If I use the optical connection on the TV (1) does it give sound out
is that sound level adjusted by the TV
Woody wrote:
If I use the optical connection on the TV (1) does it give sound outnormally yes, do you see a red LED shining out the TV's TOSlink port?
is that sound level adjusted by the TVusually not
I have a Philips soundbar that has its own remote control. I also have a Samsung UE32T5300 smart TV.
The soundbar will only take plain audio or optical connection.
If I use the optical connection on the TV (1) does it give sound out and
(2) is that sound level adjusted by the TV (i.e. so that I can fix the
level of the soundbar output using the soundbar remote and then adjust
the listening level coming out of the TV optical port using the TV remote?)
Hope that makes sense.
On 17/02/2022 13:07, Woody wrote:
I have a Philips soundbar that has its own remote control. I also have
a Samsung UE32T5300 smart TV.
The soundbar will only take plain audio or optical connection.
If I use the optical connection on the TV (1) does it give sound out
and (2) is that sound level adjusted by the TV (i.e. so that I can fix
the level of the soundbar output using the soundbar remote and then
adjust the listening level coming out of the TV optical port using the
TV remote?)
Hope that makes sense.
All optical connections I've used are fixed volume - the source cannot
adjust the volume on the optical out.
I have a Philips soundbar that has its own remote control. I also have a >Samsung UE32T5300 smart TV.
The soundbar will only take plain audio or optical connection.
If I use the optical connection on the TV (1) does it give sound out and
(2) is that sound level adjusted by the TV (i.e. so that I can fix the
level of the soundbar output using the soundbar remote and then adjust the listening level coming out of the TV optical port using the TV remote?)
Hope that makes sense.
On 17/02/2022 16:29, alan_m wrote:
On 17/02/2022 13:07, Woody wrote:
I have a Philips soundbar that has its own remote control. I also have a >>> Samsung UE32T5300 smart TV.
The soundbar will only take plain audio or optical connection.
If I use the optical connection on the TV (1) does it give sound out and >>> (2) is that sound level adjusted by the TV (i.e. so that I can fix the
level of the soundbar output using the soundbar remote and then adjust
the listening level coming out of the TV optical port using the TV
remote?)
Is it possible to program the TV remote so that it sends IR that the
soundbar understands?
Hope that makes sense.
All optical connections I've used are fixed volume - the source cannot
adjust the volume on the optical out.
It's amazing how interoperable some of these smart TVs turn out.
Fixed audio outputs (either Phono or Optical) is common in my experience.
It's a problem to owners of soundbars and full featured surround sound systems. Especially prominent with TV manufacturers manipulating the situation to sell their own very compatible soundbar by installing crap TV speakers.
Their recommended integrated solution is to buy a soundbar with HDMI CEC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumer_Electronics_Control
Or that horrible bluetooth.
But a workaround strikes me.
Hack something that can listen to the volume up/down commands of the TV remote and relay it as up/down command commands to the Soundbar.
A project for a Raspberry Pico and some idle fingers.
Make enough, flog on eBay/Etsy
Retire.
There ye go, Oh yes, I want 51% for a 0.000000001p investment....
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On 17/02/2022 13:07, Woody wrote:
I have a Philips soundbar that has its own remote control. I also have a
Samsung UE32T5300 smart TV.
The soundbar will only take plain audio or optical connection.
If I use the optical connection on the TV (1) does it give sound out and
(2) is that sound level adjusted by the TV (i.e. so that I can fix the
level of the soundbar output using the soundbar remote and then adjust
the listening level coming out of the TV optical port using the TV
remote?)
Hope that makes sense.
All optical connections I've used are fixed volume - the source cannot
adjust the volume on the optical out.
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On Thursday, 17 February 2022 at 13:22:51 UTC, Andy Burns wrote:
Woody wrote:
If I use the optical connection on the TV (1) does it give sound outnormally yes, do you see a red LED shining out the TV's TOSlink port?
is that sound level adjusted by the TVusually not
Agree.
In article <61f14945-eb45-4297-902f-4fb28042340fn@googlegroups.com>, R.
Mark Clayton <notyalckram@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, 17 February 2022 at 13:22:51 UTC, Andy Burns wrote:
Woody wrote:
If I use the optical connection on the TV (1) does it give sound outnormally yes, do you see a red LED shining out the TV's TOSlink port?
is that sound level adjusted by the TVusually not
Agree.
It's Nature's Way of telling people not to buy 'soundbars' and to buy a decent DAC + Amp + Speakers instead. :-)
Jim
Yes and then when you want the computer to operate with the tv as a monitor, you find that the hdmi shoves all the audio through the tv instead of your main audio system so you have to buy a via to hdmi converter and leave the audio unplugged.
In them old days these would be configurable by a set of switches, set and forget.
Brian
How does that help? You still won't be able to control the volume with
the TV's volume control.
In article <61f14945-eb45-4297-902f-4fb28042340fn@googlegroups.com>, R.
Mark Clayton <notyalckram@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, 17 February 2022 at 13:22:51 UTC, Andy Burns wrote:
Woody wrote:
If I use the optical connection on the TV (1) does it give sound outnormally yes, do you see a red LED shining out the TV's TOSlink port?
is that sound level adjusted by the TVusually not
Agree.
It's Nature's Way of telling people not to buy 'soundbars' and to buy a decent DAC + Amp + Speakers instead. :-)
Jim
Yes and then when you want the computer to operate with the tv as a monitor, you find that the hdmi shoves all the audio through the tv instead of your main audio system so you have to buy a via to hdmi converter and leave the audio unplugged.
In them old days these would be configurable by a set of switches, set and forget.
Brian
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In article <j79mh0F28saU1@mid.individual.net>,
Roger Mills says...
How does that help? You still won't be able to control the volume with
the TV's volume control.
You will!
I have an AV Receiver connected to the ARC output of my TV.
System volume can be controlled by the TV, AV receiver, Sky or Youview.
In article <j79mh0F28saU1@mid.individual.net>,
Roger Mills says...
How does that help? You still won't be able to control the volume with
the TV's volume control.
You will!
I have an AV Receiver connected to the ARC output of my TV.
System volume can be controlled by the TV, AV receiver, Sky or Youview.
Fair enough, but I took the previous poster's comment to mean that he
was using the TV's optical output. Am I mistaken?
How does that help? You still won't be able to control the volume with
the TV's volume control.
On 18/02/2022 10:47, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
Yes and then when you want the computer to operate with the tv as a monitor, >> you find that the hdmi shoves all the audio through the tv instead of your >> main audio system so you have to buy a via to hdmi converter and leave the >> audio unplugged.
In them old days these would be configurable by a set of switches, set and >> forget.
Brian
You can configure the computer's sound settings to use your maim
speakers rather than sending it to to HDMI connected device.
On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 13:53:11 +0000, Roger Mills
<mills37...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 18/02/2022 10:47, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
Yes and then when you want the computer to operate with the tv as a monitor,
you find that the hdmi shoves all the audio through the tv instead of your >> main audio system so you have to buy a via to hdmi converter and leave the >> audio unplugged.
In them old days these would be configurable by a set of switches, set and >> forget.
Brian
You can configure the computer's sound settings to use your maimYou can also configure the TV so its sound is permanently off and only
speakers rather than sending it to to HDMI connected device.
use it as a video display, with all picture and sound signals from
external boxes, which you can control as you like.
I've found that the Nvidia Shield remote can control a Cambridge Audio
hi-fi amplifier (by infrared) as well as its own device (by Bluetooth)
so most of the time I only need one remote on the coffee table.
Some of the Amazon remotes offer the same facility, but I've had no
success in making one work with a hi-fi amplifier. They seem to think everybody uses a TV for sound. The Nvidia setup was childishly easy.
Rod.
But you can with a DAC or amp that has this as remote controllable. And
with a good example, this avoids any loss extra due to the limits of spdif.
The OP asked whether the TOslink output level could be varied by the TV.
The general consensus was that it could not. Jim suggested connecting a decent audio system to the TV to enable this. You replied that this
would still not give TV control of output volume. I replied saying that
using HDMI ARC it was possible.
FWIW despite industry attempts to prevent it you can still buy devices that >will pass though HDMI and strip out a copy of the audio to provide an
optical or coax spdif output. I have a couple that get occasional use.
In article <59bcbec9d6noise@audiomisc.co.uk>,
Jim Lesurf says...
But you can with a DAC or amp that has this as remote controllable.
And with a good example, this avoids any loss extra due to the limits
of spdif.
I have three devices which are switchable between Stereo 2.0 PCM and
Surround 5.1 Dolby Digital
When set to Stereo all 3 allow control of the Optical output level.
When set to Surround all 3 set a fixed output level. This fixed level is noticeably lower in volume than variable.
Can the volume of a DD stream be altered? It strikes me that delving
into a DD audio stream; changing the levels of 6 channels, then reconstructing the stream for optical output would not be a trivial
exercise.
Could it be implemented economically and practically on a TV to cope
with huge amount Dolby Digital broadcasts these days?
BBC1 fitba and BBC2 limpics are both DD 3/2/0.1 640 kbps as I type.
BBC1 fitba and BBC2 limpics are both DD 3/2/0.1 640 kbps as I type.
sport == yawn from my POV. :-)
On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 11:13:00 +0000 (GMT), Jim Lesurf
<noise@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:
FWIW despite industry attempts to prevent it you can still buy devices
that will pass though HDMI and strip out a copy of the audio to provide
an optical or coax spdif output. I have a couple that get occasional
use.
I have one I use every day. Mine has RCA phono outputs. It's inserted in
the signal feed after a 5-way HDMI selector switch. You can buy them on Amazon. Search for "HDMI audio extractor"
In article <3oj21h9crck0u62bf2po1ffgo4tebl96bn@4ax.com>, Roderick Stewart ><rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 11:13:00 +0000 (GMT), Jim Lesurf
<noise@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:
FWIW despite industry attempts to prevent it you can still buy devices
that will pass though HDMI and strip out a copy of the audio to provide
an optical or coax spdif output. I have a couple that get occasional
use.
I have one I use every day. Mine has RCA phono outputs. It's inserted in
the signal feed after a 5-way HDMI selector switch. You can buy them on
Amazon. Search for "HDMI audio extractor"
Anyone buying one should note, though, that some may limit their non-HDMI >audio output via spdif to basic sample rate stereo. i.e. prevent extraction
/ capture of high sample rate or surround via coax or optical.
Jim
Maybe so, but 5.1 has become standard for all sports. Not to mention:
The Proms, Vienna Christmas concerts, all movies, most documentaries
and a great deal of drama. Even the We can't show HD in your area
caption is occasionally accompanied by a very well done street scene
with kids playing and dogs barking.
The future is 5.1. Get with it Jim, I'm sure you can find another 3
Quads on eBay , a nice sub-woofer and you will be in audiophile
heaven:-)
Anyone buying one should note, though, that some may limit their
non-HDMI audio output via spdif to basic sample rate stereo. i.e.
prevent extraction / capture of high sample rate or surround via coax
or optical.
Jim
True. Mine has a switch on the front to select different modes, but as
I've never been able to make use of anything other than 2 channel
analogue stereo for a standard hi-fi amplifier, I've just selected the
switch combination that works with all my AV sources. I don't really
know what the other settings do but in my situation it doesn't matter
because what I have sounds absolutely fine to me.
I think 2 channel audio is likely to be a baseline capability that they
all have, and most if not all seem to have either RCA phono outlets or a 3.5mm stereo jack, so should work with standard hi-fi.
The industry has tried to arrange that HDMI -> spdif (coax or optical) >splitters/switches only work for 44.1k/48k stereo output from the spdif.
This is because the vendors of items like Blue Ray discs that offer higher >resolution and surround want that kept behind their paywall.
If that's the case it's effectively pointless. I wonder how many
domestic situations permit the proper placing of six loudspeakers,
how many viewers could sit where they could hear them properly, and
how many of those would appreciate the difference? It's uncommon
enough even to use a two channel stereo system with TV, never mind
six.
On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 16:21:32 +0000 (GMT), Jim Lesurf
<noise@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:
The industry has tried to arrange that HDMI -> spdif (coax or optical) >splitters/switches only work for 44.1k/48k stereo output from the
spdif. This is because the vendors of items like Blue Ray discs that
offer higher resolution and surround want that kept behind their
paywall.
If that's the case it's effectively pointless. I wonder how many
domestic situations permit the proper placing of six loudspeakers, how
many viewers could sit where they could hear them properly, and how many
of those would appreciate the difference? It's uncommon enough even to
use a two channel stereo system with TV, never mind six.
In article <l5c91h58aa77ie8tn6u5tg0oa05gsm5hjq@4ax.com>,
Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
If that's the case it's effectively pointless. I wonder how many
domestic situations permit the proper placing of six loudspeakers,
how many viewers could sit where they could hear them properly, and
how many of those would appreciate the difference? It's uncommon
enough even to use a two channel stereo system with TV, never mind
six.
We have a 5.1 system which we use with a projector and very, very
rarely with a TV. For most purposes a Denon mini stereo system is
really good with the TV which we prefer to soundbars. The Denon isn't
power hungry but the 7 channel power amp is.
However, watching films with just two speakers means the dialogue
centre channel is passed to the front left/right in phantom mode
which we found suffers the problem of either the dialogue is too
quiet or the "effects" are way too loud. In that, a centre speaker is
a big improvement and you can adjust that balance.
What also concerned us was the weight of very low frequency energy
pushed to the main speakers by films. My KEFs were never designed for >earthquake reproduction and they were built more than 40 years ago, I
didn't want to damage them. To protect them we got a sub woofer (BK >monolith). Now, in 5.1 mode everything below 40Hz goes to the house
shaker box and not the KEFs.
When it comes to music. The big KEFs are way better than the mini
system just in stereo and I'm not generally too impressed with 5.1 on
music but I have seen one or two music movies which were
'entertaining' in 5.1.
Bob.
Fair enough, but my pair of Bowers and Wilkins loudspeakers
purchased in 1971 and through which I've played all my music and TV
sound since then, appears to be coping reasonably well.
They're capable of making explosions sound imposing but also
capable of making speech intelligible at low volume levels,
which is one of the reasons I chose them.
If I can't make out what an actor is saying, they're mumbling, so I
switch on the subtitles.
Rod.
On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 16:21:32 +0000 (GMT), Jim Lesurf
<no...@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:
The industry has tried to arrange that HDMI -> spdif (coax or optical) >splitters/switches only work for 44.1k/48k stereo output from the spdif. >This is because the vendors of items like Blue Ray discs that offer higher >resolution and surround want that kept behind their paywall.If that's the case it's effectively pointless. I wonder how many
domestic situations permit the proper placing of six loudspeakers, how
many viewers could sit where they could hear them properly, and how
many of those would appreciate the difference? It's uncommon enough
even to use a two channel stereo system with TV, never mind six.
Rod.
In article <9gp91hd5q0j10jdbmlolgokniot4qrkk3q@4ax.com>,
Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
Fair enough, but my pair of Bowers and Wilkins loudspeakers
purchased in 1971 and through which I've played all my music and TV
sound since then, appears to be coping reasonably well.
Same for my KEFs purchased 1978. I've thrown all sorts at them and
loud and never blown so much as a fuse. I have replaced the
elctrolytics though some years ago and thinking about it, they'll be
due again before long. Capacitor performance goes off slowly and you
don't notice how far things have gone off until you replace them.
They're capable of making explosions sound imposing but also
capable of making speech intelligible at low volume levels,
Yes same here.
which is one of the reasons I chose them.
I purchased my KEFs mostly due to their imaging ability which FOR ME,
remains unsurpassed to this day. Not perfect in other ways like
speed, bextrene cones are very durable but have too much mass. I
doubt I'll ever change them but I was tempted for a while by Blade,
actually I still am but I'm resisting.
If I can't make out what an actor is saying, they're mumbling, so I
switch on the subtitles.
Each to their own.
Bob.
Rod.
I also have KEFs (Chorale IIIs). I remmber reading that the speakers
should be turned upside down from time to time to offset the effects of >gravity.
I also have KEFs (Chorale IIIs). I remmber reading that the
speakers should be turned upside down from time to time to offset
the effects of gravity.
In the half century or so since I purchased
them, gravity has probably had more effect on me than the speakers.
On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 18:16:17 +0100, pinnerite <pinnerite@gmail.com>
wrote:
[...]
I also have KEFs (Chorale IIIs). I remmber reading that the
speakers should be turned upside down from time to time to offset
the effects of gravity.
I haven't needed to do this with my Bowers & Wilkins loudspeakers,
as they're upside down already - the tweeters are at the bottom and
the woofers are at the top.
I haven't needed to do this with my Bowers & Wilkins loudspeakers, as
they're upside down already
I also have KEFs (Chorale IIIs). I remmber reading that the speakers
should be turned upside down from time to time to offset the effects of gravity.
Alan
The advice was not to rotate the entire speaker but only applied to
large heavy drive units which could sag on their suspension and cause
rubbing in the voice coil gap
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