• Volume control working on all channels via HDMI

    From AnthonyL@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 1 08:45:19 2022
    Asking for a friend (my setup is simply LG + Topfield)

    <quote>I have a Humax satellite TV box that gives access to freesat
    stations and to a recorder. I actually watch these on a JVC smart TV.
    Until a year ago I used a Panasonic smartish TV. Both satellite box
    and TV have their own volume controls. Previously I could use either
    or both to control volume on all channels.

    Now, with the JVC TV, I can still do so for a few stations but for
    most the satellite box volume control is now ineffective, this being
    so also for recordings and iPlayer. I suspect something in the TV
    settings but these should have universal effect across all stations
    and sources. Why does the new TV accept volume control from the box
    for some channels but not others and was this not so with the previous TV?</quote>

    I'll relay any comments etc.

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  • From R. Mark Clayton@21:1/5 to AnthonyL on Tue Nov 1 04:43:59 2022
    On Tuesday, 1 November 2022 at 08:45:19 UTC, AnthonyL wrote:
    Asking for a friend (my setup is simply LG + Topfield)

    <quote>I have a Humax satellite TV box that gives access to freesat
    stations and to a recorder. I actually watch these on a JVC smart TV.
    Until a year ago I used a Panasonic smartish TV. Both satellite box
    and TV have their own volume controls. Previously I could use either
    or both to control volume on all channels.

    Now, with the JVC TV, I can still do so for a few stations but for
    most the satellite box volume control is now ineffective, this being
    so also for recordings and iPlayer. I suspect something in the TV
    settings but these should have universal effect across all stations
    and sources. Why does the new TV accept volume control from the box
    for some channels but not others and was this not so with the previous TV?</quote>

    I'll relay any comments etc.

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    AnthonyL

    Why ever wait to finish a job before starting the next?

    More likely the box - look for a setting "output level" with optiobs of fixed or variable.

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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to R. Mark Clayton on Tue Nov 1 12:50:13 2022
    On 01/11/2022 11:43, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
    On Tuesday, 1 November 2022 at 08:45:19 UTC, AnthonyL wrote:
    Asking for a friend (my setup is simply LG + Topfield)

    <quote>I have a Humax satellite TV box that gives access to freesat
    stations and to a recorder. I actually watch these on a JVC smart TV.
    Until a year ago I used a Panasonic smartish TV. Both satellite box
    and TV have their own volume controls. Previously I could use either
    or both to control volume on all channels.

    Now, with the JVC TV, I can still do so for a few stations but for
    most the satellite box volume control is now ineffective, this being
    so also for recordings and iPlayer. I suspect something in the TV
    settings but these should have universal effect across all stations
    and sources. Why does the new TV accept volume control from the box
    for some channels but not others and was this not so with the previous
    TV?</quote>

    I'll relay any comments etc.

    --
    AnthonyL

    Why ever wait to finish a job before starting the next?

    More likely the box - look for a setting "output level" with optiobs of fixed or variable.

    And maybe HD channels have a fixed volume from a set top box, depending
    on the method of audio connection.



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  • From AnthonyL@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 1 14:57:01 2022
    On Tue, 1 Nov 2022 12:50:13 +0000, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk>
    wrote:

    On 01/11/2022 11:43, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
    On Tuesday, 1 November 2022 at 08:45:19 UTC, AnthonyL wrote:
    Asking for a friend (my setup is simply LG + Topfield)

    <quote>I have a Humax satellite TV box that gives access to freesat
    stations and to a recorder. I actually watch these on a JVC smart TV.
    Until a year ago I used a Panasonic smartish TV. Both satellite box
    and TV have their own volume controls. Previously I could use either
    or both to control volume on all channels.

    Now, with the JVC TV, I can still do so for a few stations but for
    most the satellite box volume control is now ineffective, this being
    so also for recordings and iPlayer. I suspect something in the TV
    settings but these should have universal effect across all stations
    and sources. Why does the new TV accept volume control from the box
    for some channels but not others and was this not so with the previous
    TV?</quote>

    I'll relay any comments etc.

    --
    AnthonyL

    Why ever wait to finish a job before starting the next?

    More likely the box - look for a setting "output level" with optiobs of fixed or variable.

    And maybe HD channels have a fixed volume from a set top box, depending
    on the method of audio connection.



    Aren't all Satellite channels HD?


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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to junk@admac.myzen.co.uk on Tue Nov 1 14:37:57 2022
    I managed to get my samsung into a weird mode where all terrestrial off air channels had sound, but all internet derived ones did not, There were a loot
    of settings for different formats buried in the system, and eventually I toggled the right one to get everything working through the optical output.
    Sometimes I do wonder why they don't make this stuff, well, smarter!
    Brian

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    "alan_m" <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message news:jscj05FefleU1@mid.individual.net...
    On 01/11/2022 11:43, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
    On Tuesday, 1 November 2022 at 08:45:19 UTC, AnthonyL wrote:
    Asking for a friend (my setup is simply LG + Topfield)

    <quote>I have a Humax satellite TV box that gives access to freesat
    stations and to a recorder. I actually watch these on a JVC smart TV.
    Until a year ago I used a Panasonic smartish TV. Both satellite box
    and TV have their own volume controls. Previously I could use either
    or both to control volume on all channels.

    Now, with the JVC TV, I can still do so for a few stations but for
    most the satellite box volume control is now ineffective, this being
    so also for recordings and iPlayer. I suspect something in the TV
    settings but these should have universal effect across all stations
    and sources. Why does the new TV accept volume control from the box
    for some channels but not others and was this not so with the previous
    TV?</quote>

    I'll relay any comments etc.

    --
    AnthonyL

    Why ever wait to finish a job before starting the next?

    More likely the box - look for a setting "output level" with optiobs of
    fixed or variable.

    And maybe HD channels have a fixed volume from a set top box, depending on the method of audio connection.



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  • From sintv@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 1 08:55:19 2022
    On a Humax freeview recorder the handset volume doesnt vary on the HD channels but SD is variable leading to a callout when customer had volume set at 0 so only some channels were producing sound.

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  • From AnthonyL@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 1 18:47:56 2022
    On Tue, 1 Nov 2022 08:55:19 -0700 (PDT), sintv <sinclairtv@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On a Humax freeview recorder the handset volume doesnt vary on the HD channels but SD is variable leading to a callout when customer had volume set at 0 so only some channels were producing sound.

    Is that the same for Freesat?


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  • From wrightsaerials@f2s.com@21:1/5 to AnthonyL on Tue Nov 1 12:22:34 2022
    On Tuesday, 1 November 2022 at 08:45:19 UTC, AnthonyL wrote:
    Asking for a friend (my setup is simply LG + Topfield)

    <quote>I have a Humax satellite TV box that gives access to freesat
    stations and to a recorder. I actually watch these on a JVC smart TV.
    Until a year ago I used a Panasonic smartish TV. Both satellite box
    and TV have their own volume controls. Previously I could use either
    or both to control volume on all channels.

    Now, with the JVC TV, I can still do so for a few stations but for
    most the satellite box volume control is now ineffective, this being
    so also for recordings and iPlayer. I suspect something in the TV
    settings but these should have universal effect across all stations
    and sources. Why does the new TV accept volume control from the box
    for some channels but not others and was this not so with the previous TV?</quote>

    I'll relay any comments etc.

    --
    AnthonyL

    Why ever wait to finish a job before starting the next?

    I vaguely remember that this was a problem with Humax boxes when I used to install them in various institutions. The solution was simple but I can't remember exactly what it was. I just used to alter the setting of the audio from one thing to another and
    that fixed it but I can't remember the details. Can you remember Mark Carver? I think we discussed at the time.
    Bill

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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to AnthonyL on Tue Nov 1 20:32:23 2022
    On 01/11/2022 18:47, AnthonyL wrote:
    On Tue, 1 Nov 2022 08:55:19 -0700 (PDT), sintv <sinclairtv@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On a Humax freeview recorder the handset volume doesnt vary on the HD channels but SD is variable leading to a callout when customer had volume set at 0 so only some channels were producing sound.

    Is that the same for Freesat?


    It is on my satellite Enigma 2 receiver for Freesat HD channels.

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  • From R. Mark Clayton@21:1/5 to AnthonyL on Wed Nov 2 05:20:56 2022
    On Tuesday, 1 November 2022 at 14:57:01 UTC, AnthonyL wrote:
    SNIP

    More likely the box - look for a setting "output level" with optiobs of fixed or variable.

    And maybe HD channels have a fixed volume from a set top box, depending
    on the method of audio connection.


    Aren't all Satellite channels HD?

    Nope. SD channels are common and HD channels can be 720p or 1280i. There are also 4k channels, but most of these are subscription only.

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  • From AnthonyL@21:1/5 to notyalckram@gmail.com on Wed Nov 2 12:28:27 2022
    On Wed, 2 Nov 2022 05:20:56 -0700 (PDT), "R. Mark Clayton" <notyalckram@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, 1 November 2022 at 14:57:01 UTC, AnthonyL wrote:
    SNIP

    More likely the box - look for a setting "output level" with optiobs of fixed or variable.

    And maybe HD channels have a fixed volume from a set top box, depending
    on the method of audio connection.


    Aren't all Satellite channels HD?

    Nope. SD channels are common and HD channels can be 720p or 1280i. There are also 4k channels, but most of these are subscription only.


    My misunderstanding - having looked at the Freesat guide.

    My friend's issue of loss of control of sound from the new TV applies
    only to the HD channels. But whatever is suggested above presumably
    doesn't appear to me to explain why the old TV sound control worked on
    the same HD channels.

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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to AnthonyL on Wed Nov 2 20:46:55 2022
    On 02/11/2022 12:28, AnthonyL wrote:

    My friend's issue of loss of control of sound from the new TV applies
    only to the HD channels. But whatever is suggested above presumably
    doesn't appear to me to explain why the old TV sound control worked on
    the same HD channels.

    How is the audio being output? From the TV speakers? From a sound bar?
    From a AV amp?

    For instance, I have my satellite box connected to my TV for video only
    and the TV speakers are turned off. The satellite box is connected to an
    AV (surround sound) amplifier for audio. The volume control on my
    satellite box only works for SD channels and HD channels have a fixed
    volume output. Therefore, to adjust the volume for HD channels I have to
    use the volume control on the AV amp.

    I'm away from my system at the moment so I cannot confirm but maybe if
    the audio is down-mixed to stereo my satellite box volume control will
    then work on HD channels. I don't have by satellite box configured for down-mixed audio but pass the AC3 decoded signal to my AV amp unaltered.

    Is you friend now outputting the audio via a sound bar or AV amp whereas
    before he was using the TV speakers? If he is currently using a
    soundbar or AV amp then perhaps see if there is a TV menu option to
    down-mix the audio to stereo. In this mode he may then lose some
    surround sound capabilities provided by the broadcaster and decoded by a
    sound bar or AV amp.

    If he was previously using the (typically) two speakers in his TV then
    the TV may have automatically down-mixed any audio content to stereo or
    even mono.

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  • From Unsteadyken@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 3 03:54:00 2022
    In article <jsg39vF3oiU1@mid.individual.net>,

    alan_m says...

    I'm away from my system at the moment so I cannot confirm but maybe if
    the audio is down-mixed to stereo my satellite box volume control will
    then work on HD channels.

    That is how it works with my Manhattan Freesat box, enabling DD 5.1
    disables the boxes volume control on HD channels

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  • From AnthonyL@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 4 12:34:37 2022
    On Wed, 2 Nov 2022 20:46:55 +0000, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk>
    wrote:

    On 02/11/2022 12:28, AnthonyL wrote:

    My friend's issue of loss of control of sound from the new TV applies
    only to the HD channels. But whatever is suggested above presumably
    doesn't appear to me to explain why the old TV sound control worked on
    the same HD channels.

    How is the audio being output? From the TV speakers? From a sound bar?
    From a AV amp?

    For instance, I have my satellite box connected to my TV for video only
    and the TV speakers are turned off. The satellite box is connected to an
    AV (surround sound) amplifier for audio. The volume control on my
    satellite box only works for SD channels and HD channels have a fixed
    volume output. Therefore, to adjust the volume for HD channels I have to
    use the volume control on the AV amp.

    I'm away from my system at the moment so I cannot confirm but maybe if
    the audio is down-mixed to stereo my satellite box volume control will
    then work on HD channels. I don't have by satellite box configured for >down-mixed audio but pass the AC3 decoded signal to my AV amp unaltered.

    Is you friend now outputting the audio via a sound bar or AV amp whereas >before he was using the TV speakers? If he is currently using a
    soundbar or AV amp then perhaps see if there is a TV menu option to
    down-mix the audio to stereo. In this mode he may then lose some
    surround sound capabilities provided by the broadcaster and decoded by a >sound bar or AV amp.

    If he was previously using the (typically) two speakers in his TV then
    the TV may have automatically down-mixed any audio content to stereo or
    even mono.


    He has very little sophistication in his system. TV was replaced with
    another TV. HDMI from Humax to TV and sound via TV speakers.


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  • From AnthonyL@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 4 12:38:40 2022
    On Thu, 3 Nov 2022 03:54:00 -0000, Unsteadyken <unsteadyken@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    In article <jsg39vF3oiU1@mid.individual.net>,

    alan_m says...

    I'm away from my system at the moment so I cannot confirm but maybe if
    the audio is down-mixed to stereo my satellite box volume control will
    then work on HD channels.

    That is how it works with my Manhattan Freesat box, enabling DD 5.1
    disables the boxes volume control on HD channels


    I very much doubt that my friend will have knowingly altered any
    settings on the Humax, nor the default settings on the TV.

    He wasn't even aware some channels were HD and some not, just that the
    volume would work on some channels and not on others and when I
    pointed out which were the HD channels he was able to confirm they
    were the affected one.


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  • From R. Mark Clayton@21:1/5 to unste...@gmail.com on Fri Nov 4 06:57:42 2022
    On Thursday, 3 November 2022 at 03:54:04 UTC, unste...@gmail.com wrote:
    In article <jsg39v...@mid.individual.net>,

    alan_m says...
    I'm away from my system at the moment so I cannot confirm but maybe if
    the audio is down-mixed to stereo my satellite box volume control will
    then work on HD channels.

    That is how it works with my Manhattan Freesat box, enabling DD 5.1
    disables the boxes volume control on HD channels

    Well done Alan_m - I think you got it!

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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to AnthonyL on Sat Nov 5 11:13:15 2022
    On 04/11/2022 12:34, AnthonyL wrote:


    He has very little sophistication in his system. TV was replaced with another TV. HDMI from Humax to TV and sound via TV speakers.

    Was the method of connection changed from perhaps SCART to HDMI?

    Has he tried looking into the Humax menus for audio settings and
    selected a down-mix option?


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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 5 11:20:09 2022
    On 05/11/2022 11:13, alan_m wrote:
    On 04/11/2022 12:34, AnthonyL wrote:


    He has very little sophistication in his system.  TV was replaced with
    another TV.  HDMI from Humax to TV and sound via TV speakers.

    Was the method of connection changed from perhaps SCART to HDMI?

    Has he tried looking into the Humax menus for audio settings and
    selected a down-mix option?



    https://myhumax.org/forum/topic/volume-control-ineffective-on-hd-channels

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