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  • BBC Four HD still AWOL on DVB-T2

    From Jim Lesurf@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 17 11:12:33 2022
    I still get the "BBC Four HD will be back soon" message on our DVT-T2 transmissions. Only currently available as SD on channel 231. Anyone know
    when this 'soon' will turn into 'now'? Annoying that it seems to be
    extending into the Proms.

    Jim

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  • From NY@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Mon Jul 18 10:02:51 2022
    "Andy Burns" <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote in message news:jjkl1eFht1U1@mid.individual.net...

    Jim Lesurf wrote:

    Anyone know when this 'soon' will turn into 'now'?

    I'm sure Mark will be along soon, but maybe he can't tell us?

    I think it seemed to be linked to the new centralised coding for BBC1 HD regions, if so it could be next year ...

    <https://rxtvinfo.com/2022/bbc-one-hd-regional-roll-out-delay>

    Shame COM7 didn't last longer to provide BBC Four HD until PSB3 was ready -
    or that PSB3 wasn't ready in time for the withdrawal of COM7 (two ways of looking at the same problem).

    A masterpiece of project planning - not!

    Since it's not happened, the least they could do is manage people's expectations and tell them "this is what we plan to do; this is roughly when
    it will be ready". "Soon" is utterly meaningless and insulting in its blandness. This week? This month? This year? Next year? The day after BBC
    Four closes down as a broadcast channel?

    I wonder what the original plans were - whether the gap was intended all
    along (but kept secret), or whether it was supposed to be a seamless
    transfer (like all other mux moves) but there is an unforeseen delay in procuring equipment and/or configuring it.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Jim Lesurf on Mon Jul 18 09:47:41 2022
    Jim Lesurf wrote:

    Anyone know when this 'soon' will turn into 'now'?

    I'm sure Mark will be along soon, but maybe he can't tell us?

    I think it seemed to be linked to the new centralised coding for BBC1 HD regions, if so it could be next year ...

    <https://rxtvinfo.com/2022/bbc-one-hd-regional-roll-out-delay>

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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to Jim Lesurf on Mon Jul 18 10:42:48 2022
    Who knows, I guess they will be hopingthat when it gets axed they did not actually have it working.
    Brian

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    "Jim Lesurf" <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote in message news:5a095d22dbnoise@audiomisc.co.uk...
    I still get the "BBC Four HD will be back soon" message on our DVT-T2
    transmissions. Only currently available as SD on channel 231. Anyone know when this 'soon' will turn into 'now'? Annoying that it seems to be
    extending into the Proms.

    Jim

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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to me@privacy.invalid on Mon Jul 18 10:44:57 2022
    Well whichever way you perceive it its general incompetence.


    Brian

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    Jim Lesurf wrote:

    Anyone know when this 'soon' will turn into 'now'?

    I'm sure Mark will be along soon, but maybe he can't tell us?

    I think it seemed to be linked to the new centralised coding for BBC1 HD
    regions, if so it could be next year ...

    <https://rxtvinfo.com/2022/bbc-one-hd-regional-roll-out-delay>

    Shame COM7 didn't last longer to provide BBC Four HD until PSB3 was
    ready - or that PSB3 wasn't ready in time for the withdrawal of COM7 (two ways of looking at the same problem).

    A masterpiece of project planning - not!

    Since it's not happened, the least they could do is manage people's expectations and tell them "this is what we plan to do; this is roughly
    when it will be ready". "Soon" is utterly meaningless and insulting in its blandness. This week? This month? This year? Next year? The day after BBC Four closes down as a broadcast channel?

    I wonder what the original plans were - whether the gap was intended all along (but kept secret), or whether it was supposed to be a seamless
    transfer (like all other mux moves) but there is an unforeseen delay in procuring equipment and/or configuring it.

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 18 11:05:25 2022
    On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 09:47:41 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
    wrote:


    Jim Lesurf wrote:

    Anyone know when this 'soon' will turn into 'now'?

    I'm sure Mark will be along soon, but maybe he can't tell us?

    I think it seemed to be linked to the new centralised coding for BBC1 HD >regions, if so it could be next year ...

    <https://rxtvinfo.com/2022/bbc-one-hd-regional-roll-out-delay>

    Does this affect Scotland, where BBC One Scotland already appears on
    HD? If not, why can't BBC Four HD be added to the tartan MUX now.

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to Scott on Mon Jul 18 11:35:05 2022
    On 18/07/2022 11:05, Scott wrote:
    Does this affect Scotland, where BBC One Scotland already appears on
    HD? If not, why can't BBC Four HD be added to the tartan MUX now.

    What would you remove to make room for it?

    BBC Alba occasionally has some interesting programmes for non-Gaelic
    speakers. Never watched BBC Scotland but I presume someone does.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Scott on Mon Jul 18 11:17:09 2022
    Scott wrote:

    Andy Burns wrote:

    Jim Lesurf wrote:

    Anyone know when this 'soon' will turn into 'now'?

    I think it seemed to be linked to the new centralised coding for BBC1 HD
    regions, if so it could be next year ...

    Does this affect Scotland

    Pretty sure Jim wouldn't be asking if it didn't.

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Mon Jul 18 12:31:07 2022
    On 18/07/2022 09:47, Andy Burns wrote:

    Jim Lesurf wrote:

    Anyone know when this 'soon' will turn into 'now'?

    I'm sure Mark will be along soon, but maybe he can't tell us?

    Hello. I don't know what the latest is, what I do gather is it's a bolt
    on to the project to expand all the BBC 1 and ITV English (and STV sub)
    regions to the PSB 3 mux, and that was announced to be running late some
    time ago. Original target was this autumn, but I think the Beeb said
    that had slipped. By the way I don't think ITV or STV have ever made an announcement about expanding their HD regions on PSB 3, so that's
    another way to manage expectations :-) ?!

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to Scott on Mon Jul 18 12:41:12 2022
    On 18/07/2022 12:34, Scott wrote:
    On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 11:35:05 +0100, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

    On 18/07/2022 11:05, Scott wrote:
    Does this affect Scotland, where BBC One Scotland already appears on
    HD? If not, why can't BBC Four HD be added to the tartan MUX now.
    What would you remove to make room for it?

    BBC Alba occasionally has some interesting programmes for non-Gaelic
    speakers. Never watched BBC Scotland but I presume someone does.

    BBC News to go. BBC Four to be squeezed into the main HD multiplex
    AIUI for whole UK. Can anyone clarify.
    Yes, this is old news. The BBC News Channel since COM 7 died on June
    30th has no HD outlet on Freeview. There are no plans at present to
    provide any for it.

    The BBC decided, given all the new modern super efficient codecs they
    are buying to allow the expansion of all BBC 1, ITV, and STV regions to
    be available in HD on PSB 3, that (because of those codecs) they could
    also shoehorn BBC 4 HD onto there too. For reasons not publicly known,
    they were unable to do that before the demise of COM 7, and we are still waiting for it to happen.

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  • From Tweed@21:1/5 to Scott on Mon Jul 18 11:43:10 2022
    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 11:17:09 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
    wrote:

    Scott wrote:

    Andy Burns wrote:

    Jim Lesurf wrote:

    Anyone know when this 'soon' will turn into 'now'?

    I think it seemed to be linked to the new centralised coding for BBC1 HD >>>> regions, if so it could be next year ...

    Does this affect Scotland

    Pretty sure Jim wouldn't be asking if it didn't.

    I didn't mean the absence of BBC Four HD (which certainly does affect Scotland). I meant having to wait for the upgrade that will allow BBC regions to be shown in HD (BBC One Scotland already is, so what are we waiting for?).


    Probably waiting for the kit to turn up. Electronic equipment of any sort,
    and especially the more sophisticated variety, is very hard to come by at
    the moment. Even high grade pcb material is in sort supply.

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to Scott on Mon Jul 18 12:43:36 2022
    On 18/07/2022 12:36, Scott wrote:
    On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 11:17:09 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
    wrote:

    Scott wrote:

    Andy Burns wrote:

    Jim Lesurf wrote:

    Anyone know when this 'soon' will turn into 'now'?
    I think it seemed to be linked to the new centralised coding for BBC1 HD >>>> regions, if so it could be next year ...
    Does this affect Scotland
    Pretty sure Jim wouldn't be asking if it didn't.

    I didn't mean the absence of BBC Four HD (which certainly does affect Scotland). I meant having to wait for the upgrade that will allow BBC regions to be shown in HD (BBC One Scotland already is, so what are we waiting for?).
    Because the existing equipment that runs PSB 3 is 12 years old, and is
    not modern enough to cope with the extra demands of adding BBC 4 (or any
    other HD channel) into the mux ?

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to MB@nospam.net on Mon Jul 18 12:34:31 2022
    On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 11:35:05 +0100, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

    On 18/07/2022 11:05, Scott wrote:
    Does this affect Scotland, where BBC One Scotland already appears on
    HD? If not, why can't BBC Four HD be added to the tartan MUX now.

    What would you remove to make room for it?

    BBC Alba occasionally has some interesting programmes for non-Gaelic >speakers. Never watched BBC Scotland but I presume someone does.

    BBC News to go. BBC Four to be squeezed into the main HD multiplex
    AIUI for whole UK. Can anyone clarify.

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to Tweed on Mon Jul 18 12:45:51 2022
    On 18/07/2022 12:43, Tweed wrote:

    Probably waiting for the kit to turn up. Electronic equipment of any sort, and especially the more sophisticated variety, is very hard to come by at
    the moment. Even high grade pcb material is in sort supply.

    Yep, some of the lead times are over 12 months at present for kit. Some manufacturers are simply not taking new orders at present

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 18 12:36:25 2022
    On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 11:17:09 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
    wrote:

    Scott wrote:

    Andy Burns wrote:

    Jim Lesurf wrote:

    Anyone know when this 'soon' will turn into 'now'?

    I think it seemed to be linked to the new centralised coding for BBC1 HD >>> regions, if so it could be next year ...

    Does this affect Scotland

    Pretty sure Jim wouldn't be asking if it didn't.

    I didn't mean the absence of BBC Four HD (which certainly does affect Scotland). I meant having to wait for the upgrade that will allow BBC
    regions to be shown in HD (BBC One Scotland already is, so what are we
    waiting for?).

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to mark.carver@invalid.invalid on Mon Jul 18 13:25:25 2022
    On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 12:43:36 +0100, Mark Carver
    <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 18/07/2022 12:36, Scott wrote:
    On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 11:17:09 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
    wrote:

    Scott wrote:

    Andy Burns wrote:

    Jim Lesurf wrote:

    Anyone know when this 'soon' will turn into 'now'?
    I think it seemed to be linked to the new centralised coding for BBC1 HD >>>>> regions, if so it could be next year ...
    Does this affect Scotland
    Pretty sure Jim wouldn't be asking if it didn't.

    I didn't mean the absence of BBC Four HD (which certainly does affect
    Scotland). I meant having to wait for the upgrade that will allow BBC
    regions to be shown in HD (BBC One Scotland already is, so what are we
    waiting for?).
    Because the existing equipment that runs PSB 3 is 12 years old, and is
    not modern enough to cope with the extra demands of adding BBC 4 (or any >other HD channel) into the mux ?

    Thanks for the clarification. This explains it.

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  • From williamwright@21:1/5 to Jim Lesurf on Tue Jul 19 03:31:52 2022
    On 17/07/2022 11:12, Jim Lesurf wrote:
    I still get the "BBC Four HD will be back soon" message on our DVT-T2 transmissions. Only currently available as SD on channel 231. Anyone know when this 'soon' will turn into 'now'? Annoying that it seems to be
    extending into the Proms.

    Jim

    Because of that and the same issue with Quest I find I'm using Freesat a
    lot more.

    Bill

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  • From Jim Lesurf@21:1/5 to wrightsaerials@f2s.com on Tue Jul 19 09:49:35 2022
    In article <jjmjcpFa3r0U1@mid.individual.net>, williamwright <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:
    On 17/07/2022 11:12, Jim Lesurf wrote:
    I still get the "BBC Four HD will be back soon" message on our DVT-T2 transmissions. Only currently available as SD on channel 231. Anyone
    know when this 'soon' will turn into 'now'? Annoying that it seems to
    be extending into the Proms.

    Jim

    Because of that and the same issue with Quest I find I'm using Freesat a
    lot more.

    In general I just gip items from iPlayer. But in some cases prefer the TX,
    and useful for 'live'. However in the main I guess BBC4 doesn't 'do
    live'... except for a few Proms... which also more often are recorded and
    then broadcast later.

    Jim

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