On 14/03/2022 16:28, Jeff Gaines wrote:
Panasonic DMP-BD77 Blu-ray
It doesn't have tuner, does it? Does it have an aerial input socket?
Somehow I doubt it.
I am trying to get what should be channel 91 - "That's TV"
Panasonic DMP-BD77 Blu-ray
On 14/03/2022 16:46, williamwright wrote:
On 14/03/2022 16:28, Jeff Gaines wrote:
Panasonic DMP-BD77 Blu-ray
It doesn't have tuner, does it? Does it have an aerial input socket?
Somehow I doubt it.
I just downloaded the manual OOI. No aerial socket; no tuner. I wonder
what the device is displaying, or is the model number incorrect?
I just downloaded the manual OOI. No aerial socket; no tuner. I wonder what the
device is displaying, or is the model number incorrect?
Jeff Layman wrote:
I just downloaded the manual OOI. No aerial socket; no tuner. I wonder what the
device is displaying, or is the model number incorrect?
Isn't it more likely the TV is displaying freeview itself?
Andy Burns wrote:
Jeff Layman wrote:
I just downloaded the manual OOI. No aerial socket; no tuner. I wonder what the
device is displaying, or is the model number incorrect?
Isn't it more likely the TV is displaying freeview itself?
Quite probably, but I was just replying to the first line in the OP's post.
The remote is probably controlling the TV,
but it looks like that requires retuning!
Has the TV remote been lost, or does that show the wrong channels displaying too?
Jeff Layman wrote:
Quite probably, but I was just replying to the first line in the OP's post.
sorry, I didn't see the different surname!
On 14/03/2022 16:28, Jeff Gaines wrote:
Panasonic DMP-BD77 Blu-ray
It doesn't have tuner, does it? Does it have an aerial input socket?
Somehow I doubt it.
Bill
The checker that Andy Burns posted shows the following from postcode and house
number:
Name Region Parent Transmitter Grid Reference Distance
(km) Bearing° Aerial Group Now Aerial Group After
Most Likely Transmitter Hannington Meridian N/A SU 52740 56807
60 42 B H,T H B H,T H
That may work better in a fixed font.
I'll have to go outside with a compass
when it's light to see which way it's pointing, looks like a DAT 45 from ground
level.
Andy's link also omits Channel 91 from available channels so presumably it's not
on the transmitter I'm using?
Andy Burns wrote:
sorry, I didn't see the different surname!
I'm not surprised seeing all those posts you make in comp.mobile.android ;-)
In the section below that, where it lists the signal strangths for
individual muxes per transmitter, which ones are shown in green (good >signal)?
I have a Panasonic DMP-BD77 Blu-ray player with built in Freeview - I
think. Problem is none of the channel numbers ever seem to line up with TV guides.
I am trying to get what should be channel 91 - "That's TV" because Monty Python i on tonight but despite re-tuning it just come up as an invalid channel.
How can I ensure my channel numbers line up with the UK standard fro
Freeview - assuming there is such a thing?
Many thanks.
My SD only PVR seems to find channel 91 as a number after a retune
but when I tune to it I just get "Invalid channel". So it looks
as though you need a device that can receive HD broadcasts to
receive channel 91.
On 14/03/2022 16:28, Jeff Gaines wrote:
If it is any help, my TV which can receive SD and HD broadcasts finds
I have a Panasonic DMP-BD77 Blu-ray player with built in Freeview - I
think. Problem is none of the channel numbers ever seem to line up with
TV
guides.
I am trying to get what should be channel 91 - "That's TV" because Monty
Python i on tonight but despite re-tuning it just come up as an invalid
channel.
How can I ensure my channel numbers line up with the UK standard fro
Freeview - assuming there is such a thing?
Many thanks.
channel 91 and gives me a view of the programmes being broadcast.
My SD only PVR seems to find channel 91 as a number after a retune but
when I tune to it I just get "Invalid channel". So it looks as though you need a device that can receive HD broadcasts to receive channel 91.
Since your SD-only PVR can't receive T2, I can't understand why it is even listing 91 in the list of channels. Do you have any channels 101-105 listed (BBC1, BBC2, ITV, CH4, CH5 in HD)?
In article <t0pq80$1lb$1@dont-email.me>, Jeff Layman <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 15/03/2022 09:57, NY wrote:Which, in the Crystal Palace area, won't include T2 with your original aerial.
Since your SD-only PVR can't receive T2, I can't understand why it isAssuming the OP has got the right model number, the Panasonic DMR-PWT550
even listing 91 in the list of channels. Do you have any channels
101-105 listed (BBC1, BBC2, ITV, CH4, CH5 in HD)?
has a DVB-T/T2 tuner according to the manual. From the manual: Re-tuning
only takes a few minutes, just follow the steps below: 1 Press [FUNCTION
MENU]. 2 Select ”Basic Settings• in ”Setup•, then press [OK]. 3 Select
”Auto Setup• in ”Tuning•, then press [OK]. 4 Select ”Yes•, then press
[OK].
What it finds depends upon which Tx signal the aerial is receiving.
On 15/03/2022 09:57, NY wrote:
Since your SD-only PVR can't receive T2, I can't understand why it is
even listing 91 in the list of channels. Do you have any channels
101-105 listed (BBC1, BBC2, ITV, CH4, CH5 in HD)?
Assuming the OP has got the right model number, the Panasonic DMR-PWT550
has a DVB-T/T2 tuner according to the manual. From the manual: Re-tuning
only takes a few minutes, just follow the steps below: 1 Press [FUNCTION MENU]. 2 Select Basic Settings in Setup, then press [OK]. 3 Select
Auto Setup in Tuning, then press [OK]. 4 Select Yes, then press
[OK].
What it finds depends upon which Tx signal the aerial is receiving.
It is a great shame that T2 multiplexes (PSB3, COM7) are used for
sub-SD as well as for HD, because it confuses the hell out of
people who think "this channel is not HD so I ought to be able to
receive it on SD-only equipment".
On 15/03/2022 09:57, NY wrote:
Since your SD-only PVR can't receive T2, I can't understand why it is even >>listing 91 in the list of channels. Do you have any channels 101-105
listed
(BBC1, BBC2, ITV, CH4, CH5 in HD)?
Assuming the OP has got the right model number, the Panasonic DMR-PWT550
has a DVB-T/T2 tuner according to the manual. From the manual:
Re-tuning only takes a few minutes, just follow the steps below:
1 Press [FUNCTION MENU].
2 Select “Basic Settings” in “Setup”, then press [OK].
3 Select “Auto Setup” in “Tuning”, then press [OK].
4 Select “Yes”, then press [OK].
What it finds depends upon which Tx signal the aerial is receiving.
Jeff Gaines wrote:
The checker that Andy Burns posted shows the following from postcode
and house number:
Name Region Parent Transmitter Grid Reference
Distance (km) Bearing° Aerial Group Now Aerial Group After
Most Likely Transmitter Hannington Meridian N/A SU 52740
56807 60 42 B H,T H B H,T H
That may work better in a fixed font.
In the section below that, where it lists the signal strangths for
individual muxes per transmitter, which ones are shown in green (good signal)?
I'll have to go outside with a compass when it's light to see which
way it's pointing, looks like a DAT 45 from ground level.
Yeah, Hannington's a long way from me, so I don't know whether it only
sends certain muxes in certain directions, Mark will be along shortly,
I expect.
On 15/03/2022 in message <t0pq80$1lb$1@dont-email.me> Jeff Layman wrote:
On 15/03/2022 09:57, NY wrote:
Since your SD-only PVR can't receive T2, I can't understand why it
is even
listing 91 in the list of channels. Do you have any channels 101-105
listed
(BBC1, BBC2, ITV, CH4, CH5 in HD)?
Assuming the OP has got the right model number, the Panasonic
DMR-PWT550 has a DVB-T/T2 tuner according to the manual. From the
manual:
Re-tuning only takes a few minutes, just follow the steps below:
1 Press [FUNCTION MENU].
2 Select “Basic Settings” in “Setup”, then press [OK].
3 Select “Auto Setup” in “Tuning”, then press [OK].
4 Select “Yes”, then press [OK].
What it finds depends upon which Tx signal the aerial is receiving.
OP here. Model number is (now) correct and I have done the retune
several times. The original question was along the lines of what sort
order to use (it gives a choice). I suspect COM 7 isn't very strong
here, last time I lived down here I had a DAT 75 with amplifiers all
over the place but in the end I gave up and got satellite. I'll think
about it, not gong to pay for Sky though, I have a Freesat recordable
box.
On 15/03/2022 11:28, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 15/03/2022 in message <t0pq80$1lb$1@dont-email.me> Jeff Layman wrote:Oh, if That's Gold is on COM 7, then yes the signal will be poor.
On 15/03/2022 09:57, NY wrote:
Since your SD-only PVR can't receive T2, I can't understand why it
is even
listing 91 in the list of channels. Do you have any channels 101-105
listed
(BBC1, BBC2, ITV, CH4, CH5 in HD)?
Assuming the OP has got the right model number, the Panasonic
DMR-PWT550 has a DVB-T/T2 tuner according to the manual. From the
manual:
Re-tuning only takes a few minutes, just follow the steps below:
1 Press [FUNCTION MENU].
2 Select “Basic Settings” in “Setup”, then press [OK].
3 Select “Auto Setup” in “Tuning”, then press [OK].
4 Select “Yes”, then press [OK].
What it finds depends upon which Tx signal the aerial is receiving.
OP here. Model number is (now) correct and I have done the retune
several times. The original question was along the lines of what sort
order to use (it gives a choice). I suspect COM 7 isn't very strong
here, last time I lived down here I had a DAT 75 with amplifiers all
over the place but in the end I gave up and got satellite. I'll think
about it, not gong to pay for Sky though, I have a Freesat recordable
box.
Because it shares the same channel for all transmitters that carry it,
you are very likely to be in the 'mangle' zone where Rowridge, and
possibly Mendip will be causing corruption. Forget it, COM 7 is closing
down in June anyway
On 15/03/2022 11:04, charles wrote:
In article <t0pq80$1lb$1@dont-email.me>, Jeff LaymanPSB 3 (the main T2 mux) is on UHF Ch 30 from Crystal Palace (the old
<jmlayman@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 15/03/2022 09:57, NY wrote:Which, in the Crystal Palace area, won't include T2 with your original
Since your SD-only PVR can't receive T2, I can't understand why it isAssuming the OP has got the right model number, the Panasonic DMR-PWT550 >>> has a DVB-T/T2 tuner according to the manual. From the manual: Re-tuning >>> only takes a few minutes, just follow the steps below: 1 Press [FUNCTION >>> MENU]. 2 Select ”Basic Settings• in ”Setup•, then press [OK]. 3 Select
even listing 91 in the list of channels. Do you have any channels
101-105 listed (BBC1, BBC2, ITV, CH4, CH5 in HD)?
”Auto Setup• in ”Tuning•, then press [OK]. 4 Select ”Yes•, then press
[OK].
What it finds depends upon which Tx signal the aerial is receiving.
aerial.
home of C4 analogue) and within aerial group A.
It's COM 7 (the temporary T2 mux) that's on UHF Ch 55 from CP (and every other Tx that carries it) and therefore miles outside Grp A
You might be amazed what the wrong aerial can receive on DTT. Mine is a narrow band aerial originally put up for when Waltham was at the top end of the band. In those days decent analogue reception here was considered difficult, to the extent that many used wrong region Sutton Coldfield.
Now Waltham is largely transmitting down at the bottom end of the band, but this incorrect aerial brings in the MUXes without a problem. In fact I can construct a dipole from stripped coax and tape it to the upstairs window
and get reception, something that was never possible in analogue days.
On 15/03/2022 11:42, Mark Carver wrote:
On 15/03/2022 11:28, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 15/03/2022 in message <t0pq80$1lb$1@dont-email.me> Jeff LaymanOh, if That's Gold is on COM 7, then yes the signal will be poor.
wrote:
On 15/03/2022 09:57, NY wrote:
Since your SD-only PVR can't receive T2, I can't understand why it
is even
listing 91 in the list of channels. Do you have any channels 101-105 >>>>> listed
(BBC1, BBC2, ITV, CH4, CH5 in HD)?
Assuming the OP has got the right model number, the Panasonic
DMR-PWT550 has a DVB-T/T2 tuner according to the manual. From the
manual:
Re-tuning only takes a few minutes, just follow the steps below:
1 Press [FUNCTION MENU].
2 Select “Basic Settings” in “Setup”, then press [OK].
3 Select “Auto Setup” in “Tuning”, then press [OK].
4 Select “Yes”, then press [OK].
What it finds depends upon which Tx signal the aerial is receiving.
OP here. Model number is (now) correct and I have done the retune
several times. The original question was along the lines of what sort
order to use (it gives a choice). I suspect COM 7 isn't very strong
here, last time I lived down here I had a DAT 75 with amplifiers all
over the place but in the end I gave up and got satellite. I'll think
about it, not gong to pay for Sky though, I have a Freesat recordable
box.
Because it shares the same channel for all transmitters that carry it,
you are very likely to be in the 'mangle' zone where Rowridge, and
possibly Mendip will be causing corruption. Forget it, COM 7 is closing
down in June anyway
Good point. I was wondering why the OP's aerial is pointing to
Hannington anyway. His sig says he's in Dorset, and although it's
possible to receive Hannington in E or NE Dorset, it's still 40 miles
or so away. Wouldn't it make sense to try Rowridge? If there's any interference from France, he could change polarity.
In article <j9bcdhFl10sU1@mid.individual.net>,
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Forget it, COM 7 is closing down in June anywayI'm sure you're right, I'm not doubting you for a second but why then
does this page for my house tell me that Sutton Coldfield COM7 Final prediction 2025 still there on C55?
https://www.freeview.co.uk/corporate/detailed-transmitter-information
Bob.
Forget it, COM 7 is closing down in June anyway
Until the OP can tell us which transmitter he actually uses that's (no pun intended) about as far as we can help.
On 15/03/2022 12:37, Tweed wrote:
Yes, Bill W can give us chapter and verse, but I gather generally a
You might be amazed what the wrong aerial can receive on DTT. Mine is a
narrow band aerial originally put up for when Waltham was at the top end of >> the band. In those days decent analogue reception here was considered
difficult, to the extent that many used wrong region Sutton Coldfield.
Now Waltham is largely transmitting down at the bottom end of the band, but >> this incorrect aerial brings in the MUXes without a problem. In fact I can >> construct a dipole from stripped coax and tape it to the upstairs window
and get reception, something that was never possible in analogue days.
higher frequency aerial can give useable performance at lower
frequencies ? Unlike the reverse way round ?
The whole 700 MHz clearance programme, was based upon that I think ?
I'm not aware there was any large scale (100s of k, millions) aerial >replacement in previously Group C/D areas ?
On 15/03/2022 09:57, NY wrote:
Since your SD-only PVR can't receive T2, I can't understand why it is
even
listing 91 in the list of channels. Do you have any channels 101-105
listed
(BBC1, BBC2, ITV, CH4, CH5 in HD)?
Assuming the OP has got the right model number, the Panasonic DMR-PWT550
has a DVB-T/T2 tuner according to the manual. From the manual:
Re-tuning only takes a few minutes, just follow the steps below:
1 Press [FUNCTION MENU].
2 Select “Basic Settings” in “Setup”, then press [OK].
3 Select “Auto Setup” in “Tuning”, then press [OK].
4 Select “Yes”, then press [OK].
What it finds depends upon which Tx signal the aerial is receiving.
Yes, Bill W can give us chapter and verse, but I gather generally a
higher frequency aerial can give useable performance at lower
frequencies ? Unlike the reverse way round ?
The whole 700 MHz clearance programme, was based upon that I think ? I'm
not aware there was any large scale (100s of k, millions) aerial
replacement in previously Group C/D areas ?
the 'mangle' zone
If you look at the graphs of gain vs frequency for multi-element TV
yagis, you will see that the frequency response is usually shaped like a geographical escarpment. From low to high, the gain rises slowly and
steadily - then above the maximum design frequency, it falls off very rapidly.
"Indy Jess John"<bathwatchdog@OMITTHISgooglemail.com> wrote in message news:t0ok03$qil$1@dont-email.me...
If it is any help, my TV which can receive SD and HD broadcasts finds
channel 91 and gives me a view of the programmes being broadcast.
My SD only PVR seems to find channel 91 as a number after a retune but
when I tune to it I just get "Channel Unavailable". So it looks as
though you need a device that can receive HD broadcasts to receive
channel 91.
Since your SD-only PVR can't receive T2, I can't understand why it is even listing 91 in the list of channels. Do you have any channels 101-105 listed (BBC1, BBC2, ITV, CH4, CH5 in HD)?
I am trying to get what should be channel 91 - "That's TV" because Monty >Python i on tonight but despite re-tuning it just come up as an invalid >channel.
On Tue, 15 Mar 2022 22:02:37 +0000, Jeff Gaines wrote:
Just to follow this up I tried to tune manually but only have the option
of Channels 21 to 68, can somebody explain the significance of that
please?
Those are the UHF transmitter channels, not the same as the programme >'channels' or LCNs, which start at 1.
Just to follow this up I tried to tune manually but only have the option
of Channels 21 to 68, can somebody explain the significance of that
please?
On 15/03/2022 in message<t0r3jp$tsq$1@dont-email.me> The Other John wrote:
On Tue, 15 Mar 2022 22:02:37 +0000, Jeff Gaines wrote:
Just to follow this up I tried to tune manually but only have the option >>> of Channels 21 to 68, can somebody explain the significance of that
please?
Those are the UHF transmitter channels, not the same as the programme
'channels' or LCNs, which start at 1.
Right, my education needs to start at a very basic level!
"That's TV" is on "Channel" 91, how can I relate that back to a UHF Transmitter Channel?
Is there any way to tell the box to use another transmitter? Rowridge is nearer and is green for COM 7 whereas Hannington is blank for COM 7- that seems significant?
On 15/03/2022 13:16, Ian Jackson wrote:
If you look at the graphs of gain vs frequency for multi-element TV
yagis, you will see that the frequency response is usually shaped like a
geographical escarpment. From low to high, the gain rises slowly and
steadily - then above the maximum design frequency, it falls off very
rapidly.
Many years ago I saw a magazine article about domestic TV aerials which
had polar diagrams of them being used in the wrong channel group. You expect to see a drop in gain but the polar diagram was usually
completely wrong. Quite often side lobes with quite a lot of gain and little gain in the forward direction.
On 14/03/2022 in message <xn0nfd4ld5opjqw00c@news.individual.net> Jeff
Gaines wrote:
I am trying to get what should be channel 91 - "That's TV" because Monty >Python i on tonight but despite re-tuning it just come up as an invalid >channel.
Just to follow this up I tried to tune manually but only have the option
of Channels 21 to 68, can somebody explain the significance of that please?
Is there any way to tell the box to use another transmitter?
Rowridge is nearer and is green for COM 7 whereas Hannington is
blank for COM 7- that seems significant?
On 15/03/2022 in message <t0r3jp$tsq$1@dont-email.me> The Other John
wrote:
On Tue, 15 Mar 2022 22:02:37 +0000, Jeff Gaines wrote:
Just to follow this up I tried to tune manually but only have the
option
of Channels 21 to 68, can somebody explain the significance of that
please?
Those are the UHF transmitter channels, not the same as the programme
'channels' or LCNs, which start at 1.
Right, my education needs to start at a very basic level!
"That's TV" is on "Channel" 91, how can I relate that back to a UHF Transmitter Channel?
Is there any way to tell the box to use another transmitter? Rowridge
is nearer and is green for COM 7 whereas Hannington is blank for COM
7- that seems significant?
In article <xn0nfet137hkixj00k@news.individual.net>,
Jeff Gaines <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Is there any way to tell the box to use another transmitter?
Rowridge is nearer and is green for COM 7 whereas Hannington is
blank for COM 7- that seems significant?
For COM7 no there isn't. All COM7 transmitters use UHF C55 so no
filter of any kind will help.
The only way to change COM7 reception from one transmitter to another involves aerial work, if it can be done at all. As Mark says, COM7
closing in June, not worth it.
Bob.
On 16/03/2022 07:53, Bob Latham wrote:
In article<xn0nfet137hkixj00k@news.individual.net>,
Jeff Gaines<jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Is there any way to tell the box to use another transmitter?
Rowridge is nearer and is green for COM 7 whereas Hannington is
blank for COM 7- that seems significant?
For COM7 no there isn't. All COM7 transmitters use UHF C55 so no
filter of any kind will help.
The only way to change COM7 reception from one transmitter to another
involves aerial work, if it can be done at all. As Mark says, COM7
closing in June, not worth it.
Bob.
I have not seen any recent announcements confirming Mux 7 closure or
what will happen to the channels on Mux 7?
I had perhaps wondered if the rest of the muxes would go to T2, which
would increase the mux bitrates and also allow deduplication of TV
channels that are simulcasting in both SD and HD? thus freeing up space
on PSB3?
On 14/03/2022 in message <xn0nfd4ld5opjqw00c@news.individual.net> Jeff
Gaines wrote:
[snipped]
Thank you to everybody for all the input :-)
I have just copied and pasted it all into one document for future reference.
I manually tuned UHF Channel 55 on both the Recorder and the TV, sweet
Fanny Adams though, doesn't even give a progress report or say it can't
find anything.
I think I may have to consider getting a dish installed and using my
Freesat box.
Thanks again!
On 16/03/2022 07:53, Bob Latham wrote:
In article <xn0nfet137hkixj00k@news.individual.net>,
Jeff Gaines <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Is there any way to tell the box to use another transmitter?
Rowridge is nearer and is green for COM 7 whereas Hannington is
blank for COM 7- that seems significant?
For COM7 no there isn't. All COM7 transmitters use UHF C55 so no
filter of any kind will help.
The only way to change COM7 reception from one transmitter to another
involves aerial work, if it can be done at all. As Mark says, COM7
closing in June, not worth it.
Bob.
I have not seen any recent announcements confirming Mux 7 closure or
what will happen to the channels on Mux 7?
I had perhaps wondered if the rest of the muxes would go to T2, which
would increase the mux bitrates and also allow deduplication of TV
channels that are simulcasting in both SD and HD? thus freeing up
space on PSB3?
I had perhaps wondered if the rest of the muxes would go to T2, which
would increase the mux bitrates and also allow deduplication of TV
channels that are simulcasting in both SD and HD? thus freeing up space
on PSB3?
I hope they leave at least one Mux as T1 for SD channels. Otherwise I have
a couple of old but perfectly serviceable SD only PVRs which would become redundant, which would be a shame as they cover the occasions when
whatever I want to watch is being broadcast concurrently and I run out of
HD recording capability.
"Indy Jess John" <bathwatchdog@OMITTHISgooglemail.com> wrote in message >news:t0thjf$m5l$1@dont-email.me...
I had perhaps wondered if the rest of the muxes would go to T2, which
would increase the mux bitrates and also allow deduplication of TV
channels that are simulcasting in both SD and HD? thus freeing up space
on PSB3?
I hope they leave at least one Mux as T1 for SD channels. Otherwise I have >> a couple of old but perfectly serviceable SD only PVRs which would become
redundant, which would be a shame as they cover the occasions when
whatever I want to watch is being broadcast concurrently and I run out of
HD recording capability.
Maybe they should adopt an inverse of the present policy of all channels in >SD with the main ones being duplicated in HD: change to all channels in HD >with some duplicated in SD (and on T1) for the benefit of people with older >equipment.
They should change the default channel numbers so that the HD versions
are numbers 1, 2, 3 etc instead of 101, 102, 103 etc. Some people seem
to be daunted by the extra typing, despite the superior picture
quality just for entering two extra digits. I'm not making this up.
Despite demonstrating the difference between HD and fuzzyvision on the
same TV, I've sometimes been told that they can't see any improvement
or they're not bothered as long as they can follow the programme.
On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 10:16:47 -0000, "NY" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
"Indy Jess John" <bathwatchdog@OMITTHISgooglemail.com> wrote in message >news:t0thjf$m5l$1@dont-email.me...
I had perhaps wondered if the rest of the muxes would go to T2, which
would increase the mux bitrates and also allow deduplication of TV
channels that are simulcasting in both SD and HD? thus freeing up
space on PSB3?
I hope they leave at least one Mux as T1 for SD channels. Otherwise I
have a couple of old but perfectly serviceable SD only PVRs which
would become redundant, which would be a shame as they cover the
occasions when whatever I want to watch is being broadcast
concurrently and I run out of HD recording capability.
Maybe they should adopt an inverse of the present policy of all channels
in SD with the main ones being duplicated in HD: change to all channels
in HD with some duplicated in SD (and on T1) for the benefit of people
with older equipment.
They should change the default channel numbers so that the HD versions
are numbers 1, 2, 3 etc instead of 101, 102, 103 etc. Some people seem to
be daunted by the extra typing, despite the superior picture quality just
for entering two extra digits. I'm not making this up. Despite
demonstrating the difference between HD and fuzzyvision on the same TV,
I've sometimes been told that they can't see any improvement or they're
not bothered as long as they can follow the programme.
Rod.
They should change the default channel numbers so that the HD versions
are numbers 1, 2, 3 etc instead of 101, 102, 103 etc. Some people seem
to be daunted by the extra typing, despite the superior picture quality
just for entering two extra digits. I'm not making this up. Despite >demonstrating the difference between HD and fuzzyvision on the same TV,
I've sometimes been told that they can't see any improvement or they're
not bothered as long as they can follow the programme.
In article <59cb06c717charles@candehope.me.uk>,
charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
Do remember that The Great British Public thought that VHS quality
was good.
VHS was the winner because machines were available to rent from big
names like Radio Rentals and Multi Broadcast and the push from the
porn industry. I don't think the quality came into it.
Do remember that The Great British Public thought that VHS quality
was good.
"Bob Latham" <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote in message news:59cb0d4a85bob@sick-of-spam.invalid...
In article <59cb06c717charles@candehope.me.uk>, charles
<charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
Do remember that The Great British Public thought that VHS quality was
good.
VHS was the winner because machines were available to rent from big
names like Radio Rentals and Multi Broadcast and the push from the porn industry. I don't think the quality came into it.
The only competitor to VHS that I've seen for picture comparison was the
old Philips N1500 square-cassette with stacked reels. That really was
dire: when I worked my prefect duty in the AV room at school (a really
cushy posting!) in 1980-2 they had a couple of early top-loading VHS
machines (*) which were a lot better than the N1500 in the corner of the
room which was only kept for backward compatibility with earlier
recordings of education programmes. We hooked it up and made a new
recording with it (to eliminate quality loss of a very old recording)
and compared N1500 against VHS: the joys of getting to play with someone else's expensive equipment.
I'm not sure how VHS compared with Betamax and Grundig V2000. I wonder
which format would have prevailed if all three types of machine and
tapes had been available for rental.
In message <dbg83hl6paict9ubbtmrb2595vc7tarevh@4ax.com>, Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> writes
They should change the default channel numbers so that the HD versions are >>numbers 1, 2, 3 etc instead of 101, 102, 103 etc. Some people seem to be >>daunted by the extra typing, despite the superior picture quality just for >>entering two extra digits.
I'm not making this up. Despite demonstrating the difference between HD
and fuzzyvision on the same TV, I've sometimes been told that they can't >>see any improvement or they're not bothered as long as they can follow the >>programme.
Perhaps they really CAN'T see any improvement. As someone whose eyesight
is at best SD, I'm one of them. I suspect that a lot of the elderly, in particular, fall into that category, not to mention all those people who ought to be wearing glasses but don't, or who haven't updated their
glasses as their eyesight has deteriorated with age.
I'm not sure how VHS compared with Betamax and Grundig V2000. I wonder
which format would have prevailed if all three types of machine and
tapes had been available for rental.
"John Hall" <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote in message news:c3$k8yC8pFNiFwrm@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk...
In message <dbg83hl6paict9ubbtmrb2595vc7tarevh@4ax.com>, Roderick
Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> writes
They should change the default channel numbers so that the HD
versions are numbers 1, 2, 3 etc instead of 101, 102, 103 etc. Some
people seem to be daunted by the extra typing, despite the superior
picture quality just for entering two extra digits.
It's a shame that they don't use LCNs of 100+SD for all HD channels: I
always have to remember what BBC Four and BBC News are, because they
are not 109 and 331. I tend to go to 105 (Channel 5 HD) and increment
from there ;-)
In article <59cb146d02charles@candehope.me.uk>,
charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
V2000 would play back teletext signals recorded on the cassette.Yes and as it happens so did super VHS.
V2000 would play back teletext signals recorded on the cassette.
In article <59cb146d02charles@candehope.me.uk>,
charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
V2000 would play back teletext signals recorded on the cassette.
Yes and as it happens so did super VHS.
Bob.
On 18/03/2022 11:39, NY wrote:
"John Hall" <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote in message
news:c3$k8yC8pFNiFwrm@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk...
In message <dbg83hl6paict9ubbtmrb2595vc7tarevh@4ax.com>, Roderick
Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> writes
They should change the default channel numbers so that the HD versions >>>> are numbers 1, 2, 3 etc instead of 101, 102, 103 etc. Some people seem >>>> to be daunted by the extra typing, despite the superior picture quality >>>> just for entering two extra digits.
It's a shame that they don't use LCNs of 100+SD for all HD channels: I
always have to remember what BBC Four and BBC News are, because they are
not 109 and 331. I tend to go to 105 (Channel 5 HD) and increment from
there ;-)
The whole LCN numbering scheme is a mess, and if you didn't know better
seems to be deliberately designed so you that don't ever stumble across
the HD channels
On 18/03/2022 11:53, Bob Latham wrote:
In article <59cb146d02charles@candehope.me.uk>,I always found you could recover enough of the header row on even VHS and Betamax recordings to make out the date of the recording, although lots of gibberish of course
charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
V2000 would play back teletext signals recorded on the cassette.Yes and as it happens so did super VHS.
V2000 would play back teletext signals recorded on the cassette.
I presume 888 teletext subtitles were recorded in a way that survivedNo, not at all, they were just in the data carousel along with all the
the modulation/demodulation of signals to get them on/off VHS.
"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:j9jckvFu6fbU1@mid.individual.net...Never heard of that. It must have regenerated the subtitle page data,
On 18/03/2022 12:24, NY wrote:
No, not at all, they were just in the data carousel along with all the
I presume 888 teletext subtitles were recorded in a way that
survived the
modulation/demodulation of signals to get them on/off VHS.
other pages. Don't be confused with some VCRs that would decode p888
'live', and burn them into the recording for you. Different kettle of
fish
completely
No I'm talking about VHS VCRs (normal VHS, not S-VHS) which would
reliably
and consistently record 888 subtitles (switchable, not burnt-in) as a
special case when they wouldn't record any other pages of teletext. That suggests some of special treatment over and above recording (or
failing to
record) the invisible lines that were used for all teletext pages,
recording
them in some special way and then re-generating the subtitles lines in
the
output video.
On 18/03/2022 12:24, NY wrote:
No, not at all, they were just in the data carousel along with all the
I presume 888 teletext subtitles were recorded in a way that survived the
modulation/demodulation of signals to get them on/off VHS.
other pages. Don't be confused with some VCRs that would decode p888
'live', and burn them into the recording for you. Different kettle of fish completely
Apologies, it's a Panasonic DMR-PWT550, must have had the other one at
some time in the past :-(
I have re-tuned the DMR-PWT550 and the TV (a Panasonic Viera) and they
both come up with the same channels so presumably have similar innards.
The checker that Andy Burns posted shows the following from postcode and house number:
Name Region Parent Transmitter Grid Reference
Distance (km) Bearing° Aerial Group Now Aerial Group After Most Likely Transmitter Hannington Meridian N/A SU 52740
56807 60 42 B H,T H B H,T H
That may work better in a fixed font. I'll have to go outside with a
compass when it's light to see which way it's pointing, looks like a DAT
45 from ground level.
Andy's link also omits Channel 91 from available channels so presumably
it's not on the transmitter I'm using?
No I'm talking about VHS VCRs (normal VHS, not S-VHS) which wouldNever heard of that. It must have regenerated the subtitle page data, and recorded it by some other means. It would have been a tiny amount of data (even by 1980s standards)
reliably
and consistently record 888 subtitles (switchable, not burnt-in) as a
special case when they wouldn't record any other pages of teletext. That
suggests some of special treatment over and above recording (or failing
to
record) the invisible lines that were used for all teletext pages,
recording
them in some special way and then re-generating the subtitles lines in
the
output video.
How would it have known to look on page 888 for the subtitles ? it wasn't
in the WST spec that subtitles had to be carried on that page, that was simply a UK 'thing'.
Who made the VCR ?
On 14/03/2022 19:40, Jeff Gaines wrote:
Apologies, it's a Panasonic DMR-PWT550, must have had the other one at
some time in the past :-(
I have re-tuned the DMR-PWT550 and the TV (a Panasonic Viera) and they
both come up with the same channels so presumably have similar innards.
The checker that Andy Burns posted shows the following from postcode and
house number:
Name Region Parent Transmitter Grid Reference
Distance (km) Bearing° Aerial Group Now Aerial Group After
Most Likely Transmitter Hannington Meridian N/A SU 52740
56807 60 42 B H,T H B H,T H
That may work better in a fixed font. I'll have to go outside with a
compass when it's light to see which way it's pointing, looks like a DAT
45 from ground level.
Andy's link also omits Channel 91 from available channels so presumably
it's not on the transmitter I'm using?
Anything on channel 7 or 8?
That should be your local version of That's TV which is the same as the channel you want except for the pathetically tiny 10 minutes or so of
actual local material they show daily.
On 14/03/2022 19:40, Jeff Gaines wrote:
Apologies, it's a Panasonic DMR-PWT550, must have had the other one
at some time in the past :-(
I have re-tuned the DMR-PWT550 and the TV (a Panasonic Viera) and
they both come up with the same channels so presumably have similar
innards.
The checker that Andy Burns posted shows the following from postcode
and house number:
Name Region Parent Transmitter Grid Reference
Distance (km) Bearing° Aerial Group Now Aerial Group After
Most Likely Transmitter Hannington Meridian N/A SU 52740
56807 60 42 B H,T H B H,T H
That may work better in a fixed font. I'll have to go outside with a
compass when it's light to see which way it's pointing, looks like a
DAT 45 from ground level.
Andy's link also omits Channel 91 from available channels so
presumably it's not on the transmitter I'm using?
Anything on channel 7 or 8?
"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:j9jec2FugdtU1@mid.individual.net...
No I'm talking about VHS VCRs (normal VHS, not S-VHS) which wouldNever heard of that. It must have regenerated the subtitle page data,
reliably
and consistently record 888 subtitles (switchable, not burnt-in) as a
special case when they wouldn't record any other pages of teletext.
That
suggests some of special treatment over and above recording (or
failing to
record) the invisible lines that were used for all teletext pages,
recording
them in some special way and then re-generating the subtitles lines
in the
output video.
and recorded it by some other means. It would have been a tiny amount
of data (even by 1980s standards)
How would it have known to look on page 888 for the subtitles ? it
wasn't in the WST spec that subtitles had to be carried on that page,
that was simply a UK 'thing'.
Who made the VCR ?
Two different models of Panasonic, one of which (getting my old VCR
from the cupboard behind me) is NV-FJ760B-S. I think I saw a
lower-spec VCR of similar vintage which had it. Maybe UK-specific
models. The VCR would definitely record subtitles rock-solid even
though the other teletext pages were not detectable (or were very
prone to glitches) on a recording, so it wasn't just that it could
record all teletext (as for S-VHS) and then extract 888 from all the
other pages. That suggests that some regional models of some VHS
recorders handled subtitles as a special case.
"Brian Gregory" <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> wrote in
message news:j9jfibF83bU1@mid.individual.net...
On 14/03/2022 19:40, Jeff Gaines wrote:
Apologies, it's a Panasonic DMR-PWT550, must have had the other one
at some time in the past :-(
I have re-tuned the DMR-PWT550 and the TV (a Panasonic Viera) and
they both come up with the same channels so presumably have similar
innards.
The checker that Andy Burns posted shows the following from postcode
and house number:
Name Region Parent Transmitter Grid Reference
Distance (km) Bearing° Aerial Group Now Aerial Group After
Most Likely Transmitter Hannington Meridian N/A SU 52740
56807 60 42 B H,T H B H,T H
That may work better in a fixed font. I'll have to go outside with a
compass when it's light to see which way it's pointing, looks like a
DAT 45 from ground level.
Andy's link also omits Channel 91 from available channels so
presumably it's not on the transmitter I'm using?
Anything on channel 7 or 8?
That should be your local version of That's TV which is the same as
the channel you want except for the pathetically tiny 10 minutes or
so of actual local material they show daily.
Hannington is a main transmitter so it will carry COM7.
On 18/03/2022 11:39, NY wrote:
"John Hall" <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote in message
news:c3$k8yC8pFNiFwrm@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk...
In message <dbg83hl6paict9ubbtmrb2595vc7tarevh@4ax.com>, Roderick
Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> writes
They should change the default channel numbers so that the HD
versions are numbers 1, 2, 3 etc instead of 101, 102, 103 etc. Some
people seem to be daunted by the extra typing, despite the superior
picture quality just for entering two extra digits.
It's a shame that they don't use LCNs of 100+SD for all HD channels: I
always have to remember what BBC Four and BBC News are, because they
are not 109 and 331. I tend to go to 105 (Channel 5 HD) and increment
from there ;-)
The whole LCN numbering scheme is a mess, and if you didn't know better
seems to be deliberately designed so you that don't ever stumble across
the HD channels
Hannington is a main transmitter so it will carry COM7.
Lots of main transmitters don't carry COM 7, in fact (if you count the
modern description of a main transmitter as including the 30 large relays from analogue days ) MOST of the main stations don't carry COM 7 !
Out of interest, were any subtitles reliably available if playing back a
tape from an 'ordinary' VHS ?
"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:j9jkoeF15dfU2@mid.individual.net...
Hannington is a main transmitter so it will carry COM7.
Lots of main transmitters don't carry COM 7, in fact (if you count
the modern description of a main transmitter as including the 30
large relays from analogue days ) MOST of the main stations don't
carry COM 7 !
Ah, I'm lucky that the three transmitters I've received from in
various houses, Oxford, Bilsdale and Belmont, all carry it, and I extrapolated that to all main transmitters. But come to think of it, transmitters like Oliver's Mount (Scarborough) carry PSB1-3 and COM4-6
but not COM7. I tended to think that there were only two categories:
all-7 and just-PSBs, but there's the third with 6 muxes.
On 18/03/2022 in message <j9jfibF83bU1@mid.individual.net> Brian
Gregory wrote:
Anything on channel 7 or 8?
That should be your local version of That's TV which is the same as
the channel you want except for the pathetically tiny 10 minutes or
so of actual local material they show daily.
No, blank in the guide - jumps from 6 (ITV2) to 9 (BBC 4), I've been
robbed :-(
Anything on channel 7 or 8?
That should be your local version of That's TV which is the same as the >channel you want except for the pathetically tiny 10 minutes or so of
actual local material they show daily.
On 18/03/2022 14:51, Mark Carver wrote:
On 18/03/2022 13:25, Brian Gregory wrote:
Anything on channel 7 or 8?
Not in that direction. Hannington carries two local muxes, but they are
beamed eastwards (on very narrow beams) See one of my other posts in
this thread
I didn't know we knew the direction. I must have missed where he gave
his location.>
On 18/03/2022 18:06, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 18/03/2022 in message <j9jfibF83bU1@mid.individual.net> Brian Gregory >>wrote:No, trust me, you haven't !
Anything on channel 7 or 8?
That should be your local version of That's TV which is the same as the >>>channel you want except for the pathetically tiny 10 minutes or so of >>>actual local material they show daily.
No, blank in the guide - jumps from 6 (ITV2) to 9 (BBC 4), I've been
robbed :-(
On 18/03/2022 13:25, Brian Gregory wrote:
Anything on channel 7 or 8?
Not in that direction. Hannington carries two local muxes, but they are beamed eastwards (on very narrow beams) See one of my other posts in
this thread
There is an oddity with some TV's particularly if using manual tune.
That is that it will not find HD channels on a 'normal' scan and it is necessary to manually select DVB-T2 and it will then find PSB3 and Com7
but still doesn't show the name of the mux!
On 18/03/2022 11:07, NY wrote:
I'm not sure how VHS compared with Betamax and Grundig V2000. I wonder
which format would have prevailed if all three types of machine and
tapes had been available for rental.
Technical quality wise, generally in that order, with V2000 being the best
Availability of 'software' was the exact inverse, and so, so was
domestic penetration (At least in the UK)
On 18/03/2022 11:53, Bob Latham wrote:
In article <59cb146d02charles@candehope.me.uk>,I always found you could recover enough of the header row on even VHS
charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
V2000 would play back teletext signals recorded on the cassette.Yes and as it happens so did super VHS.
and Betamax recordings to make out the date of the recording, although
lots of gibberish of course
"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:j9jkoeF15dfU2@mid.individual.net...
Hannington is a main transmitter so it will carry COM7.
Lots of main transmitters don't carry COM 7, in fact (if you count the
modern description of a main transmitter as including the 30 large
relays from analogue days ) MOST of the main stations don't carry COM 7 !
Ah, I'm lucky that the three transmitters I've received from in various houses, Oxford, Bilsdale and Belmont, all carry it, and I extrapolated
that to all main transmitters. But come to think of it, transmitters
like Oliver's Mount (Scarborough) carry PSB1-3 and COM4-6 but not COM7.
I tended to think that there were only two categories: all-7 and
just-PSBs, but there's the third with 6 muxes.
On 18/03/2022 11:07, NY wrote:
I'm not sure how VHS compared with Betamax and Grundig V2000. I wonder
which format would have prevailed if all three types of machine and
tapes had been available for rental.
Technical quality wise, generally in that order, with V2000 being the best
Availability of 'software' was the exact inverse, and so, so was
domestic penetration (At least in the UK)
I've been robbed
On 18/03/2022 18:06, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 18/03/2022 in message <j9jfibF83bU1@mid.individual.net> Brian GregoryNo, trust me, you haven't !
wrote:
Anything on channel 7 or 8?
That should be your local version of That's TV which is the same as the
channel you want except for the pathetically tiny 10 minutes or so of
actual local material they show daily.
No, blank in the guide - jumps from 6 (ITV2) to 9 (BBC 4), I've been
robbed :-(
On 18/03/2022 11:27, Mark Carver wrote:
On 18/03/2022 11:07, NY wrote:
I'm not sure how VHS compared with Betamax and Grundig V2000. I wonder
which format would have prevailed if all three types of machine and
tapes had been available for rental.
Technical quality wise, generally in that order, with V2000 being the
best
Availability of 'software' was the exact inverse, and so, so was
domestic penetration (At least in the UK)
I never tried Betamax, but I did have a V2000 machine at the same time as
a VHS one. The V2000 quality was far better, but actually finding blank V2000 tapes to record on was incredibly difficult.
The angle of the diagonal tracks is dependent on the tilt angle of the
head axis, the rotational speed of the head and the tape speed. If the
tape is stopped for still frame, the head traces a path on the tape
which is slightly wrong because there's no forward motion of the tape,
so it mis-tracks at the beginning and end. How do they get round that?
Does the head drum alter its tilt angle slightly so the head still
follows the track?
"Indy Jess John" <bathwatchdog@OMITTHISgooglemail.com> wrote in message news:t12r2f$lrr$1@dont-email.me...
On 18/03/2022 11:27, Mark Carver wrote:
On 18/03/2022 11:07, NY wrote:
I'm not sure how VHS compared with Betamax and Grundig V2000. I wonder >>>> which format would have prevailed if all three types of machine and
tapes had been available for rental.
Technical quality wise, generally in that order, with V2000 being the
best
Availability of 'software' was the exact inverse, and so, so was
domestic penetration (At least in the UK)
I never tried Betamax, but I did have a V2000 machine at the same time
as a VHS one. The V2000 quality was far better, but actually finding
blank V2000 tapes to record on was incredibly difficult.
I still find it incredible that a tape moving at a few inches in one direction, with a head spinning in the opposite direction (at one
revolution per frame, I think, so opposite heads each record a field)
can achieve sufficient head-to-tape speed to record a video signal. If
it wasn't for that, we'd still be using gigantic reels of tape moving at about 1800 inches/second (106 mph - shiiiiiite) as they did with VERA.
Silly question. The angle of the diagonal tracks is dependent on the
tilt angle of the head axis, the rotational speed of the head and the
tape speed. If the tape is stopped for still frame, the head traces a
path on the tape which is slightly wrong because there's no forward
motion of the tape, so it mis-tracks at the beginning and end. How do
they get round that? Does the head drum alter its tilt angle slightly so
the head still follows the track? At worst, still frame on VHS gave a
*bit* of noise at the extreme top and bottom, but still a pretty good
result. I'll have to open up my old VHS machine and see if I can see the
drum shifting slightly when I pause the tape. Only thing is (and this is
a sign of how quickly technology becomes obsolete) I'd have to find a TV
that had analogue input (RF or SCART) - our new one doesn't AFAIK.
On Fri 18/03/2022 17:23, NY wrote:
"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:j9jkoeF15dfU2@mid.individual.net...
Hannington is a main transmitter so it will carry COM7.
Lots of main transmitters don't carry COM 7, in fact (if you count
the modern description of a main transmitter as including the 30
large relays from analogue days ) MOST of the main stations don't
carry COM 7 !
Ah, I'm lucky that the three transmitters I've received from in
various houses, Oxford, Bilsdale and Belmont, all carry it, and I
extrapolated that to all main transmitters. But come to think of it,
transmitters like Oliver's Mount (Scarborough) carry PSB1-3 and
COM4-6 but not COM7. I tended to think that there were only two
categories: all-7 and just-PSBs, but there's the third with 6 muxes.
The big main station sites (the likes of CP and EM) with Com7 are
known as the 'enhanced' main stations.
At DSO and during 800 and 700 clearance a number of relay sites in
major population areas were upgraded to main station status. IMSMC
Sheffield, Chesterfield, Olivers Mount (Scarborough), Fenton (Stoke),
Fenham (Newcastle), the West Mids SFN, Nottingham, Storeton (Wirral)
are a few that spring to mind, but some of those, e.g. Sheffield, have
also had Com7 added.
On 18/03/2022 18:32, Brian Gregory wrote:
On 18/03/2022 14:51, Mark Carver wrote:
On 18/03/2022 13:25, Brian Gregory wrote:
Anything on channel 7 or 8?
Not in that direction. Hannington carries two local muxes, but they are
beamed eastwards (on very narrow beams) See one of my other posts in
this thread
I didn't know we knew the direction. I must have missed where he gave
his location.>
He didn't specifically. His sig says "Dorset", so effectively SW to W of Hannington.
On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 22:11:55 +0000, NY wrote:
The angle of the diagonal tracks is dependent on the tilt angle of the
head axis, the rotational speed of the head and the tape speed. If the
tape is stopped for still frame, the head traces a path on the tape
which is slightly wrong because there's no forward motion of the tape,
so it mis-tracks at the beginning and end. How do they get round that?
Does the head drum alter its tilt angle slightly so the head still
follows the track?
I don't know about domestic machines, but broadcast VTRs don't alter the drum, the heads are mounted on piezo crystals which bend when a voltage is applied across them, so a correction waveform is applied to make them
follow the track. I think I'm remembering correctly - it's 17 years since
I retired from VTR maintenance.
On 18/03/2022 18:57, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 18/03/2022 18:32, Brian Gregory wrote:
On 18/03/2022 14:51, Mark Carver wrote:
On 18/03/2022 13:25, Brian Gregory wrote:
Anything on channel 7 or 8?
Not in that direction. Hannington carries two local muxes, but they are >>>> beamed eastwards (on very narrow beams) See one of my other posts in
this thread
I didn't know we knew the direction. I must have missed where he gave
his location.>
He didn't specifically. His sig says "Dorset", so effectively SW to W of
Hannington.
And I feel stupid.
You'd think Rowridge would be nearer.
On 18/03/2022 18:57, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 18/03/2022 18:32, Brian Gregory wrote:
On 18/03/2022 14:51, Mark Carver wrote:
On 18/03/2022 13:25, Brian Gregory wrote:
Anything on channel 7 or 8?
Not in that direction. Hannington carries two local muxes, but they
are beamed eastwards (on very narrow beams) See one of my other posts
in this thread
I didn't know we knew the direction. I must have missed where he gave
his location.>
He didn't specifically. His sig says "Dorset", so effectively SW to W
of Hannington.
And I feel stupid.
You'd think Rowridge would be nearer.
In article <j9mfo1FhvimU1@mid.individual.net>, Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> wrote:
On 18/03/2022 18:57, Jeff Layman wrote:Dorset is quite hilly
On 18/03/2022 18:32, Brian Gregory wrote:And I feel stupid.
On 18/03/2022 14:51, Mark Carver wrote:He didn't specifically. His sig says "Dorset", so effectively SW to W
On 18/03/2022 13:25, Brian Gregory wrote:I didn't know we knew the direction. I must have missed where he gave
Anything on channel 7 or 8?Not in that direction. Hannington carries two local muxes, but they
are beamed eastwards (on very narrow beams) See one of my other posts >>>>> in this thread
his location.>
of Hannington.
You'd think Rowridge would be nearer.
On 19/03/2022 18:31, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 19/03/2022 in message <j9mhngFicqmU1@mid.individual.net> Mark Carver
wrote:
Dorset is a pot-pourri of different transmitter choices, and alsoDorset is quite hillyHe didn't specifically. His sig says "Dorset", so effectively SW to W >>>>>> of Hannington.And I feel stupid.
You'd think Rowridge would be nearer.
straddles three TV regions. (Handy for those slow local news days !)
In one valley it can be Rowridge, in another Mendip, in another
Stockland
Hill. Same for the relay 'parents'.
If it's of interest I am in Alderholt, about three miles west of
Fordingbridge.
Putting in an Alderholt postcode (I used SP6 3AH and house No.1 as an example) at
<https://www.freeview.co.uk/help/coverage-checker/detailed-view> did
indeed show Hannington as "the most likely transmitter" in its "Digital transmitters" table. It does however, give Rowridge as an alternative.
But what is very odd is that in the "Coverage prediction" table it shows Hannington as "variable reception" and Rowridge as "good reception" for
the BBC multiplexes (although variable for Arqiva's). It also shows that there is poor COM7 reception from Hannington, but it is good from Rowridge.
As I mentioned earlier, what direction are the neighbouring houses'
aerials pointing? To Hannington or Rowridge?
Dorset is a pot-pourri of different transmitter choices, and alsoDorset is quite hillyHe didn't specifically. His sig says "Dorset", so effectively SW to W >>>>of Hannington.And I feel stupid.
You'd think Rowridge would be nearer.
straddles three TV regions. (Handy for those slow local news days !)
In one valley it can be Rowridge, in another Mendip, in another Stockland >Hill. Same for the relay 'parents'.
On 19/03/2022 in message <j9mhngFicqmU1@mid.individual.net> Mark Carver wrote:
Dorset is a pot-pourri of different transmitter choices, and alsoDorset is quite hillyHe didn't specifically. His sig says "Dorset", so effectively SW to W >>>>> of Hannington.And I feel stupid.
You'd think Rowridge would be nearer.
straddles three TV regions. (Handy for those slow local news days !)
In one valley it can be Rowridge, in another Mendip, in another Stockland
Hill. Same for the relay 'parents'.
If it's of interest I am in Alderholt, about three miles west of Fordingbridge.
If it's of interest I am in Alderholt, about three miles west of Fordingbridge.
On Sat 19/03/2022 19:49, Mark Carver wrote:
On 19/03/2022 18:31, Jeff Gaines wrote:
Oh, well, that's almost in Hampshire !
If it's of interest I am in Alderholt, about three miles west of >>>Fordingbridge.
A wander around on Streetview indicates mostly Rowridge, but this house
is using Hannington :-)
https://www.google.com/maps/@50.9106932,-1.8346255,3a,75y,305.98h,92.98t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1srF2z8SvpJlKPHPJ8FPDjqg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Go a bit further east along the street and there are several aerials >sequentially on the north side pointed at Hannington and those on the
other side of the road at Rowridge.
Who said riggers never have favourites?
Comments Bill?
Go a bit further east along the street and there are several aerials sequentially on the north side pointed at Hannington and those on the
other side of the road at Rowridge.
Who said riggers never have favourites?
Comments Bill?
On 19/03/2022 18:31, Jeff Gaines wrote:
Oh, well, that's almost in Hampshire !
If it's of interest I am in Alderholt, about three miles west of
Fordingbridge.
A wander around on Streetview indicates mostly Rowridge, but this house
is using Hannington :-)
https://www.google.com/maps/@50.9106932,-1.8346255,3a,75y,305.98h,92.98t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1srF2z8SvpJlKPHPJ8FPDjqg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
On 19/03/2022 in message <t15omd$ea7$1@dont-email.me> Woody wrote:
On Sat 19/03/2022 19:49, Mark Carver wrote:
On 19/03/2022 18:31, Jeff Gaines wrote:
Oh, well, that's almost in Hampshire !
If it's of interest I am in Alderholt, about three miles west of
Fordingbridge.
A wander around on Streetview indicates mostly Rowridge, but this
house is using Hannington :-)
https://www.google.com/maps/@50.9106932,-1.8346255,3a,75y,305.98h,92.98t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1srF2z8SvpJlKPHPJ8FPDjqg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Go a bit further east along the street and there are several aerials
sequentially on the north side pointed at Hannington and those on the
other side of the road at Rowridge.
Who said riggers never have favourites?
Comments Bill?
I'd be very interested, the house on Google maps is within a spit of
mine :-)
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