I got a new battery for my iPod Classic and it would not charge. I
contacted the supplier, who said I needed to use a 1 amp charger and
not the 2.1 amp charger for my iPad Mini. It never occurred to me
that the amperage of the charger could be too high. This is not made
very clear by Apple. Does this mean an iPod Classic cannot be charged
using an integral charging socket on the wall? Will everyone (except
me) know this?
I thought USB was universal. Is it best after all to use the supplied charger for each product as in the old days? Just interested.
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
I got a new battery for my iPod Classic and it would not charge. I
contacted the supplier, who said I needed to use a 1 amp charger and
not the 2.1 amp charger for my iPad Mini. It never occurred to me
that the amperage of the charger could be too high. This is not made
very clear by Apple. Does this mean an iPod Classic cannot be charged
using an integral charging socket on the wall? Will everyone (except
me) know this?
I thought USB was universal. Is it best after all to use the supplied
charger for each product as in the old days? Just interested.
The charger current rating can’t be too high. The consuming circuit determines how much current is required (for a given voltage before we go down a rabbit hole of USB-C chargers that can negotiate a higher voltage to push more amps).
Tweed wrote:
I thought USB was universal.
I think Apple do "weird stuff" with networks of resistors on the data
pins, to indicate available current from charger to device, maybe new
ipad chargers confuse old ipods?
I thought USB was universal.
[...]I thought USB was universal. Is it best after all to use the supplied
charger for each product as in the old days? Just interested.
It seems its more to do with the iPod requiring non standard voltage so
the usb data pins before it will accept charge. The iPad charger is not >providing this.
https://learn.adafruit.com/minty-boost/icharging
On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 08:08:23 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]I thought USB was universal. Is it best after all to use the supplied >>>> charger for each product as in the old days? Just interested.
It seems its more to do with the iPod requiring non standard voltage so
the usb data pins before it will accept charge. The iPad charger is not
providing this.
https://learn.adafruit.com/minty-boost/icharging
A fascinating article, which makes me glad I've never had anything to
do with Apple products. They really do seem determined to make their
stuff as incompatible as possible with everything else so that you
have to buy their expensive accessories to make it work.
Rod.
On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 08:08:23 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]I thought USB was universal. Is it best after all to use the supplied >>>> charger for each product as in the old days? Just interested.
It seems its more to do with the iPod requiring non standard voltage so
the usb data pins before it will accept charge. The iPad charger is not
providing this.
https://learn.adafruit.com/minty-boost/icharging
A fascinating article, which makes me glad I've never had anything to
do with Apple products. They really do seem determined to make their
stuff as incompatible as possible with everything else so that you
have to buy their expensive accessories to make it work.
Rod.
On 26/03/2022 09:18, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 08:08:23 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]I thought USB was universal. Is it best after all to use the supplied >>>>> charger for each product as in the old days? Just interested.
It seems its more to do with the iPod requiring non standard voltage so >>> the usb data pins before it will accept charge. The iPad charger is not
providing this.
https://learn.adafruit.com/minty-boost/icharging
A fascinating article, which makes me glad I've never had anything to
do with Apple products. They really do seem determined to make their
stuff as incompatible as possible with everything else so that you
have to buy their expensive accessories to make it work.
Rod.
It isn't just Apple though. Many years ago I bought a (now obsolete)
Android 4 tablet. It came with a charger that plugged into the mains
and had a USB socket outlet. There was also a bespoke connector that >connected that USB socket to the tablet.
If I connected the bespoke lead to the tablet and the USB connector to a >computer, the computer saw the tablet as a couple of disc drives (main
memory and SD memory). But connecting the same lead to the power supply
it charged the tablet battery. According to the manual, the charging
voltage is 15V. So I have a mains wall wart with a USB socket that
delivers 15V. Anyone trying to reuse it as a general purpose USB
charger is going to fry whatever they intend to charge.
Jim
Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 08:08:23 -0000 (UTC), TweedWell not really. All the main manufactures got up to similar schemes when
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]I thought USB was universal. Is it best after all to use the supplied >>>>> charger for each product as in the old days? Just interested.
It seems its more to do with the iPod requiring non standard voltage so >>> the usb data pins before it will accept charge. The iPad charger is not
providing this.
https://learn.adafruit.com/minty-boost/icharging
A fascinating article, which makes me glad I've never had anything to
do with Apple products. They really do seem determined to make their
stuff as incompatible as possible with everything else so that you
have to buy their expensive accessories to make it work.
it became apparent that the original USB power output was inadequate. Eventually it has led to the USB-C power delivery standard where devices
can negotiate an increase in voltage and thus an increase in current.
Pretty much all mainstream devices are using or will use that standard.
On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 14:07:25 +0000, Indy Jess John <bathwatchdog@OMITTHISgooglemail.com> wrote:
On 26/03/2022 09:18, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 08:08:23 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]I thought USB was universal. Is it best after all to use the supplied >>>>>> charger for each product as in the old days? Just interested.
It seems its more to do with the iPod requiring non standard voltage so >>>> the usb data pins before it will accept charge. The iPad charger is not >>>> providing this.
https://learn.adafruit.com/minty-boost/icharging
A fascinating article, which makes me glad I've never had anything to
do with Apple products. They really do seem determined to make their
stuff as incompatible as possible with everything else so that you
have to buy their expensive accessories to make it work.
Rod.
It isn't just Apple though. Many years ago I bought a (now obsolete)
Android 4 tablet. It came with a charger that plugged into the mains
and had a USB socket outlet. There was also a bespoke connector that
connected that USB socket to the tablet.
If I connected the bespoke lead to the tablet and the USB connector to a
computer, the computer saw the tablet as a couple of disc drives (main
memory and SD memory). But connecting the same lead to the power supply
it charged the tablet battery. According to the manual, the charging
voltage is 15V. So I have a mains wall wart with a USB socket that
delivers 15V. Anyone trying to reuse it as a general purpose USB
charger is going to fry whatever they intend to charge.
Jim
At least we now have Qualcom Quickcharge 3, which is a sort of
standard as it seems to be used by several manufacturers (though not
Apple of course). A QC3 charger normally works like any other 5V
supply unless a compatible phone is plugged into it, whereupon the
phone uses the data lines to signal to the charger that it can accept
a higher volage. I've seen the voltage go to 9V when charging my
Samsung phone, and I understand that it can switch to higher voltages depending on what's plugged into it, though I don't happen to possess anything that wants more than 9V.
Curiously, a Chomebook that I recently acquired via Ebay came without
a charger and only had a USB-C port for charging, but wouldn't charge
from any of my existing chargers. So I got a charger advertised as
suitable for the Chromebook, and it works, but my USB meter registers
nothing at all from its USB-C output. I can only assume that it either
uses different pins (non-standard?) or it somehow has to detect the
presence of a bona fide Chromebook before it will produce any output.
I hope so, because the markings on the charger indicate it has a fixed
output of 20V and I don't think that would do a phone any good. I'm
not sure how it could initially detect a Chromebook with a completely
flat battery as mine was when I received it, if this depended on the Chromebook generating an ident signal though.
Rod.
Scott wrote:
you you think a voltage mismatch is more likely to be the issue
than a charger with too high an amperage?
As others have explained, the maximum current that can be supplied is a feature
of the charger, the actual current that will be taken is a feature of the device
being charged.
On Sat 26/03/2022 08:23, Andy Burns wrote:
Tweed wrote:
I thought USB was universal.
I think Apple do "weird stuff" with networks of resistors on the data
pins, to indicate available current from charger to device, maybe new
ipad chargers confuse old ipods?
ISTR my iPod Classic original charger was rated 5.1V or might even have
been 5.2V
you you think a voltage mismatch is more likely to be the issue
than a charger with too high an amperage?
So you say, but when I tried to charge the device with a 2.1A charger,
it would not charge. The charger is tested and working. When I tried
to charge the iPod with a 1A charger, it charged okay.
You don't need a higher voltage to take more current.
On 27/03/2022 12:13, Scott wrote:
So you say, but when I tried to charge the device with a 2.1A charger,
it would not charge. The charger is tested and working. When I tried
to charge the iPod with a 1A charger, it charged okay.
Without some signalling to the charger, a device shouldn't try to draw
more than 100mA. It is possible that 100mA doesn't look like charging,
and it probably won't be if the device is active. It could also be that
the USB default is considered to be too inadequate that the device
doesn't even attempt to limit itself to 100mA, but prefers to ignore >something that doesn't offer the current it wants.
On 27/03/2022 11:20, Max Demian wrote:
You don't need a higher voltage to take more current.
Yes and no. You need a higher voltage, on the wire, to push more
current into the battery, but the current on the wire is still
constrained to avoid overheating.
There is going to be a DC to DC convertor in the phone, which converts
high voltage, medium current, into battery voltage and high current.
I think the current on the wire can go up a bit, as you can accept more voltage drop in the wire, as it is a smaller proportion of the total
voltage.
On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 12:28:48 +0100, David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> wrote:
On 27/03/2022 12:13, Scott wrote:
So you say, but when I tried to charge the device with a 2.1A charger,
it would not charge. The charger is tested and working. When I tried
to charge the iPod with a 1A charger, it charged okay.
Without some signalling to the charger, a device shouldn't try to draw
more than 100mA. It is possible that 100mA doesn't look like charging,
and it probably won't be if the device is active. It could also be that
the USB default is considered to be too inadequate that the device
doesn't even attempt to limit itself to 100mA, but prefers to ignore
something that doesn't offer the current it wants.
So it is the case that the device won't charge because the amperage of
the charger is too high? This seems illlogical and no-one believes
me, but I can assure you this is what happened and my puzzlement
remains.
So it is the case that the device won't charge because the amperage of
the charger is too high?
Andy Burns wrote:
As others have explained, the maximum current that can be supplied is a feature
of the charger, the actual current that will be taken is a feature of the device
being charged.
So you say, but when I tried to charge the device with a 2.1A charger,
it would not charge.
Scott wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:
As others have explained, the maximum current that can be supplied is a feature
of the charger, the actual current that will be taken is a feature of the device
being charged.
So you say, but when I tried to charge the device with a 2.1A charger,
it would not charge.
I believe you, but it's not because it's a 2.1A charger, it's because it isn't
an iPod charger, so doesn't know the 'secret handshake'
On 27/03/2022 12:34, Scott wrote:
So it is the case that the device won't charge because the amperage of
the charger is too high?
No it is because it doesn't see the signalling that indicates that it is >capable of more than 100mA, or given that there probably is a reasonably
full USB interface, doesn't know how to negotiate beyond the original >absolute limit of 500mA.
The charger it expects, probably abuses the signalling leads to use
analogue means of indicating that it can provide more than the USB
standard allows, but the current generation of chargers use digital
means, and won't provide the analogue indication the device is
expecting. I'd expect the analogue indication to compromise the use of
the data wires for real digital data, so I suspect that a charger can't >appear to both.
Why does an iPod need more than 100mA? Surely
it should charge with what it gets and just take longer.
Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 14:07:25 +0000, Indy Jess John
<bathwatchdog@OMITTHISgooglemail.com> wrote:
On 26/03/2022 09:18, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 08:08:23 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]I thought USB was universal. Is it best after all to use the supplied >>>>>>> charger for each product as in the old days? Just interested.
It seems it?s more to do with the iPod requiring non standard voltage so >>>>> the usb data pins before it will accept charge. The iPad charger is not >>>>> providing this.
https://learn.adafruit.com/minty-boost/icharging
A fascinating article, which makes me glad I've never had anything to
do with Apple products. They really do seem determined to make their
stuff as incompatible as possible with everything else so that you
have to buy their expensive accessories to make it work.
Rod.
It isn't just Apple though. Many years ago I bought a (now obsolete)
Android 4 tablet. It came with a charger that plugged into the mains
and had a USB socket outlet. There was also a bespoke connector that
connected that USB socket to the tablet.
If I connected the bespoke lead to the tablet and the USB connector to a >>> computer, the computer saw the tablet as a couple of disc drives (main
memory and SD memory). But connecting the same lead to the power supply >>> it charged the tablet battery. According to the manual, the charging
voltage is 15V. So I have a mains wall wart with a USB socket that
delivers 15V. Anyone trying to reuse it as a general purpose USB
charger is going to fry whatever they intend to charge.
Jim
At least we now have Qualcom Quickcharge 3, which is a sort of
standard as it seems to be used by several manufacturers (though not
Apple of course). A QC3 charger normally works like any other 5V
supply unless a compatible phone is plugged into it, whereupon the
phone uses the data lines to signal to the charger that it can accept
a higher volage. I've seen the voltage go to 9V when charging my
Samsung phone, and I understand that it can switch to higher voltages
depending on what's plugged into it, though I don't happen to possess
anything that wants more than 9V.
Curiously, a Chomebook that I recently acquired via Ebay came without
a charger and only had a USB-C port for charging, but wouldn't charge
from any of my existing chargers. So I got a charger advertised as
suitable for the Chromebook, and it works, but my USB meter registers
nothing at all from its USB-C output. I can only assume that it either
uses different pins (non-standard?) or it somehow has to detect the
presence of a bona fide Chromebook before it will produce any output.
I hope so, because the markings on the charger indicate it has a fixed
output of 20V and I don't think that would do a phone any good. I'm
not sure how it could initially detect a Chromebook with a completely
flat battery as mine was when I received it, if this depended on the
Chromebook generating an ident signal though.
Rod.
Your chrome book will be using the USB-C power delivery standard. In simple >terms the link starts at a safe 5V and the charger and device negotiate a >safe higher voltage.
On 27/03/2022 18:00, Scott wrote:
Why does an iPod need more than 100mA? Surely
it should charge with what it gets and just take longer.
What it gets could be anything up to what it tries to take, but that
might overheat the power supply or the USB interface in the PC it is
charging from, or might cause the USB hub to current limit causing other >devices on the same hub fail through under-voltage.
On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 19:49:46 +0100, David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> wrote:
On 27/03/2022 18:00, Scott wrote:
Why does an iPod need more than 100mA? Surely
it should charge with what it gets and just take longer.
What it gets could be anything up to what it tries to take, but that
might overheat the power supply or the USB interface in the PC it is
charging from, or might cause the USB hub to current limit causing other
devices on the same hub fail through under-voltage.
Okay, but my point remains that if an Apple charger is not compatible
with an Apple product, it should say so clearly on the box.
On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 19:49:46 +0100, David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> wrote:
On 27/03/2022 18:00, Scott wrote:
Why does an iPod need more than 100mA? Surely
it should charge with what it gets and just take longer.
What it gets could be anything up to what it tries to take, but that
might overheat the power supply or the USB interface in the PC it is
charging from, or might cause the USB hub to current limit causing other
devices on the same hub fail through under-voltage.
Okay, but my point remains that if an Apple charger is not compatible
with an Apple product, it should say so clearly on the box.
On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 19:32:34 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 19:49:46 +0100, David WoolleyDepends how it was sold. Was it marked as a universal charger for any Apple >> product? Or was it sold as an iPad charger?
<david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> wrote:
On 27/03/2022 18:00, Scott wrote:
Why does an iPod need more than 100mA? Surely
it should charge with what it gets and just take longer.
What it gets could be anything up to what it tries to take, but that
might overheat the power supply or the USB interface in the PC it is
charging from, or might cause the USB hub to current limit causing other >>>> devices on the same hub fail through under-voltage.
Okay, but my point remains that if an Apple charger is not compatible
with an Apple product, it should say so clearly on the box.
I was a long time ago and I do not remember. I think they are on sale
at WH Smith so I can take a look.
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 19:49:46 +0100, David WoolleyDepends how it was sold. Was it marked as a universal charger for any Apple >product? Or was it sold as an iPad charger?
<david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> wrote:
On 27/03/2022 18:00, Scott wrote:
Why does an iPod need more than 100mA? Surely
it should charge with what it gets and just take longer.
What it gets could be anything up to what it tries to take, but that
might overheat the power supply or the USB interface in the PC it is
charging from, or might cause the USB hub to current limit causing other >>> devices on the same hub fail through under-voltage.
Okay, but my point remains that if an Apple charger is not compatible
with an Apple product, it should say so clearly on the box.
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 19:32:34 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 19:49:46 +0100, David WoolleyDepends how it was sold. Was it marked as a universal charger for any Apple >>> product? Or was it sold as an iPad charger?
<david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> wrote:
On 27/03/2022 18:00, Scott wrote:
Why does an iPod need more than 100mA? Surely
it should charge with what it gets and just take longer.
What it gets could be anything up to what it tries to take, but that >>>>> might overheat the power supply or the USB interface in the PC it is >>>>> charging from, or might cause the USB hub to current limit causing other >>>>> devices on the same hub fail through under-voltage.
Okay, but my point remains that if an Apple charger is not compatible
with an Apple product, it should say so clearly on the box.
I was a long time ago and I do not remember. I think they are on sale
at WH Smith so I can take a look.
If it is one of these
https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MGN03B/A/apple-12w-usb-power-adapter
Under compatibility the iPod classic is not listed. But granted, its in
the small print, and in the headline info
Use this compact and convenient USB-based power adapter to charge your >iPhone, iPad or iPod with Lightning connector at home, on the road or >whenever its not connected to a computer. You can connect the adapter >directly to your device via the Lightning connector.
it might lead you to think it could charge your iPod.
On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 20:08:01 -0000 (UTC), Tweedca9383411403837aa33a92da2969d1388fd6db9b75b6a50599437d08b6ffbb478ca7535e94b61fa55a71c1d7710e5f0d66ea4b644c7d2a39554e83b8eb76a0b7603a2124e0176e8b193976beaf31bb5eca42d3ab7e01888de2ec7833193816d71ecf9a1fa650aa01d79b9f81da786c38
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 19:32:34 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 19:49:46 +0100, David WoolleyDepends how it was sold. Was it marked as a universal charger for any Apple
<david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> wrote:
On 27/03/2022 18:00, Scott wrote:
Why does an iPod need more than 100mA? Surely
it should charge with what it gets and just take longer.
What it gets could be anything up to what it tries to take, but that >>>>>> might overheat the power supply or the USB interface in the PC it is >>>>>> charging from, or might cause the USB hub to current limit causing other >>>>>> devices on the same hub fail through under-voltage.
Okay, but my point remains that if an Apple charger is not compatible >>>>> with an Apple product, it should say so clearly on the box.
product? Or was it sold as an iPad charger?
I was a long time ago and I do not remember. I think they are on sale
at WH Smith so I can take a look.
If it is one of these
https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MGN03B/A/apple-12w-usb-power-adapter >>
Under compatibility the iPod classic is not listed. But granted, its in
the small print, and in the headline info
Use this compact and convenient USB-based power adapter to charge your
iPhone, iPad or iPod with Lightning connector at home, on the road or
whenever its not connected to a computer. You can connect the adapter
directly to your device via the Lightning connector.
it might lead you to think it could charge your iPod.
No - this one: https://genuineappleaccessories.co.uk/apple-accessories/apple-5w-eu-usb-power-adapter/
which is the EU version of this: https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MGN43B/A/apple-5w-usb-power-adapter?fnode=
I cannot see any exclusion in either.
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:ca9383411403837aa33a92da2969d1388fd6db9b75b6a50599437d08b6ffbb478ca7535e94b61fa55a71c1d7710e5f0d66ea4b644c7d2a39554e83b8eb76a0b7603a2124e0176e8b193976beaf31bb5eca42d3ab7e01888de2ec7833193816d71ecf9a1fa650aa01d79b9f81da786c38
On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 20:08:01 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 19:32:34 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 19:49:46 +0100, David WoolleyDepends how it was sold. Was it marked as a universal charger for any Apple
<david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> wrote:
On 27/03/2022 18:00, Scott wrote:
Why does an iPod need more than 100mA? Surely
it should charge with what it gets and just take longer.
What it gets could be anything up to what it tries to take, but that >>>>>>> might overheat the power supply or the USB interface in the PC it is >>>>>>> charging from, or might cause the USB hub to current limit causing other
devices on the same hub fail through under-voltage.
Okay, but my point remains that if an Apple charger is not compatible >>>>>> with an Apple product, it should say so clearly on the box.
product? Or was it sold as an iPad charger?
I was a long time ago and I do not remember. I think they are on sale >>>> at WH Smith so I can take a look.
If it is one of these
https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MGN03B/A/apple-12w-usb-power-adapter >>>
Under compatibility the iPod classic is not listed. But granted, it?s in >>> the small print, and in the headline info
?Use this compact and convenient USB-based power adapter to charge your
iPhone, iPad or iPod with Lightning connector at home, on the road or
whenever it?s not connected to a computer. You can connect the adapter
directly to your device via the Lightning connector.?
it might lead you to think it could charge your iPod.
No - this one:
https://genuineappleaccessories.co.uk/apple-accessories/apple-5w-eu-usb-power-adapter/
which is the EU version of this:
https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MGN43B/A/apple-5w-usb-power-adapter?fnode=
I cannot see any exclusion in either.
Is your iPod one of these, as they are the only ones listed as compatible
iPod Models
iPod touch (7th generation)
iPod touch (6th generation)
iPod touch (5th generation)
iPod nano (7th generation)
iPod shuffle (4th generation)
On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 20:30:54 -0000 (UTC), Tweedca9383411403837aa33a92da2969d1388fd6db9b75b6a50599437d08b6ffbb478ca7535e94b61fa55a71c1d7710e5f0d66ea4b644c7d2a39554e83b8eb76a0b7603a2124e0176e8b193976beaf31bb5eca42d3ab7e01888de2ec7833193816d71ecf9a1fa650aa01d79b9f81da786c38
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 20:08:01 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 19:32:34 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 19:49:46 +0100, David WoolleyDepends how it was sold. Was it marked as a universal charger for any Apple
<david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> wrote:
On 27/03/2022 18:00, Scott wrote:
Why does an iPod need more than 100mA? Surely
it should charge with what it gets and just take longer.
What it gets could be anything up to what it tries to take, but that >>>>>>>> might overheat the power supply or the USB interface in the PC it is >>>>>>>> charging from, or might cause the USB hub to current limit causing other
devices on the same hub fail through under-voltage.
Okay, but my point remains that if an Apple charger is not compatible >>>>>>> with an Apple product, it should say so clearly on the box.
product? Or was it sold as an iPad charger?
I was a long time ago and I do not remember. I think they are on sale >>>>> at WH Smith so I can take a look.
If it is one of these
https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MGN03B/A/apple-12w-usb-power-adapter >>>>
Under compatibility the iPod classic is not listed. But granted, it?s in >>>> the small print, and in the headline info
?Use this compact and convenient USB-based power adapter to charge your >>>> iPhone, iPad or iPod with Lightning connector at home, on the road or
whenever it?s not connected to a computer. You can connect the adapter >>>> directly to your device via the Lightning connector.?
it might lead you to think it could charge your iPod.
No - this one:
https://genuineappleaccessories.co.uk/apple-accessories/apple-5w-eu-usb-power-adapter/
which is the EU version of this:
https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MGN43B/A/apple-5w-usb-power-adapter?fnode=
I cannot see any exclusion in either.
Is your iPod one of these, as they are the only ones listed as compatible
iPod Models
iPod touch (7th generation)
iPod touch (6th generation)
iPod touch (5th generation)
iPod nano (7th generation)
iPod shuffle (4th generation)
No it's not. It's an iPod Classic but the overview says this:
"Featuring an ultra-compact design, this power adapter offers fast,
efficient charging at home, in the office or on the go. It works with
any Apple Watch, iPhone or iPod model."
This is more likely to be the wording on the box, but I can look in WH
Smith.
I suspect the best you can do is to get your money back. I’m a little,confused, as at the start of the thread you said it was the 2A
charger that didn’t work. This is a 5W charger, ie 1A.
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:ca9383411403837aa33a92da2969d1388fd6db9b75b6a50599437d08b6ffbb478ca7535e94b61fa55a71c1d7710e5f0d66ea4b644c7d2a39554e83b8eb76a0b7603a2124e0176e8b193976beaf31bb5eca42d3ab7e01888de2ec7833193816d71ecf9a1fa650aa01d79b9f81da786c38
On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 20:30:54 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 20:08:01 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 19:32:34 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 19:49:46 +0100, David WoolleyDepends how it was sold. Was it marked as a universal charger for any Apple
<david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> wrote:
On 27/03/2022 18:00, Scott wrote:
Why does an iPod need more than 100mA? Surely
it should charge with what it gets and just take longer.
What it gets could be anything up to what it tries to take, but that >>>>>>>>> might overheat the power supply or the USB interface in the PC it is >>>>>>>>> charging from, or might cause the USB hub to current limit causing other
devices on the same hub fail through under-voltage.
Okay, but my point remains that if an Apple charger is not compatible >>>>>>>> with an Apple product, it should say so clearly on the box.
product? Or was it sold as an iPad charger?
I was a long time ago and I do not remember. I think they are on sale >>>>>> at WH Smith so I can take a look.
If it is one of these
https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MGN03B/A/apple-12w-usb-power-adapter
Under compatibility the iPod classic is not listed. But granted, it?s in >>>>> the small print, and in the headline info
?Use this compact and convenient USB-based power adapter to charge your >>>>> iPhone, iPad or iPod with Lightning connector at home, on the road or >>>>> whenever it?s not connected to a computer. You can connect the adapter >>>>> directly to your device via the Lightning connector.?
it might lead you to think it could charge your iPod.
No - this one:
https://genuineappleaccessories.co.uk/apple-accessories/apple-5w-eu-usb-power-adapter/
which is the EU version of this:
https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MGN43B/A/apple-5w-usb-power-adapter?fnode=
I suspect the best you can do is to get your money back. Im a >little,confused, as at the start of the thread you said it was the 2AI cannot see any exclusion in either.
Is your iPod one of these, as they are the only ones listed as compatible >>>
iPod Models
iPod touch (7th generation)
iPod touch (6th generation)
iPod touch (5th generation)
iPod nano (7th generation)
iPod shuffle (4th generation)
No it's not. It's an iPod Classic but the overview says this:
"Featuring an ultra-compact design, this power adapter offers fast,
efficient charging at home, in the office or on the go. It works with
any Apple Watch, iPhone or iPod model."
This is more likely to be the wording on the box, but I can look in WH
Smith.
charger that didnt work. This is a 5W charger, ie 1A.
On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 05:48:45 -0000 (UTC), Tweedca9383411403837aa33a92da2969d1388fd6db9b75b6a50599437d08b6ffbb478ca7535e94b61fa55a71c1d7710e5f0d66ea4b644c7d2a39554e83b8eb76a0b7603a2124e0176e8b193976beaf31bb5eca42d3ab7e01888de2ec7833193816d71ecf9a1fa650aa01d79b9f81da786c38
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 20:30:54 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 20:08:01 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 19:32:34 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 19:49:46 +0100, David WoolleyDepends how it was sold. Was it marked as a universal charger for any Apple
<david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> wrote:
On 27/03/2022 18:00, Scott wrote:
Why does an iPod need more than 100mA? Surely
it should charge with what it gets and just take longer.
What it gets could be anything up to what it tries to take, but that >>>>>>>>>> might overheat the power supply or the USB interface in the PC it is >>>>>>>>>> charging from, or might cause the USB hub to current limit causing other
devices on the same hub fail through under-voltage.
Okay, but my point remains that if an Apple charger is not compatible >>>>>>>>> with an Apple product, it should say so clearly on the box.
product? Or was it sold as an iPad charger?
I was a long time ago and I do not remember. I think they are on sale >>>>>>> at WH Smith so I can take a look.
If it is one of these
https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MGN03B/A/apple-12w-usb-power-adapter
Under compatibility the iPod classic is not listed. But granted, it?s in >>>>>> the small print, and in the headline info
?Use this compact and convenient USB-based power adapter to charge your >>>>>> iPhone, iPad or iPod with Lightning connector at home, on the road or >>>>>> whenever it?s not connected to a computer. You can connect the adapter >>>>>> directly to your device via the Lightning connector.?
it might lead you to think it could charge your iPod.
No - this one:
https://genuineappleaccessories.co.uk/apple-accessories/apple-5w-eu-usb-power-adapter/
which is the EU version of this:
https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MGN43B/A/apple-5w-usb-power-adapter?fnode=
I suspect the best you can do is to get your money back. Im aI cannot see any exclusion in either.
Is your iPod one of these, as they are the only ones listed as compatible >>>>
iPod Models
iPod touch (7th generation)
iPod touch (6th generation)
iPod touch (5th generation)
iPod nano (7th generation)
iPod shuffle (4th generation)
No it's not. It's an iPod Classic but the overview says this:
"Featuring an ultra-compact design, this power adapter offers fast,
efficient charging at home, in the office or on the go. It works with
any Apple Watch, iPhone or iPod model."
This is more likely to be the wording on the box, but I can look in WH
Smith.
little,confused, as at the start of the thread you said it was the 2A
charger that didnt work. This is a 5W charger, ie 1A.
Apologies - my mistake. I *thought* it was 2.1A and the battery man
said the problem was excessive amperage. The writing is tiny but I
have now checked and it is indeed rated at 1A.
As everyone has been telling me, it must be the control gear and
nothing to do with the amperage.
On a happier note, it charges my iPad Mini so no need to take it back.
My concern really is that I nearly threw away a working iPod in the
belief it was faulty when it would not charge with what I believed to
be a compatible charger. As my father used to say, you learn
something every day.
Thanks to everyone for solving the mystery.
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