My Sony ICF-7600D is showing signs of its age as only one of the two
'tone' settings works. I need to be thinking of a replacement.
I only listen to BBC4 or LBC when I am getting ready to tackle the day!
I am not interested in DAB as it seems to be accompanied by short
battery life. The ones I have looked at seem to last about ten hours and
that is too much hassle for an old soak like me.
The Sony is about the size and weight of two packs of cards. I really
don't want anything bigger or heavier.
Loudspeaker? Yes, decent volume for when I am shaving or boiling the
kettle for my early morning tea.
My Sony ICF-7600D is showing signs of its age as only one of the two
'tone' settings works. I need to be thinking of a replacement.
I only listen to BBC4 or LBC when I am getting ready to tackle the day!
I am not interested in DAB as it seems to be accompanied by short
battery life. The ones I have looked at seem to last about ten hours and
that is too much hassle for an old soak like me.
The Sony is about the size and weight of two packs of cards. I really
don't want anything bigger or heavier.
Loudspeaker? Yes, decent volume for when I am shaving or boiling the
kettle for my early morning tea.
Your suggestions please.
Tony
On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 10:21:11 +0100, Tony Gamble
<tonygamble@compuserve.com> wrote:
My Sony ICF-7600D is showing signs of its age as only one of the two
'tone' settings works. I need to be thinking of a replacement.
I only listen to BBC4 or LBC when I am getting ready to tackle the day!
I am not interested in DAB as it seems to be accompanied by short
battery life. The ones I have looked at seem to last about ten hours and
that is too much hassle for an old soak like me.
The Sony is about the size and weight of two packs of cards. I really
don't want anything bigger or heavier.
Loudspeaker? Yes, decent volume for when I am shaving or boiling the
kettle for my early morning tea.
Your suggestions please.
Tony
The Roberts Play 20 perhaps?
Small, powered by four AA cells either disposable or rechargeable, or directly from charger/PSU, FM and DAB, single built-in loudspeaker or
listen in stereo on headphones, rubber buffer covering all four edges
and no protruding control knobs to break off if you drop it.
The original has a small monochrome LC screen and five preset station buttons. (Five presets for each waveband). There is a later version
which has a colour screen and four preset buttons, though the
description claims 20 station presets, so I'm not sure how they
achieve that.
Rod.
A duff tone control sounds like an easy mend to me. It's only a slide
switch that adds a capacitor - probably a bad switch contact.
On 12/07/2022 19:33, Dave W wrote:
A duff tone control sounds like an easy mend to me. It's only a slide
switch that adds a capacitor - probably a bad switch contact.
Dave. Good shot. I was not going to mention it but the slider failed
after the last battery change. A day later it repaired itself so now
both settings are OK. It must have been what you suggested.
However, it is not going to work forever and my wife has a similar sized radio that she uses in the early morning and it will surely die sometime
so I need to know what is the best replacement.
Tony
On 13/07/2022 05:47, Tony Gamble wrote:
On 12/07/2022 19:33, Dave W wrote:
A duff tone control sounds like an easy mend to me. It's only a slide
switch that adds a capacitor - probably a bad switch contact.
Dave. Good shot. I was not going to mention it but the slider failed
after the last battery change. A day later it repaired itself so now
both settings are OK. It must have been what you suggested.
However, it is not going to work forever and my wife has a similar sized radio that she uses in the early morning and it will surely die sometime
so I need to know what is the best replacement.
Tony
Some Mobile phones actually come with FM radio onboard. Only really
usuable if you live in a strong signal area where an FM aerial is not needed.....
My Sony ICF-7600D is showing signs of its age as only one of the two
'tone' settings works. I need to be thinking of a replacement.
I only listen to BBC4 or LBC when I am getting ready to tackle the day!
I am not interested in DAB as it seems to be accompanied by short battery life. The ones I have looked at seem to last about ten hours and that is
too much hassle for an old soak like me.
The Sony is about the size and weight of two packs of cards. I really
don't want anything bigger or heavier.
Loudspeaker? Yes, decent volume for when I am shaving or boiling the
kettle for my early morning tea.
Your suggestions please.
Tony
On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 10:21:11 +0100, Tony Gamble
<tonygamble@compuserve.com> wrote:
My Sony ICF-7600D is showing signs of its age as only one of the two
'tone' settings works. I need to be thinking of a replacement.
I only listen to BBC4 or LBC when I am getting ready to tackle the day!
I am not interested in DAB as it seems to be accompanied by short
battery life. The ones I have looked at seem to last about ten hours and >>that is too much hassle for an old soak like me.
The Sony is about the size and weight of two packs of cards. I really
don't want anything bigger or heavier.
Loudspeaker? Yes, decent volume for when I am shaving or boiling the
kettle for my early morning tea.
Your suggestions please.
Tony
The Roberts Play 20 perhaps?
Small, powered by four AA cells either disposable or rechargeable, or directly from charger/PSU, FM and DAB, single built-in loudspeaker or
listen in stereo on headphones, rubber buffer covering all four edges
and no protruding control knobs to break off if you drop it.
The original has a small monochrome LC screen and five preset station buttons. (Five presets for each waveband). There is a later version
which has a colour screen and four preset buttons, though the
description claims 20 station presets, so I'm not sure how they
achieve that.
Rod.
In article <talkgg$29srd$1@dont-email.me>,
SH <i.love@spam.com> wrote:
On 13/07/2022 05:47, Tony Gamble wrote:
On 12/07/2022 19:33, Dave W wrote:
A duff tone control sounds like an easy mend to me. It's only a slide
switch that adds a capacitor - probably a bad switch contact.
Dave. Good shot. I was not going to mention it but the slider failed
after the last battery change. A day later it repaired itself so now
both settings are OK. It must have been what you suggested.
However, it is not going to work forever and my wife has a similar
sized
radio that she uses in the early morning and it will surely die
sometime
so I need to know what is the best replacement.
Tony
Some Mobile phones actually come with FM radio onboard. Only really
usuable if you live in a strong signal area where an FM aerial is not
needed.....
The headphone lead is the aerial
--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle
Almost anything, then with no DAB. I don't know specific models, but an old design analogue tuned ones batteries last seemingly for ever. Also of course the size of said batteries is important. Try to find one using double As, I find the triple a sets very likely to go down pretty fast.
Brian
In article <talkgg$29srd$1@dont-email.me>,
SH <i.love@spam.com> wrote:
On 13/07/2022 05:47, Tony Gamble wrote:
On 12/07/2022 19:33, Dave W wrote:
A duff tone control sounds like an easy mend to me. It's only a slide
switch that adds a capacitor - probably a bad switch contact.
Dave. Good shot. I was not going to mention it but the slider failed
after the last battery change. A day later it repaired itself so now
both settings are OK. It must have been what you suggested.
However, it is not going to work forever and my wife has a similar sized >>> radio that she uses in the early morning and it will surely die sometime >>> so I need to know what is the best replacement.
Some Mobile phones actually come with FM radio onboard. Only really
usuable if you live in a strong signal area where an FM aerial is not
needed.....
The headphone lead is the aerial
No neither am I but I'd dispute the battery life on dry cells if you use dab. It is however very sensitive on fm and dab and having the stereo for phones can be handy, but if you don't need that some of the lesser known fm only radios with knobs are fine.
...usually. ("Modern" phones don't [have] an FM tuner at all as it is so
five years ago.)
And then you need a proper speaker, wired or Bluetooth.
Or https://www.argos.co.uk/product/8242303 if you don't mind Bush stuff. >(Some of their stuff is good.) Both are available in black or white.
It has that soft furry matt finish that might be appealing
to some when new, but it has gone tacky with age and is horrible even
to touch.
On 13/07/2022 09:59, Brian Gaff wrote:
No neither am I but I'd dispute the battery life on dry cells if you use >> dab. It is however very sensitive on fm and dab and having the stereo
for
phones can be handy, but if you don't need that some of the lesser
known fm
only radios with knobs are fine.
This one even has long wave:
https://www.argos.co.uk/product/8883205
usuable if you live in a strong signal area where an FM aerial is not needed.....
On 13/07/2022 09:55, Brian Gaff wrote:
Almost anything, then with no DAB. I don't know specific models, but an
old
design analogue tuned ones batteries last seemingly for ever. Also of
course
the size of said batteries is important. Try to find one using double As,
I
find the triple a sets very likely to go down pretty fast.
Brian
Though I suspect that many analogue radios now use "digits" in the
decoding. I used to notice that one of mine had a slight delay when an
older radio (presume true analogue) radio could also be heard.
I think my Roberts Stream 94i runs several hours on battery, I keep
meaning to check it! I tend to only use that now, my two old Pure radios probably destined for the dump.
On 13/07/2022 06:17, SH wrote:
 Only really
usuable if you live in a strong signal area where an FM aerial is not
needed.....
And a mobile phone with a speaker loud enough to listen to against the
noise of a boiling kettle or a shower.
Come off it. I want a wireless not a scratchy amplified phone.
Tony
On 13/07/2022 15:05, Tony Gamble wrote:
On 13/07/2022 06:17, SH wrote:
  Only really
usuable if you live in a strong signal area where an FM aerial is not
needed.....
And a mobile phone with a speaker loud enough to listen to against the
noise of a boiling kettle or a shower.
Come off it. I want a wireless not a scratchy amplified phone.
A wireless? Oooh that takes me back a long time!
I remebre Mullard PCL86 valves and having to run an earth wire from the wireless set to an external earth stake.... oh and that cats whisker
that was used as a tuning aid.....
On 13/07/2022 16:40, SH wrote:
I remember Mullard PCL86 valves
In a radio? I remember the PC series valves in TVs but all the
radios I have seen used the EC series of valves.
Jim
I remember Mullard PCL86 valves
Indy Jess John wrote:
On 13/07/2022 16:40, SH wrote:
I remember Mullard PCL86 valves
In a radio? I remember the PC series valves in TVs but all the
radios I have seen used the EC series of valves.
Jim
Portable radios used valves begining with D (1.4v heaters)
--
On 13/07/2022 16:40, SH wrote:
On 13/07/2022 15:05, Tony Gamble wrote:
On 13/07/2022 06:17, SH wrote:
  Only really
usuable if you live in a strong signal area where an FM aerial is
not needed.....
And a mobile phone with a speaker loud enough to listen to against
the noise of a boiling kettle or a shower.
Come off it. I want a wireless not a scratchy amplified phone.
A wireless? Oooh that takes me back a long time!
No, "wireless" is modern, as in Wi-Fi.
I remember Mullard PCL86 valves and having to run an earth wire from
the wireless set to an external earth stake.... oh and that cats
whisker that was used as a tuning aid.....
So many wrong things in that sentence...
On 13/07/2022 15:05, Tony Gamble wrote:
On 13/07/2022 06:17, SH wrote:
Only really
usuable if you live in a strong signal area where an FM aerial is not
needed.....
And a mobile phone with a speaker loud enough to listen to against the
noise of a boiling kettle or a shower.
Come off it. I want a wireless not a scratchy amplified phone.
Tony
A wireless? Oooh that takes me back a long time!
I remebre Mullard PCL86 valves and having to run an earth wire from the >wireless set to an external earth stake.... oh and that cats whisker
that was used as a tuning aid.....
On 13/07/2022 09:55, Brian Gaff wrote:
Almost anything, then with no DAB. I don't know specific models, but an old >> design analogue tuned ones batteries last seemingly for ever. Also of course >> the size of said batteries is important. Try to find one using double As, I >> find the triple a sets very likely to go down pretty fast.
Brian
Though I suspect that many analogue radios now use "digits" in the
decoding. I used to notice that one of mine had a slight delay when an
older radio (presume true analogue) radio could also be heard.
I think my Roberts Stream 94i runs several hours on battery, I keep
meaning to check it! I tend to only use that now, my two old Pure
radios probably destined for the dump.
On 13/07/2022 13:57, Max Demian wrote:
On 13/07/2022 09:59, Brian Gaff wrote:
No neither am I but I'd dispute the battery life on dry cells if you use >>> dab. It is however very sensitive on fm and dab and having the stereo
for
phones can be handy, but if you don't need that some of the lesser
known fm
only radios with knobs are fine.
This one even has long wave:
https://www.argos.co.uk/product/8883205
Wow.... is ther *anything* left on LW?
Last I heard was that Droitwich LW will close when the last Klystron
dies as they are very ikd technology and getting harder to repair or >replace....
In article <tamiqv$2cnaa$1@dont-email.me>, SH <i.love@spam.com> scribeth
thus
On 13/07/2022 13:57, Max Demian wrote:
On 13/07/2022 09:59, Brian Gaff wrote:
No neither am I but I'd dispute the battery life on dry cells if you use >>>> dab. It is however very sensitive on fm and dab and having the stereo >>>> for
phones can be handy, but if you don't need that some of the lesser
known fm
only radios with knobs are fine.
This one even has long wave:
https://www.argos.co.uk/product/8883205
Wow.... is ther *anything* left on LW?
Last I heard was that Droitwich LW will close when the last Klystron
dies as they are very ikd technology and getting harder to repair or
replace....
Klystron eh? At Droitwich, do tell us more;?...
"Wireless" describes the receiver. "Radio" describes the transmitter.
Both are correct, and both must exist for either to be useful.
On 13/07/2022 17:14, Max Demian wrote:
On 13/07/2022 16:40, SH wrote:
On 13/07/2022 15:05, Tony Gamble wrote:
On 13/07/2022 06:17, SH wrote:
  Only really
usuable if you live in a strong signal area where an FM aerial is
not needed.....
And a mobile phone with a speaker loud enough to listen to against
the noise of a boiling kettle or a shower.
Come off it. I want a wireless not a scratchy amplified phone.
A wireless? Oooh that takes me back a long time!
No, "wireless" is modern, as in Wi-Fi.
I think you are showing your age here as a Gen Z :-))
"Wireless" to me is a colloquialism refers to a specific generation of
radios that was based on vacuum valve technology or older tech to
recieve MW, LW, Sometimes SW and somwetimes FM like these:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=vintage+wireless+valve+radios&atb=v314-1&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images
Ths would be from around early 1900s to probably the 1950s when
Shockley, Brittain and Bardeen invented the transistorin 1948.
Now Wi Fi, means to me the transmission of digital data rather than
audio modulated ont o a FM or AM carrier and Wi Fi operates on 2.4 GHz
or 5 GHz, which is much higher frequencies than FM/AM/LW/MW/SW.
I remember Mullard PCL86 valves and having to run an earth wire from
the wireless set to an external earth stake.... oh and that cats
whisker that was used as a tuning aid.....
So many wrong things in that sentence...
Cats Whisker: http://vintageradio.me.uk/crystal/catswhisker.htm
https://rileyjshaw.com/blog/the-cats-whisker-detector
Re the Mullard PCL86 I was alomost there-ish
http://www.r-type.org/exhib/aai0028.htm
Its used in the audio stages of a TV reciever so yes, this tyype of
valve was seen in TVs rather than in radios.
The one I can't explain is "wi-fi". It seems to have taken hold as the
term everybody now understands for wireless when used with computer networking signals, but where did such a peculiar expression come
from? Maybe words don't have logical derivations any more. Maybe
somebody used it once and just liked the sound of it and it stuck. If
anybody knows a definitive explanation I'd be interested.
The one I can't explain is "wi-fi". It seems to have taken hold as the
term everybody now understands for wireless when used with computer networking signals, but where did such a peculiar expression come
from? Maybe words don't have logical derivations any more. Maybe
somebody used it once and just liked the sound of it and it stuck. If
anybody knows a definitive explanation I'd be interested.
On 14/07/2022 09:29, tony sayer wrote:
In article <tamiqv$2cnaa$1@dont-email.me>, SH <i.love@spam.com> scribeth
thus
On 13/07/2022 13:57, Max Demian wrote:
On 13/07/2022 09:59, Brian Gaff wrote:
No neither am I but I'd dispute the battery life on dry cells if
you use
dab. It is however very sensitive on fm and dab and having the
stereo
for
phones can be handy, but if you don't need that some of the lesser
known fm
only radios with knobs are fine.
This one even has long wave:
https://www.argos.co.uk/product/8883205
Wow.... is ther *anything* left on LW?
Last I heard was that Droitwich LW will close when the last Klystron
dies as they are very ikd technology and getting harder to repair or
replace....
Klystron eh? At Droitwich, do tell us more;?...
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2011/oct/09/bbc-radio4-long-wave-goodbye
Its definately valves, I seem to recall Thyratrons or klystrons
mentioned elsewhere and probably due to sloppy journailism :-)
The popular terms just seem to have been a matter of changing fashion
over the years. Originally there were "wireless telegraphy" and
"wireless telephony" to distinguish them from the previous inventions
that used wires to convey the information, and later it became usual
to abbreviate them.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2011/oct/09/bbc-radio4-long-wave-goodbye
Its definately valves, I seem to recall Thyratrons or klystrons
mentioned elsewhere and probably due to sloppy journailism:-)
The popular terms just seem to have been a matter of changing fashion
over the years.
Can you not find a half decent Grundig on fleabay?, got and old Elite
boy out in the shed OK runs off the mains adapter but they were very
good in their day and even now would knock the crap out of more modern units!...
In article <tamp1b$2dcpv$1@dont-email.me>, SH <i.love@spam.com> scribeth
thus
A wireless? Oooh that takes me back a long time!
I remebre Mullard PCL86 valves and having to run an earth wire from the
wireless set to an external earth stake.... oh and that cats whisker
that was used as a tuning aid.....
A "P" CL used in a mains radio, seems odd?...
On 13/07/2022 17:14, Max Demian wrote:
On 13/07/2022 16:40, SH wrote:
On 13/07/2022 15:05, Tony Gamble wrote:
On 13/07/2022 06:17, SH wrote:
  Only really
usuable if you live in a strong signal area where an FM aerial is
not needed.....
And a mobile phone with a speaker loud enough to listen to against
the noise of a boiling kettle or a shower.
Come off it. I want a wireless not a scratchy amplified phone.
A wireless? Oooh that takes me back a long time!
No, "wireless" is modern, as in Wi-Fi.
I think you are showing your age here as a Gen Z :-))
"Wireless" to me is a colloquialism refers to a specific generation of
radios that was based on vacuum valve technology or older tech to
recieve MW, LW, Sometimes SW and somwetimes FM like these:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=vintage+wireless+valve+radios&atb=v314-1&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images
Ths would be from around early 1900s to probably the 1950s when
Shockley, Brittain and Bardeen invented the transistorin 1948.
Now Wi Fi, means to me the transmission of digital data rather than
audio modulated ont o a FM or AM carrier and Wi Fi operates on 2.4 GHz
or 5 GHz, which is much higher frequencies than FM/AM/LW/MW/SW.
I remember Mullard PCL86 valves and having to run an earth wire from
the wireless set to an external earth stake.... oh and that cats
whisker that was used as a tuning aid.....
So many wrong things in that sentence...
Cats Whisker: http://vintageradio.me.uk/crystal/catswhisker.htm
https://rileyjshaw.com/blog/the-cats-whisker-detector
Re the Mullard PCL86 I was alomost there-ish
http://www.r-type.org/exhib/aai0028.htm
Its used in the audio stages of a TV reciever so yes, this tyype of
valve was seen in TVs rather than in radios.
On 14/07/2022 09:43, SH wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2011/oct/09/bbc-radio4-long-wave-goodbye >>
Its definately valves, I seem to recall Thyratrons or klystrons
mentioned elsewhere and probably due to sloppy journailism:-)
I would not class a tabloid like The Grauniad as a reliable source!
Come off it. I want a wireless not a scratchy amplified phone.
On 14/07/2022 09:32, tony sayer wrote:
Can you not find a half decent Grundig on fleabay?, got and old Elite
boy out in the shed OK runs off the mains adapter but they were very
good in their day and even now would knock the crap out of more modern
units!...
Any specific model to look for, Tony?
Must be battery.
Tony
"Wireless" describes the receiver. "Radio" describes the transmitter.
Both are correct, and both must exist for either to be useful.
On 14/07/2022 09:29, tony sayer wrote:
In article <tamiqv$2cnaa$1@dont-email.me>, SH <i.love@spam.com> scribeth
thus
On 13/07/2022 13:57, Max Demian wrote:
On 13/07/2022 09:59, Brian Gaff wrote:
No neither am I but I'd dispute the battery life on dry cells if you use >>>>> dab. It is however very sensitive on fm and dab and having the stereo >>>>> for
phones can be handy, but if you don't need that some of the lesser
known fm
only radios with knobs are fine.
This one even has long wave:
https://www.argos.co.uk/product/8883205
Wow.... is ther *anything* left on LW?
Last I heard was that Droitwich LW will close when the last Klystron
dies as they are very ikd technology and getting harder to repair or
replace....
Klystron eh? At Droitwich, do tell us more;?...
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2011/oct/09/bbc-radio4-long-wave-goodbye
Its definately valves, I seem to recall Thyratrons or klystrons
mentioned elsewhere and probably due to sloppy journailism :-)
On 14/07/2022 09:26, tony sayer wrote:
In article <tamp1b$2dcpv$1@dont-email.me>, SH <i.love@spam.com> scribeth
thus
A wireless? Oooh that takes me back a long time!
I remebre Mullard PCL86 valves and having to run an earth wire from the
wireless set to an external earth stake.... oh and that cats whisker
that was used as a tuning aid.....
A "P" CL used in a mains radio, seems odd?...
Yes, an AC/DC mains radio would chain the heaters but only require
100mA, not the 300mA ones that TVs used. And probably wouldn't need an
earth stake. And cats whiskers are used in an AM demodulator [1] not for >tuning.
[1] Often called the "detector" stage even in valve or transistor
radios, as it was first used to "detect" the presence of a carrier for
CW (Morse) transmissions.
On 14/07/2022 08:57, SH wrote:
On 13/07/2022 17:14, Max Demian wrote:
On 13/07/2022 16:40, SH wrote:
On 13/07/2022 15:05, Tony Gamble wrote:
On 13/07/2022 06:17, SH wrote:
Only really
usuable if you live in a strong signal area where an FM aerial is
not needed.....
And a mobile phone with a speaker loud enough to listen to against
the noise of a boiling kettle or a shower.
Come off it. I want a wireless not a scratchy amplified phone.
A wireless? Oooh that takes me back a long time!
No, "wireless" is modern, as in Wi-Fi.
I think you are showing your age here as a Gen Z :-))iax=images&ia=images
"Wireless" to me is a colloquialism refers to a specific generation of
radios that was based on vacuum valve technology or older tech to
recieve MW, LW, Sometimes SW and somwetimes FM like these:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=vintage+wireless+valve+radios&atb=v314-1&iar=images&
Ths would be from around early 1900s to probably the 1950s when
Shockley, Brittain and Bardeen invented the transistorin 1948.
"Wireless" originally included transmission through the ground by
burying metal plates - used in WW1 for communication between trenches.
--------| |--------
Transmitter Receiver
--------| |--------
This would be for Morse code.
I did try doing it once with audio; it did sort of work, but with
limited range and there was mains hum.
Wireless communication using Hertzian waves was "radio".
I had a yought boy with a few shortwave bands medium fm and long. Was very good.
Its definately valves, I seem to recall Thyratrons or klystrons
mentioned elsewhere and probably due to sloppy journailism :-)
Klystrons are only of use at UHF, (and the bottom end of SHF) ?
I assume you're taking for granted the above is only in the context of UK TV.:-) I've used klystrons that could be screw tuned up to 130 GHz! 8-]
Looks close to what I was hoping for.
With a battery life of UPTO 25 hours?
On 15/07/2022 10:38, Jim Lesurf wrote:
I assume you're taking for granted the above is only in the context of
UK TV.:-) I've used klystrons that could be screw tuned up to 130
GHz! 8-]
I doubt that you could get 40 KW out of them. :-)
On 13/07/2022 13:57, Max Demian wrote:
On 13/07/2022 09:59, Brian Gaff wrote:
No neither am I but I'd dispute the battery life on dry cells if
you use dab. It is however very sensitive on fm and dab and
having the stereo for phones can be handy, but if you don't need
that some of the lesser known fm only radios with knobs are
fine.
This one even has long wave:
https://www.argos.co.uk/product/8883205
Wow.... is ther *anything* left on LW?
Last I heard was that Droitwich LW will close when the last Klystron
dies as they are very ikd technology and getting harder to repair or
replace....
On 14/07/2022 09:29, tony sayer wrote:
In article <tamiqv$2cnaa$1@dont-email.me>, SH <i.love@spam.com>
scribeth thus
On 13/07/2022 13:57, Max Demian wrote:
On 13/07/2022 09:59, Brian Gaff wrote:
No neither am I but I'd dispute the battery life on dry
cells if you use dab. It is however very sensitive on fm and
dab and having the stereo for phones can be handy, but if
you don't need that some of the lesser known fm only radios
with knobs are fine.
This one even has long wave:
https://www.argos.co.uk/product/8883205
Wow.... is ther *anything* left on LW?
Last I heard was that Droitwich LW will close when the last
Klystron dies as they are very ikd technology and getting harder
to repair or replace....
Klystron eh? At Droitwich, do tell us more;?...
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2011/oct/09/bbc-radio4-long-wave-goodbye
Its definately valves, I seem to recall Thyratrons or klystrons
mentioned elsewhere and probably due to sloppy journailism :-)
far more than other long wave transmitters ???
Don't forget because of the shape and geology of the UK, there are three transmitters and even then there is not good complete coverage and not
very few people listen to Long Wave.
In article <te801i$3lnml$1@dont-email.me>, Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg @planet.nl> scribeth thus
Op 14-7-2022 om 10:43 schreef SH:
On 14/07/2022 09:29, tony sayer wrote:
In article <tamiqv$2cnaa$1@dont-email.me>, SH <i.love@spam.com>
scribeth thus
Last I heard was that Droitwich LW will close when the last
Klystron dies as they are very ikd technology and getting harder
to repair or replace....
Klystron eh? At Droitwich, do tell us more;?...
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2011/oct/09/bbc-radio4-long-wave-goodbye >>>
Its definately valves, I seem to recall Thyratrons or klystrons
mentioned elsewhere and probably due to sloppy journailism :-)
"Part of the problem is that pumping the signal so that it can cover
England, Wales and lowland Scotland requires 500 kilowatts of power, far
more - according to the BBC - than other long wave transmitters,"
far more than other long wave transmitters ???
500 kW ERP is (was) a normal power for longwave transmitters.
Europe had many higher power transmitters
for example:
Radio France 2000 kW (162 kHz)
RTL 2000 kW (234 kHz)
Europe 1 2000 kW (183 kHz)
etc.
not to speak about Northern Africa and the Middle East
where 2000kW is normal.
Its BBC polities Rink. More modern and efficient solid state
transmitters exist but its down to does the BBC want to carry on with
the Long wave outlet seems they don't, and any old excuse like "cant get
the valves" will make it politically easier to close it down!...
Op 14-7-2022 om 10:43 schreef SH:
On 14/07/2022 09:29, tony sayer wrote:
In article <tamiqv$2cnaa$1@dont-email.me>, SH <i.love@spam.com>
scribeth thus
On 13/07/2022 13:57, Max Demian wrote:
On 13/07/2022 09:59, Brian Gaff wrote:
No neither am I but I'd dispute the battery life on dry
cells if you use dab. It is however very sensitive on fm and
dab and having the stereo for phones can be handy, but if
you don't need that some of the lesser known fm only radios
with knobs are fine.
This one even has long wave:
https://www.argos.co.uk/product/8883205
Wow.... is ther *anything* left on LW?
Last I heard was that Droitwich LW will close when the last
Klystron dies as they are very ikd technology and getting harder
to repair or replace....
Klystron eh? At Droitwich, do tell us more;?...
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2011/oct/09/bbc-radio4-long-wave-goodbye >>
Its definately valves, I seem to recall Thyratrons or klystrons
mentioned elsewhere and probably due to sloppy journailism :-)
"Part of the problem is that pumping the signal so that it can cover
England, Wales and lowland Scotland requires 500 kilowatts of power, far
more - according to the BBC - than other long wave transmitters,"
far more than other long wave transmitters ???
500 kW ERP is (was) a normal power for longwave transmitters.
Europe had many higher power transmitters
for example:
Radio France 2000 kW (162 kHz)
RTL 2000 kW (234 kHz)
Europe 1 2000 kW (183 kHz)
etc.
not to speak about Northern Africa and the Middle East
where 2000kW is normal.
Rink
Do remember they have large land masses to cover that are very difficult
with FM and DAB..
In article <te801i$3lnml$1@dont-email.me>, Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg @planet.nl> scribeth thus
Op 14-7-2022 om 10:43 schreef SH:
On 14/07/2022 09:29, tony sayer wrote:
In article <tamiqv$2cnaa$1@dont-email.me>, SH <i.love@spam.com>
scribeth thus
On 13/07/2022 13:57, Max Demian wrote:
On 13/07/2022 09:59, Brian Gaff wrote:
No neither am I but I'd dispute the battery life on dry
cells if you use dab. It is however very sensitive on fm and
dab and having the stereo for phones can be handy, but if
you don't need that some of the lesser known fm only radios
with knobs are fine.
This one even has long wave:
https://www.argos.co.uk/product/8883205
Wow.... is ther *anything* left on LW?
Last I heard was that Droitwich LW will close when the last
Klystron dies as they are very ikd technology and getting harder
to repair or replace....
Klystron eh? At Droitwich, do tell us more;?...
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2011/oct/09/bbc-radio4-long-wave-goodbye >>>
Its definately valves, I seem to recall Thyratrons or klystrons
mentioned elsewhere and probably due to sloppy journailism :-)
"Part of the problem is that pumping the signal so that it can cover
England, Wales and lowland Scotland requires 500 kilowatts of power, far
more - according to the BBC - than other long wave transmitters,"
far more than other long wave transmitters ???
500 kW ERP is (was) a normal power for longwave transmitters.
Europe had many higher power transmitters
for example:
Radio France 2000 kW (162 kHz)
RTL 2000 kW (234 kHz)
Europe 1 2000 kW (183 kHz)
etc.
not to speak about Northern Africa and the Middle East
where 2000kW is normal.
Rink
Its BBC polities Rink. More modern and efficient solid state
transmitters exist but its down to does the BBC want to carry on with
the Long wave outlet seems they don't, and any old excuse like "cant get
the valves" will make it politically easier to close it down!...
New ones here//
https://www.nautel.com/products/am-transmitters/nx-series/
Shouldn't be surprised if the Russians and Chinese make them as well!.
Do remember they have large land masses to cover that are very difficult
with FM and DAB..
Op 26-8-2022 om 12:14 schreef tony sayer:SNIP
In article <te801i$3lnml$1...@dont-email.me>, Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg
@planet.nl> scribeth thus
I do not know about China, but Russia closed all Longwave
transmitters many years ago.
I was able to receive 171 kHz Kaliningrad.
And the same frequency 171 kHz was assigned to The Netherlands,
but never used.
Not clever to ask for a longwave frequency, because in those days
there were no Dutch language stations on longwave and most radio's
sold in The Netherlands did not have longwave.
Rink
The last long wave broadcast in The Netherlands was about 1950.There was a minor bit of excitement about 20 years ago, when I think
In "1975 Geneve" a transmitter was planned on 171 kHz,
but this frequency was never used in The Netherlands.
On Monday, 12 September 2022 at 18:37:14 UTC+1, Rink wrote:
Op 26-8-2022 om 12:14 schreef tony sayer:SNIP
In article <te801i$3lnml$1...@dont-email.me>, Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg >>> @planet.nl> scribeth thus
I do not know about China, but Russia closed all Longwave
transmitters many years ago.
I was able to receive 171 kHz Kaliningrad.
And the same frequency 171 kHz was assigned to The Netherlands,
but never used.
Not clever to ask for a longwave frequency, because in those days
there were no Dutch language stations on longwave and most radio's
sold in The Netherlands did not have longwave.
Rink
Hilversum used to appear on long wave radio dials, but went online ~2008.
Op 13-9-2022 om 12:30 schreef R. Mark Clayton:
On Monday, 12 September 2022 at 18:37:14 UTC+1, Rink wrote:
Op 26-8-2022 om 12:14 schreef tony sayer:SNIP
In article <te801i$3lnml$1...@dont-email.me>, Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg
@planet.nl> scribeth thus
I do not know about China, but Russia closed all Longwave
transmitters many years ago.
I was able to receive 171 kHz Kaliningrad.
And the same frequency 171 kHz was assigned to The Netherlands,
but never used.
Not clever to ask for a longwave frequency, because in those days
there were no Dutch language stations on longwave and most radio's
sold in The Netherlands did not have longwave.
Rink
Hilversum used to appear on long wave radio dials, but went online ~2008.
The last long wave broadcast in The Netherlands was about 1950.
In "1975 Geneve" a transmitter was planned on 171 kHz,
but this frequency was never used in The Netherlands.
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