• Re: freeview tv guide

    From Woody@21:1/5 to Torx on Thu Nov 10 18:20:52 2022
    On Thu 10/11/2022 18:15, Torx wrote:
    We are trying to record 2 of tonight's BBC2 progs via our Panasonic DVR
    which was working OK yesterday.  When we highlight the progs we want and press ok the screen goes blank and after a few moments whatever channel
    we were tuned to comes up.  No recording. Does anyone have any info as
    to what's happening?

    Hard disc full or insufficient space?

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  • From Torx@21:1/5 to Woody on Thu Nov 10 18:45:14 2022
    On 10/11/2022 18:20, Woody wrote:
    On Thu 10/11/2022 18:15, Torx wrote:
    We are trying to record 2 of tonight's BBC2 progs via our Panasonic
    DVR which was working OK yesterday.  When we highlight the progs we
    want and press ok the screen goes blank and after a few moments
    whatever channel we were tuned to comes up.  No recording. Does anyone
    have any info as to what's happening?

    Hard disc full or insufficient space?

    There is plenty of room on the disk, just checked, more than half its
    capacity is available. Thanks tho, I should have checked before posting!

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  • From Torx@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 10 18:15:56 2022
    We are trying to record 2 of tonight's BBC2 progs via our Panasonic DVR
    which was working OK yesterday. When we highlight the progs we want and
    press ok the screen goes blank and after a few moments whatever channel
    we were tuned to comes up. No recording. Does anyone have any info as
    to what's happening?

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  • From Jeff Layman@21:1/5 to Torx on Thu Nov 10 19:46:01 2022
    On 10/11/2022 18:15, Torx wrote:
    We are trying to record 2 of tonight's BBC2 progs via our Panasonic DVR
    which was working OK yesterday. When we highlight the progs we want and press ok the screen goes blank and after a few moments whatever channel
    we were tuned to comes up. No recording. Does anyone have any info as
    to what's happening?

    Just for clarity, are the recordings you are trying to do timed
    recordings, or instant recordings?

    If the PVR keeps doing this, power it down completely for 10 minutes and
    try again. I have a Panasonic PVR which, a few years ago, failed to
    record programmes and would not respond to the remote control. I could
    only get it working by powering down. Even then, after a few days, the
    fault would reappear. I now have a timer set to cut power to the PVR
    every day at around 0500 (I am never recording then). It now only plays
    up once every 12 months or so, and if it does I pull the mains plug for
    10 minutes.

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  • From Woody@21:1/5 to Jeff Layman on Thu Nov 10 20:38:45 2022
    On Thu 10/11/2022 19:46, Jeff Layman wrote:
    On 10/11/2022 18:15, Torx wrote:
    We are trying to record 2 of tonight's BBC2 progs via our Panasonic DVR
    which was working OK yesterday.  When we highlight the progs we want and
    press ok the screen goes blank and after a few moments whatever channel
    we were tuned to comes up.  No recording. Does anyone have any info as
    to what's happening?

    Just for clarity, are the recordings you are trying to do timed
    recordings, or instant recordings?

    If the PVR keeps doing this, power it down completely for 10 minutes and
    try again. I have a Panasonic PVR which, a few years ago, failed to
    record programmes and would not respond to the remote control. I could
    only get it working by powering down. Even then, after a few days, the
    fault would reappear. I now have a timer set to cut power to the PVR
    every day at around 0500 (I am never recording then). It now only plays
    up once every 12 months or so, and if it does I pull the mains plug for
    10 minutes.


    Usual thing causing that - and especially on older units - is dried out electrolytic capacitors in and around the power supply. It could also
    show itself as problems or flickering of the display.

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  • From Torx@21:1/5 to Woody on Thu Nov 10 21:20:36 2022
    On 10/11/2022 20:38, Woody wrote:
    On Thu 10/11/2022 19:46, Jeff Layman wrote:
    On 10/11/2022 18:15, Torx wrote:
    We are trying to record 2 of tonight's BBC2 progs via our Panasonic DVR
    which was working OK yesterday.  When we highlight the progs we want and >>> press ok the screen goes blank and after a few moments whatever channel
    we were tuned to comes up.  No recording. Does anyone have any info as
    to what's happening?

    Just for clarity, are the recordings you are trying to do timed
    recordings, or instant recordings?

    If the PVR keeps doing this, power it down completely for 10 minutes
    and try again. I have a Panasonic PVR which, a few years ago, failed
    to record programmes and would not respond to the remote control. I
    could only get it working by powering down. Even then, after a few
    days, the fault would reappear. I now have a timer set to cut power to
    the PVR every day at around 0500 (I am never recording then). It now
    only plays up once every 12 months or so, and if it does I pull the
    mains plug for 10 minutes.


    Usual thing causing that - and especially on older units - is dried out electrolytic capacitors in and around the power supply. It could also
    show itself as problems or flickering of the display.

    Trying to do timed recordings, never had a problem before but the Panny
    is quite a few ears old now, maybe it's trying to tell me something!
    Thank you both for your input.

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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to Torx on Fri Nov 11 10:03:41 2022
    I think one of the poorest things about Freeview are its guides.
    My samsung has slowed down a lot almost to the level of old fashioned
    teletext in updating the guide. I wonder why there is just not one central guide and everyone uses it, It seems to have different formats depending on what you have it on, do the set makers just grab data and shove it into
    their own guide?
    Brian

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    "Torx" <torx@torx.org> wrote in message news:tkjf4r$jivr$1@dont-email.me...
    We are trying to record 2 of tonight's BBC2 progs via our Panasonic DVR
    which was working OK yesterday. When we highlight the progs we want and press ok the screen goes blank and after a few moments whatever channel we were tuned to comes up. No recording. Does anyone have any info as to
    what's happening?

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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to Woody on Fri Nov 11 10:04:32 2022
    Should it not give an error to that effect though?
    Brian

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    "Woody" <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:tkjfe5$jkrn$1@dont-email.me...
    On Thu 10/11/2022 18:15, Torx wrote:
    We are trying to record 2 of tonight's BBC2 progs via our Panasonic DVR
    which was working OK yesterday. When we highlight the progs we want and
    press ok the screen goes blank and after a few moments whatever channel
    we were tuned to comes up. No recording. Does anyone have any info as to
    what's happening?

    Hard disc full or insufficient space?

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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to Jeff Layman on Fri Nov 11 10:06:43 2022
    This sounds like an issue with capacitors in the power supply to me. Seen it
    on several different devices.
    Brian

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    "Jeff Layman" <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:tkjkdp$iqja$1@dont-email.me...
    On 10/11/2022 18:15, Torx wrote:
    We are trying to record 2 of tonight's BBC2 progs via our Panasonic DVR
    which was working OK yesterday. When we highlight the progs we want and
    press ok the screen goes blank and after a few moments whatever channel
    we were tuned to comes up. No recording. Does anyone have any info as
    to what's happening?

    Just for clarity, are the recordings you are trying to do timed
    recordings, or instant recordings?

    If the PVR keeps doing this, power it down completely for 10 minutes and
    try again. I have a Panasonic PVR which, a few years ago, failed to record programmes and would not respond to the remote control. I could only get
    it working by powering down. Even then, after a few days, the fault would reappear. I now have a timer set to cut power to the PVR every day at
    around 0500 (I am never recording then). It now only plays up once every
    12 months or so, and if it does I pull the mains plug for 10 minutes.

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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to Woody on Fri Nov 11 10:08:44 2022
    And sudden crashes and stuck on one channel and vanishing AD etc, indeed
    almost anything in the software that interference can screw up. Brian

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    "Woody" <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:tkjngm$k8rs$1@dont-email.me...
    On Thu 10/11/2022 19:46, Jeff Layman wrote:
    On 10/11/2022 18:15, Torx wrote:
    We are trying to record 2 of tonight's BBC2 progs via our Panasonic DVR
    which was working OK yesterday. When we highlight the progs we want and
    press ok the screen goes blank and after a few moments whatever channel
    we were tuned to comes up. No recording. Does anyone have any info as
    to what's happening?

    Just for clarity, are the recordings you are trying to do timed
    recordings, or instant recordings?

    If the PVR keeps doing this, power it down completely for 10 minutes and
    try again. I have a Panasonic PVR which, a few years ago, failed to
    record programmes and would not respond to the remote control. I could
    only get it working by powering down. Even then, after a few days, the
    fault would reappear. I now have a timer set to cut power to the PVR
    every day at around 0500 (I am never recording then). It now only plays
    up once every 12 months or so, and if it does I pull the mains plug for
    10 minutes.


    Usual thing causing that - and especially on older units - is dried out electrolytic capacitors in and around the power supply. It could also show itself as problems or flickering of the display.


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  • From NY@21:1/5 to Brian Gaff on Fri Nov 11 11:11:02 2022
    "Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote in message news:tkl6m1$qqbp$1@dont-email.me...
    I think one of the poorest things about Freeview are its guides.
    My samsung has slowed down a lot almost to the level of old fashioned teletext in updating the guide. I wonder why there is just not one central guide and everyone uses it, It seems to have different formats depending
    on what you have it on, do the set makers just grab data and shove it into their own guide?

    I tend to thing that the over-the-air (OTA) EPG is the definitive one,
    because that can be changed in an instant if there is a scheduling change.
    But Radio Times website and Digiguide Windows application use their own listings which are not necessarily the same: not only may they be out of
    sync when there is a late-breaking change, but also the programme names and
    the programme summary are different text. At the time of the Queen's death,
    the EPGs were hopelessly out of step with reality. OK, all previously
    scheduled programmes were postponed and replaced by tributes etc. Fair
    enough. But even the modified OTA EPG listings were out of date: they listed Queen-related programmes that were not shown or were shown at other times
    than in the EPG. Of the various biographies, I think I managed to record one completely from details in the OTA EPG: the rest were delayed so I only got part of each programme. After it had happened several times, I decided to
    add an extra hour's padding on the end of each recording... There seems to
    be a misconception that at times like this, people will put their TV on and watch indefinitely, and that schedules announced in advance (even an hour or
    so beforehand) don't matter any more.

    Over the past month or so, there was a set of biographical programmes on Channel 5 about various comedy stars (Sid James, Leonard Rossiter, Penelope Keith, Wendy Craig). These had a variety of titles which all included the person's name but then had free-form text that was relevant to the person
    (eg "Penelope Keith: From Margo to The Manor Born"). But Digiguide listed
    each programme as "The Unforgettable Penelope Keith" (etc) - and that is a completely different series. So someone took the definitive listing that was provided (from somewhere unknown!) and changed it. Duh!

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  • From David Woolley@21:1/5 to Brian Gaff on Fri Nov 11 11:49:21 2022
    On 11/11/2022 10:03, Brian Gaff wrote:
    do the set makers just grab data and shove it into
    their own guide?

    That's what I've always assumed they did.

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  • From Jeff Layman@21:1/5 to Woody on Fri Nov 11 13:24:33 2022
    On 10/11/2022 20:38, Woody wrote:
    On Thu 10/11/2022 19:46, Jeff Layman wrote:
    On 10/11/2022 18:15, Torx wrote:
    We are trying to record 2 of tonight's BBC2 progs via our Panasonic DVR
    which was working OK yesterday.  When we highlight the progs we want and >>> press ok the screen goes blank and after a few moments whatever channel
    we were tuned to comes up.  No recording. Does anyone have any info as
    to what's happening?

    Just for clarity, are the recordings you are trying to do timed
    recordings, or instant recordings?

    If the PVR keeps doing this, power it down completely for 10 minutes and
    try again. I have a Panasonic PVR which, a few years ago, failed to
    record programmes and would not respond to the remote control. I could
    only get it working by powering down. Even then, after a few days, the
    fault would reappear. I now have a timer set to cut power to the PVR
    every day at around 0500 (I am never recording then). It now only plays
    up once every 12 months or so, and if it does I pull the mains plug for
    10 minutes.


    Usual thing causing that - and especially on older units - is dried out electrolytic capacitors in and around the power supply. It could also
    show itself as problems or flickering of the display.

    Although capacitors are a known issue in older equipment, I' wouldn't
    think this PVR old enough for capacitor problems. I got it new 8 years
    ago, and it's been having this problem for at least 3 years. I'd have
    hoped that Panasonic had used decent capacitors - their own brand? One
    day I'll open it up again and have a look to see if there's any bulging.

    --

    Jeff

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  • From NY@21:1/5 to Jeff Layman on Fri Nov 11 14:02:04 2022
    "Jeff Layman" <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:tklieh$rhbt$1@dont-email.me...
    Usual thing causing that - and especially on older units - is dried out
    electrolytic capacitors in and around the power supply. It could also
    show itself as problems or flickering of the display.

    Although capacitors are a known issue in older equipment, I' wouldn't
    think this PVR old enough for capacitor problems. I got it new 8 years
    ago, and it's been having this problem for at least 3 years. I'd have
    hoped that Panasonic had used decent capacitors - their own brand? One day I'll open it up again and have a look to see if there's any bulging.

    We have an old TVonics hard-disc TV recorder which has twice stopped working because of faulty PSUs - first the original PSU that was supplied with the
    PVR failed, then a replacement (same voltage and current rating 12V/2A)
    failed a year or so later. The symptom was that although the menus worked,
    it couldn't access the disc so there were no recordings. When I listened,
    there was no sound of the disc spinning up. The voltage at the PSU input reduced from 12V to 8V as soon as the PVR was switched on, probably as the electronics tried to turn the HDD on.

    At first I thought the device was totally broken, and I even took the HDD
    out to see if I could read the data on the disk. I couldn't: the disk wasn't recognised as a valid filesystem either when connected to a Windows PC (so
    not FAT/FAT32/exFAT or NTFS) or to a Raspberry Pi (so not ext4 or other Unix-only filesystems). Even if I'd been able to read the filesystem, the format of the video files could have been non-standard (eg not MPG, TS etc
    with MPEG2 compression), but I never got that far. Then I thought to look at the supply voltage and realised I was barking up the wrong tree. As soon as
    I found a spare PSU that produced 12V at up to 2A, normal service was
    resumed.

    That PVR became less useful when we got a new TV which doesn't have SCART or other composite video input - and the PVR is too old to have HDMI output.
    Such is life!

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  • From Jeff Layman@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 11 16:57:14 2022
    On 11/11/2022 14:02, NY wrote:
    "Jeff Layman" <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:tklieh$rhbt$1@dont-email.me...
    Usual thing causing that - and especially on older units - is dried out
    electrolytic capacitors in and around the power supply. It could also
    show itself as problems or flickering of the display.

    Although capacitors are a known issue in older equipment, I' wouldn't
    think this PVR old enough for capacitor problems. I got it new 8 years
    ago, and it's been having this problem for at least 3 years. I'd have
    hoped that Panasonic had used decent capacitors - their own brand? One day >> I'll open it up again and have a look to see if there's any bulging.

    We have an old TVonics hard-disc TV recorder which has twice stopped working because of faulty PSUs - first the original PSU that was supplied with the PVR failed, then a replacement (same voltage and current rating 12V/2A) failed a year or so later. The symptom was that although the menus worked,
    it couldn't access the disc so there were no recordings. When I listened, there was no sound of the disc spinning up. The voltage at the PSU input reduced from 12V to 8V as soon as the PVR was switched on, probably as the electronics tried to turn the HDD on.

    At first I thought the device was totally broken, and I even took the HDD
    out to see if I could read the data on the disk. I couldn't: the disk wasn't recognised as a valid filesystem either when connected to a Windows PC (so not FAT/FAT32/exFAT or NTFS) or to a Raspberry Pi (so not ext4 or other Unix-only filesystems). Even if I'd been able to read the filesystem, the format of the video files could have been non-standard (eg not MPG, TS etc with MPEG2 compression), but I never got that far.

    I thought TV recorders use their own file format. I think I've read
    somewhere that because speed is of the essence, they don't use error
    correction either. BICBW.

    Then I thought to look at
    the supply voltage and realised I was barking up the wrong tree. As soon as
    I found a spare PSU that produced 12V at up to 2A, normal service was resumed.

    I assume you're referring to a wall wart type. My PVR's SMPS is internal.

    That PVR became less useful when we got a new TV which doesn't have SCART or other composite video input - and the PVR is too old to have HDMI output. Such is life!

    My PVR is the DM-HWT130. There is only one connection available to the
    TV, and that's HDMI. I have the service manual, and that has a pretty
    long diagnostic section accessible by using special codes on the remote control. It also has a comprehensive block diagram, including that of
    the power supply. But that contains no component values for the
    resistors and capacitors! I guess they just intend for the whole module
    to be replaced if there's a problem.

    --

    Jeff

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  • From Torx@21:1/5 to Torx on Fri Nov 11 18:48:56 2022
    On 10/11/2022 18:15, Torx wrote:
    We are trying to record 2 of tonight's BBC2 progs via our Panasonic DVR
    which was working OK yesterday.  When we highlight the progs we want and press ok the screen goes blank and after a few moments whatever channel
    we were tuned to comes up.  No recording. Does anyone have any info as
    to what's happening?

    Update. It seems to have cured itself and is now apparently working
    correctly. I had a feeling it wasn't so much the Panny acting up
    (usually quite reliable) but the transmission borked some way although
    if that was the case others would have had the same problem. Fingers
    crossed.

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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to me@privacy.invalid on Sun Nov 13 11:12:44 2022
    Yes, not only that but Murder She wrote when she died had on some listings
    the text about her death, then often some showings had the AD track while
    some did not but none of the listings got which had it and which did not.
    Its all a bit of a mess.
    Brian

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    "NY" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote in message
    news:tklakm$r5v2$1@dont-email.me...
    "Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote in message news:tkl6m1$qqbp$1@dont-email.me...
    I think one of the poorest things about Freeview are its guides.
    My samsung has slowed down a lot almost to the level of old fashioned
    teletext in updating the guide. I wonder why there is just not one
    central guide and everyone uses it, It seems to have different formats
    depending on what you have it on, do the set makers just grab data and
    shove it into their own guide?

    I tend to thing that the over-the-air (OTA) EPG is the definitive one, because that can be changed in an instant if there is a scheduling change. But Radio Times website and Digiguide Windows application use their own listings which are not necessarily the same: not only may they be out of
    sync when there is a late-breaking change, but also the programme names
    and the programme summary are different text. At the time of the Queen's death, the EPGs were hopelessly out of step with reality. OK, all
    previously scheduled programmes were postponed and replaced by tributes
    etc. Fair enough. But even the modified OTA EPG listings were out of date: they listed Queen-related programmes that were not shown or were shown at other times than in the EPG. Of the various biographies, I think I managed
    to record one completely from details in the OTA EPG: the rest were
    delayed so I only got part of each programme. After it had happened
    several times, I decided to add an extra hour's padding on the end of each recording... There seems to be a misconception that at times like this, people will put their TV on and watch indefinitely, and that schedules announced in advance (even an hour or so beforehand) don't matter any
    more.

    Over the past month or so, there was a set of biographical programmes on Channel 5 about various comedy stars (Sid James, Leonard Rossiter,
    Penelope Keith, Wendy Craig). These had a variety of titles which all included the person's name but then had free-form text that was relevant
    to the person (eg "Penelope Keith: From Margo to The Manor Born"). But Digiguide listed each programme as "The Unforgettable Penelope Keith"
    (etc) - and that is a completely different series. So someone took the definitive listing that was provided (from somewhere unknown!) and changed it. Duh!

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  • From Dave W@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 19 17:51:20 2022
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  • From NY@21:1/5 to Dave W on Sat Nov 19 22:32:56 2022
    On 19/11/2022 17:51, Dave W wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 14:02:04 -0000, "NY" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
    We have an old TVonics hard-disc TV recorder which has twice stopped working

    ...

    I think the recorder probably uses a Linux file system.

    I expected it to be Linux (eg ext4), given that I couldn't read anything
    off the disc when I connected it to a Windows PC (so not (ex)FAT(32) or
    NTFS). But when I got a Raspberry Pi and connected the disc to that, I
    still couldn't see a valid filesystem. Maybe I should have persisted
    with every type of Unix filesystem I could think of: as far as I know,
    you have to specify an expected filesystem in the mount command and
    can't leave that field blank to say "you work it out for yourself".

    Whether the video files would have been recognisable even if I'd managed
    to read the filesystem is another matter... Sod's Law says they wouldn't
    have been TS or MPEG or WTV or DVR-MS format.

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  • From Jeff Layman@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 20 08:23:21 2022
    On 19/11/2022 22:32, NY wrote:
    On 19/11/2022 17:51, Dave W wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 14:02:04 -0000, "NY" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
    We have an old TVonics hard-disc TV recorder which has twice stopped working

    ...

    I think the recorder probably uses a Linux file system.

    I expected it to be Linux (eg ext4), given that I couldn't read anything
    off the disc when I connected it to a Windows PC (so not (ex)FAT(32) or NTFS). But when I got a Raspberry Pi and connected the disc to that, I
    still couldn't see a valid filesystem. Maybe I should have persisted
    with every type of Unix filesystem I could think of: as far as I know,
    you have to specify an expected filesystem in the mount command and
    can't leave that field blank to say "you work it out for yourself".

    Whether the video files would have been recognisable even if I'd managed
    to read the filesystem is another matter... Sod's Law says they wouldn't
    have been TS or MPEG or WTV or DVR-MS format.

    Over in alt.os.linux.mint, where someone had a problem reading a disk,
    the suggested solution was "Disktype" (it's for Linux, although there is
    a version for Cygwin):
    https://disktype.sourceforge.net/
    https://disktype.sourceforge.net/doc/

    --

    Jeff

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