On 07/11/2022 21:29, Jason Gomez wrote:
I want to get portable television for my father, who is in hospital. I
am not sure if he will get good reception as he is a few metres away
from the window, but it's worth trying.
I can see a lot of different models available in eBay and Amazon UK,
so I am not sure what to look for.
This seems to be the sort of thing I need to get, as I would like a
remote as that is what he's used to using, but it doesn't seem to come
with the sturdy stand and aerial that they use in the picture.
https://smile.amazon.co.uk/portable-rechargeable-Suitable-European-countries-balck/dp/B08R8G336D
Any recommendations?
Even when only a few miles from a powerful main transmitter, reception
of digital television on manageable sized indoor aerials is poor with satisfactory reception of only some of the channels being the best you
can expect.
I want to get portable television for my father, who is in hospital. I am not sure if he will get good reception as he is a few metres away from the window, but it's worth trying.
I can see a lot of different models available in eBay and Amazon UK, so I am not sure what to look for.
This seems to be the sort of thing I need to get, as I would like a remote as that is what he's used to using, but it doesn't seem to come with the sturdy stand and aerial that they use in the picture.
https://smile.amazon.co.uk/portable-rechargeable-Suitable-European-countries-balck/dp/B08R8G336D
Any recommendations?
On 07/11/2022 22:25, Brian Gregory wrote:
On 07/11/2022 21:29, Jason Gomez wrote:
I want to get portable television for my father, who is in hospital.
I am not sure if he will get good reception as he is a few metres
away from the window, but it's worth trying.
I can see a lot of different models available in eBay and Amazon UK,
so I am not sure what to look for.
This seems to be the sort of thing I need to get, as I would like a
remote as that is what he's used to using, but it doesn't seem to
come with the sturdy stand and aerial that they use in the picture.
https://smile.amazon.co.uk/portable-rechargeable-Suitable-European-countries-balck/dp/B08R8G336D
Any recommendations?
Even when only a few miles from a powerful main transmitter, reception
of digital television on manageable sized indoor aerials is poor with
satisfactory reception of only some of the channels being the best you
can expect.
Possibly a TV with an inbuilt DVD player may be better
On 07/11/2022 21:29, Jason Gomez wrote:
I want to get portable television for my father, who is in hospital. I
am not sure if he will get good reception as he is a few metres away
from the window, but it's worth trying.
I can see a lot of different models available in eBay and Amazon UK,
so I am not sure what to look for.
This seems to be the sort of thing I need to get, as I would like a
remote as that is what he's used to using, but it doesn't seem to come
with the sturdy stand and aerial that they use in the picture.
https://smile.amazon.co.uk/portable-rechargeable-Suitable-European-countries-balck/dp/B08R8G336D
Any recommendations?
Even when only a few miles from a powerful main transmitter, reception
of digital television on manageable sized indoor aerials is poor with satisfactory reception of only some of the channels being the best you
can expect.
Get anything that needs to be plugged in in a hospital and it will
have to jump through the PAT testing loops if indeed the hospital will
even permit it.
On 08/11/2022 08:04, Woody wrote:
Get anything that needs to be plugged in in a hospital and it will
have to jump through the PAT testing loops if indeed the hospital will
even permit it.
No one has ever raised an eyebrow in recent years turning up in hospital wards with USB phone chargers etc
Get anything that needs to be plugged in in a hospital and it will have
to jump through the PAT testing loops if indeed the hospital will even
permit it.
On 08/11/2022 08:04, Woody wrote:
Get anything that needs to be plugged in in a hospital and it will have
to jump through the PAT testing loops if indeed the hospital will even
permit it.
Do they not recognise a PAT tested label on something.LOL. You're clearly fortunate enough to have never been to a hospital !
Do they not recognise a PAT tested label on something.
On 08/11/2022 08:04, Woody wrote:
Get anything that needs to be plugged in in a hospital and it will
have to jump through the PAT testing loops if indeed the hospital will
even permit it.
No one has ever raised an eyebrow in recent years turning up in hospital wards with USB phone chargers etc
In any case they are Class 2 and therefore exempt ?
PATting (PAT testing is tautologous)
is only specified in qualitative terms. But the typical interpretation
for double insulated devices is that a visual check by a competent person
is sufficient.
PATting (PAT testing is tautologous) is only specified in qualitative
terms. But the typical interpretation for double insulated devices is
that a visual check by a competent person is sufficient. That's not an exemption, though. A hospital probably wouldn't consider a nurse
competent to do this.
On 08/11/2022 08:19, Mark Carver wrote:
On 08/11/2022 08:04, Woody wrote:
Get anything that needs to be plugged in in a hospital and it will
have to jump through the PAT testing loops if indeed the hospital will
even permit it.
I wondered about that having had a chiropodist say they shouldn't really
be using their electric nail file when my mother was in hospital, but
that was ten years ago.
No one has ever raised an eyebrow in recent years turning up in hospital wards with USB phone chargers etc
In any case they are Class 2 and therefore exempt ?
PATting (PAT testing is tautologous) is only specified in qualitative
terms. But the typical interpretation for double insulated devices is
that a visual check by a competent person is sufficient. That's not an exemption, though. A hospital probably wouldn't consider a nurse
competent to do this.
The other potential issue is fire. The sheltered accommodation, where
she was before that, wouldn't let mobile phones be charged unattended or overnight.
On 08/11/2022 11:24, David Woolley wrote:
PATting (PAT testing is tautologous) is only specified in qualitative terms. But the typical interpretation for double insulated devices is
that a visual check by a competent person is sufficient. That's not an exemption, though. A hospital probably wouldn't consider a nurse
competent to do this.
Some years since I did any but from what I remember the regulation just
said that you had to have a system without being very specific.
We were authorised to do our own testing and I remember the sparky
saying the visual check was the most important part of the test.
That's what worries me about shifting high loads to overnight. I have
friends whose dishwasher caught fire at night. Luckily they had a suitable alarm.
I think by 'overnight' all they are talking about is NOT between 16:00The other potential issue is fire. The sheltered accommodation, whereThat's what worries me about shifting high loads to overnight.
she was before that, wouldn't let mobile phones be charged unattended or
overnight.
What is the hospital Wi Fi like?
On 07/11/2022 22:35, alan_m wrote:
On 07/11/2022 22:25, Brian Gregory wrote:
On 07/11/2022 21:29, Jason Gomez wrote:Possibly a TV with an inbuilt DVD player may be better
I want to get portable television for my father, who is in
hospital. I am not sure if he will get good reception as he is a
few metres away from the window, but it's worth trying.
I can see a lot of different models available in eBay and Amazon
UK, so I am not sure what to look for.
This seems to be the sort of thing I need to get, as I would like a >>>>remote as that is what he's used to using, but it doesn't seem to
come with the sturdy stand and aerial that they use in the picture.
https://smile.amazon.co.uk/portable-rechargeable-Suitable-European-co >>>>untries-balck/dp/B08R8G336D
Any recommendations?
Even when only a few miles from a powerful main transmitter,
reception of digital television on manageable sized indoor aerials
is poor with satisfactory reception of only some of the channels
being the best you can expect.
What is the hospital Wi Fi like?
could a roku stick be used on a TV set with a HDMI input?
Or even a large sized tablet running BBC iPlayer, ITVHub, All4 and My5 apps?
Even if no Wifi, whats the mobile reception like as some tablets will
support a SIM and there are some good value data plans about, such as >Smarty's 50GB data a month for £10 monthly....
In message <tkc4k8$3m3ru$1@dont-email.me>, SH <i.love@spam.com> writes
On 07/11/2022 22:35, alan_m wrote:
On 07/11/2022 22:25, Brian Gregory wrote:
On 07/11/2022 21:29, Jason Gomez wrote:Â Possibly a TV with an inbuilt DVD player may be better
I want to get portable television for my father, who is in
hospital. I am not sure if he will get good reception as he is a
few metres away from the window, but it's worth trying.
I can see a lot of different models available in eBay and Amazon
UK, so I am not sure what to look for.
This seems to be the sort of thing I need to get, as I would like a
remote as that is what he's used to using, but it doesn't seem to
come with the sturdy stand and aerial that they use in the picture.
https://smile.amazon.co.uk/portable-rechargeable-Suitable-European-co >>>>> untries-balck/dp/B08R8G336D
Any recommendations?
Even when only a few miles from a powerful main transmitter,
reception of digital television on manageable sized indoor aerials
is poor with satisfactory reception of only some of the channels
being the best you can expect.
What is the hospital Wi Fi like?
could a roku stick be used on a TV set with a HDMI input?
Or even a large sized tablet running BBC iPlayer, ITVHub, All4 and My5
apps?
Even if no Wifi, whats the mobile reception like as some tablets will
support a SIM and there are some good value data plans about, such as
Smarty's 50GB data a month for £10 monthly....
BBC streamed TV looks fine on my smartphone (either via WiFi or the
phone signal). You soon get used to the small picture.
On 07/11/2022 21:29, Jason Gomez wrote:
I want to get portable television for my father, who is in hospital. I am
not sure if he will get good reception as he is a few metres away from
the window, but it's worth trying.
I can see a lot of different models available in eBay and Amazon UK, so I
am not sure what to look for.
This seems to be the sort of thing I need to get, as I would like a
remote as that is what he's used to using, but it doesn't seem to come
with the sturdy stand and aerial that they use in the picture.
https://smile.amazon.co.uk/portable-rechargeable-Suitable-European-countries-balck/dp/B08R8G336D
Any recommendations?
Even when only a few miles from a powerful main transmitter, reception of digital television on manageable sized indoor aerials is poor with satisfactory reception of only some of the channels being the best you can expect.
--
Brian Gregory (in England).
I've never had much luck with indoor aerials on digital, too many
reflections and absorptive masonry about. Of course some do have feeds for TVs but remember unless in a private room headphones are mandatory usually., even for mobile phones.
That is why most people go for a cheap tablet and hope internet coverage
is OK enough to use the on line versions of the channels.
I've never had much luck with indoor aerials on digital, too many
reflections and absorptive masonry about. Of course some do have feeds for TVs but remember unless in a private room headphones are mandatory
usually., even for mobile phones.
I want to get portable television for my father, who is in hospital. I am not sure if he will get good reception as he is a few metres away from the window, but it's worth trying.
I can see a lot of different models available in eBay and Amazon UK, so I am not sure what to look for.
This seems to be the sort of thing I need to get, as I would like a remote as that is what he's used to using, but it doesn't seem to come with the sturdy stand and aerial that they use in the picture.
https://smile.amazon.co.uk/portable-rechargeable-Suitable-European-countries-balck/dp/B08R8G336D
Any recommendations?
Cheers
ss.
Isn't DTT more resistant to reflections than analogue?
When it first started up I took the STB up to a friend's place inNo you didn't get a perfect signal, you got signal adequate to allow the receiver to do enough error correction to produce a picture, at that particular moment.
Inverness. We got a perfect signal using my finger on the aerial
socket, I doubt whether it would work as well with analogue.
But that separate antenna looks like a faff and it would be necessary to
find a suitable adjacent flat surface with a line of sight to the window
(or something). Portables used to use a folding loop aerial attached to
the back cover.
On Wednesday, 9 November 2022 at 13:50:00 UTC, MB wrote:
Isn't DTT more resistant to reflections than analogue?
Yes.
No you didn't get a perfect signal, you got signal adequate to allow the receiver to do enough error correction to produce a picture, at that particular moment.
When it first started up I took the STB up to a friend's place in
Inverness. We got a perfect signal using my finger on the aerial
socket, I doubt whether it would work as well with analogue.
On 09/11/2022 10:43, Brian Gaff wrote:
I've never had much luck with indoor aerials on digital, too many
reflections and absorptive masonry about. Of course some do have feeds
for
TVs but remember unless in a private room headphones are mandatory
usually.,
even for mobile phones.
Isn't DTT more resistant to reflections than analogue?
When it first started up I took the STB up to a friend's place in
Inverness. We got a perfect signal using my finger on the aerial socket,
I doubt whether it would work as well with analogue.
"Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote in message news:tkg07o$6v45$1@dont-email.me...
That is why most people go for a cheap tablet and hope internet coverage
is OK enough to use the on line versions of the channels.
I've never had much luck with indoor aerials on digital, too many
reflections and absorptive masonry about. Of course some do have feeds
for TVs but remember unless in a private room headphones are mandatory
usually., even for mobile phones.
I managed with a cheap mini-Yagi aerial for my B&W TV at university in Bristol. In the first hall of residence where I lived, at BS9 1JQ, I had a good signal on all four analogue channels (before the days of Channel
Five) from Bristol Kings Weston Hill. Then in my final year I moved to BS6 7BG and the reception from (I presume) Bristol Montpelier (or maybe
Bristol Ilchester Crescent) was dire: very snowy and ghosted, but just
about watchable at a pinch.
The most useless TV aerial I've ever encountered was a 6" vertical rod mounted on a plastic base that was supplied with a DVB-T USB tuner that I bought. I wasn't expecting it to work, and it proved me right ;-) As a
test, I drove with the aerial, tuner and my laptop to within a mile (line
of sight) of Oxford transmitter. Outdoors (so no shielding effect of the metal car body) I actually got better reception with nothing plugged into
the aerial socket than I did with the aerial ;-) Analogue reception at
home was almost indistinguishably bad for both no aerial and the rod
aerial - equal amounts of snow, with not even the vaguest hint of a badly-synchronised raster. That aerial really was a toy. I wonder whether
it was intended more for VHF reception in mainland Europe than UHF in the
UK, since the tuner was designed to work equally well in either locality.
On Wednesday, 9 November 2022 at 13:50:00 UTC, MB wrote:
Isn't DTT more resistant to reflections than analogue?
Yes.
No you didn't get a perfect signal, you got signal adequate to allow the receiver to do enough error correction to produce a picture, at that particular moment.
When it first started up I took the STB up to a friend's place in
Inverness. We got a perfect signal using my finger on the aerial
socket, I doubt whether it would work as well with analogue.
Bill
I want to get portable television for my father, who is in hospital. Icountries-balck/dp/B08R8G336D
am not sure if he will get good reception as he is a few metres away
from the window, but it's worth trying.
I can see a lot of different models available in eBay and Amazon UK, so
I am not sure what to look for.
This seems to be the sort of thing I need to get, as I would like a
remote as that is what he's used to using, but it doesn't seem to come
with the sturdy stand and aerial that they use in the picture.
https://smile.amazon.co.uk/portable-rechargeable-Suitable-European-
Any recommendations?
Yes but we are talking digital, and here the problem becomes far worse. I don't know about the vertical rod, but I'm of the opinion that these never work as most tv channels were horizontal. The best indoor Arial I had was a home made quad cut for the middle of the local group with super
sophisticated old coat hanger rod as the elements on a bit of wood and the coax soldered to the driven element.
On purchased aerials the loops they used to mount were rubbish. Far better and not really supported by much science either were the two telescopic rods that could be adjusted for length and v angle. Like I see, even a decent
yagi or log indoors in a room downstairs is practically useless. on the old digbox.
Yes inside building its moving people and the like that affect the second
by second effects. Analogue only works cos you can still see quite well through ghosts that move and noise, but hat seems not to be the case with digital, its there or its not.
I have noticed a good deal of outside broadcasters now turning back to analogue for the old roving mike things, as though you can clearly hear
the hiss rise and fall, on digital the link just falls out of lock an
usually produces the tell tail squarks and funny noises.
Some people might say that an imperfectly-received signal that appears to be OK (no obvious green-block glitches, no stuttering) because the error-correction has done its job, is a "perfect" signal. ;-)Susceptibility to all forms of interference.
But I take your point about conditions changing from second to second, which is a lot more likely if the SNR is borderline so sometimes there are sufficiently few errors for the error correction to do its job but sometimes there are too many.
On 08/11/2022 13:09, charles wrote:
The other potential issue is fire. The sheltered accommodation, whereThat's what worries me about shifting high loads to overnight.
she was before that, wouldn't let mobile phones be charged unattended or >>> overnight.
I think by 'overnight' all they are talking about is NOT between 16:00
hrs to 19:00 hrs ?
On 09/11/2022 16:06, JNugent wrote:
But that separate antenna looks like a faff and it would be necessary
to find a suitable adjacent flat surface with a line of sight to the
window (or something). Portables used to use a folding loop aerial
attached to the back cover.
From the information on the aerial, I think this is really intended for
car or caravan use, with the aerial held magnetically to the roof.
Normally such aerials actually rely on the metal of the roof as a ground plane, but that assumes vertical polarisation. I'm not sure what the polarisation of the aerial is, but one might expect vertical from the
form factor, which won't work well with primary TV transmitters, which
are generally horizontal.
On 09/11/2022 17:33, David Woolley wrote:
On 09/11/2022 16:06, JNugent wrote:
But that separate antenna looks like a faff and it would be necessary
to find a suitable adjacent flat surface with a line of sight to the
window (or something). Portables used to use a folding loop aerial
attached to the back cover.
 From the information on the aerial, I think this is really intended
for car or caravan use, with the aerial held magnetically to the roof.
Normally such aerials actually rely on the metal of the roof as a
ground plane, but that assumes vertical polarisation. I'm not sure
what the polarisation of the aerial is, but one might expect vertical
from the form factor, which won't work well with primary TV
transmitters, which are generally horizontal.
The reviews are not just from the UK and many may be based on results
from transmitters that operate on different frequencies to the UK.
Worse still is when they combine the reviews for
the genuine item, perhaps supplied directly by Amazon, and a fake
supplied by a Chinese marketplace seller.
On 12/11/2022 08:20, alan_m wrote:
Worse still is when they combine the reviews for the genuine item,
perhaps supplied directly by Amazon, and a fake supplied by a Chinese
marketplace seller.
I became very suspicious of Amazon when looking for a source of
accessory for my camera, there were lots of comments about many being
fakes but nothing had been done by Amazon to remove them for sale.
I got more suspicious with some other items, there was a huge variation
in prices. When I looked up the cheapest, their domain was usually (if
not always) Chinese. They would claim to have huge range in stock but
when I checked the address it would be an ordinary suburban house.
Amazone disassociate themselves from their 'traders' and make no attempt
to ensure genuine items are being sold.
I very rarely buy through them, even books because I prefer to support
our excellent local bookshop even if it costs a few pounds more.
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