• Sky / Freesat-from-Sky down?

    From Owain Lastname@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 24 13:55:56 2022
    Anyone having problems with Sky or Freesat-from-Sky?
    Two of my neighbours are. One is an old Sky HD Box with a free viewing card in, the other I don't know.
    Separate independent non-communal satellite dishes.
    I'm having no problems with true Freesat.
    Central Scotland area.

    Just seems unlikely to separate boxes/dishes would fail at the same time this morning and still off: no satellite signal received / no lock.

    No mention of problems with Sky on their status website.

    Owain

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  • From John Hall@21:1/5 to Owain Lastname on Tue Oct 25 10:12:36 2022
    In message <ebfafef3-db5d-4ebc-b0e6-72ad30d8324an@googlegroups.com>,
    Owain Lastname <spuorgelgoog@gowanhill.com> writes
    Anyone having problems with Sky or Freesat-from-Sky?
    Two of my neighbours are. One is an old Sky HD Box with a free viewing
    card in, the other I don't know.
    Separate independent non-communal satellite dishes.
    I'm having no problems with true Freesat.
    Central Scotland area.

    Just seems unlikely to separate boxes/dishes would fail at the same
    time this morning and still off: no satellite signal received / no
    lock.

    No mention of problems with Sky on their status website.

    Owain


    No problems with Sky here. (I'm located in Surrey.)
    --
    John Hall
    "Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
    But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
    Ogden Nash (1902-1971)

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  • From R. Mark Clayton@21:1/5 to Owain Lastname on Tue Oct 25 03:45:37 2022
    On Monday, 24 October 2022 at 21:55:57 UTC+1, Owain Lastname wrote:
    Anyone having problems with Sky or Freesat-from-Sky?
    Two of my neighbours are. One is an old Sky HD Box with a free viewing card in, the other I don't know.
    Separate independent non-communal satellite dishes.
    I'm having no problems with true Freesat.
    Central Scotland area.

    Just seems unlikely to separate boxes/dishes would fail at the same time this morning and still off: no satellite signal received / no lock.

    No mention of problems with Sky on their status website.

    Owain

    Very heavy rain meant we lost F24 briefly yesterday plus a few artefacts on BBC News 24.

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 25 12:27:57 2022
    On 25/10/2022 in message <d88c8036-fd47-42a6-8c55-7f917c5b6149n@googlegroups.com> R. Mark Clayton
    wrote:

    On Monday, 24 October 2022 at 21:55:57 UTC+1, Owain Lastname wrote:
    Anyone having problems with Sky or Freesat-from-Sky?
    Two of my neighbours are. One is an old Sky HD Box with a free viewing
    card in, the other I don't know.
    Separate independent non-communal satellite dishes.
    I'm having no problems with true Freesat.
    Central Scotland area.

    Just seems unlikely to separate boxes/dishes would fail at the same time >>this morning and still off: no satellite signal received / no lock.

    No mention of problems with Sky on their status website.

    Owain

    Very heavy rain meant we lost F24 briefly yesterday plus a few artefacts
    on BBC News 24.

    Same in Alderholt 2 days ago, lost signal completely, it was absolutely
    hissing down.

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    Tomorrow, isn't looking good either.

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  • From NY@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 25 13:19:36 2022
    "R. Mark Clayton" <notyalckram@gmail.com> wrote in message news:d88c8036-fd47-42a6-8c55-7f917c5b6149n@googlegroups.com...
    On Monday, 24 October 2022 at 21:55:57 UTC+1, Owain Lastname wrote:
    Anyone having problems with Sky or Freesat-from-Sky?
    Two of my neighbours are. One is an old Sky HD Box with a free viewing
    card in, the other I don't know.
    Separate independent non-communal satellite dishes.
    I'm having no problems with true Freesat.
    Central Scotland area.

    Just seems unlikely to separate boxes/dishes would fail at the same time
    this morning and still off: no satellite signal received / no lock.

    No mention of problems with Sky on their status website.

    Owain

    Very heavy rain meant we lost F24 briefly yesterday plus a few artefacts
    on BBC News 24.

    What's the weather like in the OP's area? Heavy rain and/or rain-bearing
    clouds nearby? My experience of satellite reception in general is that
    complete loss of lock is unheard-of; the worst I've had is frequent dropouts with usable reception in between. And that's rare: even in heavy rain I normally get almost glitch-free reception. For anything critical I do the
    old belt-and-braces: set the same programme to record both from satellite
    (poor in torrential rain) and terrestrial (poor at times of atmospheric
    lift), in the hope that one of the two will be OK.

    Are all the satellite multiplexes roughly the same received power, or are
    some more susceptible than others to weak-signal dropouts?

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Tue Oct 25 13:55:26 2022
    On 25/10/2022 13:27, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 25/10/2022 in message <d88c8036-fd47-42a6-8c55-7f917c5b6149n@googlegroups.com> R. Mark
    Clayton wrote:

    On Monday, 24 October 2022 at 21:55:57 UTC+1, Owain Lastname wrote:
    Anyone having problems with Sky or Freesat-from-Sky?
    Two of my neighbours are. One is an old Sky HD Box with a free
    viewing card in, the other I don't know.
    Separate independent non-communal satellite dishes.
    I'm having no problems with true Freesat.
    Central Scotland area.

    Just seems unlikely to separate boxes/dishes would fail at the same
    time this morning and still off: no satellite signal received / no
    lock.

    No mention of problems with Sky on their status website.

    Owain

    Very heavy rain meant we lost F24 briefly yesterday plus a few
    artefacts on BBC News 24.

    Same in Alderholt 2 days ago, lost signal completely, it was
    absolutely hissing down.

    Yes, same here on Sunday evening. However, it's only usually while the
    rain is in progress, and sometimes when a thundercloud is 'in the way'.
    If the loss of signal continues after thing clear then there are
    possibly other factors, such as water getting in the coax etc

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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 25 16:54:28 2022
    I'm wondering if the rain and indeed in some places wind is the underlying cause, dishes moved, then got water up its coax connection?

    I have had to bring in my outdoor thermometer, supposedly waterproof which
    got full of water that night aand dried it off indoors and had to fit new batteries.
    Sounds to me like its at the receiving end.
    Brian

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    "R. Mark Clayton" <notyalckram@gmail.com> wrote in message news:d88c8036-fd47-42a6-8c55-7f917c5b6149n@googlegroups.com...
    On Monday, 24 October 2022 at 21:55:57 UTC+1, Owain Lastname wrote:
    Anyone having problems with Sky or Freesat-from-Sky?
    Two of my neighbours are. One is an old Sky HD Box with a free viewing
    card in, the other I don't know.
    Separate independent non-communal satellite dishes.
    I'm having no problems with true Freesat.
    Central Scotland area.

    Just seems unlikely to separate boxes/dishes would fail at the same time
    this morning and still off: no satellite signal received / no lock.

    No mention of problems with Sky on their status website.

    Owain

    Very heavy rain meant we lost F24 briefly yesterday plus a few artefacts
    on BBC News 24.

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  • From R. Mark Clayton@21:1/5 to Brian Gaff on Tue Oct 25 09:11:20 2022
    On Tuesday, 25 October 2022 at 16:54:32 UTC+1, Brian Gaff wrote:
    I'm wondering if the rain and indeed in some places wind is the underlying cause, dishes moved, then got water up its coax connection?

    I have had to bring in my outdoor thermometer, supposedly waterproof which got full of water that night aand dried it off indoors and had to fit new batteries.
    Sounds to me like its at the receiving end.
    Brian

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    "R. Mark Clayton" <notya...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:d88c8036-fd47-42a6...@googlegroups.com...
    On Monday, 24 October 2022 at 21:55:57 UTC+1, Owain Lastname wrote:
    Anyone having problems with Sky or Freesat-from-Sky?
    Two of my neighbours are. One is an old Sky HD Box with a free viewing
    card in, the other I don't know.
    Separate independent non-communal satellite dishes.
    I'm having no problems with true Freesat.
    Central Scotland area.

    Just seems unlikely to separate boxes/dishes would fail at the same time >> this morning and still off: no satellite signal received / no lock.

    No mention of problems with Sky on their status website.

    Owain

    Very heavy rain meant we lost F24 briefly yesterday plus a few artefacts
    on BBC News 24.

    Well I have had an LNB fail through water ingress, but not for a couple of minutes during a cloudburst.

    A more trick "fault" was poor reception, which mysteriously went away intermittently on a very windy day. Eventually I realised we needed to top the trees that over several years had grown up in the dish's "line of sight" to the satellite. Problem
    cured.

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  • From Owain Lastname@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 25 09:59:57 2022
    On Tuesday, 25 October 2022 at 13:19:36 UTC+1, NY wrote:
    What's the weather like in the OP's area? Heavy rain and/or rain-bearing clouds nearby? My experience of satellite reception in general is that complete loss of lock is unheard-of

    OK I think, and I know my Freesat was uninterrupted.

    Apparently Sky-freesat came back about midnight last night.

    Owain

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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Wed Oct 26 09:16:39 2022
    On 25/10/2022 13:55, Mark Carver wrote:

    Yes, same here on Sunday evening. However, it's only usually while the
    rain is in progress, and sometimes when a thundercloud is 'in the way'.
    If the loss of signal continues after thing clear then there are
    possibly other factors, such as water getting in the coax etc


    I've only knowingly experienced loss of satellite signal twice in as
    many years due to rain. In one case the rain was so heavy that it was
    around 2 inches deep running down the local road. The outages only
    lasted around 10 minutes. I do however have a larger zone 2 "sky" type mini-dish in a zone 1 area.
    I've seen a lot more distribution of reception due to weather conditions
    on terrestrial via the aerial.

    Last year I had a partial failure of a LNB due to the ingress of water.
    On examination of the LNB the plastic covering the horn had become
    brittle and had disintegrated, about quarter of it had fallen off. The
    LNB was around 15 years old and in full sunlight (when available) until
    around midday.

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 26 14:04:34 2022
    On 26/10/2022 09:16, alan_m wrote:
    On 25/10/2022 13:55, Mark Carver wrote:

    Yes, same here on Sunday evening. However, it's only usually while
    the rain is in progress, and sometimes when a thundercloud is 'in the
    way'. If the loss of signal continues after thing clear then there
    are possibly other factors, such as water getting in the coax etc


    I've only knowingly experienced loss of satellite signal twice in as
    many years due to rain. In one case the rain was so heavy that it was
    around 2 inches deep running down the local road. The outages only
    lasted around 10 minutes. I do however have a larger zone 2 "sky" type mini-dish in a zone 1 area.
    I've seen a lot more distribution of reception due to weather
    conditions on terrestrial via the aerial.

    Last year I had a partial failure of a LNB due to the ingress of
    water. On examination of the LNB the plastic covering the horn had
    become brittle and had disintegrated, about quarter of it had fallen
    off. The LNB was around 15 years old and in full sunlight (when
    available) until around midday.

    I've rarely taken note whether or not my satellite signal dies during torrential+ rain, because I find myself watching the spectacle, rather
    than putting the telly on.

    Of course it's not just the downlink that can be wiped out, the uplink
    can be too. I've visited Sky's primary uplink site, they keep a close
    look out for heavy rain, and poise themselves to switch everything to a secondary site about 20 miles away (and hope both locations don't get
    the downpour at the same time !)

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  • From Jim Lesurf@21:1/5 to junk@admac.myzen.co.uk on Wed Oct 26 10:31:13 2022
    In article <jrs8n6Fk0ncU1@mid.individual.net>, alan_m
    <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    've only knowingly experienced loss of satellite signal twice in as
    many years due to rain. In one case the rain was so heavy that it was
    around 2 inches deep running down the local road.

    Last week we had a downpour with rather more 'difficult' effect.

    The rain was so heavy that, combined with leaves from the roof, it caused
    our downstairs loo to back up. Did this during the night. Left quite a mess
    in the bathroom and I'm now trying to get the carpet changed.

    Neighbour did help with shifting the blockage, but I'm still wary as we had another downpour last night. Fortunately, no ill effects, but... Getting a 'ball' cage fitted to the top of the gutter downpipe. Can at least try and
    stop more leaves, etc, getting washed down it in future.

    Particularly unwelcome at present because, the week before, my wife fell
    down the stairs. At first we were worried about a neck fracture. 999 and
    the paramedic, etc, ageed. So she spent 24+ hours in hospital. Scan, etc.
    No fracture it seems, but lots of bad sprains and bruises. Brought her home
    by ambulance as they gave her a couple of Zimmers.

    Thank heaven for helpful neighbours.

    Jim

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Jim Lesurf on Wed Oct 26 15:53:59 2022
    Jim Lesurf wrote:

    we had another downpour last night. Fortunately, no ill effects, but... Getting a 'ball' cage fitted to the top of the gutter downpipe. Can at least try and stop more leaves, etc, getting washed down it in future.

    They tend to cause clogs at the top, rather than bottom of the downpipe, then the gutter overflows ...

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  • From Jim Lesurf@21:1/5 to usenet@andyburns.uk on Thu Oct 27 10:33:55 2022
    In article <jrt009F10jsU2@mid.individual.net>, Andy Burns
    <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

    Jim Lesurf wrote:

    we had another downpour last night. Fortunately, no ill effects,
    but... Getting a 'ball' cage fitted to the top of the gutter downpipe.
    Can at least try and stop more leaves, etc, getting washed down it in future.

    They tend to cause clogs at the top, rather than bottom of the downpipe,
    then the gutter overflows ...

    I'd prefer that to having the muck all over the carpet, and then having to change the carpet!

    Indeed, I'm now also concerned that the recently installed underfloor insulation might have prevented some of the wet muck that might have gone though the floor from escaping. Having the wood remain in contact with that muck wouldn't do it any good. :-/

    Jim

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  • From NY@21:1/5 to Jim Lesurf on Fri Oct 28 09:58:50 2022
    "Jim Lesurf" <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote in message news:5a3de0dd30noise@audiomisc.co.uk...
    we had another downpour last night. Fortunately, no ill effects,
    but... Getting a 'ball' cage fitted to the top of the gutter downpipe.
    Can at least try and stop more leaves, etc, getting washed down it in
    future.

    They tend to cause clogs at the top, rather than bottom of the downpipe,
    then the gutter overflows ...

    I'd prefer that to having the muck all over the carpet, and then having to change the carpet!

    That reminds me of the annual task when we or my parents visited their
    holiday cottage in Yorkshire in the spring: to remove the leaves that had
    built up in the gutters/downpipes over the autumn. Usually this task had to
    be done in the pouring rain, and often required the downpipes to be removed
    so a rigid hosepipe could be used to ram the leaves out of the pipe -
    because a wire "cage" at the top always lets leaves through (or blows away
    at some point!). But that is preferable to the similar task for the bath wastepipe which usually freezes up over the winter: we once arrived at the cottage to spend Christmas there, and found the living room carpet soaking
    wet because the bath tap had been dripping, the wastepipe had gradually
    frozen up, and the bath was now very slowly overflowing and dripping through the bathroom floor into the lounge. That was a long job to remove the
    wastepipe from the outside wall and try to persuade the ice to melt or to
    ram it through - about six feet of ice in the pipe...

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  • From Java Jive@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 28 12:52:36 2022
    On 28/10/2022 09:58, NY wrote:

    But that is preferable to the similar
    task for the bath wastepipe which usually freezes up over the winter: we
    once arrived at the cottage to spend Christmas there, and found the
    living room carpet soaking wet because the bath tap had been dripping,
    the wastepipe had gradually frozen up, and the bath was now very slowly overflowing and dripping through the bathroom floor into the lounge.
    That was a long job to remove the wastepipe from the outside wall and
    try to persuade the ice to melt or to ram it through - about six feet of
    ice in the pipe...

    I spent the famous, or infamous, winter of '62/3 in my parent's house in Gloucestershire, and there was a similar problem every day throughout
    that entire winter with the exterior cast-iron waste-pipe freezing up.
    I had to clamber up a ladder with a kettle to pour hot water over it
    before going to the toilet in the morning. Thereafter, it usually
    remained free for the rest of the day, but by next morning it would be
    frozen up again.

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  • From NY@21:1/5 to Java Jive on Fri Oct 28 14:15:16 2022
    "Java Jive" <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote in message news:tjgfq9$331dv$1@dont-email.me...
    On 28/10/2022 09:58, NY wrote:

    But that is preferable to the similar task for the bath wastepipe which
    usually freezes up over the winter: we once arrived at the cottage to
    spend Christmas there, and found the living room carpet soaking wet
    because the bath tap had been dripping, the wastepipe had gradually
    frozen up, and the bath was now very slowly overflowing and dripping
    through the bathroom floor into the lounge. That was a long job to remove
    the wastepipe from the outside wall and try to persuade the ice to melt
    or to ram it through - about six feet of ice in the pipe...

    I spent the famous, or infamous, winter of '62/3 in my parent's house in Gloucestershire, and there was a similar problem every day throughout that entire winter with the exterior cast-iron waste-pipe freezing up. I had to clamber up a ladder with a kettle to pour hot water over it before going
    to the toilet in the morning. Thereafter, it usually remained free for
    the rest of the day, but by next morning it would be frozen up again.

    I spent the famous, or infamous, winter of '62/3 in my mummy's tummy ;-)
    She said she was petrified of slipping and falling in the ice for those last few months before I was born.


    Cast iron drain pipes may be bloody heavy if you have to remove them to rod
    the ice through but at least cast iron is more conductive to heat, so
    kettles of boiling water poured down the outside are more likely to melt the ice than through modern plastic pipes.

    We lived at the cottage in Yorkshire for a year between selling our old
    house and finding/buying our present house. The pipes didn't freeze up, although the kitchen sink pipe did freeze once because a support bracket had broken which allowed a long length of pipe, nominally at 45 degrees, to sag
    in the middle which allowed water to collect and freeze. I eventually solved the bathroom pipe, which started to run away very slowly even when there was
    no ice. It turned out that there was a blockage further "downstream" which allowed water to back up and collect in the pipe. Most of the year, the flow was restricted; in the winter it was able to freeze. It took a long time to
    rod the pipes to clear all the sand/earth that has somehow got into that
    pipe, but the plumber we eventually called out had a very long pipe-bending spring which was rigid enough to dislodge the blockage, flexible enough to
    go round bends and even a right-angle joint, and long enough to reach the blockage. There was an almighty slurping noise and huge "logs" of compressed sandy/hairy conglomerate shot out of the pipe into the underground
    inspection chamber. There hasn't been a problem since. The pipes I'd removed and cleared previously had been the ice blockage, but not the root cause of that ice being able to form.

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  • From Java Jive@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 28 15:28:05 2022
    On 28/10/2022 14:15, NY wrote:

    "Java Jive" <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote in message

    I spent the famous, or infamous, winter of '62/3 in my parent's house
    in Gloucestershire, and there was a similar problem every day
    throughout that entire winter with the exterior cast-iron waste-pipe
    freezing up. I had to clamber up a ladder with a kettle to pour hot
    water over it before going to the toilet in the morning.  Thereafter,
    it usually remained free for the rest of the day, but by next morning
    it would be frozen up again.

    I spent the famous, or infamous, winter of '62/3 in my mummy's tummy ;-)
    She said she was petrified of slipping and falling in the ice for those
    last few months before I was born.

    Mummy's tummy? That were bloody luxury! [etc, etc, ...]

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 28 15:28:48 2022
    On 28/10/2022 09:58, NY wrote:
    That reminds me of the annual task when we or my parents visited their holiday cottage in Yorkshire in the spring: to remove the leaves that had built up in the gutters/downpipes over the autumn.



    A friend had a cottage several miles down Loch Ericht, no elecricity, no
    sewer connection and no mains water. His water came from a stream
    outside, every time he went up to stay there he would have a walk up the
    hill to check no dead deer, sheep etc in the stream.

    Hikers sometimes would stop and ask to fill their water bottle because
    it was the last cottage for many miles. They could not understand that
    the water from his tap was the same as that running past the cottage!

    You also had drive across the main railway line to get there, ringing up
    on the telephone by the gate to check no trains due.

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