I am waiting for the bedroom to cool down enough to sleep in and the 11
o/c BBC news is coming from Singapore. Is this a new normal? The news
"stars" like Hugh Edwards and Fiona Bruce only do half hour stints
nowadays, couldn't they work a bit longer for our money?
On 11 Aug 2022 22:09:01 GMT, "Jeff Gaines"
<jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
I am waiting for the bedroom to cool down enough to sleep in and the 11
o/c BBC news is coming from Singapore. Is this a new normal? The news >>"stars" like Hugh Edwards and Fiona Bruce only do half hour stints >>nowadays, couldn't they work a bit longer for our money?
Yes, Newsday since 2011.
See <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newsday_(TV_programme)>
Yes, Newsday since 2011.
I am waiting for the bedroom to cool down enough to sleep in and the 11
o/c BBC news is coming from Singapore. Is this a new normal? The news
"stars" like Hugh Edwards and Fiona Bruce only do half hour stints
nowadays, couldn't they work a bit longer for our money?
On 11/08/2022 23:09, Jeff Gaines wrote:
The news
"stars" like Hugh Edwards and Fiona Bruce only do half hour stints nowadays, couldn't they work a bit longer for our money?
Compare that with footballers who get paid huge sums for only working
for 90 minutes (more likely less than that most weeks) every week for
part of the year.
On 11/08/2022 23:09, Jeff Gaines wrote:
The news
"stars" like Hugh Edwards and Fiona Bruce only do half hour stints >>nowadays, couldn't they work a bit longer for our money?
Compare that with footballers who get paid huge sums for only working for
90 minutes (more likely less than that most weeks) every week for part of
the year.
On 11/08/2022 23:09, Jeff Gaines wrote:
The news
"stars" like Hugh Edwards and Fiona Bruce only do half hour stints
nowadays, couldn't they work a bit longer for our money?
Compare that with footballers who get paid huge sums for only working
for 90 minutes (more likely less than that most weeks) every week for
part of the year.
The news
"stars" like Hugh Edwards and Fiona Bruce only do half hour stints
nowadays, couldn't they work a bit longer for our money?
On 12/08/2022 in message <td59vn$2fr24$1@dont-email.me> MB wrote:
On 11/08/2022 23:09, Jeff Gaines wrote:
The news
"stars" like Hugh Edwards and Fiona Bruce only do half hour stints
nowadays, couldn't they work a bit longer for our money?
Compare that with footballers who get paid huge sums for only working for
90 minutes (more likely less than that most weeks) every week for part of
the year.
Indeed but they're not paid from the BBC tax.
I think they also work at training during the week.
They are to some extent as the BBC pays for Match of the Day.
Indeed but they're not paid from the BBC tax.
On 12/08/2022 11:51, charles wrote:
I think they also work at training during the week.
Compare with real athletes who train hard for many hours every day but I
was just responding to the usual suggestions that newsreaders only
arrive in the studio minutes before going on the air.
On 12/08/2022 in message <td59vn$2fr24$1@dont-email.me> MB wrote:
On 11/08/2022 23:09, Jeff Gaines wrote:
The news
"stars" like Hugh Edwards and Fiona Bruce only do half hour stints
nowadays, couldn't they work a bit longer for our money?
Compare that with footballers who get paid huge sums for only working
for 90 minutes (more likely less than that most weeks) every week for
part of the year.
Indeed but they're not paid from the BBC tax.
When I used to take parties of visitors round TV Centre we often went to
the News studios. In those day, the presnters spent a long time in the
studio reading the script, checking pronunciation, etc, before the actual transmission.
In article <td5h5u$2gg33$1@dont-email.me>,
MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
On 12/08/2022 11:51, charles wrote:
I think they also work at training during the week.
Compare with real athletes who train hard for many hours every day but I
was just responding to the usual suggestions that newsreaders only
arrive in the studio minutes before going on the air.
When I used to take parties of visitors round TV Centre we often went to
the News studios. In those day, the presnters spent a long time in the
studio reading the script, checking pronunciation, etc, before the actual transmission.
"charles" <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote in message news:5a16cf0a64charles@candehope.me.uk...
In article <td5h5u$2gg33$1@dont-email.me>,
 MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
On 12/08/2022 11:51, charles wrote:
I think they also work at training during the week.
Compare with real athletes who train hard for many hours every day but I >>> was just responding to the usual suggestions that newsreaders only
arrive in the studio minutes before going on the air.
When I used to take parties of visitors round TV Centre we often went to
the News studios. In those day, the presnters spent a long time in the
studio reading the script, checking pronunciation, etc, before the actual
transmission.
Do modern newsreaders do any actual research into stories that they
read, or are they always reading someone else's words nowadays?
As regards the pronunciations of foreign names, I remember reading a
lovely story about a newsreader (maybe Jan Leeming or Angela Rippon,
though I could be completely wrong) who bemoaned that they had spent
ages practising the pronunciation of a foreign politician's/president's
name, and the first time they had a story about the person was to say "X
has been assassinated" - so that was the one and only time that they
would probably ever say the hard-practised name ;-)
I am waiting for the bedroom to cool down enough to sleep in and the 11
o/c BBC news is coming from Singapore. Is this a new normal?
The news
"stars" like Hugh Edwards and Fiona Bruce only do half hour stints
nowadays, couldn't they work a bit longer for our money?
--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
I've been through the desert on a horse with no name.
It was a right bugger to get him back when he ran off.
On 11/08/2022 23:09, Jeff Gaines wrote:
The newsCompare that with footballers who get paid huge sums for only working
"stars" like Hugh Edwards and Fiona Bruce only do half hour stints nowadays, couldn't they work a bit longer for our money?
for 90 minutes (more likely less than that most weeks) every week for
part of the year.
On 13/08/2022 12:59, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
Notwithstanding [...] your prejudice against Asian presenters,
It isn't prejudice. It's just that I like the news to be read by someone
who doesn't have a foreign accent.
Bill
On Sat 13/08/2022 20:42, williamwright wrote:
On 13/08/2022 12:59, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
Notwithstanding [...] your prejudice against Asian presenters,
It isn't prejudice. It's just that I like the news to be read by
someone who doesn't have a foreign accent.
Bill
or better still by someone who's first language is English (UK)
Notwithstanding [...] your prejudice against Asian presenters,
One week I remember the Australian presenter (male) reading out a
request for someone who lived at
Bury Street
Edmonds
Suffolk.
or better still by someone who's first language is English (UK)
On Sat 13/08/2022 20:42, williamwright wrote:
On 13/08/2022 12:59, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
Notwithstanding [...] your prejudice against Asian presenters,
It isn't prejudice. It's just that I like the news to be read by
someone who doesn't have a foreign accent.
Bill
or better still by someone who's first language is English (UK)
Notwithstanding any rate differences or your prejudice against Asian >presenters
On 13/08/2022 12:59, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
Notwithstanding [...] your prejudice against Asian presenters,
It isn't prejudice. It's just that I like the news to be read by someone
who doesn't have a foreign accent.
Bill
On 13/08/2022 in message
<77cccaa6-5cd0-4983...@googlegroups.com> R. Mark Clayton
wrote:
Notwithstanding any rate differences or your prejudice against Asian >presentersRude and arrogant as ever and now happy to suggest I am racist.
--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
There are 3 types of people in this world. Those who can count, and those
who can't.
I am afraid you are Bill and I claim my five pounds. Two of the most eloquent speakers I know were schooled in Nigeria.
I would rather have the news read out in RP by an eloquent Asian lady in Singapore than incomprehensible dialect by a gruff Tyke with a thick Yorkshire accent (e.g. Barnsley).
"Yorkshire places with accents so strong you may need a translator. Plus the town where even born and bred Tykes struggle to understand the locals"
https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/local-news/yorkshire-places-accents-strong-you-19391640
Probably the hardest UK accent for most Brits is Glaswegian, to the extent that Rab C. Nesbitt had subtitles, however I didn't need them having be brought up in Scotland.
The only one I can't understand at all is Byker (strong Geordie) and Geordie is about the only accent I can't do after a little practice.
On Saturday, 13 August 2022 at 20:42:08 UTC+1, wrightsaerials@aol.com wrote:
On 13/08/2022 12:59, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
Notwithstanding [...] your prejudice against Asian presenters,
It isn't prejudice. It's just that I like the news to be read by someone
who doesn't have a foreign accent.
Bill
I am afraid you are Bill and I claim my five pounds. Two of the most eloquent speakers I know were schooled in Nigeria.
I would rather have the news read out in RP by an eloquent Asian lady in Singapore than incomprehensible dialect by a gruff Tyke with a thick Yorkshire accent (e.g. Barnsley).
"Yorkshire places with accents so strong you may need a translator. Plus the town where even born and bred Tykes struggle to understand the locals"
https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/local-news/yorkshire-places-accents-strong-you-19391640
Probably the hardest UK accent for most Brits is Glaswegian, to the extent that Rab C. Nesbitt had subtitles, however I didn't need them having be brought up in Scotland.
The only one I can't understand at all is Byker (strong Geordie) and Geordie is about the only accent I can't do after a little practice.
On 14/08/2022 11:36, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
I am afraid you are Bill and I claim my five pounds. Two of the most
eloquent speakers I know were schooled in Nigeria.
I would rather have the news read out in RP by an eloquent Asian lady in
Singapore than incomprehensible dialect by a gruff Tyke with a thick
Yorkshire accent (e.g. Barnsley).
"Yorkshire places with accents so strong you may need a translator.
Plus the town where even born and bred Tykes struggle to understand the locals"
https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/local-news/yorkshire-places-accents-strong-you-19391640
Probably the hardest UK accent for most Brits is Glaswegian, to the
extent that Rab C. Nesbitt had subtitles, however I didn't need them
having be brought up in Scotland.
The only one I can't understand at all is Byker (strong Geordie) and
Geordie is about the only accent I can't do after a little practice.
When I worked near Newcastle, I kept being asked if I could understand
people but never had any difficulty and actually found it quite a
pleasant accent.
There are obviously various "Glasgow" accents but I have found any
difficulty in understanding is usually because of a tendence to mumble
rather than just the accent (often caused by being drunk).
My dentist's name is Indian, but she was born in the UK and speaks perfect English.
The Glasgow accent thing is overdone. Rab C Nesbitt is overdone for effect.
I live in the East Midlands but visit Glasgow regularly. I have absolutely
no problem with understanding anyone. Extreme regional accents have
probably been dulled by the decline in heavy industry where people left school early and stayed in tightly knit communities for life. The only UK place where I’ve really struggled was dealing with an aged hotel keeper on Orkney some 30 years ago.
On 14/08/2022 12:56, Tweed wrote:
The Glasgow accent thing is overdone. Rab C Nesbitt is overdone for >>effect.
I live in the East Midlands but visit Glasgow regularly. I have absolutely >> no problem with understanding anyone. Extreme regional accents have
probably been dulled by the decline in heavy industry where people left
school early and stayed in tightly knit communities for life. The only UK
place where I’ve really struggled was dealing with an aged hotel keeper on >> Orkney some 30 years ago.
My ex-wife never could stand Rab C Nesbitt precisely because she
couldn't understand what was being said. For myself, I never had any
problem with it, or indeed most Scottish accents. However, there is
one local here with a very twisted twang who I do struggle to
understand, and ...
https://www.macfh.co.uk/Macfarlane/Reminiscences/Accents.html
The only UK
place where I’ve really struggled was dealing with an aged hotel keeper >>> on
Orkney some 30 years ago.
My ex-wife never could stand Rab C Nesbitt precisely because she couldn't >>understand what was being said. For myself, I never had any problem with >>it, or indeed most Scottish accents. However, there is one local here
with a very twisted twang who I do struggle to understand, and ...
https://www.macfh.co.uk/Macfarlane/Reminiscences/Accents.html
I've found that as I get older I seem to struggle more and more with
strong accents of any variety. I don't think it's a problem with my
hearing, more that my brain has become less good at processing audio
input.
I remember one celebrated occasion when there was a "Kick Off Day" to motivate the staff
"John Hall" <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote in message news:li3jobBkEW+iFwlY@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk...
The only UK
place where I’ve really struggled was dealing with an aged hotel keeper >>>> on
Orkney some 30 years ago.
Interesting because I find the Scottish Highlands accent and the Orcadian accent a lot easier to understand than an "industrial" accent such as Glaswegian or Ayrshire. I found Jimmy Knapp (BR trade unionist) very difficult to understand in some news interviews, though in fairness, background noise and distortion through a megaphone at union meetings
doesn't help ;-)
My ex-wife never could stand Rab C Nesbitt precisely because she couldn't >>> understand what was being said. For myself, I never had any problem with >>> it, or indeed most Scottish accents. However, there is one local here
with a very twisted twang who I do struggle to understand, and ...
https://www.macfh.co.uk/Macfarlane/Reminiscences/Accents.html
I've found that as I get older I seem to struggle more and more with
strong accents of any variety. I don't think it's a problem with my
hearing, more that my brain has become less good at processing audio
input.
The company I used to work with had associations with Nokia in Finland.
On 14/08/2022 11:36 am, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
On Saturday, 13 August 2022 at 20:42:08 UTC+1, wrightsaerials@aol.com
wrote:
On 13/08/2022 12:59, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
Notwithstanding [...] your prejudice against Asian presenters,
It isn't prejudice. It's just that I like the news to be read by someone >>> who doesn't have a foreign accent.
Bill
I am afraid you are Bill and I claim my five pounds. Two of the most
eloquent speakers I know were schooled in Nigeria.
I would rather have the news read out in RP by an eloquent Asian lady in
Singapore than incomprehensible dialect by a gruff Tyke with a thick
Yorkshire accent (e.g. Barnsley).
"Yorkshire places with accents so strong you may need a translator. Plus
the town where even born and bred Tykes struggle to understand the
locals"
https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/local-news/yorkshire-places-accents-strong-you-19391640
Probably the hardest UK accent for most Brits is Glaswegian, to the
extent that Rab C. Nesbitt had subtitles, however I didn't need them
having be brought up in Scotland.
As I recall, the subtitles for RCN were written in scrupulously correct slang-free Standard English as regards spelling (for correct pronunciation where the audio varied from that) and for idiomatic usage.
The only one I can't understand at all is Byker (strong Geordie) and
Geordie is about the only accent I can't do after a little practice.
One week I remember the Australian presenter (male) reading out a
request for someone who lived at
Bury Street
Edmonds
Suffolk.
Then I watched an episode of Saving lives at sea. One was a very northern Scottish town, and I never understood a word of what was being said, but everyone in the item of course did.
Some of us will remember working with Hari Parmar (Visnews, Reuters,
BBC), who was I believe from an Indian family expelled from Uganda by
Idi Amin. His grasp of English was absolutely first class. He was also a
very kind and considerate chap and it was knowing him that made me
realise fully that you can't judge a person by the colour of their skin.
Bill
On 14/08/2022 22:59, NY wrote:
"John Hall" <john_...@jhall.co.uk> wrote in message
I got chatting to a guy from South Korea. He was very pleasant and spoke good English, but when I said something he took quite a time to reply
each time. I said that I was puzzled by the long response, as he spoke
good English. His reply was that he heard what I said in English,
translated it into Korean in his head, formulated the reply in Korean,
and then translated that back into the English which came as the spoken reply.
Back to to accents. I said to him that the only word I knew in Korean
was "Hyundai". He looked very puzzled and asked me to repeat it, which I did. It made no difference, so I said it was the car made in Korea.
After a pause (for his internal translations), he replied with a laugh
(and I use the phonetic reply), "Ah, (H)Yoonday"! The "h" was more an outgoing breath than a sound.
Interestingly, there are various pronunciations on the internet. The
Wiki pronunciation is <https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/%ED%98%84%EB%8C%80%EC%9E%90%EB%8F%99%EC%B0%A8.ogg>
"How to pronounce" is at <https://www.howtopronounce.com/hyundai>
But the nearest to the one I heard all those years ago is this: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTM1jF5fs4g>
--
Jeff
On 12/08/2022 13:27, Tweed wrote:
They are to some extent as the BBC pays for Match of the Day.
Even the other games rely on the public paying subscriptions and
watching adverts as well as a few buying tickets.
One place where I work had employed a consultant who was a Greek
Cypriot. His accent and use of normal English was faultless, but he gave
away the fact that English wasn't his first language when he tried colloquialisms. I rather enjoyed his suggestion that "we can throw one
stone at two pigeons".
On 13/08/2022 20:54, Woody wrote:
It's 12 o'clock Greenwich. Mean time here is the news.......
One week I remember the Australian presenter (male) reading out a
request for someone who lived at
Bury Street
Edmonds
Suffolk.
In message <jluh4f...@mid.individual.net>, Mark Carver <mark....@invalid.invalid> writes
On 13/08/2022 20:54, Woody wrote:
It's 12 o'clock Greenwich. Mean time here is the news.......
One week I remember the Australian presenter (male) reading out a >>request for someone who lived at
Bury Street
Edmonds
Suffolk.
One from the 1950s:
Here are the cricket scores. Yorkshire 342 - Hutton ill. I'm sorry, that should be Hutton 111.
On 13/08/2022 20:54, Woody wrote:
It's 12 o'clock Greenwich. Mean time here is the news.......
One week I remember the Australian presenter (male) reading out a
request for someone who lived at
Bury Street
Edmonds
Suffolk.
Yesterday one of the reports on the news was read in what I can only say
is Estuary English, I E Estewary, is how the word would sound.
Probably the hardest UK accent for most Brits is Glaswegian, to the extent that Rab C. Nesbitt had subtitles, however I didn't need them having be brought up in Scotland.
In article <ce27c455-4345-4b30-83ae-3f35fbe90d93n@googlegroups.com>, R.
Mark Clayton <notyalckram@gmail.com> wrote:
Probably the hardest UK accent for most Brits is Glaswegian, to the extent that Rab C. Nesbitt had subtitles, however I didn't need them having be brought up in Scotland.
The old East Neuk dialect could be a bit of a challenge. As may be some of Dundonian. Although the alleged Aberdonian, "Ye'll 've had yer tea before
ye came", was easy enough to decode. 8-]
Jim
In article <5a18c9b...@audiomisc.co.uk>,
Jim Lesurf <no...@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:
In article <ce27c455-4345-4b30...@googlegroups.com>, R.
Mark Clayton <notya...@gmail.com> wrote:
Probably the hardest UK accent for most Brits is Glaswegian, to the extent that Rab C. Nesbitt had subtitles, however I didn't need them having be brought up in Scotland.
The old East Neuk dialect could be a bit of a challenge. As may be some of Dundonian. Although the alleged Aberdonian, "Ye'll 've had yer tea before ye came", was easy enough to decode. 8-]
JimI understood that to be an Edinburgh line (now replaced with "but you'll be driving". According to Stanley Baxter, the Aberdeen one was that you were ushered into the front room, the table was groaning with food, beautifully cooked and very reasonably priced."
Probably the hardest UK accent for most Brits is Glaswegian
A colleague from Glasgow was always responsible for commissioning the
tannoy systems in new buildings, instead of "one, two. one, two" he had
a set piece very smutty limerick that he would recite ... he laid the
accent on a bit thicker than normal, so that most people in the building wouldn't *quite* grasp the words :-)
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