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On Friday, 23 September 2022 at 18:51:46 UTC+1, NY wrote:
"Mark Carver" <mark....@invalid.invalid> wrote in messageYes, Sky are going to be known as 'Land' from next year.
news:jp5v8t...@mid.individual.net...
https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2022/09/sky-uk-reportedly-plan-to-end-satellite-tv-dish-installs-in-2023.htmlWill Sky change their name if people are no longer receiving their
broadcasts from a satellite up in the sky>? ;-)
"Mark Carver" <mark....@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:jp5v8t...@mid.individual.net...
https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2022/09/sky-uk-reportedly-plan-to-end-satellite-tv-dish-installs-in-2023.html
Will Sky change their name if people are no longer receiving their
broadcasts from a satellite up in the sky>? ;-)
In article <jp5v8tFep16U3@mid.individual.net>,
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2022/09/sky-uk-reportedly-plan-to-end-satellite-tv-dish-installs-in-2023.html
Internet streaming has the great advantage - from the commercial
providers' point of view - that they can make it very difficult to
record programs and skip over the advertisements.
I have a pathological loathing of being advertised at whether it's
in magazines, people knocking on the door (yes, Jehova's Witnesses, I'm talking to you) or on TV, and I try my damndest to avoid adverts. To my mind, adverts are something that you look at only if you want a product, and not something you want rammed down your throat when you aren't thinking of buying. I have a very bad memory for brands: I remember "it was an advert for frozen chips or a building society or whatever" but if I *was* persuaded to buy anything, it could easily turn out to be a competitor's brand, which probably isn't what they want ;-)
For me, those the biggest reasons for keeping terrestrial and satellite >reception: that I can keep recordings, watch them in my own player (eg VLC
on a PC) and edit out the commercials. They definitely wouldn't like people >like me. I have a pathological loathing of being advertised at whether it's >in magazines, people knocking on the door (yes, Jehova's Witnesses, I'm >talking to you) or on TV, and I try my damndest to avoid adverts.
Some adverts cause me to avoid the product. If an advert appears to be aimed exclusively at black people I assume they don't want my business. If an advert features a mixed race couple I assume that I am being brainwashed into acceptingmulticulturalism so I don't buy the product. If an advert is in any way woke I don't buy the product.
Some adverts cause me to avoid the product. If an advert appears to
be aimed exclusively at black people I assume they don't want my
business. If an advert features a mixed race couple I assume that I
am being brainwashed into accepting multiculturalism so I don't buy
the product. If an advert is in any way woke I don't buy the
product.
"Richard Tobin" <richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message >news:tgkvr4$11il$1@macpro.inf.ed.ac.uk...
In article <jp5v8tFep16U3@mid.individual.net>,
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2022/09/sky-uk-reportedly-plan-to-end-satellite-tv-dish-installs-in-2023.html
Internet streaming has the great advantage - from the commercial
providers' point of view - that they can make it very difficult to
record programs and skip over the advertisements.
For me, those the biggest reasons for keeping terrestrial and satellite >reception: that I can keep recordings, watch them in my own player (eg VLC
on a PC) and edit out the commercials. They definitely wouldn't like people >like me. I have a pathological loathing of being advertised at whether it's >in magazines, people knocking on the door (yes, Jehova's Witnesses, I'm >talking to you) or on TV, and I try my damndest to avoid adverts. To my
mind, adverts are something that you look at only if you want a product, and >not something you want rammed down your throat when you aren't thinking of >buying. I have a very bad memory for brands: I remember "it was an advert
for frozen chips or a building society or whatever" but if I *was* persuaded >to buy anything, it could easily turn out to be a competitor's brand, which >probably isn't what they want ;-)
I generally FF to the titles and almost automatically hit the
"skip" button when I hear "Coming up...", "Later..." or "Next
we...". (1) The amount of time saved is considerable. Even
Antiques Roadshow and Repair Shop have been tweaked to insert
spoilers at the beginning.
On the other hand, it's usually possible to pay to see things without adverts. Although it would be nice to watch everything for free, it
can't be argued that it's unreasonable to pay forthings that you want,
and all the paid subscription services I'm aware of so far are
significantly cheaper than the BBC licence, the days of which, as far
as I'm concerned, are numbered.
On 23/09/2022 19:20, wrightsaerials@aol.com wrote:
On Friday, 23 September 2022 at 18:51:46 UTC+1, NY wrote:I learn from other quarters that BT Openreach have now agreed (after
"Mark Carver" <mark....@invalid.invalid> wrote in messageYes, Sky are going to be known as 'Land' from next year.
news:jp5v8t...@mid.individual.net...
https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2022/09/sky-uk-reportedly-plan-to-end-satellite-tv-dish-installs-in-2023.htmlWill Sky change their name if people are no longer receiving their
broadcasts from a satellite up in the sky>? ;-)
some trials) that Sky installers can install domestic FTTP services
(where Sky are the ISP of course)
It will affect Freesat in the long term, because there will be a point
when the number of 'Sky' users of Astra 28E will make the use of the >transponder uneconomic for the FTA broadcasters. It'll take a while to
reach that point though.
On Fri, 23 Sep 2022 22:12:39 +0100, "NY" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
"Richard Tobin" <richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message >>news:tgkvr4$11il$1@macpro.inf.ed.ac.uk...
In article <jp5v8tFep16U3@mid.individual.net>,
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2022/09/sky-uk-reportedly-plan-to-end-satellite-tv-dish-installs-in-2023.html
Internet streaming has the great advantage - from the commercial
providers' point of view - that they can make it very difficult to
record programs and skip over the advertisements.
For me, those the biggest reasons for keeping terrestrial and satellite >>reception: that I can keep recordings, watch them in my own player (eg VLC >>on a PC) and edit out the commercials. They definitely wouldn't like people >>like me. I have a pathological loathing of being advertised at whether it's >>in magazines, people knocking on the door (yes, Jehova's Witnesses, I'm >>talking to you) or on TV, and I try my damndest to avoid adverts. To my >>mind, adverts are something that you look at only if you want a product, and >>not something you want rammed down your throat when you aren't thinking of >>buying. I have a very bad memory for brands: I remember "it was an advert >>for frozen chips or a building society or whatever" but if I *was* persuaded >>to buy anything, it could easily turn out to be a competitor's brand, which >>probably isn't what they want ;-)
On the other hand, it's usually possible to pay to see things without >adverts. Although it would be nice to watch everything for free, it
can't be argued that it's unreasonable to pay forthings that you want,
and all the paid subscription services I'm aware of so far are
significantly cheaper than the BBC licence, the days of which, as far
as I'm concerned, are numbered.
On 24/09/2022 09:16, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On the other hand, it's usually possible to pay to see things without
adverts. Although it would be nice to watch everything for free, it
can't be argued that it's unreasonable to pay forthings that you want,
and all the paid subscription services I'm aware of so far are
significantly cheaper than the BBC licence, the days of which, as far
as I'm concerned, are numbered.
Perhaps if you compare on a programme by programme basis but I doubt
they are cheaper if you allow for the range supplied by the BBC
(including radio etc).
NY wrote:
For me, those the biggest reasons for keeping terrestrial and satellite >>reception: that I can keep recordings, watch them in my own player (eg VLC >>on a PC) and edit out the commercials. They definitely wouldn't like people >>like me. I have a pathological loathing of being advertised at whether it's >>in magazines, people knocking on the door (yes, Jehova's Witnesses, I'm >>talking to you) or on TV, and I try my damndest to avoid adverts.
I don't go as far as editing, but watch practically everything
from my PVR, I hardly watch anything live. I don't want
prefiguring and recaps, trailers or adverts.
I generally FF to the titles and almost automatically hit the
"skip" button when I hear "Coming up...", "Later..." or "Next
we...". (1) The amount of time saved is considerable. Even
Antiques Roadshow and Repair Shop have been tweaked to insert
spoilers at the beginning.
Similarly, I generally manage to ignore adverts in printed
material, or on billboards. So much so that when some comedic
reference is made to an advertising theme, it goes right over my
head.
(1) Channel 5, however, often catches me out as it seem to simply
crash crudely out of the programme, sometimes feeling as if it
was in mid sentence, then try to get me to enter a competition.
:-(
people knocking on the door (yes, Jehova's Witnesses, I'm
talking to you)
In article <tgl7go$2m3r8$1@dont-email.me>, NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
people knocking on the door (yes, Jehova's Witnesses, I'm
talking to you)
Telling them "I'm with Chemosh" usually works.
On 24/09/2022 09:16, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On the other hand, it's usually possible to pay to see things without
adverts. Although it would be nice to watch everything for free, it
can't be argued that it's unreasonable to pay forthings that you want,
and all the paid subscription services I'm aware of so far are
significantly cheaper than the BBC licence, the days of which, as far
as I'm concerned, are numbered.
Perhaps if you compare on a programme by programme basis but I doubt
they are cheaper if you allow for the range supplied by the BBC
(including radio etc).
"Richard Tobin" <ric...@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message news:tgmkt4$1uf3$1...@macpro.inf.ed.ac.uk...Here in Yorkshire we have a simple way of getting rid of them. We say "Bugger off!" and slam the door in their faces. Rational discussion and social subtlety have no place here.
In article <tgl7go$2m3r8$1...@dont-email.me>, NY <m...@privacy.invalid> wrote:
people knocking on the door (yes, Jehova's Witnesses, I'm
talking to you)
Telling them "I'm with Chemosh" usually works.I don't let them get into their religious spiel. If I detect waffle and failure to come to the point (eg leading with a bizarre irrelevant
question), I interrupt and ask directly "Are you representing a religious organisation?". If they say yes I say something like "In that case, keep quiet about it and don't bother people who aren't". I am very tolerant of people who have different views to me - eg who are religious of any type -
as long as they don't try to foist those beliefs on me and make me feel that they are in some way "better" than me. They are *different*, not better or worse.
In article <tgl7go$2m3r8$1@dont-email.me>, NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
people knocking on the door (yes, Jehova's Witnesses, I'm
talking to you)
Telling them "I'm with Chemosh" usually works.
-- Richard
"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:jp5v8tFep16U3@mid.individual.net...
https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2022/09/sky-uk-reportedly-plan-to-end-satellite-tv-dish-installs-in-2023.html
Will Sky change their name if people are no longer receiving their
broadcasts from a satellite up in the sky>? ;-)
I presume this is a Sky-only thing and will only affect Sky-specific channels, and the Freesat will continue as a broadcast medium for many
years yet?
"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:jp5v8tFep16U3@mid.individual.net...
https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2022/09/sky-uk-reportedly-plan-to-end-satellite-tv-dish-installs-in-2023.html
Will Sky change their name if people are no longer receiving their
broadcasts from a satellite up in the sky>? ;-)
I presume this is a Sky-only thing and will only affect Sky-specific channels, and the Freesat will continue as a broadcast medium for many
years yet?
On Friday, 23 September 2022 at 18:51:46 UTC+1, NY wrote:
"Mark Carver" <mark....@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2022/09/sky-uk-reportedly-plan-to-end-satellite-tv-dish-installs-in-2023.html
Will Sky change their name if people are no longer receiving their
broadcasts from a satellite up in the sky>? ;-)
Yes, Sky are going to be known as 'Land' from next year.
Bill
On 23/09/2022 18:51, NY wrote:
"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2022/09/sky-uk-reportedly-plan-to-end-satellite-tv-dish-installs-in-2023.html
Will Sky change their name if people are no longer receiving their
broadcasts from a satellite up in the sky>? ;-)
I presume this is a Sky-only thing and will only affect Sky-specific
channels, and the Freesat will continue as a broadcast medium for many
years yet?
it would be very convenient if for terrestrial channels you could avoid connecting your tv to the aerial socket and instead receive them via broadband - as simple as 1 gets you bbc 1, 2 bbc 2 etc etc.
https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2022/09/sky-uk-reportedly-plan-to-end-satellite-tv-dish-installs-in-2023.html
On 25/09/2022 10:54, Brian Gaff wrote:?
Probably more likely Sky Underground.What does the T in DTT stand for?
--
Max Demian
https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2022/09/sky-uk-reportedly-plan-to-end-satellite-tv-dish-installs-in-2023.html
Probably more likely Sky Underground.
I did also wonder if Freesat and indeed Freeview might go completely online, >which as I and others have said is a huge mistake as it gives a single point >of failure for all communications.
Brian
If you watch TV online it makes much more sense to watch things when
you want to watch them than in accordance with somebody else's
timetable, but I understand that 'live' TV streams of broadcasts
(meaning concurrent with the equivalent broadcasts) are available
online if you can be bothered to look for them.
Most of my TV viewing has been online for several years now, and 100%
of it has been online since the beginning of this year, and it hasn't
failed yet. Your mileage may vary, as they say, but if something works
for you, it seems silly not to use it.
Mark Carver wrote:
https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2022/09/sky-uk-reportedly-plan-to-end-satellite-tv-dish-installs-in-2023.html
Sky are denying it
<https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2022/09/sky-uk-reportedly-plan-to-end-satellite-tv-dish-installs-in-2023.html>
I did also wonder if Freesat and indeed Freeview might go completely online, which as I and others have said is a huge mistake as it gives a single point of failure for all communications.
Brian
Mark Carver wrote:
https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2022/09/sky-uk-reportedly-plan-to-end-satellite-tv-dish-installs-in-2023.html
Sky are denying it
<https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2022/09/sky-uk-reportedly-plan-to-end-satellite-tv-dish-installs-in-2023.html>
On 25/09/2022 13:01, Andy Burns wrote:
Mark Carver wrote:
https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2022/09/sky-uk-reportedly-plan-to-end-satellite-tv-dish-installs-in-2023.html
Sky are denying it
<https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2022/09/sky-uk-reportedly-plan-to-end-satellite-tv-dish-installs-in-2023.html>
And a day later announce this
https://www.skygroup.sky/article/sky-stream-the-new-easy-way-to-get-sky
Bit of a misunderstanding of the internet here. Originally Arpanet developed by the US DoD it is designed to be able to withstand and continue operating after a nuclear exchange.
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 11:00:35 +0100, "Brian Gaff"
<brian...@gmail.com> wrote:
It would instead great if freesat was the norm, not freeview, and that the >internet was there as well. At the moment the telecoms companies want the >reast of freeview frequencies and would pay the gov a lot to lease them, >meaning that the sat version might grow. I would imagine though that the >difficult part would be when you need to replace the sat. Who would pay for >it? Who pays for the hardware Freeview?It would not be great at all - not everyone can use a satellite dish;
Brian
not everyone has free broadband.
--
Dave W
On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 11:00:35 +0100, "Brian Gaff"
<brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:
It would instead great if freesat was the norm, not freeview, and that the >> internet was there as well. At the moment the telecoms companies want the
reast of freeview frequencies and would pay the gov a lot to lease them,
meaning that the sat version might grow. I would imagine though that the
difficult part would be when you need to replace the sat. Who would pay for >> it? Who pays for the hardware Freeview?
Brian
It would not be great at all - not everyone can use a satellite dish;
not everyone has free broadband.
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