Back in the days of the pirate radio stations there were plans afoot to use
a few old airliners flying figure of 8 patterns on rotation to transmit TV, much of it adult content apparently. Does anyone know if they ever got as
far as actually testing anything?
Back in the days of the pirate radio stations there were plans afoot to use
a few old airliners flying figure of 8 patterns on rotation to transmit TV, much of it adult content apparently. Does anyone know if they ever got as
far as actually testing anything?
On 20/08/2022 12:46, Brian Gaff wrote:
Back in the days of the pirate radio stations there were plans afoot to use a few old airliners flying figure of 8 patterns on rotation to transmit TV, much of it adult content apparently. Does anyone know if they ever got as far as actually testing anything?Caroline TV: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_television#Proposed_stations
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Max Demian
Loads on the internet though until Nadine Dories gets her Internet Censorship Bill passed.She'll never figure out how to *upstream* it
On 20/08/2022 17:40, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
Loads on the internet though until Nadine Dories gets her Internet Censorship Bill passed.
She'll never figure out how to *upstream* it
On Saturday, 20 August 2022 at 14:23:27 UTC+1, Max Demian wrote:
On 20/08/2022 12:46, Brian Gaff wrote:
Back in the days of the pirate radio stations there were plans afoot toCaroline TV:
use
a few old airliners flying figure of 8 patterns on rotation to transmit
TV,
much of it adult content apparently. Does anyone know if they ever got
as
far as actually testing anything?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_television#Proposed_stations
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Max Demian
Loads of them fly about in a circular pattern 40Mm up, and many do indeed broadcast porn, althouh none FTA AFAIK.
Loads on the internet though until Nadine Dories gets her Internet
Censorship Bill passed.
On 20/08/2022 12:46, Brian Gaff wrote:
Back in the days of the pirate radio stations there were plans
afoot to use a few old airliners flying figure of 8 patterns on
rotation to transmit TV, much of it adult content apparently. Does
anyone know if they ever got as far as actually testing anything?
There was TV Marti, an American propaganda station directed at Cuba, broadcast from a plane
http://www.historyofcuba.com/history/funfacts/TVmarti.htm
On 20/08/2022 12:46, Brian Gaff wrote:
Back in the days of the pirate radio stations there were plans afoot to
use
a few old airliners flying figure of 8 patterns on rotation to transmit
TV,
much of it adult content apparently. Does anyone know if they ever got as
far as actually testing anything?
There was TV Marti, an American propaganda station directed at Cuba, broadcast from a plane
http://www.historyofcuba.com/history/funfacts/TVmarti.htm
On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 18:55:46 +0100, Mark Carver
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
On 20/08/2022 17:40, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
Loads on the internet though until Nadine Dories gets her Internet
Censorship Bill passed.
She'll never figure out how to *upstream* it
Dopey Dorries. Nasty Nadine.
Take your pick. Or even take both.
I bet their programming was scintillating....
Brian
Getting back on topic. I'm very surprised that some enterprising person has not bought access to a transponder on a sat and started to broadcast stuff.
Brian
And you think such bills are going to affect that? I often wonder about the stupidity of people who think they can turn back time in some way or control a global entity.
Brian
On 21/08/2022 08:22, Brian Gaff wrote:
Getting back on topic. I'm very surprised that some enterprising person has
not bought access to a transponder on a sat and started to broadcast stuff.
Brian
years ago they did. satellite magazines would advertise the service, it would require more than your standard satellite dish, a new box and
decoder device plus card. the govermnent even went to the trouble of
banning the sale of cards for some services. eventually the internet rendered such services as pointless to anyone who didnt already have the equipment such as people in other european countries.
for an example read https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1998/1865/made?view=plain
On Sunday, 21 August 2022 at 15:36:57 UTC+1, the dog from that film you saw wrote:increased advertising revenue.
On 21/08/2022 08:22, Brian Gaff wrote:
years ago they did. satellite magazines would advertise the service, it
Getting back on topic. I'm very surprised that some enterprising person has
not bought access to a transponder on a sat and started to broadcast stuff.
Brian
would require more than your standard satellite dish, a new box and
decoder device plus card. the govermnent even went to the trouble of
banning the sale of cards for some services. eventually the internet
rendered such services as pointless to anyone who didnt already have the
equipment such as people in other european countries.
for an example read
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1998/1865/made?view=plain
D2-Mac decoders were more or less standard in UK and companies like Philips sold them.
Adult material was available on mainstream Scandinavian channels and French Canal+ amongst others as part of their normal schedule.
One could easily buy a card for Scandinavian TV and keep the codes up to date for little or nothing
AIUI ownership of the cards and reception of adult material was never illegal and since the cards were not lawfully on sale in the UK the TV stations had no interest [or chance] in seeking damages as they had suffered no loss, indeed it probably
As for now, well David Hockney correctly predicted the situation back in the 90's - with web sites out of UK jurisdiction and VPN or even satellite internet (thanks Ellon) there is not a cat in hell's chance of enforcing censorship in the UK. OTOH thePRC has seen Musk coming and are developing laser weapons to knock out his satellites. Let's hope he put up a load of dummy [balloon] ones.
On Mon, 22 Aug 2022 12:20:07 -0700 (PDT), "R. Mark Clayton" <notya...@gmail.com> wrote:
When digital terrestrial broadcasting was first introduced in the UK,
it was only by rented receivers and card access, but the receivers
soon began to turn up on the secondhand market (which is how I got my
first one, at a computer fair - remember them?).
You could also easily
obtain a card programmer and blank cards, and the required codes would
be regularly posted in usenet newsgroups.
I've heard that some online subscription services can be hacked,
although I have my doubts about how reliable that can be, but
conventional broadcasting has no reverse channel so if they ever tried
to introduce encryption again, there would be absolutely zero chance
of detecting anyone who was able to view it.
Rod.
On Monday, 22 August 2022 at 21:18:31 UTC+1, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Mon, 22 Aug 2022 12:20:07 -0700 (PDT), "R. Mark Clayton"SNIP
<notya...@gmail.com> wrote:
When digital terrestrial broadcasting was first introduced in the UK,
it was only by rented receivers and card access, but the receivers
soon began to turn up on the secondhand market (which is how I got my
first one, at a computer fair - remember them?).
I bought mine from a subscriber who no longer wanted it - £50 IIRC.
You could also easily
obtain a card programmer and blank cards, and the required codes would
be regularly posted in usenet newsgroups.
Not sure about that, I think you are confusing another service which was hacked into extinction.
You bought a subscription and were loaned a receiver (ITV/ON Digital), although an out of subscription receiver would still pick up all the free to air programs (now Freeview).subscribing could claim lien if chased in the courts. By then the second hand value of the boxes was but a few pounds, and after much derision the liquidators decided not to repossess old boxes.
Legally the box still belonged to the supplier, so when ITV Digital went bust (they changed the name back to On Digital just before) the liquidators initially said they would recover them. Would they be able to even find them, and anyone still
DVB-T evolved and the On Digital boxes were soon unable to receive most channels.
I've heard that some online subscription services can be hacked,
although I have my doubts about how reliable that can be, but
conventional broadcasting has no reverse channel so if they ever tried
to introduce encryption again, there would be absolutely zero chance
of detecting anyone who was able to view it.
Rod.
$ky does / did have a reverse channel - your box phoned home to tell them what chargeable content you had viewed.
$ky prevents domestic use in pubs etc. by broadcasting a signal that briefly shows the box number in the corner. Their agent then send this to $ky who cut it off immediately.
OTOH a pub using an EU receiver and card very eventually got off as it was legitimately bought and imported.
"R. Mark Clayton" <notyalckram@gmail.com> wrote:
$ky does / did have a reverse channel - your box phoned home to tell them what chargeable content you had viewed.
$ky prevents domestic use in pubs etc. by broadcasting a signal that briefly shows the box number in the corner. Their agent then send this to $ky who cut it off immediately.
OTOH a pub using an EU receiver and card very eventually got off as it was legitimately bought and imported.
I thought we were talking about terrestrial TV, not satellite.
Conventional broadcasting from a transmitter doesn't inherently have a reverse channel, unless you decree the use of one by some other means.
This may have been included in the Sky satellite deal from the
beginning, but it requires extra complication in the viewers' homes (a
phone socket within reach of the receiver) which is probably why they
didn't impose it for terrestrial digital transmissions.
If anybody
manages to decode a broadcast that doesn't require any information to
be sent back to the broadcasters, there's no way the broadcasters
could know.
Online streaming is another matter, since TCP/IP is a two-way
protocol, so a mechanism exists whereby the broadcasters could track everything you watch. How much use is mad eof this mechanism I
couldn't say, but it does exist.
We had a Sky installation in about 2000. The original Sky box had no >hard-drive (so couldn't record) and only one tuner (there was no point
in there being two). There was no telephone connection.
To record a programme, you had to programme a VCR to record the Sky
box's output at time of transmission, in a very similar way to allowing
the VCR to record from its own tuner.
It was, to be frank, a PITA. As soon as I saw Sky+ at a relative's
house, we had to have it with all the simplicity of recording individual >programmes and even whole series (albeit only via the transmitted signal).
On Tue, 23 Aug 2022 14:59:52 +0100, JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm>
wrote:
We had a Sky installation in about 2000. The original Sky box had no
hard-drive (so couldn't record) and only one tuner (there was no point
in there being two). There was no telephone connection.
To record a programme, you had to programme a VCR to record the Sky
box's output at time of transmission, in a very similar way to allowing
the VCR to record from its own tuner.
It was, to be frank, a PITA. As soon as I saw Sky+ at a relative's
house, we had to have it with all the simplicity of recording individual
programmes and even whole series (albeit only via the transmitted signal).
I used to do things like that in the days of DTTV and VHS, because VHS machines only had analogue tuners. Some of the early receivers could
be programmed to tune to a particular channel at a particular time, so
I'd do that and then program the VHS to record from its SCART input.
My first hard drive PVR only had an analogue tuner, but it did also
have a SCART input that could record RGB so I used that in a similar
way. It worked, and I got to record what I wanted to watch, but it
involved setting up two pieces of gubbins by entering data manually
from the Radio Times or Digiguide and hoping that nothing changed.
Now with internet streaming, everything is available direct from its
sources all the time, using a single remote control, so I don't need
to record anything at all.
Rod.
We had a Sky installation in about 2000. The original Sky box had no hard-drive (so couldn't record) and only one tuner (there was no point
in there being two). There was no telephone connection.
To record a programme, you had to programme a VCR to record the Sky
box's output at time of transmission, in a very similar way to
allowing the VCR to record from its own tuner.
AIUI ownership of the cards and reception of adult material was never illegal and since the cards were not lawfully on sale in the UK the TV stations had no interest [or chance] in seeking damages as they had suffered no loss, indeed it probablyincreased advertising revenue.
On 23/08/2022 14:59, JNugent wrote:
We had a Sky installation in about 2000. The original Sky box had no
hard-drive (so couldn't record) and only one tuner (there was no point
in there being two). There was no telephone connection.
Oh yes there was. All the Sky Digital boxes from launch in 1998 had a telephone modem built in. It was in the T&Cs that you had to have
connected to a working phone line.
It dialled an 0800 number every calendar month, on a day and time
defined by your viewing card. I caught the details (somewhat ironically)
on my Sky Talk itemised phone bill, where 0800 numbers were still listed.
My box dialled Sky on the 10th of each month, at 20:51hrs. You could set
your watch by it. It was used if you were sent a new card for whatever
reason to pair to the box, and authenticate POV movie purchases.
To record a programme, you had to programme a VCR to record the Sky
box's output at time of transmission, in a very similar way to
allowing the VCR to record from its own tuner.
For a short while non HDD Sky boxes had a feature where you could set a
timer within the Sky menu to record a programme (or series of different programmes) and it would activate suitably equipped VCRs via a Scart
command. I used it successfully with a Sony VHS machine. However, almost weeks later the Sky+ HDD box was launched, using the same GUI, so it was clearly part of the same project.
OTOH the PRC has seen Musk coming and are developing laser weapons to
knock out his satellites. Let's hope he put up a load of dummy
[balloon] ones.
On 23/08/2022 04:43 pm, Mark Carver wrote:
On 23/08/2022 14:59, JNugent wrote:
We had a Sky installation in about 2000. The original Sky box had no
hard-drive (so couldn't record) and only one tuner (there was no
point in there being two). There was no telephone connection.
Oh yes there was. All the Sky Digital boxes from launch in 1998 had a
telephone modem built in. It was in the T&Cs that you had to have
connected to a working phone line.
:-)
My exact words: "There was no telephone connection".
I didn't say that there couldn't be. I remember rationalising the need
for the telephone connection to be... er... connected when we went to
Sky+.
On 23/08/2022 17:23, JNugent wrote:
On 23/08/2022 04:43 pm, Mark Carver wrote:
On 23/08/2022 14:59, JNugent wrote:
We had a Sky installation in about 2000. The original Sky box had no
hard-drive (so couldn't record) and only one tuner (there was no
point in there being two). There was no telephone connection.
Oh yes there was. All the Sky Digital boxes from launch in 1998 had a
telephone modem built in. It was in the T&Cs that you had to have
connected to a working phone line.
:-)
My exact words: "There was no telephone connection".
I didn't say that there couldn't be. I remember rationalising the need
for the telephone connection to be... er... connected when we went to
Sky+.
Ah, I see. Yes, nothing dreadful would happen if there wasn't a phone
line connected. The only drawback was authenticating a replacement card wouldn't work 'automatically' and you had to manually phone Sky to get
them bump your code in the satellite's data carousel. Even then, if you simply waited a few hours with the box on or in standby it would happen naturally.
Now with internet streaming, everything is available direct from its
sources all the time
On Tue, 23 Aug 2022 15:56:18 +0100, Roderick Stewart ><rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
Now with internet streaming, everything is available direct from its
sources all the time
No it isn't. It might be available for a time, until somebody decides
it isn't, at which point you have lost the opportunity.
They can't take away what you have recorded locally on your own
equipment.
On Tue, 23 Aug 2022 17:44:29 GMT, Paul Ratcliffe <abuse@orac12.clara34.co56.uk78> wrote:
On Tue, 23 Aug 2022 15:56:18 +0100, Roderick Stewart
<rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
Now with internet streaming, everything is available direct from its
sources all the time
No it isn't. It might be available for a time, until somebody decides
it isn't, at which point you have lost the opportunity.
They can't take away what you have recorded locally on your own
equipment.
You have the opportunity to decide if it is likely you will ever want
to see it again, in which case you could download and save it, or buy
a Bluray copy. I've found that this doesn't happen very often anyway,
and the older I get, the more rarely I feel the need to keep anything,
as I have to ask myself what I would be keeping it for.
On 24/08/2022 08:21, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Tue, 23 Aug 2022 17:44:29 GMT, Paul Ratcliffe
<abuse@orac12.clara34.co56.uk78> wrote:
On Tue, 23 Aug 2022 15:56:18 +0100, Roderick Stewart
<rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
Now with internet streaming, everything is available direct from its
sources all the time
No it isn't. It might be available for a time, until somebody decides
it isn't, at which point you have lost the opportunity.
They can't take away what you have recorded locally on your own
equipment.
You have the opportunity to decide if it is likely you will ever want
to see it again, in which case you could download and save it, or buy
a Bluray copy. I've found that this doesn't happen very often anyway,
and the older I get, the more rarely I feel the need to keep anything,
as I have to ask myself what I would be keeping it for.
Having a recording means I never have to rewatch the film.
On Tue, 23 Aug 2022 17:44:29 GMT, Paul Ratcliffe <abuse@orac12.clara34.co56.uk78> wrote:
On Tue, 23 Aug 2022 15:56:18 +0100, Roderick Stewart >><rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
Now with internet streaming, everything is available direct from its
sources all the time
No it isn't. It might be available for a time, until somebody decides
it isn't, at which point you have lost the opportunity.
They can't take away what you have recorded locally on your own
equipment.
You have the opportunity to decide if it is likely you will ever want
to see it again, in which case you could download and save it, or buy
a Bluray copy. I've found that this doesn't happen very often anyway,
and the older I get, the more rarely I feel the need to keep anything,
as I have to ask myself what I would be keeping it for.
"Roderick Stewart" <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message >news:hujbgh1hmtt2440g9584jeniajtsaemdl2@4ax.com...
On Tue, 23 Aug 2022 17:44:29 GMT, Paul Ratcliffe
<abuse@orac12.clara34.co56.uk78> wrote:
On Tue, 23 Aug 2022 15:56:18 +0100, Roderick Stewart >>><rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
Now with internet streaming, everything is available direct from its
sources all the time
No it isn't. It might be available for a time, until somebody decides
it isn't, at which point you have lost the opportunity.
They can't take away what you have recorded locally on your own >>>equipment.
You have the opportunity to decide if it is likely you will ever want
to see it again, in which case you could download and save it, or buy
a Bluray copy. I've found that this doesn't happen very often anyway,
and the older I get, the more rarely I feel the need to keep anything,
as I have to ask myself what I would be keeping it for.
Is it possible to download-to-keep for broadcasters other than BBC? There's >Get-iPlayer for BBC, but has anyone developed software for ITV, CH4, Five?
I record from satellite or terrestrial, then I know that I can keep what I >want, and can play it through my own player (VLC) on a PC, with the ability >to go through frame by frame is needed, or to play at 1.3, 1.5, 2x.
I only use online if it's a programme that I've forgotten to record.
I used to record broadcasts from Freeview, but now they're all
available on various catchup services, often without adverts or
mutilated end credits, which is preferable anyway, and as for movies,
the broadcasters absolutely butcher them so I now only watch them
online. I haven't watched anything on Freeview since last year.
"Roderick Stewart" <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message news:hujbgh1hmtt2440g9584jeniajtsaemdl2@4ax.com...
On Tue, 23 Aug 2022 17:44:29 GMT, Paul Ratcliffe
<abuse@orac12.clara34.co56.uk78> wrote:
On Tue, 23 Aug 2022 15:56:18 +0100, Roderick Stewart
<rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
Now with internet streaming, everything is available direct from its
sources all the time
No it isn't. It might be available for a time, until somebody decides
it isn't, at which point you have lost the opportunity.
They can't take away what you have recorded locally on your own
equipment.
You have the opportunity to decide if it is likely you will ever want
to see it again, in which case you could download and save it, or buy
a Bluray copy. I've found that this doesn't happen very often anyway,
and the older I get, the more rarely I feel the need to keep anything,
as I have to ask myself what I would be keeping it for.
Is it possible to download-to-keep for broadcasters other than BBC?
There's Get-iPlayer for BBC, but has anyone developed software for ITV,
CH4, Five?
I record from satellite or terrestrial, then I know that I can keep what
I want, and can play it through my own player (VLC) on a PC, with the
ability to go through frame by frame is needed, or to play at 1.3, 1.5, 2x.
I only use online if it's a programme that I've forgotten to record.
"Roderick Stewart" <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message >news:5k6eght5m5l4ctttoevd58n61vvq4p8k4c@4ax.com...
I used to record broadcasts from Freeview, but now they're all
available on various catchup services, often without adverts or
mutilated end credits, which is preferable anyway, and as for movies,
the broadcasters absolutely butcher them so I now only watch them
online. I haven't watched anything on Freeview since last year.
That assumes you want to watch a programme only during the time that it is >available on the relevant catch-up service, and that you are happy watching >it in the broadcaster's player - which often pops up a big advert caption if >you pause the video.
With commercial broadcasts, you can record off-air and edit out the adverts >so you never see them again, whereas on the catchup service you cannot avoid >them or move them all the the beginning of the programme (it's less
intrusive to have a single mega-turd of adverts at the beginning which you >play while you're making a cup of coffee etc, then you can watch the actual >programme unsullied by adverts).
On Wed, 24 Aug 2022 21:42:17 +0100, "NY" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
"Roderick Stewart" <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message >news:hujbgh1hmtt2440g9584jeniajtsaemdl2@4ax.com...
On Tue, 23 Aug 2022 17:44:29 GMT, Paul Ratcliffe
<abuse@orac12.clara34.co56.uk78> wrote:
Is it possible to download-to-keep for broadcasters other than BBC?
There's Get-iPlayer for BBC, but has anyone developed software for
ITV, CH4, Five?
It's probably possible to download and keep TV material from any source,
but I don't bother any more.
With commercial broadcasts, you can record off-air and edit out the
adverts so you never see them again, whereas on the catchup service you cannot avoid them or move them all the the beginning of the programme
(it's less intrusive to have a single mega-turd of adverts at the
beginning which you play while you're making a cup of coffee etc, then
you can watch the actual programme unsullied by adverts).
A few years ago I got rid of the FM tuner because I simply wasn't
using it, as everything it could receive and a great deal more was
also available online. Then I got rid of the computer I had first used
as a streaming device before discovering how good those little Android devices could be. Maybe it's only a matter of time before the PVRs
have to go too - before or after the VHS I wonder? (I haven't used
that for a few years) or maybe I'll just get rid of them all in one
go. The AV rack is looking quite depleted already, and much of what
remains is just sitting there consuming electrical power (not much I
hope, but not zero either) and doing precisely bugger all. Maybe
eventually I'll replace the rack itself and all its empty shelves with
some smaller piece of furniture. Then there are all those DVDs I
bought when it was a novelty just to be able to watch a movie in full
and in high quality, but many of which I've watched only once. There
comes a time when you have to be honest with yourself and face the
reality that television, like life itself, is only ephemeral, you
can't keep everything forever, and it's pointless to try.
I [ ... ] use Ch4 mainly for things like
news.
On Thu, 25 Aug 2022 09:13:37 +0100, "NY" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
"Roderick Stewart" <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message >news:5k6eght5m5l4ctttoevd58n61vvq4p8k4c@4ax.com...
True, but BBC programmes seem to stay on their system for months on end,
so no hurry.
It was with all this in mind, that at the end of last year, actually the
31st of December, the traditional time for new years resolutions, I
decided to prune all the stuff I'd never watched from the hard drive in
my PVR, and soon realised this was nearly all of it, so I just formatted
the drive, cancelled all future recordings
On Wed, 24 Aug 2022 21:42:17 +0100, "NY" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
"Roderick Stewart" <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message
news:hujbgh1hmtt2440g9584jeniajtsaemdl2@4ax.com...
On Tue, 23 Aug 2022 17:44:29 GMT, Paul Ratcliffe
<abuse@orac12.clara34.co56.uk78> wrote:
On Tue, 23 Aug 2022 15:56:18 +0100, Roderick Stewart
<rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
Now with internet streaming, everything is available direct from its >>>>> sources all the time
No it isn't. It might be available for a time, until somebody decides
it isn't, at which point you have lost the opportunity.
They can't take away what you have recorded locally on your own
equipment.
You have the opportunity to decide if it is likely you will ever want
to see it again, in which case you could download and save it, or buy
a Bluray copy. I've found that this doesn't happen very often anyway,
and the older I get, the more rarely I feel the need to keep anything,
as I have to ask myself what I would be keeping it for.
Is it possible to download-to-keep for broadcasters other than BBC? There's >> Get-iPlayer for BBC, but has anyone developed software for ITV, CH4, Five? >>
I record from satellite or terrestrial, then I know that I can keep what I >> want, and can play it through my own player (VLC) on a PC, with the ability >> to go through frame by frame is needed, or to play at 1.3, 1.5, 2x.
I only use online if it's a programme that I've forgotten to record.
It's probably possible to download and keep TV material from any
source, but I don't bother any more. I used to record occasional items
from Youtube (they don't make it easy but there are apps that can do
it) but if I kept my own recordings I'd have to catalogue them
somehow. It's so easy to search and play just about anything directly,
so I have no further interest in doing it the hard way.
I used to record broadcasts from Freeview, but now they're all
available on various catchup services, often without adverts or
mutilated end credits, which is preferable anyway, and as for movies,
the broadcasters absolutely butcher them so I now only watch them
online. I haven't watched anything on Freeview since last year.
Rod.
I was streaming Justified a few months ago. I was part through ser 5 and watching an episode when it paused. When I tried to get it running again next day, the whole series had disappeared from All4 and I havent been able to find it again.
I used to record broadcasts from Freeview, but now they're all
available on various catchup services, often without adverts or
mutilated end credits, which is preferable anyway, and as for movies,
the broadcasters absolutely butcher them so I now only watch them
online. I haven't watched anything on Freeview since last year.
Rod.
A quick point:
Some commercial broadcasters have always cut movies to make them fit a >time-slot (especially given that commercial breaks need to be allowed for*).
The BBC *never* does that. Neither does Sky Cinema.
JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
I used to record broadcasts from Freeview, but now they're all
available on various catchup services, often without adverts or
mutilated end credits, which is preferable anyway, and as for movies,
the broadcasters absolutely butcher them so I now only watch them
online. I haven't watched anything on Freeview since last year.
A quick point:
Some commercial broadcasters have always cut movies to make them fit a
time-slot (especially given that commercial breaks need to be allowed for*). >> The BBC *never* does that. Neither does Sky Cinema.
The mainstream broadcasters all curtail end credits, or speed them up,
or both, or squish them to one side so they're unreadable to show
adverts in the other half of the screen, and talk over them.
That's unless things have changed in the year or more since the last
time I actually watched a movie on a broadcast service, which I doubt.
On Radio 3 I think it's still a hanging offence to talk over the
music, but there's little respect for the programme material on TV.
On 30/08/2022 10:00 am, Roderick Stewart wrote:
JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:[in response to:]
I used to record broadcasts from Freeview, but now they're all
available on various catchup services, often without adverts or
mutilated end credits, which is preferable anyway, and as for movies,
the broadcasters absolutely butcher them so I now only watch them
online. I haven't watched anything on Freeview since last year.
A quick point:
Some commercial broadcasters have always cut movies to make them fit a
time-slot (especially given that commercial breaks need to be allowed for*).
The BBC *never* does that. Neither does Sky Cinema.
The mainstream broadcasters all curtail end credits, or speed them up,
or both, or squish them to one side so they're unreadable to show
adverts in the other half of the screen, and talk over them.
That is true of ITV and C4 / C5 (AFAICR). Not so sure about the BBC. Sky >Cinema definitely doesn't do it.
That's unless things have changed in the year or more since the last
time I actually watched a movie on a broadcast service, which I doubt.
On Radio 3 I think it's still a hanging offence to talk over the
music, but there's little respect for the programme material on TV.
OfCom really ought to have an opinion on this. The credits are an
integral part of the programme or film.
On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 15:57:19 +0100, JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm>
wrote:
On 30/08/2022 10:00 am, Roderick Stewart wrote:
JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:[in response to:]
I used to record broadcasts from Freeview, but now they're all
available on various catchup services, often without adverts or
mutilated end credits, which is preferable anyway, and as for movies, >>>>> the broadcasters absolutely butcher them so I now only watch them
online. I haven't watched anything on Freeview since last year.
A quick point:
Some commercial broadcasters have always cut movies to make them fit a >>>> time-slot (especially given that commercial breaks need to be allowed for*).
The BBC *never* does that. Neither does Sky Cinema.
The mainstream broadcasters all curtail end credits, or speed them up,
or both, or squish them to one side so they're unreadable to show
adverts in the other half of the screen, and talk over them.
That is true of ITV and C4 / C5 (AFAICR). Not so sure about the BBC. Sky
Cinema definitely doesn't do it.
That's unless things have changed in the year or more since the last
time I actually watched a movie on a broadcast service, which I doubt.
On Radio 3 I think it's still a hanging offence to talk over the
music, but there's little respect for the programme material on TV.
OfCom really ought to have an opinion on this. The credits are an
integral part of the programme or film.
Agreed. It seems to me the equivalent of ripping the covers off a book
and stamping logos or advertisements over some of the pages, or
perhaps putting stickers over the corners of paintings in an art
gallery. Whatever you think of an artwork, it's what the artist(s)
created, and should be left unmolested to stand on its own merits.
On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 15:57:19 +0100, JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm>
wrote:
On 30/08/2022 10:00 am, Roderick Stewart wrote:
JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:[in response to:]
I used to record broadcasts from Freeview, but now they're all
available on various catchup services, often without adverts or
mutilated end credits, which is preferable anyway, and as for movies, >>>>> the broadcasters absolutely butcher them so I now only watch them
online. I haven't watched anything on Freeview since last year.
A quick point:
Some commercial broadcasters have always cut movies to make them fit a >>>> time-slot (especially given that commercial breaks need to be allowed for*).
The BBC *never* does that. Neither does Sky Cinema.
The mainstream broadcasters all curtail end credits, or speed them up,
or both, or squish them to one side so they're unreadable to show
adverts in the other half of the screen, and talk over them.
That is true of ITV and C4 / C5 (AFAICR). Not so sure about the BBC. Sky
Cinema definitely doesn't do it.
That's unless things have changed in the year or more since the last
time I actually watched a movie on a broadcast service, which I doubt.
On Radio 3 I think it's still a hanging offence to talk over the
music, but there's little respect for the programme material on TV.
OfCom really ought to have an opinion on this. The credits are an
integral part of the programme or film.
Agreed. It seems to me the equivalent of ripping the covers off a book
and stamping logos or advertisements over some of the pages, or
perhaps putting stickers over the corners of paintings in an art
gallery. Whatever you think of an artwork, it's what the artist(s)
created, and should be left unmolested to stand on its own merits.
On 30/08/2022 18:37, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 15:57:19 +0100, JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm>
wrote:
On 30/08/2022 10:00 am, Roderick Stewart wrote:
JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:[in response to:]
I used to record broadcasts from Freeview, but now they're all
available on various catchup services, often without adverts or
mutilated end credits, which is preferable anyway, and as for movies, >>>>>> the broadcasters absolutely butcher them so I now only watch them
online. I haven't watched anything on Freeview since last year.
A quick point:
Some commercial broadcasters have always cut movies to make them fit a >>>>> time-slot (especially given that commercial breaks need to be
allowed for*).
The BBC *never* does that. Neither does Sky Cinema.
The mainstream broadcasters all curtail end credits, or speed them up, >>>> or both, or squish them to one side so they're unreadable to show
adverts in the other half of the screen, and talk over them.
That is true of ITV and C4 / C5 (AFAICR). Not so sure about the BBC. Sky >>> Cinema definitely doesn't do it.
That's unless things have changed in the year or more since the last
time I actually watched a movie on a broadcast service, which I doubt. >>>>
On Radio 3 I think it's still a hanging offence to talk over the
music, but there's little respect for the programme material on TV.
OfCom really ought to have an opinion on this. The credits are an
integral part of the programme or film.
Agreed. It seems to me the equivalent of ripping the covers off a book
and stamping logos or advertisements over some of the pages, or
perhaps putting stickers over the corners of paintings in an art
gallery. Whatever you think of an artwork, it's what the artist(s)
created, and should be left unmolested to stand on its own merits.
I suggest it is - and should be - a matter of for agreement between
whoever holds the rights to the film etc and the person showing it. I
don't see why governments should intervene any more than they do to
dictate what can and can't be cut from the text of Hamlet.
On 30/08/2022 18:37, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 15:57:19 +0100, JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm>
wrote:
On 30/08/2022 10:00 am, Roderick Stewart wrote:
JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:[in response to:]
I used to record broadcasts from Freeview, but now they're all
available on various catchup services, often without adverts or
mutilated end credits, which is preferable anyway, and as for movies, >>>>>> the broadcasters absolutely butcher them so I now only watch them
online. I haven't watched anything on Freeview since last year.
A quick point:
Some commercial broadcasters have always cut movies to make them fit a >>>>> time-slot (especially given that commercial breaks need to be
allowed for*).
The BBC *never* does that. Neither does Sky Cinema.
The mainstream broadcasters all curtail end credits, or speed them up, >>>> or both, or squish them to one side so they're unreadable to show
adverts in the other half of the screen, and talk over them.
That is true of ITV and C4 / C5 (AFAICR). Not so sure about the BBC. Sky >>> Cinema definitely doesn't do it.
That's unless things have changed in the year or more since the last
time I actually watched a movie on a broadcast service, which I doubt. >>>>
On Radio 3 I think it's still a hanging offence to talk over the
music, but there's little respect for the programme material on TV.
OfCom really ought to have an opinion on this. The credits are an
integral part of the programme or film.
Agreed. It seems to me the equivalent of ripping the covers off a book
and stamping logos or advertisements over some of the pages, or
perhaps putting stickers over the corners of paintings in an art
gallery. Whatever you think of an artwork, it's what the artist(s)
created, and should be left unmolested to stand on its own merits.
So that you can make a perfect copy as issued, and infringe the
copyright in it with no downside or easy detection? Pirates would love that.
But of course. they are great respecters of artistic integrity too,
aren't they?
On 25/08/2022 07:58 am, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Wed, 24 Aug 2022 21:42:17 +0100, "NY" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
"Roderick Stewart" <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message
news:hujbgh1hmtt2440g9584jeniajtsaemdl2@4ax.com...
On Tue, 23 Aug 2022 17:44:29 GMT, Paul Ratcliffe
<abuse@orac12.clara34.co56.uk78> wrote:
On Tue, 23 Aug 2022 15:56:18 +0100, Roderick Stewart
<rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
Now with internet streaming, everything is available direct from its >>>>>> sources all the time
No it isn't. It might be available for a time, until somebody decides >>>>> it isn't, at which point you have lost the opportunity.
They can't take away what you have recorded locally on your own
equipment.
You have the opportunity to decide if it is likely you will ever want
to see it again, in which case you could download and save it, or buy
a Bluray copy. I've found that this doesn't happen very often anyway,
and the older I get, the more rarely I feel the need to keep anything, >>>> as I have to ask myself what I would be keeping it for.
Is it possible to download-to-keep for broadcasters other than BBC? There's >>> Get-iPlayer for BBC, but has anyone developed software for ITV, CH4, Five? >>>
I record from satellite or terrestrial, then I know that I can keep what I >>> want, and can play it through my own player (VLC) on a PC, with the ability >>> to go through frame by frame is needed, or to play at 1.3, 1.5, 2x.
I only use online if it's a programme that I've forgotten to record.
It's probably possible to download and keep TV material from any
source, but I don't bother any more. I used to record occasional items
from Youtube (they don't make it easy but there are apps that can do
it) but if I kept my own recordings I'd have to catalogue them
somehow. It's so easy to search and play just about anything directly,
so I have no further interest in doing it the hard way.
I used to record broadcasts from Freeview, but now they're all
available on various catchup services, often without adverts or
mutilated end credits, which is preferable anyway, and as for movies,
the broadcasters absolutely butcher them so I now only watch them
online. I haven't watched anything on Freeview since last year.
Rod.
A quick point:
Some commercial broadcasters have always cut movies to make them fit a >time-slot (especially given that commercial breaks need to be allowed for*).
The BBC *never* does that. Neither does Sky Cinema.
[* There was an occasion where ITV broadcast "Oklahoma!" with their
segments in the wrong order.]
On Mon, 29 Aug 2022 11:23:18 +0100, JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
On 25/08/2022 07:58 am, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Wed, 24 Aug 2022 21:42:17 +0100, "NY" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
"Roderick Stewart" <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message
news:hujbgh1hmtt2440g9584jeniajtsaemdl2@4ax.com...
On Tue, 23 Aug 2022 17:44:29 GMT, Paul Ratcliffe
<abuse@orac12.clara34.co56.uk78> wrote:
On Tue, 23 Aug 2022 15:56:18 +0100, Roderick Stewart
<rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
Now with internet streaming, everything is available direct from its >>>>>>> sources all the time
No it isn't. It might be available for a time, until somebody decides >>>>>> it isn't, at which point you have lost the opportunity.
They can't take away what you have recorded locally on your own
equipment.
You have the opportunity to decide if it is likely you will ever want >>>>> to see it again, in which case you could download and save it, or buy >>>>> a Bluray copy. I've found that this doesn't happen very often anyway, >>>>> and the older I get, the more rarely I feel the need to keep anything, >>>>> as I have to ask myself what I would be keeping it for.
Is it possible to download-to-keep for broadcasters other than BBC? There's
Get-iPlayer for BBC, but has anyone developed software for ITV, CH4, Five? >>>>
I record from satellite or terrestrial, then I know that I can keep what I >>>> want, and can play it through my own player (VLC) on a PC, with the ability
to go through frame by frame is needed, or to play at 1.3, 1.5, 2x.
I only use online if it's a programme that I've forgotten to record.
It's probably possible to download and keep TV material from any
source, but I don't bother any more. I used to record occasional items
from Youtube (they don't make it easy but there are apps that can do
it) but if I kept my own recordings I'd have to catalogue them
somehow. It's so easy to search and play just about anything directly,
so I have no further interest in doing it the hard way.
I used to record broadcasts from Freeview, but now they're all
available on various catchup services, often without adverts or
mutilated end credits, which is preferable anyway, and as for movies,
the broadcasters absolutely butcher them so I now only watch them
online. I haven't watched anything on Freeview since last year.
Rod.
A quick point:
Some commercial broadcasters have always cut movies to make them fit a
time-slot (especially given that commercial breaks need to be allowed for*). >>
The BBC *never* does that. Neither does Sky Cinema.
[* There was an occasion where ITV broadcast "Oklahoma!" with their
segments in the wrong order.]
Episode 1 of The Capture on BBC1 appears to be a continuation of episodes which
have not been shown. Were episodes deleted because they contained controversial
info about using Chinese imports for internal security?
Agreed. It seems to me the equivalent of ripping the covers off a book
and stamping logos or advertisements over some of the pages, or
perhaps putting stickers over the corners of paintings in an art
gallery. Whatever you think of an artwork, it's what the artist(s)
created, and should be left unmolested to stand on its own merits.
So that you can make a perfect copy as issued, and infringe the
copyright in it with no downside or easy detection? Pirates would love
that.
On 31/08/2022 11:08 am, Martin wrote:
On Mon, 29 Aug 2022 11:23:18 +0100, JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote: >>
On 25/08/2022 07:58 am, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Wed, 24 Aug 2022 21:42:17 +0100, "NY" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
"Roderick Stewart" <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message
news:hujbgh1hmtt2440g9584jeniajtsaemdl2@4ax.com...
On Tue, 23 Aug 2022 17:44:29 GMT, Paul Ratcliffe
<abuse@orac12.clara34.co56.uk78> wrote:
On Tue, 23 Aug 2022 15:56:18 +0100, Roderick Stewart
<rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
Now with internet streaming, everything is available direct from its >>>>>>>> sources all the time
No it isn't. It might be available for a time, until somebody decides >>>>>>> it isn't, at which point you have lost the opportunity.
They can't take away what you have recorded locally on your own
equipment.
You have the opportunity to decide if it is likely you will ever want >>>>>> to see it again, in which case you could download and save it, or buy >>>>>> a Bluray copy. I've found that this doesn't happen very often anyway, >>>>>> and the older I get, the more rarely I feel the need to keep anything, >>>>>> as I have to ask myself what I would be keeping it for.
Is it possible to download-to-keep for broadcasters other than BBC? There's
Get-iPlayer for BBC, but has anyone developed software for ITV, CH4, Five?
I record from satellite or terrestrial, then I know that I can keep what I
want, and can play it through my own player (VLC) on a PC, with the ability
to go through frame by frame is needed, or to play at 1.3, 1.5, 2x.
I only use online if it's a programme that I've forgotten to record.
It's probably possible to download and keep TV material from any
source, but I don't bother any more. I used to record occasional items >>>> from Youtube (they don't make it easy but there are apps that can do
it) but if I kept my own recordings I'd have to catalogue them
somehow. It's so easy to search and play just about anything directly, >>>> so I have no further interest in doing it the hard way.
I used to record broadcasts from Freeview, but now they're all
available on various catchup services, often without adverts or
mutilated end credits, which is preferable anyway, and as for movies,
the broadcasters absolutely butcher them so I now only watch them
online. I haven't watched anything on Freeview since last year.
Rod.
A quick point:
Some commercial broadcasters have always cut movies to make them fit a
time-slot (especially given that commercial breaks need to be allowed for*).
The BBC *never* does that. Neither does Sky Cinema.
[* There was an occasion where ITV broadcast "Oklahoma!" with their
segments in the wrong order.]
Episode 1 of The Capture on BBC1 appears to be a continuation of episodes which
have not been shown. Were episodes deleted because they contained controversial
info about using Chinese imports for internal security?
I watched the first series (and afterwards regretted the waste of my time).
I watched only the "Previously on..." section this time and decided
against it.
On 30/08/2022 10:00 am, Roderick Stewart wrote:
The mainstream broadcasters all curtail end credits, or speed them up,
or both, or squish them to one side so they're unreadable to show
adverts in the other half of the screen, and talk over them.
That is true of ITV and C4 / C5 (AFAICR). Not so sure about the BBC. Sky Cinema definitely doesn't do it.
On 30/08/2022 06:57 pm, Robin wrote:
On 30/08/2022 18:37, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 15:57:19 +0100, JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm>
wrote:
On 30/08/2022 10:00 am, Roderick Stewart wrote:
JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:[in response to:]
I used to record broadcasts from Freeview, but now they're all
available on various catchup services, often without adverts or
mutilated end credits, which is preferable anyway, and as for
movies,
the broadcasters absolutely butcher them so I now only watch them >>>>>>> online. I haven't watched anything on Freeview since last year.
A quick point:
Some commercial broadcasters have always cut movies to make them
fit a
time-slot (especially given that commercial breaks need to be
allowed for*).
The BBC *never* does that. Neither does Sky Cinema.
The mainstream broadcasters all curtail end credits, or speed them up, >>>>> or both, or squish them to one side so they're unreadable to show
adverts in the other half of the screen, and talk over them.
That is true of ITV and C4 / C5 (AFAICR). Not so sure about the BBC.
Sky
Cinema definitely doesn't do it.
That's unless things have changed in the year or more since the last >>>>> time I actually watched a movie on a broadcast service, which I doubt. >>>>>
On Radio 3 I think it's still a hanging offence to talk over the
music, but there's little respect for the programme material on TV.
OfCom really ought to have an opinion on this. The credits are an
integral part of the programme or film.
Agreed. It seems to me the equivalent of ripping the covers off a book
and stamping logos or advertisements over some of the pages, or
perhaps putting stickers over the corners of paintings in an art
gallery. Whatever you think of an artwork, it's what the artist(s)
created, and should be left unmolested to stand on its own merits.
I suggest it is - and should be - a matter of for agreement between
whoever holds the rights to the film etc and the person showing it. I
don't see why governments should intervene any more than they do to
dictate what can and can't be cut from the text of Hamlet.
OfCom is not "the government". It is an independent decision-making body which is supposed to have the quality of the viewer's experience at the
heart of its thinking.
On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 12:40:41 +0100, JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
On 31/08/2022 11:08 am, Martin wrote:
On Mon, 29 Aug 2022 11:23:18 +0100, JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
On 25/08/2022 07:58 am, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Wed, 24 Aug 2022 21:42:17 +0100, "NY" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote: >>>>>
"Roderick Stewart" <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote in messageIt's probably possible to download and keep TV material from any
news:hujbgh1hmtt2440g9584jeniajtsaemdl2@4ax.com...
On Tue, 23 Aug 2022 17:44:29 GMT, Paul Ratcliffe
<abuse@orac12.clara34.co56.uk78> wrote:
On Tue, 23 Aug 2022 15:56:18 +0100, Roderick Stewart
<rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
Now with internet streaming, everything is available direct from its >>>>>>>>> sources all the time
No it isn't. It might be available for a time, until somebody decides >>>>>>>> it isn't, at which point you have lost the opportunity.
They can't take away what you have recorded locally on your own >>>>>>>> equipment.
You have the opportunity to decide if it is likely you will ever want >>>>>>> to see it again, in which case you could download and save it, or buy >>>>>>> a Bluray copy. I've found that this doesn't happen very often anyway, >>>>>>> and the older I get, the more rarely I feel the need to keep anything, >>>>>>> as I have to ask myself what I would be keeping it for.
Is it possible to download-to-keep for broadcasters other than BBC? There's
Get-iPlayer for BBC, but has anyone developed software for ITV, CH4, Five?
I record from satellite or terrestrial, then I know that I can keep what I
want, and can play it through my own player (VLC) on a PC, with the ability
to go through frame by frame is needed, or to play at 1.3, 1.5, 2x. >>>>>>
I only use online if it's a programme that I've forgotten to record. >>>>>
source, but I don't bother any more. I used to record occasional items >>>>> from Youtube (they don't make it easy but there are apps that can do >>>>> it) but if I kept my own recordings I'd have to catalogue them
somehow. It's so easy to search and play just about anything directly, >>>>> so I have no further interest in doing it the hard way.
I used to record broadcasts from Freeview, but now they're all
available on various catchup services, often without adverts or
mutilated end credits, which is preferable anyway, and as for movies, >>>>> the broadcasters absolutely butcher them so I now only watch them
online. I haven't watched anything on Freeview since last year.
Rod.
A quick point:
Some commercial broadcasters have always cut movies to make them fit a >>>> time-slot (especially given that commercial breaks need to be allowed for*).
The BBC *never* does that. Neither does Sky Cinema.
[* There was an occasion where ITV broadcast "Oklahoma!" with their
segments in the wrong order.]
Episode 1 of The Capture on BBC1 appears to be a continuation of episodes which
have not been shown. Were episodes deleted because they contained controversial
info about using Chinese imports for internal security?
I watched the first series (and afterwards regretted the waste of my time). >>
I watched only the "Previously on..." section this time and decided
against it.
We have watched two episodes and think it is good.
On 31/08/2022 02:04, JNugent wrote:
On 30/08/2022 06:57 pm, Robin wrote:
On 30/08/2022 18:37, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 15:57:19 +0100, JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm>
wrote:
On 30/08/2022 10:00 am, Roderick Stewart wrote:
JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:[in response to:]
I used to record broadcasts from Freeview, but now they're all >>>>>>>> available on various catchup services, often without adverts or >>>>>>>> mutilated end credits, which is preferable anyway, and as for
movies,
the broadcasters absolutely butcher them so I now only watch them >>>>>>>> online. I haven't watched anything on Freeview since last year.
A quick point:
Some commercial broadcasters have always cut movies to make them >>>>>>> fit a
time-slot (especially given that commercial breaks need to be
allowed for*).
The BBC *never* does that. Neither does Sky Cinema.
The mainstream broadcasters all curtail end credits, or speed them >>>>>> up,
or both, or squish them to one side so they're unreadable to show
adverts in the other half of the screen, and talk over them.
That is true of ITV and C4 / C5 (AFAICR). Not so sure about the
BBC. Sky
Cinema definitely doesn't do it.
That's unless things have changed in the year or more since the last >>>>>> time I actually watched a movie on a broadcast service, which IOfCom really ought to have an opinion on this. The credits are an
doubt.
On Radio 3 I think it's still a hanging offence to talk over the
music, but there's little respect for the programme material on TV. >>>>>
integral part of the programme or film.
Agreed. It seems to me the equivalent of ripping the covers off a book >>>> and stamping logos or advertisements over some of the pages, or
perhaps putting stickers over the corners of paintings in an art
gallery. Whatever you think of an artwork, it's what the artist(s)
created, and should be left unmolested to stand on its own merits.
I suggest it is - and should be - a matter of for agreement between
whoever holds the rights to the film etc and the person showing it.
I don't see why governments should intervene any more than they do to
dictate what can and can't be cut from the text of Hamlet.
OfCom is not "the government". It is an independent decision-making
body which is supposed to have the quality of the viewer's experience
at the heart of its thinking.
Ofcom is a QUANGO, an organisation to which a government has devolved
power, but which is still partly controlled and/or financed by
government bodies. As such it can only be semi-independent.
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