• BBC 3 Why is it back on Freeview?

    From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 4 08:23:05 2022
    There are some odd decisions being made of late and this and the four week delay in Inside Science podcasts are but two of them.
    BBC 3 it seems nobody was watching before when it was on direct to air,
    they never watched it online or I suspect now its back on air again. Most
    of its shows would fit into some holes in the other bbc channels schedules
    in any case. Since TV in general has gone down the inane and infantile route anyway, nobody would be any the wiser. Indeed ITV are producing better
    dramas these days.
    Also on another tack, is anyone really upset that Neighbours will cease production soon in OZ?
    In my view most soaps are now past their sell by date by quite a way.
    Brian

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  • From Norman Wells@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 4 08:48:50 2022
    On 04/03/2022 08:23, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:

    BBC 3 it seems nobody was watching before when it was on direct to air, they never watched it online or I suspect now its back on air again.

    Can you blame them? From the intrusive adverts on other BBC channels It
    looks absolutely dire, as it always did of course.

    Most
    of its shows would fit into some holes in the other bbc channels schedules in any case.

    Please, no! Let it not infest the others, but isolate it from all
    interaction with the outside world until hopefully it just dies.

    Since TV in general has gone down the inane and infantile route
    anyway, nobody would be any the wiser.

    Just watch out for when BBC3's adherents run the country, whose time
    will surely come. We rightly moan about millennials who run it now but
    we ain't seen nothing yet.

    More Dragrace anyone?

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to Norman Wells on Fri Mar 4 09:03:29 2022
    On 04/03/2022 08:48, Norman Wells wrote:
    Can you blame them? From the intrusive adverts on other BBC channels It looks absolutely dire, as it always did of course.

    Do you think they should not promote their own programmes?

    Not as intrusive and annoying as the ones on commercial channels.

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 4 09:09:35 2022
    On 04/03/2022 09:03, MB wrote:
    On 04/03/2022 08:48, Norman Wells wrote:
    Can you blame them?  From the intrusive adverts on other BBC channels It
    looks absolutely dire, as it always did of course.

    Do you think they should not promote their own programmes?

    Not as intrusive and annoying as the ones on commercial channels.

    A 30 second promotion is called an advert if it's paid for, and a promo
    if it's not.
    I find them equally intrusive.

    I've seen BBC promos at the cinema, (where they are adverts of course)

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  • From NY@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Fri Mar 4 09:32:40 2022
    "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:j8e3afF29ivU1@mid.individual.net...
    On 04/03/2022 09:03, MB wrote:
    On 04/03/2022 08:48, Norman Wells wrote:
    Can you blame them? From the intrusive adverts on other BBC channels It >>> looks absolutely dire, as it always did of course.

    Do you think they should not promote their own programmes?

    Not as intrusive and annoying as the ones on commercial channels.

    A 30 second promotion is called an advert if it's paid for, and a promo if it's not.
    I find them equally intrusive.

    Well said. It's like the difference between spam (advert for legitimate company) and scam (advert for a fraudulent venture). They are equally
    annoying when they turn up in your email inbox, your text message inbox, by phone, through your letterbox, or (in the case of religious spammers) via
    knock at the door.

    The real problem with trailers is that even when BBC is running late because
    it has prioritised sport ahead of a scheduled programme, it *still* runs all its trailers (you almost get the impression that find a few extra ones!) instead of ditching them to try and claw back a few minutes to get back on schedule. My impression (and I could be wrong) is that ITV, while it keeps
    the adverts which pay the bills, seems more inclined to drop trailers if
    there is an overrunning programme.

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  • From Norman Wells@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 4 09:39:16 2022
    On 04/03/2022 09:03, MB wrote:
    On 04/03/2022 08:48, Norman Wells wrote:
    Can you blame them?  From the intrusive adverts on other BBC channels It
    looks absolutely dire, as it always did of course.

    Do you think they should not promote their own programmes?

    It seems rather desperate to be advertising in such quantity to masses
    who will never watch it anyway.

    I thought we paid our licence fee to be free of inane promotion of
    things we don't want.

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  • From John Hall@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 4 10:36:45 2022
    "BBC 3 Why is it back on Freeview?"

    Because the BBC are obsessed with the youth market. It seems they want
    to alienate the audience they already have, by putting a
    disproportionate share of their budget into an almost certainly doomed
    chase of an audience that prefers to get its entertainment online.
    --
    John Hall
    "Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
    But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
    Ogden Nash (1902-1971)

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  • From Tweed@21:1/5 to me@privacy.invalid on Fri Mar 4 11:19:00 2022
    NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
    "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:j8e3afF29ivU1@mid.individual.net...
    On 04/03/2022 09:03, MB wrote:
    On 04/03/2022 08:48, Norman Wells wrote:
    Can you blame them? From the intrusive adverts on other BBC channels It >>>> looks absolutely dire, as it always did of course.

    Do you think they should not promote their own programmes?

    Not as intrusive and annoying as the ones on commercial channels.

    A 30 second promotion is called an advert if it's paid for, and a promo if >> it's not.
    I find them equally intrusive.

    Well said. It's like the difference between spam (advert for legitimate company) and scam (advert for a fraudulent venture). They are equally annoying when they turn up in your email inbox, your text message inbox, by phone, through your letterbox, or (in the case of religious spammers) via knock at the door.

    The real problem with trailers is that even when BBC is running late because it has prioritised sport ahead of a scheduled programme, it *still* runs all its trailers (you almost get the impression that find a few extra ones!) instead of ditching them to try and claw back a few minutes to get back on schedule. My impression (and I could be wrong) is that ITV, while it keeps the adverts which pay the bills, seems more inclined to drop trailers if there is an overrunning programme.



    You don’t get BBC promos in the middle of programmes. There’s absolutely no comparison between the disruptive effect of adverts vs trailers.

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  • From Jeff Layman@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 4 11:33:11 2022
    I have concluded that the only reason BBC3 is back on air is the BBC's
    desire to be seen to be "inclusive". So that includes programmes
    specifically made for the pre-20s, and, of course, those of non-binary
    and related diverse interests. If there is an audience who watches
    Freeview for those programmes, fine. But if not, and they are generally streamed, then why are they on Freeview?

    As to the demise of "Neighbours", it was mentioned on local radio this
    morning that there was evidently a petition to keep it going, signed by
    600,000 and which was sent to Channel 5. Obviously, though, with no
    success. Perhaps there is a bigger audience for "RuPaul's Drag Race Down Under"? Or perhaps not...

    Soaps aren't for me, but I understand EastEnders and Coronation Street
    still command very large audiences. In that case, they should be on the schedules, and at prime time.

    --

    Jeff


    On 04/03/2022 08:23, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
    There are some odd decisions being made of late and this and the four week delay in Inside Science podcasts are but two of them.
    BBC 3 it seems nobody was watching before when it was on direct to air, they never watched it online or I suspect now its back on air again. Most
    of its shows would fit into some holes in the other bbc channels schedules in any case. Since TV in general has gone down the inane and infantile route anyway, nobody would be any the wiser. Indeed ITV are producing better
    dramas these days.
    Also on another tack, is anyone really upset that Neighbours will cease production soon in OZ?
    In my view most soaps are now past their sell by date by quite a way.
    Brian


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  • From Jeff Layman@21:1/5 to Tweed on Fri Mar 4 11:35:10 2022
    On 04/03/2022 11:19, Tweed wrote:

    The real problem with trailers is that even when BBC is running late because >> it has prioritised sport ahead of a scheduled programme, it *still* runs all >> its trailers (you almost get the impression that find a few extra ones!)
    instead of ditching them to try and claw back a few minutes to get back on >> schedule. My impression (and I could be wrong) is that ITV, while it keeps >> the adverts which pay the bills, seems more inclined to drop trailers if
    there is an overrunning programme.

    You don’t get BBC promos in the middle of programmes. There’s absolutely no
    comparison between the disruptive effect of adverts vs trailers.

    You get them over the credits, which is even worse, especially when you
    are trying to identify an actor who has appeared in the programme.

    --

    Jeff

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to Tweed on Fri Mar 4 11:22:42 2022
    On 04/03/2022 11:19, Tweed wrote:
    You don’t get BBC promos in the middle of programmes.
    You do. During Breakfast News, in fact all the time on the News Channel,
    at half time during football and rugby matches, during tennis match
    breaks etc etc....

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Fri Mar 4 12:40:18 2022
    On 04/03/2022 11:22, Mark Carver wrote:
    You do. During Breakfast News, in fact all the time on the News Channel,
    at half time during football and rugby matches, during tennis match
    breaks etc etc....

    Aren't many on BBC News to allow other channels to join or leave them, I
    expect some are to allow the presenters to be switched around.

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to Tweed on Fri Mar 4 12:38:07 2022
    On 04/03/2022 11:19, Tweed wrote:
    You don’t get BBC promos in the middle of programmes. There’s absolutely no
    comparison between the disruptive effect of adverts vs trailers.

    Also I have often, even with promotions, had people moan that they did
    not know a programme was on - some seem to expect the DG to personally
    ring them all to tell them :-)

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  • From Tweed@21:1/5 to MB@nospam.net on Fri Mar 4 12:43:47 2022
    MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
    On 04/03/2022 11:22, Mark Carver wrote:
    You do. During Breakfast News, in fact all the time on the News Channel,
    at half time during football and rugby matches, during tennis match
    breaks etc etc....

    Aren't many on BBC News to allow other channels to join or leave them, I expect some are to allow the presenters to be switched around.



    I thought also the news channel promos were to allow advert insertion into
    the overseas feeds.

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  • From NY@21:1/5 to Tweed on Fri Mar 4 12:59:48 2022
    "Tweed" <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote in message news:svssj3$que$1@dont-email.me...
    The real problem with trailers is that even when BBC is running late
    because
    it has prioritised sport ahead of a scheduled programme, it *still* runs
    all
    its trailers (you almost get the impression that find a few extra ones!)
    instead of ditching them to try and claw back a few minutes to get back
    on
    schedule. My impression (and I could be wrong) is that ITV, while it
    keeps
    the adverts which pay the bills, seems more inclined to drop trailers if
    there is an overrunning programme.

    You don’t get BBC promos in the middle of programmes. There’s absolutely no
    comparison between the disruptive effect of adverts vs trailers.

    When they occur, adverts and trailers are disruptive, particularly if
    trailer, continuity or advert occurs too soon after (or even during the end-credits of) a programme that has been very moving and needs a period of contemplative wind-down. But I agree that there are fewer occasions when BBC run continuity and trailers than when ITV run those plus adverts.

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  • From Martin@21:1/5 to MB@nospam.net on Fri Mar 4 14:20:46 2022
    On Fri, 4 Mar 2022 09:03:29 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

    On 04/03/2022 08:48, Norman Wells wrote:
    Can you blame them? From the intrusive adverts on other BBC channels It
    looks absolutely dire, as it always did of course.

    Do you think they should not promote their own programmes?

    Not as intrusive and annoying as the ones on commercial channels.

    When the BBC make a mistake they shouldn't keep on pumping money into an unwatched channel at the expense of more successful channels.
    --

    Martin in Zuid Holland

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  • From Jim Lesurf@21:1/5 to briang1@blueyonder.co.uk on Fri Mar 4 10:07:42 2022
    In article <svsi9d$38i$1@dont-email.me>, Brian Gaff \(Sofa\) <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
    There are some odd decisions being made of late and this and the four
    week delay in Inside Science podcasts are but two of them.

    AIUI The 'Inside Science' delay is for the sheduled radio *broadcast* on
    FM, etc. The idea seems to give podcasting an 'advantage'. Whereas in
    reality what it does is *disadvantage* conventional radio listeners.

    Utterly bonkers!

    Jim

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to Jim Lesurf on Fri Mar 4 18:37:01 2022
    On 04/03/2022 10:07, Jim Lesurf wrote:
    In article <svsi9d$38i$1@dont-email.me>, Brian Gaff \(Sofa\) <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    There are some odd decisions being made of late and this and the four
    week delay in Inside Science podcasts are but two of them.

    AIUI The 'Inside Science' delay is for the sheduled radio *broadcast* on
    FM, etc. The idea seems to give podcasting an 'advantage'. Whereas in
    reality what it does is *disadvantage* conventional radio listeners.

    Actually the delay only applies to podcasts through a third party
    podcatcher (like Podcast Addict), and the ability to download the MP3
    from the programme website. They are still broadcasting the programme as scheduled on Radio 4, in fact I have just recorded it from Freeview on
    my Humax.

    You can stream the programme now from the BBC website or the Sounds app.
    You can also download it on the app (for offline playing), but it
    doesn't tell you where it is on your device.

    --
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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 4 20:16:46 2022
    On 04/03/2022 08:23 am, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:

    There are some odd decisions being made of late and this and the four week delay in Inside Science podcasts are but two of them.
    BBC 3 it seems nobody was watching before when it was on direct to air, they never watched it online or I suspect now its back on air again. Most
    of its shows would fit into some holes in the other bbc channels schedules in any case. Since TV in general has gone down the inane and infantile route anyway, nobody would be any the wiser. Indeed ITV are producing better
    dramas these days.
    Also on another tack, is anyone really upset that Neighbours will cease production soon in OZ?
    In my view most soaps are now past their sell by date by quite a way.
    Brian

    At least it proves that the BBC are not credible or truthful when they
    complain about lack of money.

    There is clearly scope for a reduction in the annual BBC Tax every year
    between now and the end of the corporation's charter.

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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to Jeff Layman on Sat Mar 5 09:08:15 2022
    On 04/03/2022 11:33, Jeff Layman wrote:

    As to the demise of "Neighbours", it was mentioned on local radio this morning that there was evidently a petition to keep it going, signed by 600,000 and which was sent to Channel 5. Obviously, though, with no
    success.

    It was going to die when the BBC dropped it and only saved when Ch5
    carried on airing it, to a falling audience. The Aussie soap was only
    viable with UK cash.

    I seem to remember it "jumping the shark" when too many of the
    (fictional) cast fully recovered from fatal or degenerative illnesses.

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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to Norman Wells on Sat Mar 5 09:48:39 2022
    Well at least drag race is sometimes funny, but I have no idea what I was watching the other night as after 10 minutes, apart from some swearing and concerned vox pops about not a lot it was impenetrable. I guess its my age.
    Could anyone actually say who is watching this channel?

    I find more and more drawn to Drama, Yesterday and ITV 3 these days to catch
    up on older stuff. Most of the old BBC stuff like Horizon are not about, Documentaries from the bbc are either inaccurate biased or full of music.

    Its a great shame that the BBC seem to have flogged off their old good
    stuff to a commercial channel for re runs.

    Brian

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    "Norman Wells" <hex@unseen.ac.am> wrote in message news:j8e23hF23f2U1@mid.individual.net...
    On 04/03/2022 08:23, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:

    BBC 3 it seems nobody was watching before when it was on direct to air,
    they never watched it online or I suspect now its back on air again.

    Can you blame them? From the intrusive adverts on other BBC channels It looks absolutely dire, as it always did of course.

    Most
    of its shows would fit into some holes in the other bbc channels
    schedules
    in any case.

    Please, no! Let it not infest the others, but isolate it from all interaction with the outside world until hopefully it just dies.

    Since TV in general has gone down the inane and infantile route
    anyway, nobody would be any the wiser.

    Just watch out for when BBC3's adherents run the country, whose time will surely come. We rightly moan about millennials who run it now but we
    ain't seen nothing yet.

    More Dragrace anyone?

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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to MB@nospam.net on Sat Mar 5 09:51:26 2022
    Oh really? At least a lot of the trails for commercial shows contain Audio description, whereas the bbc often just have snatches of unrelated bits
    making me get very bemused over the shows. To really sell a show, you need some context to what the trail is showing. There are obviously no good
    trailer makers at the Beeb any more.
    Brian

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    "MB" <MB@nospam.net> wrote in message news:svskl0$lnh$1@dont-email.me...
    On 04/03/2022 08:48, Norman Wells wrote:
    Can you blame them? From the intrusive adverts on other BBC channels It
    looks absolutely dire, as it always did of course.

    Do you think they should not promote their own programmes?

    Not as intrusive and annoying as the ones on commercial channels.


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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Sat Mar 5 09:53:07 2022
    Incidentally two days ago More 4 seemed to vanish. Is this a casualty of trying to cram in more to fewer bandwidth, or has my set forgotten it?
    Brian

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    "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:j8e3afF29ivU1@mid.individual.net...
    On 04/03/2022 09:03, MB wrote:
    On 04/03/2022 08:48, Norman Wells wrote:
    Can you blame them? From the intrusive adverts on other BBC channels It
    looks absolutely dire, as it always did of course.

    Do you think they should not promote their own programmes?

    Not as intrusive and annoying as the ones on commercial channels.

    A 30 second promotion is called an advert if it's paid for, and a promo if it's not.
    I find them equally intrusive.

    I've seen BBC promos at the cinema, (where they are adverts of course)

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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to junk@admac.myzen.co.uk on Sat Mar 5 09:58:22 2022
    Tee hee, Its pretty inoffensive though compared to Eastenders, which does
    seem to be based in a world which is far more dangerous and more full of
    idiots criminals and goodness knows what else than we live in. If I lived in Albert Square I'd get out as soon as possible. At least Neighbours is
    somehow more palatable, something I never thought I'd say about a TV show
    from Australia.

    Brian

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    "alan_m" <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message news:j8gnjvFhlu2U1@mid.individual.net...
    On 04/03/2022 11:33, Jeff Layman wrote:

    As to the demise of "Neighbours", it was mentioned on local radio this
    morning that there was evidently a petition to keep it going, signed by
    600,000 and which was sent to Channel 5. Obviously, though, with no
    success.

    It was going to die when the BBC dropped it and only saved when Ch5
    carried on airing it, to a falling audience. The Aussie soap was only
    viable with UK cash.

    I seem to remember it "jumping the shark" when too many of the (fictional) cast fully recovered from fatal or degenerative illnesses.

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 5 10:08:58 2022
    On 05/03/2022 09:58, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
    Tee hee, Its pretty inoffensive though compared to Eastenders, which does seem to be based in a world which is far more dangerous and more full of idiots criminals and goodness knows what else than we live in. If I lived in Albert Square I'd get out as soon as possible. At least Neighbours is
    somehow more palatable, something I never thought I'd say about a TV show from Australia.

    I have never watched any of them but just sounds as if Neighbours
    follows in the tradition of Crossroads!

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 5 10:07:44 2022
    Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:

    two days ago More 4 seemed to vanish

    More4 and More4+1 still on FTA sat, looks like More4HD is sky-only?

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 5 11:03:45 2022
    MB wrote:

    I have never watched any of them but just sounds as if Neighbours follows in the
    tradition of Crossroads!

    Well, Tony Hatch wrote the theme tunes for both

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to junk@admac.myzen.co.uk on Sat Mar 5 12:01:00 2022
    In article <j8h0ioFj9o1U1@mid.individual.net>,
    alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On 05/03/2022 10:08, MB wrote:


    I have never watched any of them but just sounds as if Neighbours
    follows in the tradition of Crossroads!

    The cardboard sets didn't wobble in Neighbours :)


    The Kenny Everett version "Cobblers" was better

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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 5 11:44:53 2022
    On 05/03/2022 09:48, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:

    Its a great shame that the BBC seem to have flogged off their old good stuff to a commercial channel for re runs.

    Brian


    Possibly because the licence payer provided the cash to commission and
    make the programs but never had the rights to show them more than a
    couple of times.

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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 5 11:41:12 2022
    On 05/03/2022 10:08, MB wrote:


    I have never watched any of them but just sounds as if Neighbours
    follows in the tradition of Crossroads!

    The cardboard sets didn't wobble in Neighbours :)

    --
    mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk

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  • From Jim Lesurf@21:1/5 to max_demian@bigfoot.com on Sat Mar 5 10:46:30 2022
    In article <JOmdnaivcLrQwb__nZ2dnUU7-IPNnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, Max
    Demian
    <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
    Actually the delay only applies to podcasts through a third party
    podcatcher (like Podcast Addict), and the ability to download the MP3
    from the programme website. They are still broadcasting the programme as scheduled on Radio 4, in fact I have just recorded it from Freeview on
    my Humax.

    Thanks, I'd not checked that. I *have* found that if I use gip to obtain a radio file from the BBC broadcast schedules pages I generally get the
    'extended podcast' version which tends to be longer than the broadcast
    slot. But I rarely listen live to my favourites as I prefer to play them
    when I can pay attention and/or rewind them.

    That makes the policy a bit more sensible as it is delaying 'non BBC' availability which might then not be 'counted' in terms of being someone 'listening to the BBC' and also makes 'Zounds' more attractive for people wanting BBC material.

    Jim

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  • From PeterC@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 5 15:16:16 2022
    On Fri, 4 Mar 2022 09:32:40 -0000, NY wrote:

    The real problem with trailers is that even when BBC is running late because it has prioritised sport ahead of a scheduled programme, it *still* runs all its trailers (you almost get the impression that find a few extra ones!) instead of ditching them to try and claw back a few minutes to get back on schedule.

    Even run a trailer for the next programme on, even when running late.

    Some com. channels run trailers for the programme that's running!
    --
    Peter.
    The gods will stay away
    whilst religions hold sway

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  • From Martin@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 6 10:11:47 2022
    On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 10:07:42 +0000 (GMT), Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:

    In article <svsi9d$38i$1@dont-email.me>, Brian Gaff \(Sofa\) ><briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
    There are some odd decisions being made of late and this and the four
    week delay in Inside Science podcasts are but two of them.

    AIUI The 'Inside Science' delay is for the sheduled radio *broadcast* on
    FM, etc. The idea seems to give podcasting an 'advantage'. Whereas in
    reality what it does is *disadvantage* conventional radio listeners.

    Utterly bonkers!

    The lunatics have taken over the asylum.
    --

    Martin in Zuid Holland

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  • From Martin@21:1/5 to JNugent on Sun Mar 6 10:13:52 2022
    On Fri, 4 Mar 2022 20:16:46 +0000, JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:

    On 04/03/2022 08:23 am, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:

    There are some odd decisions being made of late and this and the four week >> delay in Inside Science podcasts are but two of them.
    BBC 3 it seems nobody was watching before when it was on direct to air,
    they never watched it online or I suspect now its back on air again. Most >> of its shows would fit into some holes in the other bbc channels schedules >> in any case. Since TV in general has gone down the inane and infantile route >> anyway, nobody would be any the wiser. Indeed ITV are producing better
    dramas these days.
    Also on another tack, is anyone really upset that Neighbours will cease
    production soon in OZ?
    In my view most soaps are now past their sell by date by quite a way.
    Brian

    At least it proves that the BBC are not credible or truthful when they >complain about lack of money.

    Nobody ever thought they were :-)


    There is clearly scope for a reduction in the annual BBC Tax every year >between now and the end of the corporation's charter.

    There's similar case for doing the same to Sky.
    --

    Martin in Zuid Holland

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  • From Martin@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Sun Mar 6 10:23:27 2022
    On Sat, 5 Mar 2022 11:03:45 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

    MB wrote:

    I have never watched any of them but just sounds as if Neighbours follows in the
    tradition of Crossroads!

    Well, Tony Hatch wrote the theme tunes for both

    and the one that was set in Spain which never had a real chance to get going.

    There was an odd article in The Telegraph justifying the spending of £87million on a new Eastenders set on the basis of how little the old one had cost when spread over 40 years. Odd because the DT is consistently anti anything the BBC produces. Do they really expect Eastenders to last another 40 years? Viewing figures are below 4 million now, about the same as Death in Paradise, which must
    be die for the chop soon.
    --

    Martin in Zuid Holland

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to Martin on Sun Mar 6 11:51:49 2022
    On 06/03/2022 09:23, Martin wrote:
    There was an odd article in The Telegraph justifying the spending of £87million
    on a new Eastenders set on the basis of how little the old one had cost when spread over 40 years. Odd because the DT is consistently anti anything the BBC
    produces. Do they really expect Eastenders to last another 40 years? Viewing figures are below 4 million now, about the same as Death in Paradise, which must
    be die for the chop soon.

    They showed the new set on The One Show on Friday.

    The old set was in a poor state and not pleasant to work in because it
    is unheated. It was never designed to last so long.

    The new set saves money with simple things like being able to shoot
    scenes in a doorway from both sides because the old set only had the
    frontage of the buildings, so saving time.

    I never watch any soaps but the series still seems to be very popular
    and probably a lot cheaper to make than the American soaps that some
    channels are so fond of.

    Unlike you I do not have access to full BARB data but from the public
    figures it seems to be getting more than the figure you quote.

    Also shown in several other countries.

    I think they get some grants / subsidies in the areas where it is filmed.

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to Martin on Sun Mar 6 15:34:46 2022
    On 06/03/2022 09:23, Martin wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Mar 2022 11:03:45 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

    MB wrote:

    I have never watched any of them but just sounds as if Neighbours follows in the
    tradition of Crossroads!
    Well, Tony Hatch wrote the theme tunes for both
    and the one that was set in Spain which never had a real chance to get going.

    No, that was Simon May (of Howard's Way theme tune fame)

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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to Martin on Sun Mar 6 16:00:19 2022
    I don't know about Sky as I've never bothered with it. Incidentally I notice that after a day not being there, more 4 is back. Did it really go away for
    a couple of days, or was it yet another Samsung idiosyncrasy like the one I
    had to do a factory reset for a week ago after an update?
    I do wish those who write software for tv sets would thoroughly test they
    code before inflicting it on the public. Yes they were helpful, but they
    should not have had to be, it should just work!

    Brian

    --

    This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from...
    The Sofa of Brian Gaff...
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    Blind user, so no pictures please
    Note this Signature is meaningless.!
    "Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message news:qnu82hp1iqrjj4lvov93fncoe9sni01k4c@4ax.com...
    On Fri, 4 Mar 2022 20:16:46 +0000, JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm>
    wrote:

    On 04/03/2022 08:23 am, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:

    There are some odd decisions being made of late and this and the four
    week
    delay in Inside Science podcasts are but two of them.
    BBC 3 it seems nobody was watching before when it was on direct to
    air,
    they never watched it online or I suspect now its back on air again.
    Most
    of its shows would fit into some holes in the other bbc channels
    schedules
    in any case. Since TV in general has gone down the inane and infantile
    route
    anyway, nobody would be any the wiser. Indeed ITV are producing better
    dramas these days.
    Also on another tack, is anyone really upset that Neighbours will
    cease
    production soon in OZ?
    In my view most soaps are now past their sell by date by quite a way. >>> Brian

    At least it proves that the BBC are not credible or truthful when they >>complain about lack of money.

    Nobody ever thought they were :-)


    There is clearly scope for a reduction in the annual BBC Tax every year >>between now and the end of the corporation's charter.

    There's similar case for doing the same to Sky.
    --

    Martin in Zuid Holland




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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Martin on Sun Mar 6 16:24:39 2022
    On 06/03/2022 09:13 am, Martin wrote:
    On Fri, 4 Mar 2022 20:16:46 +0000, JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:

    On 04/03/2022 08:23 am, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:

    There are some odd decisions being made of late and this and the four week >>> delay in Inside Science podcasts are but two of them.
    BBC 3 it seems nobody was watching before when it was on direct to air, >>> they never watched it online or I suspect now its back on air again. Most >>> of its shows would fit into some holes in the other bbc channels schedules >>> in any case. Since TV in general has gone down the inane and infantile route
    anyway, nobody would be any the wiser. Indeed ITV are producing better
    dramas these days.
    Also on another tack, is anyone really upset that Neighbours will cease >>> production soon in OZ?
    In my view most soaps are now past their sell by date by quite a way. >>> Brian

    At least it proves that the BBC are not credible or truthful when they
    complain about lack of money.

    Nobody ever thought they were :-)


    There is clearly scope for a reduction in the annual BBC Tax every year
    between now and the end of the corporation's charter.

    There's similar case for doing the same to Sky.

    I didn't know that a subscription to Sky was compulsory as a gateway to watching other channels.

    When did that happen?

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  • From Martin@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 9 10:14:54 2022
    On Sun, 6 Mar 2022 15:34:46 +0000, Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 06/03/2022 09:23, Martin wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Mar 2022 11:03:45 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote: >>
    MB wrote:

    I have never watched any of them but just sounds as if Neighbours follows in the
    tradition of Crossroads!
    Well, Tony Hatch wrote the theme tunes for both
    and the one that was set in Spain which never had a real chance to get going.

    No, that was Simon May (of Howard's Way theme tune fame)

    where the main actor killed the series by dying.
    --

    Martin in Zuid Holland

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  • From Martin@21:1/5 to MB@nospam.net on Wed Mar 9 10:13:21 2022
    On Sun, 6 Mar 2022 11:51:49 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

    On 06/03/2022 09:23, Martin wrote:
    There was an odd article in The Telegraph justifying the spending of £87million
    on a new Eastenders set on the basis of how little the old one had cost when >> spread over 40 years. Odd because the DT is consistently anti anything the BBC
    produces. Do they really expect Eastenders to last another 40 years? Viewing >> figures are below 4 million now, about the same as Death in Paradise, which must
    be die for the chop soon.

    They showed the new set on The One Show on Friday.

    The old set was in a poor state and not pleasant to work in because it
    is unheated. It was never designed to last so long.

    The new set saves money with simple things like being able to shoot
    scenes in a doorway from both sides because the old set only had the
    frontage of the buildings, so saving time.

    I never watch any soaps but the series still seems to be very popular
    and probably a lot cheaper to make than the American soaps that some
    channels are so fond of.

    Unlike you I do not have access to full BARB data but from the public
    figures it seems to be getting more than the figure you quote.

    I took the figures that the DT provided.


    Also shown in several other countries.

    I think they get some grants / subsidies in the areas where it is filmed.

    Elstree Boreham Wood?
    --

    Martin in Zuid Holland

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to Martin on Wed Mar 9 11:03:01 2022
    On 09/03/2022 09:13, Martin wrote:
    Elstree Boreham Wood?

    That was referring to the comment about Death in Paradise, should have
    made it clearer.

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