC, or ";" in an ARexx script. Just there
for info, not to be executed? Will an ANSI creator like Tundradraw do this?

No. Some kludge lines contain vital information. I purposely left the 2 on your message in the quotes above.
For exampel the MSGID is important, and plays a role in dupe detection. The PID is there just for informational purposes, and could be considered a REMark. And the CHRS kludge is more than a remark too. Because it contains information the displaying editor/viewer can use to display the message correctly.

On Tue 7-Apr-2020 6:17p, c9Wilfred Van Velzen@39:150/200.0c7 said
to
ccJonathWV> You must be a real fidonet newbie! ;-)

You must be a real fidonet newbie! ;-)

Something seems wrong here...

Never had FidoNet the last time I ran a BBS in the '90's. Only local mutterings. So yeah, guilty as charged.

By "fidonet", I meant FTN (Fidonet Technology Networks). But I think that wouldn't change your answer. ;)

Bye, Wilfred.

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Posted a different ad this time. Simple and effective.
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Hi Jonathan,

On 2020-05-05 15:08:55, you wrote to me:

Posted a different ad this time. Simple and effective.

Yes, perfectly readable! :)

Bye, Wilfred.

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Excellent thanks.

Jonathan Hodges - Second Coming BBS scbbs.ddns.net:6400 150+ doors RetroNet FidoNet CommodoreNet PiNet AmigaNet SciNet ArakNet
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