• Re: [OT} Recharging a smartphone

    From John Hall@21:1/5 to john_nospam@jhall.co.uk on Wed May 18 10:06:42 2022
    In message <owYun6AKRLhiFws2@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk>, John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> writes
    I'll be going away on holiday to somewhere that has continental-type
    mains sockets with two round pins. I have a suitable adapter plug
    thingy that provides two USB outlets, one rated at 5 volts and the
    other at 1 volt. My smartphone spec says that it has a 3.7 volt
    battery. Would I risk damaging the battery if I used the 5v outlet? If
    I can't safely use the 5v outlet, will the 1v outlet actually be able
    to charge the battery? (If so, I assume it will take a rather long time
    to do so.)

    TIA.

    Oops! My apologies. I don't know where I got the 5v and 1v from. The
    outlets are actually labelled 2.1A and 1A. So which of those should I
    use?
    --
    John Hall
    "Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
    But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
    Ogden Nash (1902-1971)

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  • From John Hall@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 18 09:54:34 2022
    I'll be going away on holiday to somewhere that has continental-type
    mains sockets with two round pins. I have a suitable adapter plug thingy
    that provides two USB outlets, one rated at 5 volts and the other at 1
    volt. My smartphone spec says that it has a 3.7 volt battery. Would I
    risk damaging the battery if I used the 5v outlet? If I can't safely use
    the 5v outlet, will the 1v outlet actually be able to charge the
    battery? (If so, I assume it will take a rather long time to do so.)

    TIA.
    --
    John Hall
    "Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
    But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
    Ogden Nash (1902-1971)

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to John Hall on Wed May 18 10:31:44 2022
    On 18/05/2022 10:06, John Hall wrote:

    The outlets are
    actually labelled 2.1A and 1A. So which of those should I use?

    Either will work without harming the phone, but the 2.1A ought to do the job faster.

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to John Hall on Wed May 18 13:40:27 2022
    On 18/05/2022 10:06, John Hall wrote:
    Oops! My apologies. I don't know where I got the 5v and 1v from. The
    outlets are actually labelled 2.1A and 1A. So which of those should I
    use?


    And with any charger, never leave it unattended.

    You see lots from the greenies about chargers costing a few pence a year
    when left running all the time but there is a fire danger from anything
    like that is left unattended,

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  • From David Woolley@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Wed May 18 14:39:23 2022
    On 18/05/2022 10:31, Andy Burns wrote:
    Either will work without harming the phone, but the 2.1A ought to do the
    job faster.

    That depends on whether the phone supports the way that the chargers
    signals its capabilities. If it doesn't it should fall back to a slow
    charge. (It's actually the charger that is at risk, if it gets this
    wrong, not the phone.)

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 18 15:20:08 2022
    On 18/05/2022 13:40, MB wrote:
    On 18/05/2022 10:06, John Hall wrote:
    Oops! My apologies. I don't know where I got the 5v and 1v from. The
    outlets are actually labelled 2.1A and 1A. So which of those should I
    use?


    And with any charger, never leave it unattended.

    You see lots from the greenies about chargers costing a few pence a
    year when left running all the time but there is a fire danger from
    anything like that is left unattended,

    What's the actual real life risk, compared with (for instance), the
    control board in your boiler, the clock on your oven, your PVR in
    standby, your masthead amp PSU, your bedside clock-radio, or even your
    mains powered smoke alarm ?

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Wed May 18 16:13:21 2022
    On 18/05/2022 15:20, Mark Carver wrote:
    What's the actual real life risk, compared with (for instance), the
    control board in your boiler, the clock on your oven, your PVR in
    standby, your masthead amp PSU, your bedside clock-radio, or even your
    mains powered smoke alarm ?

    It is usually the cheap and nasty wallwarts that are the cause and not
    all those use one but you regularly see reports of fires caused by a
    phone on charge.

    Just seems a simple precaution to not leave a cheap charger, costing
    pennies and not made or supplied by the phone manufacturer, charging unattended. Quite likely does not do the batteries any good either
    (however clever they claim the charger is).

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 18 16:24:45 2022
    On 18/05/2022 16:13, MB wrote:
    On 18/05/2022 15:20, Mark Carver wrote:
    What's the actual real life risk, compared with (for instance), the
    control board in your boiler, the clock on your oven, your PVR in
    standby, your masthead amp PSU, your bedside clock-radio, or even your
    mains powered smoke alarm ?

    It is usually the cheap and nasty wallwarts that are the cause and not
    all those use one but you regularly see reports of fires caused by a
    phone on charge.

    Just seems a simple precaution to not leave a cheap charger, costing
    pennies and not made or supplied by the phone manufacturer, charging unattended. Quite likely does not do the batteries any good either
    (however clever they claim the charger is).



    Indeed, but you've moved the goal posts slightly.
    I don't think a 'well known manufacturer's' phone charger, left plugged
    in but not charging poses any significant risk  ?  The risk increases
    when it's charging, though I suspect if anything is going to burst into
    flames it'll be the phone battery, rather than the charger. I do worry
    about phones and laptops getting charged onboard planes (I do it myself
    though)

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  • From John Hall@21:1/5 to MB@nospam.net on Wed May 18 16:45:49 2022
    In message <t62pfr$dn9$1@dont-email.me>, MB <MB@nospam.net> writes
    On 18/05/2022 10:06, John Hall wrote:
    Oops! My apologies. I don't know where I got the 5v and 1v from. The
    outlets are actually labelled 2.1A and 1A. So which of those should I
    use?


    And with any charger, never leave it unattended.

    You see lots from the greenies about chargers costing a few pence a
    year when left running all the time but there is a fire danger from
    anything like that is left unattended,

    I'm from the generation that doesn't leave anything electrical switched
    on unnecessarily.
    --
    John Hall
    "Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
    But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
    Ogden Nash (1902-1971)

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  • From John Hall@21:1/5 to usenet@andyburns.uk on Wed May 18 16:43:59 2022
    In message <jejso1Fp38mU1@mid.individual.net>, Andy Burns
    <usenet@andyburns.uk> writes
    On 18/05/2022 10:06, John Hall wrote:

    The outlets are actually labelled 2.1A and 1A. So which of those
    should I use?

    Either will work without harming the phone, but the 2.1A ought to do
    the job faster.


    Thanks.
    --
    John Hall
    "Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
    But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
    Ogden Nash (1902-1971)

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to MB@nospam.net on Wed May 18 18:52:18 2022
    In article <t632ei$leq$1@dont-email.me>,
    MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
    On 18/05/2022 15:20, Mark Carver wrote:
    What's the actual real life risk, compared with (for instance), the
    control board in your boiler, the clock on your oven, your PVR in
    standby, your masthead amp PSU, your bedside clock-radio, or even your mains powered smoke alarm ?

    It is usually the cheap and nasty wallwarts that are the cause and not
    all those use one but you regularly see reports of fires caused by a
    phone on charge.

    been turfed out of a hotel at about 4 in the morning ( very frosty morning, too) because one of those caught fire.

    Just seems a simple precaution to not leave a cheap charger, costing
    pennies and not made or supplied by the phone manufacturer, charging unattended. Quite likely does not do the batteries any good either
    (however clever they claim the charger is).

    --
    from KT24 in Surrey, England
    "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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  • From Chris Green@21:1/5 to John Hall on Wed May 18 19:18:40 2022
    John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
    I'll be going away on holiday to somewhere that has continental-type
    mains sockets with two round pins. I have a suitable adapter plug thingy
    that provides two USB outlets, one rated at 5 volts and the other at 1
    volt. My smartphone spec says that it has a 3.7 volt battery. Would I
    risk damaging the battery if I used the 5v outlet? If I can't safely use
    the 5v outlet, will the 1v outlet actually be able to charge the
    battery? (If so, I assume it will take a rather long time to do so.)

    I think you are a little confused.

    *All* USB outlets should provide 5 volts and have a minimum current
    capability of 500mA. Your phone is expecting to get 5 volts. It has electronic circuitry that charges the 3.7 volt battery from the 5 volt
    supply.

    I know of no USB 'outlet' that provides only 1 volt, I think you must
    be misreading something. On twin outlets like you seem to have it's
    quite common for one to be able to provide (up to) 2.1 amps and the
    other (up to) 1 amp. Is that where you're getting the '1' from maybe.
    Anyway, both outlets will be 5 volts and the 2.1 amp one *may* charge
    your phone a bit more quickly than the 1 amp one, it depends on how
    the phone and the 'charger' interact.

    --
    Chris Green
    ·

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  • From Java Jive@21:1/5 to charles on Wed May 18 20:57:48 2022
    On 18/05/2022 18:52, charles wrote:

    been turfed out of a hotel at about 4 in the morning ( very frosty morning, too) because one of those caught fire.

    Well, at least that was a *real* emergency ...

    www.macfh.co.uk/Macfarlane/Reminiscences/Livermudlian.html

    --

    Fake news kills!

    I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website:
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  • From John Hall@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 18 20:21:23 2022
    In message <0tpfli-h2l1.ln1@esprimo.zbmc.eu>, Chris Green <cl@isbd.net>
    writes
    John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
    I'll be going away on holiday to somewhere that has continental-type
    mains sockets with two round pins. I have a suitable adapter plug thingy
    that provides two USB outlets, one rated at 5 volts and the other at 1
    volt. My smartphone spec says that it has a 3.7 volt battery. Would I
    risk damaging the battery if I used the 5v outlet? If I can't safely use
    the 5v outlet, will the 1v outlet actually be able to charge the
    battery? (If so, I assume it will take a rather long time to do so.)

    I think you are a little confused.

    *All* USB outlets should provide 5 volts and have a minimum current >capability of 500mA. Your phone is expecting to get 5 volts. It has >electronic circuitry that charges the 3.7 volt battery from the 5 volt >supply.

    I know of no USB 'outlet' that provides only 1 volt, I think you must
    be misreading something. On twin outlets like you seem to have it's
    quite common for one to be able to provide (up to) 2.1 amps and the
    other (up to) 1 amp. Is that where you're getting the '1' from maybe. >Anyway, both outlets will be 5 volts and the 2.1 amp one *may* charge
    your phone a bit more quickly than the 1 amp one, it depends on how
    the phone and the 'charger' interact.


    Thanks. I corrected myself in a follow-up post. I've no idea what made
    me think the outlets were 5v and 1v.

    Some subsequent research on the web suggested that the 2.1 amp outlet is intended for tablets and the 1 amp for mobile phones. Some people also
    seemed to think that using the 2.1 amp one with a mobile phone could
    risk damage.
    --
    John Hall
    "Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
    But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
    Ogden Nash (1902-1971)

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to John Hall on Wed May 18 23:07:37 2022
    On 18/05/2022 16:45, John Hall wrote:
    I'm from the generation that doesn't leave anything electrical switched
    on unnecessarily.

    Ditto!

    Anything that does need to be left switched on will be fed through a RCD
    just to give a bit of protection.

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  • From David Woolley@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 19 06:27:08 2022
    On 18/05/2022 23:07, MB wrote:
    Anything that does need to be left switched on will be fed through a RCD
    just to give a bit of protection.

    RCDs don't protect against live to neutral shorts.

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