Hi All , I gave my old Android (4.2 Lollipop probably ~10 years old)
tablet to grand children to use hopefully on Netflix.
They find that it can not complete the Netflix password login,
correct password but no handshake, no error message, just reverts to the login page.
Anyone know what the problem might be?
Maybe the O/S and tablet WiFi hardware is just too old? C+
On 18/01/2022 07:46, Charlie+ wrote:
Hi All , I gave my old Android (4.2 Lollipop probably ~10 years old)
tablet to grand children to use hopefully on Netflix.
They find that it can not complete the Netflix password login,
correct password but no handshake, no error message, just reverts to the
login page.
Anyone know what the problem might be?
Maybe the O/S and tablet WiFi hardware is just too old? C+
I have an old tablet which has Android 4.3 (I think; it is the Icecream >version) on it. I found out years ago that the particular tablet
doesn't have a hardware feature that is a mandatory feature for Android
5 and upwards, so I would never be able to update the OS any further.
I am guessing that the Netflix password feature is trying to use the
missing hardware feature (which improved security) and is failing
because of it.
I still use my ancient tablet, but only as an e-book reader.
Jim
Hi All , I gave my old Android (4.2 Lolipop probably ~10 years old)
tablet to grand children to use hopfully on Netflix.
They find that it can not complete the Netflix password login,
correct password but no handshake, no error message, just reverts to the login page.
Anyone know what the problem might be?
Maybe the O/S and tablet WiFi hardware is just too old? C+
On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 08:02:09 +0000, Indy Jess John ><bathwatchdog@OMITTHISgooglemail.com> wrote as underneath :
On 18/01/2022 07:46, Charlie+ wrote:
Hi All , I gave my old Android (4.2 Lollipop probably ~10 years old)
tablet to grand children to use hopefully on Netflix.
They find that it can not complete the Netflix password login,
correct password but no handshake, no error message, just reverts to the >>> login page.
Anyone know what the problem might be?
Maybe the O/S and tablet WiFi hardware is just too old? C+
I have an old tablet which has Android 4.3 (I think; it is the Icecream >>version) on it. I found out years ago that the particular tablet
doesn't have a hardware feature that is a mandatory feature for Android
5 and upwards, so I would never be able to update the OS any further.
I am guessing that the Netflix password feature is trying to use the >>missing hardware feature (which improved security) and is failing
because of it.
I still use my ancient tablet, but only as an e-book reader.
Jim
Hi Jim thanks for the info, yes thought it might be something like that
:( Bin job then. Wasteful... Android seems to be up to about v13 now. C+
Anyone know what the problem might be?
Maybe the O/S and tablet WiFi hardware is just too old? C+
On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 08:16:47 +0000, Charlie+ <charlie@xxx.net> wrote:With you all the way! I'd like to see legislation against it with the
On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 08:02:09 +0000, Indy Jess John >><bathwatchdog@OMITTHISgooglemail.com> wrote as underneath :
On 18/01/2022 07:46, Charlie+ wrote:
Hi All , I gave my old Android (4.2 Lollipop probably ~10 years old)
tablet to grand children to use hopefully on Netflix.
They find that it can not complete the Netflix password login,
correct password but no handshake, no error message, just reverts to the >>>> login page.
Anyone know what the problem might be?
Maybe the O/S and tablet WiFi hardware is just too old? C+
I have an old tablet which has Android 4.3 (I think; it is the Icecream >>>version) on it. I found out years ago that the particular tablet
doesn't have a hardware feature that is a mandatory feature for Android
5 and upwards, so I would never be able to update the OS any further.
I am guessing that the Netflix password feature is trying to use the >>>missing hardware feature (which improved security) and is failing
because of it.
I still use my ancient tablet, but only as an e-book reader.
Jim
Hi Jim thanks for the info, yes thought it might be something like that
:( Bin job then. Wasteful... Android seems to be up to about v13 now. C+
It's forced obsolescence. We're in for a similar story in 2025 when
support for Windows 10 runs out and the world discovers the full
significance of the fact that more than half of all computers will not
run Windows 11. Because Microsoft has decided not to allow it.
For hundreds of millions of computers, many of which will have
potentially many more years of life left in them, the choice will
effectively be Linux or landfill - which do we think is more likely?
Rod.
On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 08:16:47 +0000, Charlie+ <charlie@xxx.net> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 08:02:09 +0000, Indy Jess John
<bathwatchdog@OMITTHISgooglemail.com> wrote as underneath :
On 18/01/2022 07:46, Charlie+ wrote:
Hi All , I gave my old Android (4.2 Lollipop probably ~10 years old)
tablet to grand children to use hopefully on Netflix.
They find that it can not complete the Netflix password login,
correct password but no handshake, no error message, just reverts to the >>>> login page.
Anyone know what the problem might be?
Maybe the O/S and tablet WiFi hardware is just too old? C+
I have an old tablet which has Android 4.3 (I think; it is the Icecream
version) on it. I found out years ago that the particular tablet
doesn't have a hardware feature that is a mandatory feature for Android
5 and upwards, so I would never be able to update the OS any further.
I am guessing that the Netflix password feature is trying to use the
missing hardware feature (which improved security) and is failing
because of it.
I still use my ancient tablet, but only as an e-book reader.
Jim
Hi Jim thanks for the info, yes thought it might be something like that
:( Bin job then. Wasteful... Android seems to be up to about v13 now. C+
It's forced obsolescence. We're in for a similar story in 2025 when
support for Windows 10 runs out and the world discovers the full
significance of the fact that more than half of all computers will not
run Windows 11. Because Microsoft has decided not to allow it.
For hundreds of millions of computers, many of which will have
potentially many more years of life left in them, the choice will
effectively be Linux or landfill - which do we think is more likely?
For hundreds of millions of computers, many of which will have
potentially many more years of life left in them, the choice will
effectively be Linux or landfill - which do we think is more likely?
On 18/01/2022 10:08, Roderick Stewart wrote:
For hundreds of millions of computers, many of which will have
potentially many more years of life left in them, the choice will
effectively be Linux or landfill - which do we think is more likely?
I have not seen anything to suggest that Windows 10 will stopping
working, it will just not get updates.
How much software continues to be updated indefinitely free of charge?
I wonder what proportion of Windows users never bother with updates anyway?
On 18/01/2022 10:08, Roderick Stewart wrote:likely?
For hundreds of millions of computers, many of which will have
potentially many more years of life left in them, the choice will effectively be Linux or landfill - which do we think is more
I have not seen anything to suggest that Windows 10 will stoppingcharge?
working, it will just not get updates.
How much software continues to be updated indefinitely free of
I wonder what proportion of Windows users never bother with updatesanyway?
If you leave Windows 10 alone, it will apply the important system
updates all by itself. You can postpone them, but only for a limited
time. Eventually it will do them regardless, so even the technically
ignorant will always have a reasonably up to date system.
On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 11:18:18 +0000, MB<MB@nospam.net> wrote:
On 18/01/2022 10:08, Roderick Stewart wrote:
likely?For hundreds of millions of computers, many of which will have
potentially many more years of life left in them, the choice will
effectively be Linux or landfill - which do we think is more
I have not seen anything to suggest that Windows 10 will stopping
working, it will just not get updates.
How much software continues to be updated indefinitely free ofcharge?
I wonder what proportion of Windows users never bother with updatesanyway?
I just installed vanilla Windows 7 on a 10 year old Dell laptop and
it worked fine until the HDD failed. No updates (possible) and no
antivirus. Should I replace the HDD for £25 or so? Maybe.
Good question. I've been running Linux Mint for about 6 years, and most
of it would be usable as (and could be made to look like) a Windows
setup. Even updating is easy, and can be automatic. But who would the
average ex-Windows user turn to for support? Unfortunately, most
wouldn't know what a terminal is or how to use it if push came to shove.
On 18/01/2022 10:08, Roderick Stewart wrote:
For hundreds of millions of computers, many of which will have
potentially many more years of life left in them, the choice will effectively be Linux or landfill - which do we think is more likely?
I have not seen anything to suggest that Windows 10 will stopping
working, it will just not get updates.
How much software continues to be updated indefinitely free of charge?
I wonder what proportion of Windows users never bother with updates
anyway?
Given how many people may be affected, maybe there's a business-model in
some people offerring a 'works in a famiiliar way' service that installs a Doze-alike linux setup and helping previously doze-captured people to use
it. If nothing else it might embarass/pressure MS into actually helping people rather than facilitating ripping them off.
On 18/01/2022 13:52, Max Demian wrote:
I just installed vanilla Windows 7 on a 10 year old Dell laptop and
it worked fine until the HDD failed. No updates (possible) and no
antivirus. Should I replace the HDD for £25 or so? Maybe.
I would. Dell laptops last a long time.
Just a tip though - the early Dell laptops used a disc which had an
extended IDE interface (the usual double row if interface pins plus some extra one providing power). You can still get them (I bought a
refurbished one on e-bay when I wanted more disc capacity than was
originally fitted), and I found a compatible one by searching for a disc
for my specific Dell model. You are unlikely to find a 10-year-old Dell
with a SATA drive.
I am a little concerned about no anti-virus unless you are only going to
run it without an internet connection. Avast is free and pretty good,
and it can spot viruses and trojans in incoming e-mails. Kaspersky is a
good free anti-virus but I got really fed up with its constant nagging
after each update to add facilities which are only available in the
paid-for version, though the nagging pop-up doesn't say that.
Hi All , I gave my old Android (4.2 Lolipop probably ~10 years old)
tablet to grand children to use hopfully on Netflix.
They find that it can not complete the Netflix password login,
correct password but no handshake, no error message, just reverts to the login page.
Anyone know what the problem might be?
Maybe the O/S and tablet WiFi hardware is just too old? C+
On 18/01/2022 13:52, Max Demian wrote:and
I just installed vanilla Windows 7 on a 10 year old Dell laptop
someit worked fine until the HDD failed. No updates (possible) and no antivirus. Should I replace the HDD for £25 or so? Maybe.
I would. Dell laptops last a long time.
Just a tip though - the early Dell laptops used a disc which had an
extended IDE interface (the usual double row if interface pins plus
extra one providing power). You can still get them (I bought adisc
refurbished one on e-bay when I wanted more disc capacity than was
originally fitted), and I found a compatible one by searching for a
for my specific Dell model. You are unlikely to find a 10-year-oldDell
with a SATA drive.
I am a little concerned about no anti-virus unless you are onlygoing to
run it without an internet connection. Avast is free and prettygood,
and it can spot viruses and trojans in incoming e-mails. Kasperskyis a
good free anti-virus but I got really fed up with its constantnagging
after each update to add facilities which are only available in the
paid-for version, though the nagging pop-up doesn't say that.
On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 11:18:18 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
On 18/01/2022 10:08, Roderick Stewart wrote:
likely?For hundreds of millions of computers, many of which will have
potentially many more years of life left in them, the choice will
effectively be Linux or landfill - which do we think is more
I have not seen anything to suggest that Windows 10 will stopping
working, it will just not get updates.
How much software continues to be updated indefinitely free ofcharge?
I wonder what proportion of Windows users never bother with updatesanyway?
I just installed vanilla Windows 7 on a 10 year old Dell laptop and it
worked fine until the HDD failed. No updates (possible) and no
antivirus. Should I replace the HDD for £25 or so? Maybe.
Charlie+ <charlie@xxx.net> wrote:
Hi All , I gave my old Android (4.2 Lolipop probably ~10 years old)
tablet to grand children to use hopfully on Netflix.
They find that it can not complete the Netflix password login,
correct password but no handshake, no error message, just reverts to the
login page.
Anyone know what the problem might be?
Maybe the O/S and tablet WiFi hardware is just too old? C+
Does the Play Store still work? (I think it had stopped being 'Android Market'
by then).
If so, try updating to the latest Netflix app. It's possible there may be a >newer one that supports whatever changes Netflix have made to their system.
https://www.apkmirror.com/apk/netflix-inc/netflix/#variants
suggests the most recent build to support Android 4.0 was in 2015, although >that could just be the last time somebody uploaded the apk to their archive.
It seems like everything much more recent is Android 5.0+ only.
One thing you might investigate is whether there's a custom ROM for your >tablet to run a newer Android on it. LineageOS is a good starting point for >custom ROMs, although it depends on your model. Otherwise there might be a >forum on xda-developers for your model with users posting their own custom >ROMs.
Theo
On 18/01/2022 12:25, Jim Lesurf wrote:
Given how many people may be affected, maybe there's a business-model in
some people offerring a 'works in a famiiliar way' service that installs a >> Doze-alike linux setup and helping previously doze-captured people to use
it. If nothing else it might embarass/pressure MS into actually helping
people rather than facilitating ripping them off.
It's a long time since I tried it, but I thought that was the thinking
behind PCLinuxOS?
I just installed vanilla Windows 7 on a 10 year old Dell laptop and
it worked fine until the HDD failed. No updates (possible) and no
antivirus. Should I replace the HDD for £25 or so? Maybe.
Because it is only possible to delay W10 updates and not block them >completely, there is nothing a W10 user can do to prevent MS making W10 >retention difficult and a W11 update necessary.
On 18/01/2022 16:07, Java Jive wrote:
On 18/01/2022 12:25, Jim Lesurf wrote:
Given how many people may be affected, maybe there's a business-model in >>> some people offerring a 'works in a famiiliar way' service that
installs a
Doze-alike linux setup and helping previously doze-captured people to
use
it. If nothing else it might embarass/pressure MS into actually helping
people rather than facilitating ripping them off.
It's a long time since I tried it, but I thought that was the thinking
behind PCLinuxOS?
Underlying the later Apple Mac computers is a Unix core with the Mac
GUI, a combination which was maintained by Apple.
It is difficult to see how PCLinuxOS could continue to look like Windows without Microsoft's co-operation, and why would they do that?
On 19/01/2022 00:11, Indy Jess John wrote:
On 18/01/2022 16:07, Java Jive wrote:
On 18/01/2022 12:25, Jim Lesurf wrote:
Given how many people may be affected, maybe there's a
business-model in
some people offerring a 'works in a famiiliar way' service that
installs a
Doze-alike linux setup and helping previously doze-captured people
to use
it. If nothing else it might embarass/pressure MS into actually helping >>>> people rather than facilitating ripping them off.
It's a long time since I tried it, but I thought that was the thinking
behind PCLinuxOS?
Underlying the later Apple Mac computers is a Unix core with the Mac
GUI, a combination which was maintained by Apple.
It is difficult to see how PCLinuxOS could continue to look like
Windows without Microsoft's co-operation, and why would they do that?
AFAIAA, PCLinuxOS is maintained, like many distros, by volunteers, their problem being to make the 'Look & Feel' like Windows enough to be easy
for Windows users to adapt to, while making it different enough to avoid Microsoft suing.
It's forced obsolescence. We're in for a similar story in 2025 when
support for Windows 10 runs out and the world discovers the full
significance of the fact that more than half of all computers will not
run Windows 11. Because Microsoft has decided not to allow it.
Given how many people may be affected, maybe there's a business-model
in some people offerring a 'works in a famiiliar way' service that
installs a Doze-alike linux setup and helping previously doze-captured people to use it. If nothing else it might embarass/pressure MS into actually helping people rather than facilitating ripping them off.
It's a long time since I tried it, but I thought that was the thinking
behind PCLinuxOS?
On 18/01/2022 16:07, Java Jive wrote:
On 18/01/2022 12:25, Jim Lesurf wrote:
Given how many people may be affected, maybe there's a business-model
in some people offerring a 'works in a famiiliar way' service that
installs a Doze-alike linux setup and helping previously
doze-captured people to use it. If nothing else it might
embarass/pressure MS into actually helping people rather than
facilitating ripping them off.
It's a long time since I tried it, but I thought that was the thinking behind PCLinuxOS?
Underlying the later Apple Mac computers is a Unix core with the Mac
GUI, a combination which was maintained by Apple.
It is difficult to see how PCLinuxOS could continue to look like Windows without Microsoft's co-operation, and why would they do that?
In article <ss6okg$5ok$2@dont-email.me>, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
Given how many people may be affected, maybe there's a business-model
in some people offerring a 'works in a famiiliar way' service that installs a Doze-alike linux setup and helping previously doze-captured people to use it. If nothing else it might embarass/pressure MS into actually helping people rather than facilitating ripping them off.
It's a long time since I tried it, but I thought that was the thinking behind PCLinuxOS?
I can't recall the name(s) but I think there have been attempts in the
past.
I suspect they've tended not to become adopted for a variety of reasons
based largely on people being 'trained' into using Windows and its
standard progs, not educated to be able to use computers. Certainly in
the UK some decades ago arrangements in schools changed when they were
forced to take on governing boards that included local 'promotors' of
Doze PCs
In article <59ad30f4adnoise@audiomisc.co.uk>, Jim Lesurf
<noise@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:
In article <ss6okg$5ok$2@dont-email.me>, Java Jive
<java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
Given how many people may be affected, maybe there's a
business-model in some people offerring a 'works in a famiiliar
way' service that installs a Doze-alike linux setup and helping previously doze-captured people to use it. If nothing else it might embarass/pressure MS into actually helping people rather than facilitating ripping them off.
It's a long time since I tried it, but I thought that was the
thinking behind PCLinuxOS?
I can't recall the name(s) but I think there have been attempts in the past.
I suspect they've tended not to become adopted for a variety of reasons based largely on people being 'trained' into using Windows and its
standard progs, not educated to be able to use computers. Certainly in
the UK some decades ago arrangements in schools changed when they were forced to take on governing boards that included local 'promotors' of
Doze PCs
[Snip] My wife's school went Windows because 'kind' parents passed on
their out of date machines when they re-equipped their offices.
[Snip] My wife's school went Windows because 'kind' parents passed on
their out of date machines when they re-equipped their offices.
I should have said "the school she taught at ...."
It is difficult to see how PCLinuxOS could continue to look like Windows
without Microsoft's co-operation, and why would they do that?
You probably can't make it identical down to all the icons, etc. But can
make it generally behave in the same ways in terms of interface and put the >visual changes into the 'user customised' range.
"Roderick Stewart" <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message news:6q3duglb0afhp3beflfjrfsjge1l2uv0r2@4ax.com...
It's forced obsolescence. We're in for a similar story in 2025 when
support for Windows 10 runs out and the world discovers the full
significance of the fact that more than half of all computers will not
run Windows 11. Because Microsoft has decided not to allow it.
There's a very simple workaround to bypass the "lockout" that
MS have imposed to prevent installation on older hardware.
It installed on a machine from 2010 here without problems.
Driver compatibility remains an issue for some however - that
depends on the specific hardware you're using, and isn't
guaranteed.
[Snip] My wife's school went Windows because 'kind' parents passed on
their out of date machines when they re-equipped their offices.
I should have said "the school she taught at ...."
I think we all assumed you meant the one where she was a cleaner...
On Wed, 19 Jan 2022 19:37:19 +0000, williamwright<wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:
[Snip] My wife's school went Windows because 'kind' parents passed on
their out of date machines when they re-equipped their offices.
I should have said "the school she taught at ...."
I think we all assumed you meant the one where she was a cleaner...
I think you mean a hygiene engineering technician.
What do they call dinner ladies these days?
Prestidigitators? They have to be magicians these days to make
nourishing meals from the paltry "per head" target.
Jim
On 23/01/2022 11:08, Indy Jess John wrote:
Prestidigitators? They have to be magicians these days to make
nourishing meals from the paltry "per head" target.
Jim
No reason why the cost to parents can't be increased. Poor families get
free dinners anyway.
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