All four of their channels have been showing identical non-stop coverage
of the Queen's funeral, and will be doing so till late into the evening.
Yes, it's a momentous occasion, but surely one channel would have been enough.
All four of their channels have been showing identical non-stop coverage
of the Queen's funeral, and will be doing so till late into the evening.
Yes, it's a momentous occasion, but surely one channel would have been enough.
All four of their channels have been showing identical non-stop coverage
of the Queen's funeral, and will be doing so till late into the evening.
Yes, it's a momentous occasion, but surely one channel would have been enough.
All four of their channels have been showing identical non-stop coverage
of the Queen's funeral, and will be doing so till late into the evening.
Yes, it's a momentous occasion, but surely one channel would have been enough.
On 19/09/2022 17:53, John Hall wrote:
All four of their channels have been showing identical non-stop
coverage of the Queen's funeral, and will be doing so till late into
the evening. Yes, it's a momentous occasion, but surely one channel
would have been enough.
possibly future invitations to the Palace and honours
On 19/09/2022 17:53, John Hall wrote:
All four of their channels have been showing identical non-stop
coverage of the Queen's funeral, and will be doing so till late into
the evening. Yes, it's a momentous occasion, but surely one channel
would have been enough.
I believe that decision was made years ago.
On 19/09/2022 17:53, John Hall wrote:
All four of their channels have been showing identical non-stop coverage
of the Queen's funeral, and will be doing so till late into the evening.
Yes, it's a momentous occasion, but surely one channel would have been
enough.
When the viewing figures are published, you will probably find that
most people watched the coverage on BBC so ITV could have switched off
for the day and few would have noticed but obviously they would never
do that.
All four of their channels have been showing identical non-stop coverage
of the Queen's funeral, and will be doing so till late into the evening.
Yes, it's a momentous occasion, but surely one channel would have been >enough.
On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 17:53:30 +0100, John Hall
<john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
All four of their channels have been showing identical non-stop coverage
of the Queen's funeral, and will be doing so till late into the evening. >>Yes, it's a momentous occasion, but surely one channel would have been >>enough.
No ad revenue so saving costs.
I believe that decision was made years ago.
In message <7odhih11i58ofu39d9bufj60rgsd1rakqo@4ax.com>, Peter Johnson <peter@parksidewood.nospam> writes
On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 17:53:30 +0100, John Hall
<john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
All four of their channels have been showing identical non-stop coverage >>>of the Queen's funeral, and will be doing so till late into the evening. >>>Yes, it's a momentous occasion, but surely one channel would have been >>>enough.
No ad revenue so saving costs.
Good point.
In message <ec44f590-f913-c11d-395d-3fee2883d1ee@outlook.com>, Robin <rbw@outlook.com> writes
On 19/09/2022 17:53, John Hall wrote:
All four of their channels have been showing identical non-stop
coverage of the Queen's funeral, and will be doing so till late into
the evening. Yes, it's a momentous occasion, but surely one channel
would have been enough.
possibly future invitations to the Palace and honours
I very much doubt that the Palace cares or is even aware of it. I think
ITV is terrified of being criticised by the self-righteous section of
the media and people on twitter for allegedly doing the wrong thing.
On 19/09/2022 17:53, John Hall wrote:
All four of their channels have been showing identical non-stop coverage
of the Queen's funeral, and will be doing so till late into the evening.
Yes, it's a momentous occasion, but surely one channel would have been
enough.
Same for BBC radio!
In message <ec44f590-f913-c11d-395d-3fee2883d1ee@outlook.com>, Robin <rbw@outlook.com> writes
On 19/09/2022 17:53, John Hall wrote:
All four of their channels have been showing identical non-stop coverage >>> of the Queen's funeral, and will be doing so till late into the evening. >>> Yes, it's a momentous occasion, but surely one channel would have been
enough.
possibly future invitations to the Palace and honours
I very much doubt that the Palace cares or is even aware of it. I think
ITV is terrified of being criticised by the self-righteous section of the media and people on twitter for allegedly doing the wrong thing.
--
John Hall
"Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
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All four of their channels have been showing identical non-stop coverage
of the Queen's funeral, and will be doing so till late into the evening.
Yes, it's a momentous occasion, but surely one channel would have been enough.
--
John Hall
"Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
Ogden Nash (1902-1971)
Yes, Pick had no commercials but had long silent gaps where they should
have been, Most of the UK TV channels had a kind of weird mix of some commercials and trails and long periods of a classical piece. One assumes showing some queen related silent footage?
Some shopping channels said they had their programs but were completely silent. Some of the online offerings like Pluto tv and their ilk seemed to have business as usual. Brian
Drama were showing a picture of the Queen, with a caption and her dates. The picture zoomed very slightly in and then very slightly out, with a cycle
time of a few seconds.
There seems to be a misguided belief that it is better to show*nothing* rather than scheduled programmes, as a mark of respect. I regard that approach as highly insulting: if they've got something relevant to show (footage of the funeral) then show it, but if they haven't then carry on as normal. In other words, only interrupt normal programmes for*something*,
not for*nothing*.
BBC made a good choice in having BBC1 with commentary and subtitles, and
BBC2 as a simulcast with in-vision signing.
I notice that BBC and ITV were carrying identical pictures, presumably from
a shared, pooled set of cameras. In the past at live events, they often each had their own sets of cameras, duplicating the number of camera positions
and the amount of cabling / network bandwidth needed.
It must make it very difficult for the presenters/director though, because the director can't say to the presenter (over his earpiece) "I'm about to show a shot of X, so think of something to say about it". Instead the presenter has to see what shot appears,*then* think of something relevant, and by the time he's started to speak, the camera feed is showing something else. Or does the director of the pooled feed keep up a commentary that the presenters of BBC, ITV etc can hear so they know what's coming next?
All four of their channels have been showing identical non-stop
coverage of the Queen's funeral, and will be doing so till late into
the evening. Yes, it's a momentous occasion, but surely one channel
would have been enough.
On 19/09/2022 at 19:31, John Hall wrote:
In message <ec44f590-f913-c11d-395d-3fee2883d1ee@outlook.com>, Robin
<rbw@outlook.com> writes
On 19/09/2022 17:53, John Hall wrote:I very much doubt that the Palace cares or is even aware of it. I
All four of their channels have been showing identical non-stop
coverage of the Queen's funeral, and will be doing so till late into
the evening. Yes, it's a momentous occasion, but surely one channel
would have been enough.
possibly future invitations to the Palace and honours
think
ITV is terrified of being criticised by the self-righteous section of
the media and people on twitter for allegedly doing the wrong thing.
I think you are right. Equally, BBC would be afraid of the government >BBC-bashers
On 19/09/2022 17:53, John Hall wrote:
All four of their channels have been showing identical non-stop
coverage of the Queen's funeral, and will be doing so till late into
the evening. Yes, it's a momentous occasion, but surely one channel
would have been enough.
What fabulously compelling programme do you normally watch, and would
have watched on ITV 2, 3 or 4 on a Monday evening ?
I notice that BBC and ITV were carrying identical pictures, presumably
from a shared, pooled set of cameras. In the past at live events, they
often each had their own sets of cameras, duplicating the number of
camera positions and the amount of cabling / network bandwidth needed.
On 19/09/2022 19:13, David Woolley wrote:
I believe that decision was made years ago.
One problem is that if ITV only show on one channel then what are they
going to do with their other channels. It is quite likely they will
show normal programming with adverts i.e. rubbish that attracts lots
of viewers. That will lead to criticism.
Why would they want to show anything without adverts?
In message <tgbti7$1e7a3$1@dont-email.me>, NY <me@privacy.invalid> writes <snip>
I notice that BBC and ITV were carrying identical pictures,
presumably from a shared, pooled set of cameras. In the past at live
events, they often each had their own sets of cameras, duplicating
the number of camera positions and the amount of cabling / network
bandwidth needed.
If my newspaper is to be believed, the cameras were all the BBC's.
On 20/09/2022 10:19, John Hall wrote:
In message <tgbti7$1e7a3$1...@dont-email.me>, NY <m...@privacy.invalid> writes
<snip>
I notice that BBC and ITV were carrying identical pictures,
presumably from a shared, pooled set of cameras. In the past at live
events, they often each had their own sets of cameras, duplicating
the number of camera positions and the amount of cabling / network
bandwidth needed.
If my newspaper is to be believed, the cameras were all the BBC's.Actually none of the cameras were the BBC's. It was all a joint effort
using private OB facility companies (because the broadcasters have
virtually none of their own, beyond news vans) The BBC were the host broadcaster, so it was a single core feed to everyone (UK and abroad)
The production staff (directors, camera operators, sound people, vision engineers, production assistants, etc) were pooled from BBC, ITV, Sky
and the freelance market.
It's how all major events are covered now.
Though as far as I could make out, BBC 2 (and presumably 3 and 4 too) broadcast something not too far removed from their normal schedules, as
did BBC 1 after the six o'clock news.
Sophie Raworth Teeted this
"Claire Popplewell is the Creative Director - the boss - behind all of the BBC’s coverage over the past 10 days. Hats off to her. "
Though as far as I could make out, BBC 2 (and presumably 3 and 4 too) broadcast something not too far removed from their normal schedules, as
did BBC 1 after the six o'clock news.
"MB" <MB@nospam.net> wrote in messageWell, didn't the BBC carry on as normal yesterday with CBBC and CBeebies programmes ?
news:tgcqj7$1i655$1@dont-email.me...
Sophie Raworth Teeted this
"Claire Popplewell is the Creative Director - the boss - behind all
of the BBC’s coverage over the past 10 days. Hats off to her. "
What BBC broadcast was probably pretty good (I didn't watch *all* of
it) but they should not have simulcast (spammed) it across all their
channels for the funeral. They should have left all except one of
their channels showing normal programmes. Likewise for ITV: show their coverage on ITV but leave normal programmes on ITV2, 3, 4. In both
cases (BBC and ITV), some of the more popular BBC1/ITV1 programmes
should have been moved to one of their other channels for the day.
On 20/09/2022 10:13, John Hall wrote:
Though as far as I could make out, BBC 2 (and presumably 3 and 4 too)
broadcast something not too far removed from their normal schedules, as
did BBC 1 after the six o'clock news.
BBC4 did after the first couple(?) of days.
What BBC broadcast was probably pretty good (I didn't watch*all* of it) but they should not have simulcast (spammed) it across all their channels for
the funeral. They should have left all except one of their channels showing normal programmes. Likewise for ITV: show their coverage on ITV but leave normal programmes on ITV2, 3, 4. In both cases (BBC and ITV), some of the more popular BBC1/ITV1 programmes should have been moved to one of their other channels for the day.
But the main thing is: all listings sites (web or Digiguide) and the over-the-air listings should be kept up to date so they reflect what and
when is actually goign to be transmitted. That is the biggest problem I
found over the past week: on each day, radiotimes.com, Digiguide and OTA all gave different listings for that day's programmes - and what was actually transmitted may have resembled none of them
I confess that I still watch "Family Guy", though it's nowhere near as
good as it used to be, probably because Seth Macfarlane has too many
other projects these days so is less "hands-on" with the producing and writing . Although there have been signs of a revival this series,
perhaps because there's been more of Stewie and less of Peter.
I thought ITV's coverage over the last 10 days was the best overall out
of BBC, ITV, and Sky, was the least cluttered of the three main choices.
There were some odd audio cuts during the procession, almost as if some
of the mics they were switching to had a long delay, meaning the music
had chunks missing, and at other times chunks repeated. I'm unsure as to
why this was.
"Alexander" <none@nowhere.fr> wrote in message >news:tgfft6$1s3lt$1@dont-email.me...
There were some odd audio cuts during the procession, almost as if some
of the mics they were switching to had a long delay, meaning the music
had chunks missing, and at other times chunks repeated. I'm unsure as to
why this was.
How was the sound of the marching music picked up? Did they have a series of >mikes along the route, or did they have someone walking alongside with a
mike which transmitted to one of a series of receivers along the route?
There was no sense of the music gradually getting fainter as the band went >further away, and then louder as it approached another fixed mike, which
what makes me think of a travelling mike.
The viewing figures seem to be lower than everyone was expecting (even >accounting for on-line etc).
Seems the BBC got about 2/3rds of the total audience with their version
of the coverage.
Everyone seems to have been assuming for years that Monday will have
smashed the all time record for TV viewing, but it didn't.
Maybe as the 1953 Coronation was a major turning point for television,
then the 2022 funeral may well prove to be too !
"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:jouejsF8ikvU1@mid.individual.net...
I thought ITV's coverage over the last 10 days was the best overall outAgreed, although I thought Sky's royal commentator was also very good.
of BBC, ITV, and Sky, was the least cluttered of the three main choices.
I was watching TV (a rarity these days) during the time of the death announcement, after reading of the news online, and I chose ITN over BBC, which is a measure of just how much respect I have lost for the latter.
In message <jp2hv5Frr7iU1@mid.individual.net>, Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> writes
The viewing figures seem to be lower than everyone was expecting
(even accounting for on-line etc).
Seems the BBC got about 2/3rds of the total audience with their
version of the coverage.
Everyone seems to have been assuming for years that Monday will have
smashed the all time record for TV viewing, but it didn't.
Maybe as the 1953 Coronation was a major turning point for
television, then the 2022 funeral may well prove to be too !
I was wondering the same thing, given that most young people seem
rarely to watch TV but to view everything via their phone or tablet.
How was the sound of the marching music picked up? Did they have a series of >>mikes along the route, or did they have someone walking alongside with a >>mike which transmitted to one of a series of receivers along the route? >>There was no sense of the music gradually getting fainter as the band went >>further away, and then louder as it approached another fixed mike, which >>what makes me think of a travelling mike.
No reason not to!, a guardsman had it all in his Busby and was on a
freelance gig on overtime;)...
The viewing figures seem to be lower than everyone was expecting (even accounting for on-line etc).
Seems the BBC got about 2/3rds of the total audience with their version
of the coverage.
Everyone seems to have been assuming for years that Monday will have
smashed the all time record for TV viewing, but it didn't.
Maybe as the 1953 Coronation was a major turning point for television,
then the 2022 funeral may well prove to be too !
In article <tgfihg$1sbr5$1@dont-email.me>, NY <me@privacy.invalid>
scribeth thus
"Alexander" <none@nowhere.fr> wrote in message
news:tgfft6$1s3lt$1@dont-email.me...
There were some odd audio cuts during the procession, almost as if some
of the mics they were switching to had a long delay, meaning the music
had chunks missing, and at other times chunks repeated. I'm unsure as to >>> why this was.
How was the sound of the marching music picked up? Did they have a series of >> mikes along the route, or did they have someone walking alongside with a
mike which transmitted to one of a series of receivers along the route?
There was no sense of the music gradually getting fainter as the band went >> further away, and then louder as it approached another fixed mike, which
what makes me think of a travelling mike.
No reason not to!, a guardsman had it all in his Busby and was on a
freelance gig on overtime;)...
On 22/09/2022 08:59, John Hall wrote:
In message <jp2hv5Frr7iU1@mid.individual.net>, Mark Carver
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> writes
The viewing figures seem to be lower than everyone was expecting
(even accounting for on-line etc).
Seems the BBC got about 2/3rds of the total audience with their
version of the coverage.
Everyone seems to have been assuming for years that Monday will have
smashed the all time record for TV viewing, but it didn't.
Maybe as the 1953 Coronation was a major turning point for
television, then the 2022 funeral may well prove to be too !
I was wondering the same thing, given that most young people seem
rarely to watch TV but to view everything via their phone or tablet.
If so, it will genuinely make TV an artefact the Elizabethan reign !
a missed opportunity to have an immersive, commentary-free binaural
broadcast on radio and BBC Sounds
Although what is the cost of running the server for playing out pre-recorded programmes on (for example) ITV3?
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