• Regional versions of BBC 1 HD: A BBC statement !

    From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 23 14:12:21 2022
    Fill yer boots

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/articles/2022/BBC-One-HD-rollout-England

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  • From wrightsaerials@f2s.com@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Wed Nov 23 19:01:53 2022
    On Wednesday, 23 November 2022 at 14:12:23 UTC, Mark Carver wrote:
    Fill yer boots

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/articles/2022/BBC-One-HD-rollout-England
    Thank you Mark.
    Bill

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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Thu Nov 24 08:51:43 2022
    Is this as incomprehensible as their last one. I don't want a headache.
    Brian

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    Fill yer boots

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/articles/2022/BBC-One-HD-rollout-England

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  • From NY@21:1/5 to Brian Gaff on Thu Nov 24 09:32:25 2022
    Brian

    I think this one is written quite well. It distinguishes fairly well between changes that relate to terrestrial and those which relate to satellite, and explains the benefit (no "please retune" slate on BBC1 HD during regional news). It also explains why BBC SD channels are ending on satellite (lack of bandwidth for both SD and HD regional variations).

    It's worth reading.

    "Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote in message news:tlnbb1$ked3$1@dont-email.me...
    Is this as incomprehensible as their last one. I don't want a headache.
    Brian

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    Fill yer boots

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/articles/2022/BBC-One-HD-rollout-England



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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 24 15:14:16 2022
    On 24/11/2022 09:32, NY wrote:
    Brian

    I think this one is written quite well. It distinguishes fairly well
    between changes that relate to terrestrial and those which relate to satellite, and explains the benefit (no "please retune" slate on BBC1
    HD during regional news). It also explains why BBC SD channels are
    ending on satellite (lack of bandwidth for both SD and HD regional variations).

    It's worth reading.

    I've noticed overexcitement about the news, for instance

    https://www.tvbeurope.com/media-consumption/bbc-one-hd-rolls-out-to-the-regions

    Quote:-
    Viewers with Freesat, Freeview, Sky and YouView devices will be able to
    watch local BBC One programming in HD by April 2023

    End Quote

    Not every viewer, because not every region will have had their studio
    upgraded to HD by then.

    What they should say is ; '...will be able to watch local BBC One
    programming on BBC 1 HD by April 2023

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  • From NY@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Fri Nov 25 10:29:49 2022
    "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:ju9g28FqimpU3@mid.individual.net...
    On 24/11/2022 09:32, NY wrote:
    Brian

    I think this one is written quite well. It distinguishes fairly well
    between changes that relate to terrestrial and those which relate to
    satellite, and explains the benefit (no "please retune" slate on BBC1 HD
    during regional news). It also explains why BBC SD channels are ending on
    satellite (lack of bandwidth for both SD and HD regional variations).

    It's worth reading.

    I've noticed overexcitement about the news, for instance

    https://www.tvbeurope.com/media-consumption/bbc-one-hd-rolls-out-to-the-regions

    Quote:-
    Viewers with Freesat, Freeview, Sky and YouView devices will be able to
    watch local BBC One programming in HD by April 2023

    End Quote

    Not every viewer, because not every region will have had their studio upgraded to HD by then.

    What they should say is ; '...will be able to watch local BBC One
    programming on BBC 1 HD by April 2023

    Ah, I thought that by now all the regions' news studios had been upgraded to HD, and that the final link in the change was the ability to broadcast those signals rather than a down-converted SD version. I suppose it will be like Nationwide in the 1970s, where they cut to some regions which hadn't yet converted to colour.

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 25 11:04:10 2022
    On 25/11/2022 10:29, NY wrote:
    "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:ju9g28FqimpU3@mid.individual.net...
    On 24/11/2022 09:32, NY wrote:
    Brian

    I think this one is written quite well. It distinguishes fairly well
    between changes that relate to terrestrial and those which relate to
    satellite, and explains the benefit (no "please retune" slate on
    BBC1 HD during regional news). It also explains why BBC SD channels
    are ending on satellite (lack of bandwidth for both SD and HD
    regional variations).

    It's worth reading.

    I've noticed overexcitement about the news, for instance

    https://www.tvbeurope.com/media-consumption/bbc-one-hd-rolls-out-to-the-regions


    Quote:-
    Viewers with Freesat, Freeview, Sky and YouView devices will be able
    to watch local BBC One programming in HD by April 2023

    End Quote

    Not every viewer, because not every region will have had their studio
    upgraded to HD by then.

    What they should say is ; '...will be able to watch local BBC One
    programming on BBC 1 HD by April 2023

    Ah, I thought that by now all the regions' news studios had been
    upgraded to HD, and that the final link in the change was the ability
    to broadcast those signals rather than a down-converted SD version.

    No, some of the studios will still be SD by the time the HD versions launch

    Definitely HD:-
    London
    Plymouth
    Salford
    Southampton.

    Last I heard (which was a 6 months ago) was Newcastle was being upgraded.

    The others, I don't know what their status is. Places like Leeds,
    Tunbridge Wells and Norwich are totally knackered with 20+ year old SD kit

    And there's not much point Birmingham being upgraded because it's moving
    to a new site in 2026, unless there's something that can be lashed up in
    the meantime.

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  • From Chris Youlden@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Fri Nov 25 13:12:22 2022
    On 25/11/2022 11:04, Mark Carver wrote:
    On 25/11/2022 10:29, NY wrote:
    "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    news:ju9g28FqimpU3@mid.individual.net...
    On 24/11/2022 09:32, NY wrote:
    Brian

    I think this one is written quite well. It distinguishes fairly well
    between changes that relate to terrestrial and those which relate to
    satellite, and explains the benefit (no "please retune" slate on
    BBC1 HD during regional news). It also explains why BBC SD channels
    are ending on satellite (lack of bandwidth for both SD and HD
    regional variations).

    It's worth reading.

    I've noticed overexcitement about the news, for instance

    https://www.tvbeurope.com/media-consumption/bbc-one-hd-rolls-out-to-the-regions

    Quote:-
    Viewers with Freesat, Freeview, Sky and YouView devices will be able
    to watch local BBC One programming in HD by April 2023

    End Quote

    Not every viewer, because not every region will have had their studio
    upgraded to HD by then.

    What they should say is ; '...will be able to watch local BBC One
    programming on BBC 1 HD by April 2023

    Ah, I thought that by now all the regions' news studios had been
    upgraded to HD, and that the final link in the change was the ability
    to broadcast those signals rather than a down-converted SD version.

    No, some of the studios will still be SD by the time the HD versions launch

    Definitely HD:-
    London
    Plymouth
    Salford
    Southampton.

    Last I heard (which was a 6 months ago) was Newcastle was being upgraded.

    The others, I don't know what their status is. Places like Leeds,
    Tunbridge Wells and Norwich are totally knackered with 20+ year old SD kit

    And there's not much point Birmingham being upgraded because it's moving
    to a new site in 2026, unless there's something that can be lashed up in
    the meantime.


    Well, at least they have saved some money by ceasing Oxford and
    Cambridge opts!

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    Chris
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    Chris

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to Chris Youlden on Fri Nov 25 14:52:38 2022
    On 25/11/2022 13:12, Chris Youlden wrote:
    On 25/11/2022 11:04, Mark Carver wrote:
    On 25/11/2022 10:29, NY wrote:
    "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    news:ju9g28FqimpU3@mid.individual.net...
    On 24/11/2022 09:32, NY wrote:
    Brian

    I think this one is written quite well. It distinguishes fairly
    well between changes that relate to terrestrial and those which
    relate to satellite, and explains the benefit (no "please retune"
    slate on BBC1 HD during regional news). It also explains why BBC
    SD channels are ending on satellite (lack of bandwidth for both SD
    and HD regional variations).

    It's worth reading.

    I've noticed overexcitement about the news, for instance

    https://www.tvbeurope.com/media-consumption/bbc-one-hd-rolls-out-to-the-regions


    Quote:-
    Viewers with Freesat, Freeview, Sky and YouView devices will be
    able to watch local BBC One programming in HD by April 2023

    End Quote

    Not every viewer, because not every region will have had their
    studio upgraded to HD by then.

    What they should say is ; '...will be able to watch local BBC One
    programming on BBC 1 HD by April 2023

    Ah, I thought that by now all the regions' news studios had been
    upgraded to HD, and that the final link in the change was the
    ability to broadcast those signals rather than a down-converted SD
    version.

    No, some of the studios will still be SD by the time the HD versions
    launch

    Definitely HD:-
    London
    Plymouth
    Salford
    Southampton.

    Last I heard (which was a 6 months ago) was Newcastle was being
    upgraded.

    The others, I don't know what their status is. Places like Leeds,
    Tunbridge Wells and Norwich are totally knackered with 20+ year old
    SD kit

    And there's not much point Birmingham being upgraded because it's
    moving to a new site in 2026, unless there's something that can be
    lashed up in the meantime.


    Well, at least they have saved some money by ceasing Oxford and
    Cambridge opts!

    Ironically, I think quite a bit of Cambridge's infrastructure is HD !

    I learn elsewhere that Midlands Today in Brum have decamped to a
    temporary studio for a few months, so maybe the Shoebox is being
    upgraded (before they all move out !)

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  • From Kevin H@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Tue Nov 29 06:37:00 2022
    On Friday, 25 November 2022 at 14:52:40 UTC, Mark Carver wrote:
    On 25/11/2022 13:12, Chris Youlden wrote:
    On 25/11/2022 11:04, Mark Carver wrote:
    On 25/11/2022 10:29, NY wrote:
    "Mark Carver" <mark....@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    news:ju9g28...@mid.individual.net...
    On 24/11/2022 09:32, NY wrote:
    Brian

    I think this one is written quite well. It distinguishes fairly
    well between changes that relate to terrestrial and those which
    relate to satellite, and explains the benefit (no "please retune" >>>>> slate on BBC1 HD during regional news). It also explains why BBC
    SD channels are ending on satellite (lack of bandwidth for both SD >>>>> and HD regional variations).

    It's worth reading.

    I've noticed overexcitement about the news, for instance

    https://www.tvbeurope.com/media-consumption/bbc-one-hd-rolls-out-to-the-regions


    Quote:-
    Viewers with Freesat, Freeview, Sky and YouView devices will be
    able to watch local BBC One programming in HD by April 2023

    End Quote

    Not every viewer, because not every region will have had their
    studio upgraded to HD by then.

    What they should say is ; '...will be able to watch local BBC One
    programming on BBC 1 HD by April 2023

    Ah, I thought that by now all the regions' news studios had been
    upgraded to HD, and that the final link in the change was the
    ability to broadcast those signals rather than a down-converted SD
    version.

    No, some of the studios will still be SD by the time the HD versions
    launch

    Definitely HD:-
    London
    Plymouth
    Salford
    Southampton.

    Last I heard (which was a 6 months ago) was Newcastle was being
    upgraded.

    The others, I don't know what their status is. Places like Leeds,
    Tunbridge Wells and Norwich are totally knackered with 20+ year old
    SD kit

    And there's not much point Birmingham being upgraded because it's
    moving to a new site in 2026, unless there's something that can be
    lashed up in the meantime.


    Well, at least they have saved some money by ceasing Oxford and
    Cambridge opts!

    Ironically, I think quite a bit of Cambridge's infrastructure is HD !

    I learn elsewhere that Midlands Today in Brum have decamped to a
    temporary studio for a few months, so maybe the Shoebox is being
    upgraded (before they all move out !)
    As a viewer of BBC East (West) as they label it, I can confirm that the picture quality via Sky is appalling. If there is HD anywhere in the Cambridge office then it is not making its presence felt. That aside I think I am not alone in thinking having
    the entire region served from Norwich is a retrograde step. Still, what does it matter what the great unwashed think. We're only the customers. Rant over.

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  • From Chris Youlden@21:1/5 to Kevin H on Sun Dec 4 18:52:24 2022
    On 29/11/2022 14:37, Kevin H wrote:

    As a viewer of BBC East (West) as they label it, I can confirm that the picture quality via Sky is appalling. If there is HD anywhere in the Cambridge office then it is not making its presence felt. That aside I think I am not alone in thinking having
    the entire region served from Norwich is a retrograde step. Still, what does it matter what the great unwashed think. We're only the customers. Rant over.

    Yes, the BBC is very good at planning regional coverage! I think the
    historical necessity to cover an area designated by transmitter coverage
    lives on.

    We are now seeing Swindon stories regularly on South Today because the
    Oxford transmitter sweeps down into Swindon, and the Oxford opt has ceased.

    And back before the dawn of time when the BBC debated where their South
    Region should be based, it was a toss up between Southampton and
    Brighton. Somebody apparently questioned how relevant Dorset was to
    Brighton, or vice versa, and Southampton won. (Although the official
    reason given was the docks).

    --

    Chris

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  • From Paul Ratcliffe@21:1/5 to Chris Youlden on Wed Dec 7 13:30:36 2022
    On Sun, 4 Dec 2022 18:52:24 +0000, Chris Youlden <fbx@youlden.co.uk> wrote:

    We are now seeing Swindon stories regularly on South Today because the
    Oxford transmitter sweeps down into Swindon, and the Oxford opt has ceased.

    No it hasn't. The last day is Fri 16th.

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