• Sky TV

    From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 9 09:28:20 2022
    Not been into them for some time, since the dish days. If you get Sky Q now
    one assumes that the boxes simply use the internet, or is there an option
    for a dish as well? How do the boxes in different rooms communicate?Is it
    over naff powerline adaptors? Not for me, but a friend who finds their description a bit confusing.
    Brian

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Brian Gaff on Sat Apr 9 09:56:16 2022
    Brian Gaff wrote:

    If you get Sky Q now one assumes that the boxes simply use the internet, or is there an option for a dish as well?

    Sky Q uses a dish with a different type of LNB, it has numerous (12?) tuners to allow recording, live viewing, multi-room etc, no doubt it uses internet for on-demand stuff.

    Their dishless product is the "Sky Glass" which is a TV that's internet based.

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  • From R. Mark Clayton@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Sat Apr 9 03:43:28 2022
    On Saturday, 9 April 2022 at 09:56:21 UTC+1, Andy Burns wrote:
    Brian Gaff wrote:

    If you get Sky Q now one assumes that the boxes simply use the internet, or is there an option for a dish as well?
    Sky Q uses a dish with a different type of LNB,

    This is anti-competitive practice to lock customers in by $ky. There is NO technical reason for it. Existing LNB's receive 4k transponders and a more advanced LNB allowing all transponders to be received would be: -

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibre_satellite_distribution

    This also makes multi-satellite reception simpler, but $ky don't want customers doing that either.

    it
    the receiver
    has numerous (12?) tuners to
    allow recording, live viewing, multi-room etc, no doubt it uses internet for on-demand stuff.

    Their dishless product is the "Sky Glass" which is a TV that's internet based.

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  • From Unsteadyken@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 9 13:08:37 2022
    In article <t2rg39$nnk$1@dont-email.me>,

    Brian Gaff (Sofa) says...

    If you get Sky Q now
    one assumes that the boxes simply use the internet, or is there an option
    for a dish as well? How do the boxes in different rooms communicate?Is it over naff powerline adaptors?


    I've had Sky Q for a couple of months, the only option is a dish.

    When I moved into my flat years ago there was on old Sky dish
    installed and I had been using that to receive Freesat.

    The Sky installer removed the old dish and replaced it with a shiny
    new one fitted with a 6 outlet Wideband LNB. He also was happy to add an
    extra cable to feed the Freesat STB.

    The STB reports the new LNB gives exactly the same signal strength
    as the old setup.

    The Sky Q mini box uses either wi-fi or wired connection.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to R. Mark Clayton on Sat Apr 9 13:14:20 2022
    R. Mark Clayton wrote:

    Andy Burns wrote:

    Sky Q uses a dish with a different type of LNB,

    This is anti-competitive practice to lock customers in by $ky. There is NO technical reason for it.

    Technically it *does* allow more concurrent recordings/viewings at once for just
    two downleads, doesn't it?

    It's not a sky proprietary type of LNB, but certainly it's far less common on non-Sky equipment.

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 9 16:48:58 2022
    On 09/04/2022 09:28 am, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:

    Not been into them for some time, since the dish days. If you get Sky Q now one assumes that the boxes simply use the internet, or is there an option
    for a dish as well?

    Yes. The Q box works off a dish. It will record four channels at the
    same time from a suitably upgraded dish and LNB.
    We had it for a while, but sent it back for other reasons.

    How do the boxes in different rooms communicate?

    Yes, each communicates with the Q box (not with each other as far as I
    am aware).

    Is it
    over naff powerline adaptors? Not for me, but a friend who finds their description a bit confusing.

    It works well on wi-fi. No need for a powerline.

    I do have a Humax recorder and catch-up box (on a bedroom TV) which
    won't work over wi-fi and needs an ethernet connection or powerline to
    deliver its full range of services. But the Sky Q "slaves" work on wi-fi.

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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Sat Apr 9 16:40:14 2022
    On 09/04/2022 13:14, Andy Burns wrote:
    R. Mark Clayton wrote:

    Andy Burns wrote:

    Sky Q uses a dish with a different type of LNB,

    This is anti-competitive practice to lock customers in by $ky. There
    is NO technical reason for it.

    Technically it *does* allow more concurrent recordings/viewings at once
    for just two downleads, doesn't it?

    Alternative unicable II LNBs can have simultaneous 32 transponder
    reception down one cable.


    It's not a sky proprietary type of LNB, but certainly it's far less
    common on non-Sky equipment.


    Does any other company use the Sky technology, in the way they have
    implemented it? At one time you could replace a sky box with any other
    box to receive non-subcription services ... until the sky Q LNB.

    Some other box manufactures are now including Sky Q LNB support but many
    more have already supported unicable LNBs.


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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Sat Apr 9 16:51:58 2022
    On 09/04/2022 01:14 pm, Andy Burns wrote:
    R. Mark Clayton wrote:

    Andy Burns wrote:

    Sky Q uses a dish with a different type of LNB,

    This is anti-competitive practice to lock customers in by $ky. There
    is NO technical reason for it.

    Technically it *does* allow more concurrent recordings/viewings at once
    for just two downleads, doesn't it?

    Four at once, IIRC (we had it but sent it back).

    It's not a sky proprietary type of LNB, but certainly it's far less
    common on non-Sky equipment.

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Unsteadyken on Sat Apr 9 16:51:24 2022
    On 09/04/2022 01:08 pm, Unsteadyken wrote:
    In article <t2rg39$nnk$1@dont-email.me>,

    Brian Gaff (Sofa) says...

    If you get Sky Q now
    one assumes that the boxes simply use the internet, or is there an option
    for a dish as well? How do the boxes in different rooms communicate?Is it
    over naff powerline adaptors?


    I've had Sky Q for a couple of months, the only option is a dish.

    ???

    If connected via, Sky Q will certainly download catch-up TV as well as
    the Sky Cinema channels and other on-demand services (even Netflix and
    Prime Video, as well as YouTube). This is just a continuation of what
    Sky+HD does.

    When I moved into my flat years ago there was on old Sky dish
    installed and I had been using that to receive Freesat.

    The Sky installer removed the old dish and replaced it with a shiny
    new one fitted with a 6 outlet Wideband LNB. He also was happy to add an extra cable to feed the Freesat STB.

    The STB reports the new LNB gives exactly the same signal strength
    as the old setup.

    The Sky Q mini box uses either wi-fi or wired connection.


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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to Unsteadyken on Sat Apr 9 16:51:59 2022
    On 09/04/2022 13:08, Unsteadyken wrote:
    In article <t2rg39$nnk$1@dont-email.me>,

    Brian Gaff (Sofa) says...

    If you get Sky Q now
    one assumes that the boxes simply use the internet, or is there an option
    for a dish as well? How do the boxes in different rooms communicate?Is it
    over naff powerline adaptors?


    I've had Sky Q for a couple of months, the only option is a dish.

    When I moved into my flat years ago there was on old Sky dish
    installed and I had been using that to receive Freesat.

    The Sky installer removed the old dish and replaced it with a shiny
    new one fitted with a 6 outlet Wideband LNB. He also was happy to add an extra cable to feed the Freesat STB.

    There is nothing special about the dish - he possibly could have fitted
    the new LNB to the older dish but if it was one of earlier dishes he may
    have had to faf around with an adapter so a new dish was possibly the
    easier or/and cheaper option.

    You appear to have a wideband sky Q LNB with 4 legacy universal LNB
    outputs. On a new installation this is not normal unless you ask for it.
    They will fit a wideband Q LNB with just the two outputs and until VERY recently you couldn't use this on a Freesat banded receiver.



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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Sat Apr 9 16:54:59 2022
    On 09/04/2022 04:52 pm, Andy Burns wrote:

    JNugent wrote:

    How do the boxes in different rooms communicate?

    Yes, each communicates with the Q box (not with each other as far as I
    am aware).

    I thought Sky Q *did* create its own mesh wifi for the mini-boxes to
    talk to the main box?

    I won't pretend that I know what mesh wi-fi is, but as I said, each
    mini-box certainly does communicate with the main ("Q") box. When they
    replay or programme a recording, the source of the recording is on the Q
    box's hard drive.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to JNugent on Sat Apr 9 16:58:00 2022
    JNugent wrote:

    Andy Burns wrote:

    Technically it *does* allow more concurrent recordings/viewings at once for >> just two downleads, doesn't it?

    Four at once, IIRC

    Seems some are dedicated for specific purposes, which seems a bit odd

    "The Sky 2TB box has a whooping 12 tuners, this allows four for recordings, five
    for watching live TV including one for your main 2TB box, two for your Sky Q mini-boxes, two for mobile devices, one tuner is used for the mini TV screen that you see within now-and-next mini TV guide"

    the 1TB box only has 8 tuners.

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Sat Apr 9 17:00:31 2022
    On 09/04/2022 04:58 pm, Andy Burns wrote:
    JNugent wrote:

    Andy Burns wrote:

    Technically it *does* allow more concurrent recordings/viewings at
    once for just two downleads, doesn't it?

    Four at once, IIRC

    Seems some are dedicated for specific purposes, which seems a bit odd

    "The Sky 2TB box has a whooping 12 tuners, this allows four for
    recordings, five for watching live TV including one for your main 2TB
    box, two for your Sky Q mini-boxes, two for mobile devices, one tuner is
    used for the mini TV screen that you see within now-and-next mini TV guide"

    the 1TB box only has 8 tuners.

    Perhaps they've upgraded the platform since we had it (over three years
    ago).

    I thought that recording four at once (so useful for those 9pm
    junctions) was pretty good!

    I sent it back because of the lack of an analogue output.

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Sat Apr 9 17:02:37 2022
    On 09/04/2022 05:00 pm, Andy Burns wrote:

    JNugent wrote:

    I won't pretend that I know what mesh wi-fi is, but as I said, each
    mini-box certainly does communicate with the main ("Q") box.

    The mesh means that a distant mini-box can "hop" via an intermediate
    mini-box on its way to the main box ...

    Ah... thanks. I have two wi-fi boosters placed at strategic points.

    I can't remember whether we had two or three of the mini-boxes... ;-)

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 9 16:49:45 2022
    alan_m wrote:

    Does any other company use the Sky technology, in the way they have implemented it?

    Yes, newest FreeSat STBs support wideband (aka Sky Q) LNBs/cabling.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to JNugent on Sat Apr 9 16:52:18 2022
    JNugent wrote:

    How do the boxes in different rooms communicate?

    Yes, each communicates with the Q box (not with each other as far as I am aware).

    I thought Sky Q *did* create its own mesh wifi for the mini-boxes to talk to the
    main box?

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  • From John Hall@21:1/5 to jennings&co@fastmail.fm on Sat Apr 9 18:52:48 2022
    In message <jbdobsF763bU2@mid.individual.net>, JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> writes
    On 09/04/2022 01:08 pm, Unsteadyken wrote:
    In article <t2rg39$nnk$1@dont-email.me>,
    Brian Gaff (Sofa) says...

    If you get Sky Q now
    one assumes that the boxes simply use the internet, or is there an option >>> for a dish as well? How do the boxes in different rooms communicate?Is it >>> over naff powerline adaptors?

    I've had Sky Q for a couple of months, the only option is a dish.

    ???

    If connected via, Sky Q will certainly download catch-up TV as well as
    the Sky Cinema channels and other on-demand services (even Netflix and
    Prime Video, as well as YouTube). This is just a continuation of what
    Sky+HD does.

    I imagine that he meant that Sky only offer a package that includes the
    dish as well as the box.
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  • From Unsteadyken@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 9 18:17:34 2022
    In article <jbdocvF773oU1@mid.individual.net>,

    alan_m says...

    You appear to have a wideband sky Q LNB with 4 legacy universal LNB
    outputs. On a new installation this is not normal unless you ask for it.

    I asked the installer for it and he was happy to comply.


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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to JNugent on Sat Apr 9 18:32:26 2022
    JNugent wrote:

    Andy Burns wrote:

    The mesh means that a distant mini-box can "hop" via an intermediate mini-box
    on its way to the main box ...

    Ah... thanks. I have two wi-fi boosters placed at strategic points.

    Not sure that will help "Q" from what I gather it does its own thing

    I can't remember whether we had two or three of the mini-boxes... ;-)

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  • From Bob Latham@21:1/5 to JNugent on Sat Apr 9 19:58:11 2022
    In article <jbdosvF763bU6@mid.individual.net>,
    JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
    On 09/04/2022 04:58 pm, Andy Burns wrote:
    JNugent wrote:

    Andy Burns wrote:

    Technically it *does* allow more concurrent recordings/viewings at
    once for just two downleads, doesn't it?

    Four at once, IIRC

    Seems some are dedicated for specific purposes, which seems a bit odd

    "The Sky 2TB box has a whooping 12 tuners, this allows four for
    recordings, five for watching live TV including one for your main 2TB
    box, two for your Sky Q mini-boxes, two for mobile devices, one tuner is used for the mini TV screen that you see within now-and-next mini TV guide"

    the 1TB box only has 8 tuners.

    Perhaps they've upgraded the platform since we had it (over three years
    ago).

    I thought that recording four at once (so useful for those 9pm
    junctions) was pretty good!

    I sent it back because of the lack of an analogue output.

    The current 2TB SkyQ main box can record 5 different things
    simultaneously as standard. There is a setting (preferences) to
    sacrifice the mini-screen to increase this to 6. So it is possible to
    record 6 things at the same time.

    Before they arrive to install you're told to have ready your Wi-Fi
    password and the new viewing card sent through the post.

    I had no intention of allowing them to use Wi-Fi at all and provided
    ethernet connections back to my core switch at the the main box and
    the one mini box we had. The installer just plugged in the ethernet
    and to his surprise it worked fine, I never gave him the Wi-Fi
    password.

    After he'd left I noticed that the Wi-Fi was turned on on both boxes
    though not used. I simply turned it all off on both boxes and checked
    with a Wi-Fi tester that no signal was present.

    Judging by the switch info, there is considerable constant traffic
    between the mini and the main, glad that's not on my Wi-Fi.


    Bob.

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Sat Apr 9 20:00:23 2022
    On 09/04/2022 16:52, Andy Burns wrote:
    JNugent wrote:

    How do the boxes in different rooms communicate?

    Yes, each communicates with the Q box (not with each other as far as
    I am aware).

    I thought Sky Q *did* create its own mesh wifi for the mini-boxes to
    talk to the main box?

    It does. A 5 GHz network. However, if you connect via wired LAN, they
    can be part of your wider LAN network, your router just assigns the
    boxes IP addresses, just like any other device (or you can manually
    assign static IPs for them) and they chat away to each other, and the
    main box streams its content to the minibox(es)

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to JNugent on Sat Apr 9 20:01:49 2022
    On 09/04/2022 17:00, JNugent wrote:


    I sent it back because of the lack of an analogue output.

    Almost everything you buy from now onwards, you'll be sending back then !

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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to Bob Latham on Sat Apr 9 23:22:55 2022
    On 09/04/2022 19:58, Bob Latham wrote:
    In article <jbdosvF763bU6@mid.individual.net>,
    JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
    On 09/04/2022 04:58 pm, Andy Burns wrote:
    JNugent wrote:

    Andy Burns wrote:

    Technically it *does* allow more concurrent recordings/viewings at
    once for just two downleads, doesn't it?

    Four at once, IIRC

    Seems some are dedicated for specific purposes, which seems a bit odd

    "The Sky 2TB box has a whooping 12 tuners, this allows four for
    recordings, five for watching live TV including one for your main 2TB
    box, two for your Sky Q mini-boxes, two for mobile devices, one tuner is >>> used for the mini TV screen that you see within now-and-next mini TV guide" >>>
    the 1TB box only has 8 tuners.

    Perhaps they've upgraded the platform since we had it (over three years
    ago).

    I thought that recording four at once (so useful for those 9pm
    junctions) was pretty good!

    I sent it back because of the lack of an analogue output.

    The current 2TB SkyQ main box can record 5 different things
    simultaneously as standard. There is a setting (preferences) to
    sacrifice the mini-screen to increase this to 6. So it is possible to
    record 6 things at the same time.

    My current PVR can record more than 8 simultaneous programs with 2
    tuners fed from two outputs from a quad universal LNB. The limitation
    with two tuners is that all the channels/programs must be on the same
    two transponders. At the same time I can watch live TV from those
    transponders or watch anything recorded



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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Sat Apr 9 23:30:30 2022
    On 09/04/2022 16:49, Andy Burns wrote:
    alan_m wrote:

    Does any other company use the Sky technology, in the way they have
    implemented it?

    Yes, newest FreeSat STBs support wideband (aka Sky Q) LNBs/cabling.

    Sky Q LNB have been around some time and it's only recently that some
    Freesat box have been able to support this type of LNB.

    The alternative technology allows multiple boxes to have a satellite
    feed by using cheap splitters on the one cable from the LNB.

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Sun Apr 10 00:52:24 2022
    On 09/04/2022 08:01 pm, Mark Carver wrote:

    On 09/04/2022 17:00, JNugent wrote:

    I sent it back because of the lack of an analogue output.

    Almost everything you buy from now onwards, you'll be sending back then !

    It seems so.

    But I have a little stash...

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  • From Unsteadyken@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 10 03:20:08 2022
    In article <uaxjaQCwfcUiFw38@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk>,

    John Hall says...


    I imagine that he meant that Sky only offer a package that includes the
    dish as well as the box.


    Exactly that. I was not even asked if I had internet access during the
    ordering process.


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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Sun Apr 10 09:08:10 2022
    Reading the web site I got the impression that the latest Sky Q could also
    just use the internet as well, but like many marketing sites, its a little bamboozling.
    Brian

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    Brian Gaff wrote:

    If you get Sky Q now one assumes that the boxes simply use the internet,
    or
    is there an option for a dish as well?

    Sky Q uses a dish with a different type of LNB, it has numerous (12?)
    tuners to allow recording, live viewing, multi-room etc, no doubt it uses internet for on-demand stuff.

    Their dishless product is the "Sky Glass" which is a TV that's internet based.

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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Sun Apr 10 09:14:56 2022
    Seems to me then that its not so much locking people in, its the old, now we have sold everyone an lnb we will make a new type so they all need to buy
    one again, its a bit like phones. They are trying to push 5g, when 4g is in most places just as good.
    I remember a few years ago they tried to sell everyone 3D tellies but the
    fact that they needed glasses put folk off.
    I am surprised that Sky did not build in a sat or freeview into their tvs, since it would have been minimally more expensive to do so.


    They could then have flogged it to people with crap internet.
    grin.
    Brian

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    alan_m wrote:

    Does any other company use the Sky technology, in the way they have
    implemented it?

    Yes, newest FreeSat STBs support wideband (aka Sky Q) LNBs/cabling.

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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to junk@admac.myzen.co.uk on Sun Apr 10 09:16:31 2022
    If this is only some control system then one might suspect that the Chinese would by now have a translator box that can make the new lnb look like the
    old one.
    Brian

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    "alan_m" <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message news:jbefo6FbheqU1@mid.individual.net...
    On 09/04/2022 16:49, Andy Burns wrote:
    alan_m wrote:

    Does any other company use the Sky technology, in the way they have
    implemented it?

    Yes, newest FreeSat STBs support wideband (aka Sky Q) LNBs/cabling.

    Sky Q LNB have been around some time and it's only recently that some
    Freesat box have been able to support this type of LNB.

    The alternative technology allows multiple boxes to have a satellite feed
    by using cheap splitters on the one cable from the LNB.

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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to junk@admac.myzen.co.uk on Sun Apr 10 09:24:34 2022
    The only thing that attracts me about Sky is the voice I/O system it has. Surely if your box does not have an analogue output, you can use the optical output and one of those el cheapo little interfaces to make the Analogue
    video and audio. I only bought an audio one in my position. and that seems
    to work on any optical output. There are also hdmi to and from scart and
    even onesthat convert to and from vga and analogue audio.
    I guess in the end the chips are two a penny these days.
    Brian

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    "alan_m" <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message news:jbef9vFbet8U1@mid.individual.net...
    On 09/04/2022 19:58, Bob Latham wrote:
    In article <jbdosvF763bU6@mid.individual.net>,
    JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
    On 09/04/2022 04:58 pm, Andy Burns wrote:
    JNugent wrote:

    Andy Burns wrote:

    Technically it *does* allow more concurrent recordings/viewings at >>>>>> once for just two downleads, doesn't it?

    Four at once, IIRC

    Seems some are dedicated for specific purposes, which seems a bit odd

    "The Sky 2TB box has a whooping 12 tuners, this allows four for
    recordings, five for watching live TV including one for your main 2TB
    box, two for your Sky Q mini-boxes, two for mobile devices, one tuner
    is
    used for the mini TV screen that you see within now-and-next mini TV
    guide"

    the 1TB box only has 8 tuners.

    Perhaps they've upgraded the platform since we had it (over three years
    ago).

    I thought that recording four at once (so useful for those 9pm
    junctions) was pretty good!

    I sent it back because of the lack of an analogue output.

    The current 2TB SkyQ main box can record 5 different things
    simultaneously as standard. There is a setting (preferences) to
    sacrifice the mini-screen to increase this to 6. So it is possible to
    record 6 things at the same time.

    My current PVR can record more than 8 simultaneous programs with 2 tuners
    fed from two outputs from a quad universal LNB. The limitation with two tuners is that all the channels/programs must be on the same two transponders. At the same time I can watch live TV from those transponders
    or watch anything recorded



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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Sun Apr 10 09:25:52 2022
    Yes it is irritating to have to find an add on to run old gear on things,
    but that is the way the world makes stuff out of date to sell you more
    stuff!
    Brian

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    On 09/04/2022 17:00, JNugent wrote:


    I sent it back because of the lack of an analogue output.

    Almost everything you buy from now onwards, you'll be sending back then !

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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to Unsteadyken on Sun Apr 10 09:32:55 2022
    But how would the actual non tech punter know to ask in the first place?
    I can imagine the language if they decide to cancel only to find none of
    their existing freesat things will actually work any more without getting a
    man or woman in the change the lnbs.
    Brian

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    "Unsteadyken" <unsteadyken@gmail.com> wrote in message news:MPG.3cbbcffe5698510b9897c2@News.Individual.NET...
    In article <jbdocvF773oU1@mid.individual.net>,

    alan_m says...

    You appear to have a wideband sky Q LNB with 4 legacy universal LNB
    outputs. On a new installation this is not normal unless you ask for it.

    I asked the installer for it and he was happy to comply.


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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Sun Apr 10 09:38:39 2022
    Well if you only have the one main box and one other, one would imagine it
    has to be using wifi then. It could I suppose have a built in power adaptor
    to use merely for control signals, does anyone know?
    Brian

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    "Andy Burns" <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote in message news:jbdu9aF8a0fU2@mid.individual.net...
    JNugent wrote:

    Andy Burns wrote:

    The mesh means that a distant mini-box can "hop" via an intermediate
    mini-box on its way to the main box ...

    Ah... thanks. I have two wi-fi boosters placed at strategic points.

    Not sure that will help "Q" from what I gather it does its own thing

    I can't remember whether we had two or three of the mini-boxes... ;-)


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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Sun Apr 10 09:36:57 2022
    Surely though as earlier in this thread it was stated that it has sockets
    for wired networks, than any other comms must in effect be separate and
    unseen by the user, a bit like bluetooth or like those wireless keyboards
    with proprietary protocols.
    Otherwise it would have to pass through your router.
    Brian

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    JNugent wrote:

    I won't pretend that I know what mesh wi-fi is, but as I said, each
    mini-box certainly does communicate with the main ("Q") box.

    The mesh means that a distant mini-box can "hop" via an intermediate
    mini-box on its way to the main box ...


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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Sun Apr 10 09:41:39 2022
    However its done, does the system talk to Sky and let them know ho watches what, or something? Many systems do that and their excuse is the pay per
    view, but I'm blowed if some of the stuff that is pay for view would entice
    me at all. I must be a heathen....
    Brian

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    "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:jbe3e7F98svU1@mid.individual.net...
    On 09/04/2022 16:52, Andy Burns wrote:
    JNugent wrote:

    How do the boxes in different rooms communicate?

    Yes, each communicates with the Q box (not with each other as far as I
    am aware).

    I thought Sky Q *did* create its own mesh wifi for the mini-boxes to talk
    to the main box?

    It does. A 5 GHz network. However, if you connect via wired LAN, they can
    be part of your wider LAN network, your router just assigns the boxes IP addresses, just like any other device (or you can manually assign static
    IPs for them) and they chat away to each other, and the main box streams
    its content to the minibox(es)

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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 10 09:44:08 2022
    On 10/04/2022 09:08, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
    Reading the web site I got the impression that the latest Sky Q could also just use the internet as well, but like many marketing sites, its a little bamboozling.
    Brian


    Any box that allows catch up TV must operate over the Interweb as does
    any box that supports random pay for view films etc. Sky Q boxes support
    both these modes of operation.

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  • From Bob Latham@21:1/5 to JNugent on Sun Apr 10 09:16:33 2022
    In article <jbekhoFca73U3@mid.individual.net>,
    JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
    On 09/04/2022 08:01 pm, Mark Carver wrote:

    On 09/04/2022 17:00, JNugent wrote:

    I sent it back because of the lack of an analogue output.

    Almost everything you buy from now onwards, you'll be sending back then !

    It seems so.

    But I have a little stash...

    Is this so that you can record stuff? If so, why not record digital?
    There are ways around the HDMI protection if that's the problem.

    Bob.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Brian Gaff on Sun Apr 10 10:07:54 2022
    Brian Gaff wrote:

    does the system talk to Sky and let them know ho watches what, or something?

    I would assume so.

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  • From Bob Latham@21:1/5 to Roderick Stewart on Sun Apr 10 11:13:45 2022
    In article <e8855h1rlo6rh24buncqc7b1iqq8j2us5e@4ax.com>,
    Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

    Every time you do this you'll have 8 or more hours of recordings,
    which would probably take you a day to watch even if you set aside a
    day to do nothing else. What's the point of a machine that collects
    more material than you can watch?

    Hang on, there is a big difference in discussing what various boxes
    can do and talking about maxing them out night after night. We got
    our Q box last June, I can tell you my wife records her soaps and
    murder mysteries and art programmes, I record car programmes,
    science, music programmes and F1. I have seen the box recording 4
    things at once maybe 5 but far from every night, there's not that
    much good stuff on the box. However, it does largely stop the
    recording clash problems we kept running into with the previous box.

    It's not that there is loads to record, it's that it's all on a the
    evening peak time.

    Bob.

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  • From Roderick Stewart@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 10 10:36:27 2022
    On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 23:22:55 +0100, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk>
    wrote:

    My current PVR can record more than 8 simultaneous programs with 2
    tuners fed from two outputs from a quad universal LNB. The limitation
    with two tuners is that all the channels/programs must be on the same
    two transponders. At the same time I can watch live TV from those >transponders or watch anything recorded

    Every time you do this you'll have 8 or more hours of recordings,
    which would probably take you a day to watch even if you set aside a
    day to do nothing else. What's the point of a machine that collects
    more material than you can watch?

    My Freeview machine can only record two things at once, but even with
    that limitation the recordings were piling up faster than I could find
    the time to watch them, which is why on December 31st I decided to
    wipe the disk and not record any more, and literally haven't switched
    it on this year. I haven't missed it at all. I have thousands of hours
    of material available via the internet, but it's all handled by
    somebody else's machinery so I don't have to worry about it, and
    anything I don't want is much easier to ignore.

    Rod.

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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 10 10:29:25 2022
    On 10/04/2022 09:41, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
    However its done, does the system talk to Sky and let them know ho watches what, or something?

    The sky Q box interfaces to the inbuilt camera in your TV and transmits
    the picture back to sky. From this information Sky knows how many people
    are watching.



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  • From Bob Latham@21:1/5 to junk@admac.myzen.co.uk on Sun Apr 10 11:21:23 2022
    In article <jbfjmoFhs1cU1@mid.individual.net>,
    alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On 10/04/2022 09:08, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:

    Reading the web site I got the impression that the latest Sky Q
    could also just use the internet as well, but like many marketing
    sites, its a little bamboozling. Brian


    Any box that allows catch up TV must operate over the Interweb as
    does any box that supports random pay for view films etc. Sky Q
    boxes support both these modes of operation.

    Sky Glass, the TV doesn't use a dish, it operates entirely from the
    Internet unless there's a tv aerial socket, I've not checked that out.

    Normal SkyQ still uses a dish and does downloads from the interweb.

    I've heard there is another Sky Q box that like I heard thatSky Glass
    doesn't have a dish but I've not seen one yet. Last I heard they were
    on test in Germany. Things may have progressed further since I heard
    that.

    Bob.

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  • From Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems L@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 10 12:06:00 2022
    At one time you could replace a sky box with any other box to
    receive non-subcription services ... until the sky Q LNB.

    The wideband Sky Q LNB works with all satellite receivers, at least mine does since it feeds my 15 years old Humax Foxsat and the Sky Q box.

    But non-Sky receivers with more than two tuners are rare, little innovation in satellite in the last 15 years, except for Sky.

    One major difference with Sky Q is that you don't own the equipment, it is loaned for the duration of your contract and I guess that includes the dish, Sky replaced my old one with new, think it is actually a six way, I have two dishes.

    Sky Q communicates with it's remote Mini boxes over 5GHz wifi, independently of any other wifi you have, but they have ethernet sockets as well if you want a more reliable connection. If you have Sky Broadband as well, all Sky Q boxes become mesh repeaters.

    Angus

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Bob Latham on Sun Apr 10 11:28:24 2022
    Bob Latham wrote:

    Sky Glass, the TV doesn't use a dish, it operates entirely from the
    Internet unless there's a tv aerial socket, I've not checked that out.

    Surprisingly, there is an aerial input.

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  • From Jeff Layman@21:1/5 to Roderick Stewart on Sun Apr 10 12:25:44 2022
    On 10/04/2022 10:36, Roderick Stewart wrote:
    On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 23:22:55 +0100, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk>
    wrote:

    My current PVR can record more than 8 simultaneous programs with 2
    tuners fed from two outputs from a quad universal LNB. The limitation
    with two tuners is that all the channels/programs must be on the same
    two transponders. At the same time I can watch live TV from those
    transponders or watch anything recorded

    Every time you do this you'll have 8 or more hours of recordings,
    which would probably take you a day to watch even if you set aside a
    day to do nothing else. What's the point of a machine that collects
    more material than you can watch?

    My Freeview machine can only record two things at once, but even with
    that limitation the recordings were piling up faster than I could find
    the time to watch them, which is why on December 31st I decided to
    wipe the disk and not record any more, and literally haven't switched
    it on this year. I haven't missed it at all. I have thousands of hours
    of material available via the internet, but it's all handled by
    somebody else's machinery so I don't have to worry about it, and
    anything I don't want is much easier to ignore.

    True, but due to Rights/Licensing issues, not everything is available on iPlayer, etc. So if you really want to watch something, it's worth
    recording it.

    Also, if, for example, on BBC when a programme is about to start they
    say "also available on iPlayer", then you're ok. If they don't, it won't
    be clear whether or not it will be available to stream. Perhaps that
    should be the next step for programme guides.

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  • From R. Mark Clayton@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Sun Apr 10 05:30:28 2022
    On Saturday, 9 April 2022 at 13:14:26 UTC+1, Andy Burns wrote:
    R. Mark Clayton wrote:
    Andy Burns wrote:

    Sky Q uses a dish with a different type of LNB,

    This is anti-competitive practice to lock customers in by $ky. There is NO technical reason for it.
    Technically it *does* allow more concurrent recordings/viewings at once for just
    two downleads, doesn't it?

    Technically, so does my quad LNB and four downleads, but essentially it is a lock in - does anyone non $ky supply receivers that use this method?


    It's not a sky proprietary type of LNB, but certainly it's far less common on non-Sky equipment.

    Perhaps, but the fibre type is a better solution (one fibre, one power cable), albeit expensive (or I would have upgraded to it).

    Fibre probably too 'difficult' for $ky engineers to install.

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Bob Latham on Sun Apr 10 14:42:39 2022
    On 10/04/2022 09:16 am, Bob Latham wrote:
    In article <jbekhoFca73U3@mid.individual.net>,
    JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
    On 09/04/2022 08:01 pm, Mark Carver wrote:

    On 09/04/2022 17:00, JNugent wrote:

    I sent it back because of the lack of an analogue output.

    Almost everything you buy from now onwards, you'll be sending back then !

    It seems so.

    But I have a little stash...

    Is this so that you can record stuff? If so, why not record digital?
    There are ways around the HDMI protection if that's the problem.

    I tried that with the Q box. But the HDMI out was part-scrambled. It
    worked OK for a week then stopped working.

    I do have a device for doing what you suggest, but haven't yet got round
    to trying it.

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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems L on Sun Apr 10 14:43:05 2022
    On 10/04/2022 12:05, Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd wrote:
    At one time you could replace a sky box with any other box to
    receive non-subcription services ... until the sky Q LNB.

    The wideband Sky Q LNB works with all satellite receivers, at least mine does since it feeds my 15 years old Humax Foxsat and the Sky Q box.

    Do you have a sky Q LNB with extra legacy universal LNB outputs or is it
    just a sky Q LNB with the two wideband outputs? I suspect the former as
    the designer of a 15 year old box would have required a crystal ball to
    support Sky Q wideband.


    But non-Sky receivers with more than two tuners are rare, little innovation in
    satellite in the last 15 years, except for Sky.

    No, unicable LNBs and FBC tuners have been around as long as Sky Q

    I've had 4 tuners in a (non sky) box for the past 7 years.

    My 7 year old box is stll in use and can be linked to slave boxes via
    wi-fi so the slave boxes can use one of the tuners, EPG and anything
    recorded on the hard disk. I can view live TV or recordings on my laptop
    or phone etc. The same capability can be achieved on boxes from a dozen different manufacturers.


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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 10 14:43:45 2022
    On 10/04/2022 09:44 am, alan_m wrote:
    On 10/04/2022 09:08, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
    Reading the web site I got the impression that the latest Sky Q could
    also
    just use the internet as well, but like many marketing sites, its a
    little
    bamboozling.
      Brian


    Any box that allows catch up TV must operate over the Interweb as does
    any box that supports random pay for view films etc. Sky Q boxes support
    both these modes of operation.

    Correct. And so does the predecessor Sky+HD box.

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Sun Apr 10 14:45:14 2022
    On 10/04/2022 11:28 am, Andy Burns wrote:

    Bob Latham wrote:

    Sky Glass, the TV doesn't use a dish, it operates entirely from the
    Internet unless there's a tv aerial socket, I've not checked that out.

    Surprisingly, there is an aerial input.

    You'd need that for moments when the internet is down.

    Is there an input for recorders, cameras, etc?

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 10 14:40:36 2022
    On 10/04/2022 09:08 am, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:

    Reading the web site I got the impression that the latest Sky Q could also just use the internet as well, but like many marketing sites, its a little bamboozling.

    I'm sure it can (it gets YouTube, for instance). But even an Amazon Fire
    stick has a browser built in.

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 10 18:04:25 2022
    On 10/04/2022 10:29, alan_m wrote:
    The sky Q box interfaces to the inbuilt camera in your TV and transmits
    the picture back to sky. From this information Sky knows how many people
    are watching.

    So some truth in those Ransomware EMails about them having video of you
    doing naughty things whilst watching TV / browsing?

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to Roderick Stewart on Sun Apr 10 18:06:17 2022
    On 10/04/2022 10:36, Roderick Stewart wrote:
    What's the point of a machine that collects
    more material than you can watch?

    So they can brag to their friends in the pub!

    The only possible use I can think of is a crazy football supporter
    recording ALL games.

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 10 17:23:17 2022
    On 10/04/2022 10:29, alan_m wrote:
    On 10/04/2022 09:41, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
    However its done, does the system talk to Sky and let them know ho
    watches
    what, or something?

    The sky Q box interfaces to the inbuilt camera in your TV and
    transmits the picture back to sky. From this information Sky knows how
    many people are watching.

    And automatically adds a box of tissues to your weekly on-line
    supermarket shop if it detects that 's necessary

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to R. Mark Clayton on Sun Apr 10 18:00:36 2022
    R. Mark Clayton wrote:

    essentially it is a lock in

    I agree that was probably their motivation

    does anyone non $ky supply receivers that use this method?

    Yes, freesat.

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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to Roderick Stewart on Sun Apr 10 19:42:54 2022
    On 10/04/2022 10:36, Roderick Stewart wrote:
    On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 23:22:55 +0100, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk>
    wrote:

    My current PVR can record more than 8 simultaneous programs with 2
    tuners fed from two outputs from a quad universal LNB. The limitation
    with two tuners is that all the channels/programs must be on the same
    two transponders. At the same time I can watch live TV from those
    transponders or watch anything recorded


    The main point I was making that the latest Sky offerings are not at the cutting edge of technology or unique to them. My PVR is 7 years old.

    I often will record things for later, watch 10 minutes and decide that
    it crap and delete immediately.

    I will also record programs I like and use the PVR to quickly skip
    through adverts. With one of my regular viewings I can press one of my
    skip forward buttons to miss the opening 45 seconds of the title
    sequence and with another skip 3 lots of 3 minute advertising slots

    My Freeview machine can only record two things at once, but even with
    that limitation the recordings were piling up faster than I could find
    the time to watch them, which is why on December 31st I decided to
    wipe the disk and not record any more, and literally haven't switched
    it on this year. I haven't missed it at all. I have thousands of hours
    of material available via the internet, but it's all handled by
    somebody else's machinery so I don't have to worry about it, and
    anything I don't want is much easier to igno>

    I don't spend too much time managing recordings and with 1 Tbyte hard
    disk I don't worry too much about it filling up.


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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 10 19:47:16 2022
    On 10/04/2022 09:24, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
    The only thing that attracts me about Sky is the voice I/O system it has. Surely if your box does not have an analogue output, you can use the optical output and one of those el cheapo little interfaces to make the Analogue video and audio.
    Optical out is SPDIF, so audio only. I've never seen any domestic kit
    with optical video out ?

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  • From Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems L@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 10 19:19:00 2022
    Do you have a sky Q LNB with extra legacy universal LNB outputs
    or is it just a sky Q LNB with the two wideband outputs? I
    suspect the former as the designer of a 15 year old box would
    have required a crystal ball to support Sky Q wideband.

    Sky installed it several years ago to replace an older non-Sky quad LNB, don't recall ever being told the outputs were different capability, did not have to mess around the find cables that worked with each receiver, but never tried swapping them around.

    Assumed the Sky LNBs were auto selecting narrow/wide band, in the same way as horiz/vert, low/high band. But I recall he had different LNBs in the van and not all might do that.

    Angus

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 10 20:02:55 2022
    On 10/04/2022 09:08, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
    Reading the web site I got the impression that the latest Sky Q could also just use the internet as well, but like many marketing sites, its a little bamboozling.
    Most of what we watch on Sky Q actually comes via the internet and not
    the dish.

    Browsers on TVs and set top boxes are really clunky. Best solution is to
    have an Android phone, and 'cast' whatever you browse to on the phone,
    onto your telly direct.

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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 10 20:19:04 2022
    On 10/04/2022 18:06, MB wrote:
    On 10/04/2022 10:36, Roderick Stewart wrote:
    What's the point of a machine that collects
    more material than you can watch?

    So they can brag to their friends in the pub!

    The only possible use I can think of is a crazy football supporter
    recording ALL games.


    Just because a box can doesn't mean that you do. My box has 4 tuners,
    two satellite and two terrestrial, and it can record from them all simultaneously and more than 8 programs at once if on the same two
    transponders or same two MUXs. The number of times I have recorded 4
    programs at the same time is possibly only once or twice in a year.

    What it also allows me to do when recording 2 programs on two different transponders/MUXs is to flick through all possible alternative programs
    to watch live. With two tuners dedicated to two recordings I would be
    limited to only being able to access programs on the same transponders/MUxs.

    Having free turners allows my 7 year old box to support a second box in
    another room. The second box can use any of the free tuners via the home network or direct wi-fi. The second box can also instigate and access
    the recordings on the hard disk. Although I have a quad universal LNB my
    box will support a unicable LNB but I could get the equivalent of two
    outputs from the universal LNB but via one down-lead cable (then using
    a £3 spitter just before the box to connect to its two inputs).

    The distribution of aerial and satellite around my house is a dozen
    years old and is via multiple leads. If I wanted the equivalent from
    scratch today I could have one lead from my satellite dish and one lead
    from my aerial. I would buy a mid-range box with multiple tuners and a
    large hard drive for recording. For another other room I could buy a box
    for around £80 with no hard drive and connect it via wi-fi to my main
    box and it would have the same functionality because it was sharing the facilities in the main box (tuners and hard drive). Now having more than
    two tuners and the ability to record more simultaneously makes more sense.


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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to R. Mark Clayton on Sun Apr 10 20:35:00 2022
    On 10/04/2022 13:30, R. Mark Clayton wrote:


    Perhaps, but the fibre type is a better solution (one fibre, one power cable), albeit expensive (or I would have upgraded to it).

    Fibre probably too 'difficult' for $ky engineers to install.

    But unicable (unicable II) is just as easy to install and just one lead
    from the dish, and much easier to distribute around the house. You need
    a receiver that can support a unicable LNB and possibly one with FCB
    tuners to take full advantage but the latter is not essential.

    <https://www.world-of-satellite.com/showthread.php?59981-Guide-to-using-Unicable>

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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Sun Apr 10 20:39:24 2022
    On 10/04/2022 11:28, Andy Burns wrote:
    Bob Latham wrote:

    Sky Glass, the TV doesn't use a dish, it operates entirely from the
    Internet unless there's a tv aerial socket, I've not checked that out.

    Surprisingly, there is an aerial input.

    And it only cost £60 per annum to enable the facility to skip the
    adverts :)

    It's in the small print, free for the first year but then £5 extra a month.

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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems L on Mon Apr 11 01:18:44 2022
    On 10/04/2022 19:18, Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd wrote:


    Assumed the Sky LNBs were auto selecting narrow/wide band, in the same way as horiz/vert, low/high band. But I recall he had different LNBs in the van and not all might do that.

    Sky q widebands works in a different way
    One cable carries all horizontal transponders and the other carries all vertical transponders. You need both cables connected for a full
    service. They have also nicked the terrestrial TV frequencies for
    satellite so you cannot now combine terrestrial TV and Sat in one down
    lead and split them at a faceplate.


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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Mon Apr 11 08:06:07 2022
    Yes well I was thinking of something more naughty myself.
    I have to say that the new Amazon Echo View device which can follow you by rotating its screen as you walk around is creepy.
    Its another one of those products that falls into the category, why did you
    do it, because we can. I wonder that it would do if there were two people probably have the Alexa equivalent of a nervous breakdown.
    Brian

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    On 10/04/2022 10:29, alan_m wrote:
    On 10/04/2022 09:41, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
    However its done, does the system talk to Sky and let them know ho
    watches
    what, or something?

    The sky Q box interfaces to the inbuilt camera in your TV and transmits
    the picture back to sky. From this information Sky knows how many people
    are watching.

    And automatically adds a box of tissues to your weekly on-line supermarket shop if it detects that 's necessary



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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to junk@admac.myzen.co.uk on Mon Apr 11 08:02:06 2022
    I don't believe that for a second! That would be commercial suicide.
    My tv has no camera.
    You can connect one if you want to of course but really why would you want
    to be bothered?


    If you want a good laugh, if you go on the web into your Alexa account you
    can see how unsmart their system really is.
    You said (plays recording)
    Alexa herd (puts text)


    Can be very funny.
    Brian

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    On 10/04/2022 09:41, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
    However its done, does the system talk to Sky and let them know ho
    watches
    what, or something?

    The sky Q box interfaces to the inbuilt camera in your TV and transmits
    the picture back to sky. From this information Sky knows how many people
    are watching.



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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to MB@nospam.net on Mon Apr 11 08:14:33 2022
    Oh those are really hilarious , not seen one for a while now. In today's
    world I doubt if anyone would really care what you were doing in front of
    your computer or tv.
    What I could never understand was why they wanted to be played in bitcoins.
    Most people would not know how to do that in any case.
    I used to deliberately do searches for stupid things some a bit naughty
    others just downright silly. It is often interesting to see if it affects
    the adverts you get sent. I don't really think I detected any difference except it used to find me adverts for Venetian blinds a lot.

    So much for AI.

    Talking of on line scams though, these fake Eastern European girlfrieind
    emails and the ones about helping some bent African to get his illegal dosh
    out of the country are still coming in. Surely people do not fall for this crap, still.

    Brian

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    On 10/04/2022 10:29, alan_m wrote:
    The sky Q box interfaces to the inbuilt camera in your TV and transmits
    the picture back to sky. From this information Sky knows how many people
    are watching.

    So some truth in those Ransomware EMails about them having video of you
    doing naughty things whilst watching TV / browsing?

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 11 08:22:53 2022
    On 10/04/2022 14:43, alan_m wrote:
    On 10/04/2022 12:05, Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd wrote:
    At one time you could replace a sky box with any other box to
    receive non-subcription services ... until the sky Q LNB.

    The wideband Sky Q LNB works with all satellite receivers, at least
    mine does
    since it feeds my 15 years old Humax Foxsat and the Sky Q box.

    Do you have a sky Q LNB with extra legacy universal LNB outputs or is
    it just a sky Q LNB with the two wideband outputs? I suspect the
    former as the designer of a 15 year old box would have required a
    crystal ball to support Sky Q wideband.

    Yes. I tried my 12 year old Humax Freesat box on the two Wideband LNB
    ports of a 6 port hybrid LNB, and it didn't work properly. A couple
    channels randomly appeared, but they had been heterodyned onto the wrong frequencies, and therefore not the PIDs etc the box was expecting, so it
    got very confused. I replugged it to the two 'Universal' ports, and all
    good

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 11 08:40:32 2022
    On 11/04/2022 08:02, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
    I don't believe that for a second! That would be commercial suicide.

    It is a scam that like other scams that is sent out to millions of
    people irrespective of whether they have a camera or have viewed dodgy channels.

    But it scares people into paying the ransom, if only a tiny percentage
    pay up then they can make a lot of money.

    But they seemed to have quietened down, must have found a different,
    more profitable, scam.

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  • From Roderick Stewart@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 11 10:55:14 2022
    On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 10:29:25 +0100, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk>
    wrote:

    The sky Q box interfaces to the inbuilt camera in your TV and transmits
    the picture back to sky. From this information Sky knows how many people
    are watching.

    I read a story once about a dystopian future world with telescreens
    that would watch the viewers and couldn't be switched off. It was
    written on a Scottish island a long time ago - published the year I
    was born in fact - but it was just a story, and I never thought
    anything like it would ever come true...

    Rod.

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  • From Roderick Stewart@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 11 10:44:59 2022
    On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 19:42:54 +0100, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk>
    wrote:

    I don't spend too much time managing recordings and with 1 Tbyte hard
    disk I don't worry too much about it filling up.

    Neither did I, but with 500Gbyte about threequarters full, some of it
    more than a year old, and about 90 percent of it unwatched, on the
    31st of December last year I asked myself what was the point of
    keeping it, and had no answer.

    Rod.

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Roderick Stewart on Mon Apr 11 11:12:50 2022
    On 11/04/2022 10:55 am, Roderick Stewart wrote:

    alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

    The sky Q box interfaces to the inbuilt camera in your TV and transmits
    the picture back to sky. From this information Sky knows how many people
    are watching.

    I read a story once about a dystopian future world with telescreens
    that would watch the viewers and couldn't be switched off.

    "1984"?

    It was
    written on a Scottish island a long time ago - published the year I
    was born in fact - but it was just a story, and I never thought
    anything like it would ever come true...

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to Roderick Stewart on Mon Apr 11 12:11:17 2022
    On 11/04/2022 10:55, Roderick Stewart wrote:
    I read a story once about a dystopian future world with telescreens
    that would watch the viewers and couldn't be switched off. It was
    written on a Scottish island a long time ago - published the year I
    was born in fact - but it was just a story, and I never thought
    anything like it would ever come true...

    And when the videophone became possible, there were reservations because
    of similar implications. The usual worry was young women receiving calls
    from strangers when in a state of undress.

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  • From Roderick Stewart@21:1/5 to MB@nospam.net on Mon Apr 11 12:54:37 2022
    On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 12:11:17 +0100, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

    On 11/04/2022 10:55, Roderick Stewart wrote:
    I read a story once about a dystopian future world with telescreens
    that would watch the viewers and couldn't be switched off. It was
    written on a Scottish island a long time ago - published the year I
    was born in fact - but it was just a story, and I never thought
    anything like it would ever come true...

    And when the videophone became possible, there were reservations because
    of similar implications. The usual worry was young women receiving calls
    from strangers when in a state of undress.

    Then came the internet, and a situation where lots of young women
    willingly post pictures of themselves in a state of undress. Those
    pictures on the Daily Mail website are not all taken by reporters.

    Rod.

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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to Roderick Stewart on Tue Apr 12 08:41:32 2022
    People have something called vanity, and I suspect that drives a lot of
    these. You would not expect a load of ugly people to post images of
    themselves in a state of undress. Of course those who are considered ugly
    can suffer loss of self esteem when people do this. What people need to
    realise is just as the old proverb says, beauty can be only skin deep. Its
    the person which matters. There is also a tendency for certain personality types to want they few minutes of fame. Just look at the reality TV shows.
    Not for me, but they obviously know there is a possibility of being
    humiliated, but they just do not care.

    Brian

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    On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 12:11:17 +0100, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

    On 11/04/2022 10:55, Roderick Stewart wrote:
    I read a story once about a dystopian future world with telescreens
    that would watch the viewers and couldn't be switched off. It was
    written on a Scottish island a long time ago - published the year I
    was born in fact - but it was just a story, and I never thought
    anything like it would ever come true...

    And when the videophone became possible, there were reservations because
    of similar implications. The usual worry was young women receiving calls >>from strangers when in a state of undress.

    Then came the internet, and a situation where lots of young women
    willingly post pictures of themselves in a state of undress. Those
    pictures on the Daily Mail website are not all taken by reporters.

    Rod.

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  • From Tweed@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Thu Apr 14 07:45:24 2022
    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
    Brian Gaff wrote:

    If you get Sky Q now one assumes that the boxes simply use the internet

    Apparently they will be launching the Sky Stream Puck which is a dishless STB,
    effectively the guts of a Sky Glass without the inbuilt screen.


    The Sky dish less service (aka Glass) isn’t going down too well with customers. Eg

    https://helpforum.sky.com/t5/Sky-Glass/Sky-Glass-Doesn-t-do-what-it-says-on-the-tin/td-p/3974843

    There are also numerous other complaints on that forum. It is not a direct replacement for their dish delivered service. Some dish delivered channels,
    eg Talking Pictures, are missing.

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to Tweed on Thu Apr 14 08:52:47 2022
    On 14/04/2022 08:45, Tweed wrote:
    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
    Brian Gaff wrote:

    If you get Sky Q now one assumes that the boxes simply use the internet
    Apparently they will be launching the Sky Stream Puck which is a dishless STB,
    effectively the guts of a Sky Glass without the inbuilt screen.

    The Sky dish less service (aka Glass) isn’t going down too well with customers. Eg

    https://helpforum.sky.com/t5/Sky-Glass/Sky-Glass-Doesn-t-do-what-it-says-on-the-tin/td-p/3974843

    There are also numerous other complaints on that forum. It is not a direct replacement for their dish delivered service. Some dish delivered channels, eg Talking Pictures, are missing.

    It will require Talking Pictures et al, to provide themselves as a
    streamed output. They probably can't afford to, all the time they are
    also on DTT and D-Sat.

    However, Sky's unstoppable direction of travel is to move completely to streaming delivery, and get rid of satellite.

    By the end of this decade (assuming humanity actually makes it that
    far)  Glass and Puck will seen as comically primitive devices.

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  • From Tweed@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Thu Apr 14 08:04:41 2022
    Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 14/04/2022 08:45, Tweed wrote:
    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
    Brian Gaff wrote:

    If you get Sky Q now one assumes that the boxes simply use the internet >>> Apparently they will be launching the Sky Stream Puck which is a dishless STB,
    effectively the guts of a Sky Glass without the inbuilt screen.

    The Sky dish less service (aka Glass) isn’t going down too well with
    customers. Eg

    https://helpforum.sky.com/t5/Sky-Glass/Sky-Glass-Doesn-t-do-what-it-says-on-the-tin/td-p/3974843

    There are also numerous other complaints on that forum. It is not a direct >> replacement for their dish delivered service. Some dish delivered channels, >> eg Talking Pictures, are missing.

    It will require Talking Pictures et al, to provide themselves as a
    streamed output. They probably can't afford to, all the time they are
    also on DTT and D-Sat.

    However, Sky's unstoppable direction of travel is to move completely to streaming delivery, and get rid of satellite.

    By the end of this decade (assuming humanity actually makes it that
    far)  Glass and Puck will seen as comically primitive devices.


    Well yes, satellite and DTT delivery will wither. I wonder if a rump DTT service will continue? My son has a new flat that doesn’t have an aerial,
    the previous occupants using a VM box. He’s getting by with an Amazon Firestick which seems to provide live access to the PSB channels.

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Thu Apr 14 08:45:49 2022
    On 14/04/2022 08:20, Andy Burns wrote:
    Brian Gaff wrote:

    If you get Sky Q now one assumes that the boxes simply use the internet

    Apparently they will be launching the Sky Stream Puck which is a
    dishless STB, effectively the guts of a Sky Glass without the inbuilt
    screen.

    I think that will prove to be more popular than Sky Glass. Sky Glass
    almost feels like something Comcast HQ forced Sky UK to do, despite Sky probably advising such a thing isn't going to fly in the UK market. Now
    they've been vindicated, the Puck feels far more the way to go.........

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Brian Gaff on Thu Apr 14 08:20:01 2022
    Brian Gaff wrote:

    If you get Sky Q now one assumes that the boxes simply use the internet

    Apparently they will be launching the Sky Stream Puck which is a dishless STB, effectively the guts of a Sky Glass without the inbuilt screen.

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Tweed on Thu Apr 14 12:12:58 2022
    On 14/04/2022 08:45 am, Tweed wrote:
    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
    Brian Gaff wrote:

    If you get Sky Q now one assumes that the boxes simply use the internet

    Apparently they will be launching the Sky Stream Puck which is a dishless STB,
    effectively the guts of a Sky Glass without the inbuilt screen.


    The Sky dish less service (aka Glass) isn’t going down too well with customers. Eg

    https://helpforum.sky.com/t5/Sky-Glass/Sky-Glass-Doesn-t-do-what-it-says-on-the-tin/td-p/3974843

    There are also numerous other complaints on that forum. It is not a direct replacement for their dish delivered service. Some dish delivered channels, eg Talking Pictures, are missing.

    Problem...

    But at least TPTV is on Freeview.

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Thu Apr 14 12:17:33 2022
    On 14/04/2022 08:52 am, Mark Carver wrote:

    On 14/04/2022 08:45, Tweed wrote:
    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
    Brian Gaff wrote:

    If you get Sky Q now one assumes that the boxes simply use the internet >>> Apparently they will be launching the Sky Stream Puck which is a
    dishless STB,
    effectively the guts of a Sky Glass without the inbuilt screen.

    The Sky dish less service (aka Glass) isn’t going down too well with
    customers. Eg

    https://helpforum.sky.com/t5/Sky-Glass/Sky-Glass-Doesn-t-do-what-it-says-on-the-tin/td-p/3974843

    There are also numerous other complaints on that forum. It is not a
    direct replacement for their dish delivered service. Some dish
    delivered channels, eg Talking Pictures, are missing.

    It will require Talking Pictures et al, to provide themselves as a
    streamed output. They probably can't afford to, all the time they are
    also on DTT and D-Sat.

    Interesting. TPTV now has a web-based on-demand catch-up service, but
    only available via a browser (of whatever sort).

    I wonder how much more expensive it would be for TPTV to make their
    server contents available to the Sky catch-up service (for download to a
    drive rather than streaming)? Sky already has BBC, ITV, C4, C5, UKTV,
    Sky (of course), plus Peacock and other services.

    However, Sky's unstoppable direction of travel is to move completely to streaming delivery, and get rid of satellite.

    By the end of this decade (assuming humanity actually makes it that
    far)  Glass and Puck will seen as comically primitive devices.

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