Apologies for the OT post but if, like me, you think disposable
barbecues are environmental disasters waiting to happen, you may want to
sign this:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/618664
Apologies for the OT post but if, like me, you think disposable barbecues
are environmental disasters waiting to happen, you may want to sign this:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/618664
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Its not the units its the idiots who use them and more to the point misuse them or use them in silly places and do not dispose of them correctly.
Surely a portable reusable one would be far more cost effective and safer.
Mind you, we still do allow people to buy fireworks....
Its not the units its the idiots who use them and more to the point
misuse them or use them in silly places and do not dispose of them
correctly. Surely a portable reusable one would be far more cost effective and safer.
Mind you, we still do allow people to buy fireworks....
On 16/08/2022 09:26, Brian Gaff wrote:
Its not the units its the idiots who use them and more to the point
misuse
them or use them in silly places and do not dispose of them correctly.
Surely a portable reusable one would be far more cost effective and
safer.
Mind you, we still do allow people to buy fireworks....
And allow people to send up those hot air beacons to spread fire far and wide.
The potable barbecues are possibly safer than what a lot of people seem to
do when away from home. Recently I've seen the remnants of fires made on
the ground in tinder dry grass car parks.
Surely a portable reusable one would be far more cost effective and safer.
Its not the units its the idiots who use them and more to the point misuse them or use them in silly places and do not dispose of them correctly.
Surely a portable reusable one would be far more cost effective and safer.
"alan_m" <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message news:jm16avFangrU1@mid.individual.net...
On 16/08/2022 09:26, Brian Gaff wrote:
Mind you, we still do allow people to buy fireworks....
And allow people to send up those hot air beacons to spread fire far
and wide.
The potable barbecues are possibly safer than what a lot of people
seem to do when away from home. Recently I've seen the remnants of
fires made on the ground in tinder dry grass car parks.
It needs proper Boy Sprout training: if you are going to build a fire outdoors, surround it with a ring of stones to help prevent the embers
from igniting the surrounding grass etc.
Have some water and or earth
handy in case anything ignites. And choose your location very carefully.
"Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote in message news:tdfkci$pm8$1@dont-email.me...
Its not the units its the idiots who use them and more to the point
misuse them or use them in silly places and do not dispose of them
correctly. [snip]
I agree, Brian. In an ideal world we should be selling disposable
barbecues freely, but policing the use of them better.
On 16/08/2022 09:26, Brian Gaff wrote:
Surely a portable reusable one would be far more cost effective and
safer.
The problem is that the idiots will take the barbecue home but dispose
of the embers irresponsibly. You can also do silly things with non-disposable ones, like my neighbour who sprays them with, I think,
diesel fuel to get them started (fortunately they seem to have got the message about this not being the right weather for barbecues).
Whilst is is, unfortunately the case, that without legislation, people
will sell products with the expectation that they will be used in
illegal or irresponsible ways, I feel uncomfortable about banning the
sale of any product that has a legitimate use.
In practice, I'm not sure what enabling legislation there is that would
allow the sale to be banned. You are only going to get a government ban
if there is an Act of Parliament that authorises the creation of
statutory instruments to ban the sale of relevant classes of product.
I'm not sure that an Act giving such wide powers would be desirable.
On 16/08/2022 09:26, Brian Gaff wrote:
Its not the units its the idiots who use them and more to the point
misuse
them or use them in silly places and do not dispose of them correctly.
Surely a portable reusable one would be far more cost effective and
safer.
I agree it shows stupidity but what about the various organisations that build picnic sites with tables and benches. They might have a location
for a barbeque included but do they always include some way of disposing
of the used barbeque? They often do not provide even adequate provision
for disposing of rubbish.
On 16/08/2022 10:27, NY wrote:
"Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:tdfkci$pm8$1@dont-email.me...
Its not the units its the idiots who use them and more to the point
misuse them or use them in silly places and do not dispose of them
correctly. [snip]
I agree, Brian. In an ideal world we should be selling disposable
barbecues freely, but policing the use of them better.
But, as we see every day, we don't live in an ideal world, and what's
left of the 'natural' world, already impoverished in ecological terms,
is rapidly being lost. There are now nearly 8bn people in the world,
and this country's population is higher than it's ever been before, and >no-one seems to want to pay for the constant presence of environmental
police to make all those people behave properly, so, if we are going to
be able to save anything worth saving, strong laws are needed.
There are precedents, ring pulls on cans, that used to get left in
fields where cattle would be injured by swallowing them, were replaced
by the modern lever system which, theoretically at least, shouldn't
leave any loose bits beside the can itself. Of course, the slobs just >through those away still, as I see examples of every day in my walks,
but at least they are less damaging to farm and wild life.
And plastic bags now have a surcharge in an attempt to ensure that fewer
of them end up in the environment, but I see those every day as well,
and drink bottles, sandwich wrappings, and all the other crap that
people throw out of their car windows.
Want to be disgusted? Listen to this:
Costing the Earth - Litter
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0742d31
And then please sign this petition. There isn't enough space in the
world for 8bn people disposing anything at all, let something as >ill-conceived as disposable BBQs.
On 16/08/2022 09:26, Brian Gaff wrote:
Its not the units its the idiots who use them and more to the point
misuse
them or use them in silly places and do not dispose of them correctly.
Surely a portable reusable one would be far more cost effective and
safer.
I agree it shows stupidity but what about the various organisations that build picnic sites with tables and benches. They might have a location
for a barbeque included but do they always include some way of disposing
of the used barbeque? They often do not provide even adequate provision
for disposing of rubbish.
We already do it with knives and guns.
In practice, I'm not sure what enabling legislation there is that
would allow the sale to be banned. You are only going to get a
government ban if there is an Act of Parliament that authorises the
creation of statutory instruments to ban the sale of relevant classes
of product. I'm not sure that an Act giving such wide powers would be
desirable.
As above, there are already relevant classes of product subject to such
bans, so I can't really see that there would be any judicial difficulty.
On 16/08/2022 10:32, NY wrote:
"alan_m" <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message
news:jm16avFangrU1@mid.individual.net...
On 16/08/2022 09:26, Brian Gaff wrote:
Mind you, we still do allow people to buy fireworks....
And allow people to send up those hot air beacons to spread fire far
and wide.
Chinese lanterns, I confess that I and my stepfather used to do that :-(
However, we usually did it around bonfire time, and the world is
usually wetter then, but even so, barns full of straw? I was too young
at the time to realise the dangers, but I've occasionally wondered since
how many things we set on fire.
There isn't, I believe, primary legislation that would allow the
government to create secondary legislation to ban disposable barbecues,
so the full process for creating primary legislation would be needed.
The worst examples of careless waste must be open air rock festivals.
I've never had the tiniest inclination to go to one, but I've seen the aftermath pictures on newspapers' websites, and it's absolutely
appalling how much potentially useful camping gear is discarded,
presumably because the people who brought it can't be arsed to take it
home and clean it.
On 16/08/2022 14:43, Roderick Stewart wrote:
The worst examples of careless waste must be open air rock festivals.
I've never had the tiniest inclination to go to one, but I've seen the
aftermath pictures on newspapers' websites, and it's absolutely
appalling how much potentially useful camping gear is discarded,
presumably because the people who brought it can't be arsed to take it
home and clean it.
Glastonbury usually gets false accusations after the festival but has a
very well organised system to clear the site - they have to clear it >completely because it is agricultural land and any litter could be fatal
to farm animals.
In practice, I'm not sure what enabling legislation there is that would
allow the sale to be banned. You are only going to get a government ban
if there is an Act of Parliament that authorises the creation of
statutory instruments to ban the sale of relevant classes of product.
On 16/08/2022 15:50, David Woolley wrote:
There isn't, I believe, primary legislation that would allow the
government to create secondary legislation to ban disposable barbecues,
so the full process for creating primary legislation would be needed.
It would be difficult to define.
Why not have a law where an area could be quickly declared a fire risk
and anyone in the area having any form of fire prosecuted - barbeque,
open fire, cigarette .......
On 16/08/2022 11:59, David Woolley wrote:
In practice, I'm not sure what enabling legislation there is that would
allow the sale to be banned. You are only going to get a government ban
if there is an Act of Parliament that authorises the creation of
statutory instruments to ban the sale of relevant classes of product.
It is also quite difficult to frame a Statutory Instrument that is
immune from circumventions.
For instance, many years ago I ordered some things by mail order and
because the total order value was above a threshold I also got what was advertised as a "mystery gift", which in my case was a disposable
barbecue. Even if there had been legislation at the time banning the
sale of disposable barbecues, this gift would still have been a legal product.
On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 14:18:13 +0100, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>
wrote:
Costing the Earth - Litter
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0742d31
And then please sign this petition. There isn't enough space in the
world for 8bn people disposing anything at all, let something as
ill-conceived as disposable BBQs.
The worst examples of careless waste must be open air rock festivals.
I've never had the tiniest inclination to go to one, but I've seen the aftermath pictures on newspapers' websites, and it's absolutely
appalling how much potentially useful camping gear is discarded,
presumably because the people who brought it can't be arsed to take it
home and clean it.
I'm sure they do, but it shouldn't be needed. How difficult is it to
put rubbish in a bin instead of leaving it on the grass, and what's
wrong with people that makes them abandon perfectly good tents,
camping chairs etc instead of taking them home to use again?
On 16/08/2022 11:59, David Woolley wrote:yes, have a look at this https://tinytask.pro/
In practice, I'm not sure what enabling legislation there is that would allow the sale to be banned. You are only going to get a government banIt is also quite difficult to frame a Statutory Instrument that is
if there is an Act of Parliament that authorises the creation of
statutory instruments to ban the sale of relevant classes of product.
immune from circumventions.
For instance, many years ago I ordered some things by mail order and
because the total order value was above a threshold I also got what was advertised as a "mystery gift", which in my case was a disposable
barbecue. Even if there had been legislation at the time banning the
sale of disposable barbecues, this gift would still have been a legal product.
Jim
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