We watched a couple of episodes of a new BBC series called "Around The >World in 80 Days" Didn't a bloke called Jules Verne write a book with
the same name and a similar but different story/plot? They used the
same character names and changed the sex of one of the more important
ones, gave him/her a different career thus changing an important element
of the story?
On Wed, 5 Jan 2022 18:22:04 +0000, Torx <torx@torx.org> wrote:
We watched a couple of episodes of a new BBC series called "Around The >>World in 80 Days" Didn't a bloke called Jules Verne write a book with
the same name and a similar but different story/plot? They used the
same character names and changed the sex of one of the more important
ones, gave him/her a different career thus changing an important element
of the story?
From what I've read about this I decided not to bother watching it.
There's also a series in the afternoon called "Father Brown", by
coincidence the same as the name of the central character in some
stories I remember reading by G K Chesterton, but I don't think
Chesterton would recognise any of it.
In message <4c8ctg1uobl0hg4ffqf3khub67ffp2pa48@4ax.com>, Roderick
Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> writes
On Wed, 5 Jan 2022 18:22:04 +0000, Torx <torx@torx.org> wrote:
We watched a couple of episodes of a new BBC series called "Around The >>>World in 80 Days" Didn't a bloke called Jules Verne write a book with >>>the same name and a similar but different story/plot? They used the
same character names and changed the sex of one of the more important >>>ones, gave him/her a different career thus changing an important element >>>of the story?
From what I've read about this I decided not to bother watching it.
I've never read the book or even seen the David Niven film, but I've
been enjoying the new series. Yes, it's nonsense, but entertaining
nonsense. Incidentally, though it's being shown on the BBC, it seems to
be a co-production from a number of European broadcasters, in which the
BBC played only a minor part.
There's also a series in the afternoon called "Father Brown", by >>coincidence the same as the name of the central character in some
stories I remember reading by G K Chesterton, but I don't think
Chesterton would recognise any of it.
I watched the first few episodes in the first series, before giving up.
As you say, the plots and setting bear no relation to Chesterton's
ingenious short stories. It's a pity, as I thought Mark Williams was >excellent as Father Brown.
In message <4c8ctg1uobl0hg4ffqf3khub67ffp2pa48@4ax.com>, Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> writes
On Wed, 5 Jan 2022 18:22:04 +0000, Torx <torx@torx.org> wrote:
We watched a couple of episodes of a new BBC series called "Around The >>>World in 80 Days" Didn't a bloke called Jules Verne write a book with >>>the same name and a similar but different story/plot? They used the
same character names and changed the sex of one of the more important >>>ones, gave him/her a different career thus changing an important element >>>of the story?
From what I've read about this I decided not to bother watching it.
I've never read the book or even seen the David Niven film, but I've been enjoying the new series. Yes, it's nonsense, but entertaining nonsense. Incidentally, though it's being shown on the BBC, it seems to be a co-production from a number of European broadcasters, in which the BBC
played only a minor part.
On Wed, 5 Jan 2022 18:22:04 +0000, Torx <torx@torx.org> wrote:
We watched a couple of episodes of a new BBC series called "Around
The World in 80 Days" Didn't a bloke called Jules Verne write a book
with the same name and a similar but different story/plot? They used
the same character names and changed the sex of one of the more
important ones, gave him/her a different career thus changing an
important element of the story?
From what I've read about this I decided not to bother watching it.
There's also a series in the afternoon called "Father Brown", by
coincidence the same as the name of the central character in some
stories I remember reading by G K Chesterton, but I don't think
Chesterton would recognise any of it.
We watched a couple of episodes of a new BBC series called "Around The World in 80 Days" Didn't a bloke called Jules Verne write a book with
the same name and a similar but different story/plot? They used the
same character names and changed the sex of one of the more important
ones, gave him/her a different career thus changing an important element
of the story?
On 05/01/2022 06:22 pm, Torx wrote:
We watched a couple of episodes of a new BBC series called "Around
The World in 80 Days" Didn't a bloke called Jules Verne write a book
with the same name and a similar but different story/plot? They used
the same character names and changed the sex of one of the more
important ones, gave him/her a different career thus changing an
important element of the story?
Something similar was recently done with an HG Wells book called "The
War of The Worlds".
In message<j3odlvFr1prU2@mid.individual.net>, JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> writes
On 05/01/2022 06:22 pm, Torx wrote:
We watched a couple of episodes of a new BBC series called "Around
The World in 80 Days" Didn't a bloke called Jules Verne write a book
with the same name and a similar but different story/plot? They used
the same character names and changed the sex of one of the more
important ones, gave him/her a different career thus changing an
important element of the story?
Something similar was recently done with an HG Wells book called "The
War of The Worlds".
The big difference being that what they've done with Around the World
has the virtue of being entertaining, whilst their War of the World's
was profoundly depressing. OK, given the context of an alien invasion it
was never going to be a bundle of laughs, but it didn't need to be quite
so unremittingly bleak.
I read the book by John Wyndham "The Day Of The Triffids". As a set of words to spark the imagination it was a well written gripping story.
When it was made into a film, what had been my imagination had turned
into a visual experience with dialogue and sound. It still made a reasonable attempt to portray the events in the book, but the choice of scenery and sound effects accidentally turned the gripping story into a hilarious film. When the entire cinema audience laughed at what in the
book had created tension, the screen writers had very clearly got it wrong.
Also they too obviously felt that they had
to introduce feminine interest for a modern audience, but, with the
exception of Maria in Lieutenant Hornblower (or was it the next one chronologically, 'Hornblower And The Hotspur'?), and Lady Barbara
Wellesley in 'The Happy Return', the end of 'Flying Colours' when she
becomes his second wife, and various mentions later, mostly in
'Hornblower In The West Indies', there is virtually no feminine interest
in the books, yet they're very readable.
On Wed, 5 Jan 2022 18:22:04 +0000, Torx <torx@torx.org> wrote:
We watched a couple of episodes of a new BBC series called "Around The >>World in 80 Days" Didn't a bloke called Jules Verne write a book with
the same name and a similar but different story/plot? They used the
same character names and changed the sex of one of the more important
ones, gave him/her a different career thus changing an important element
of the story?
From what I've read about this I decided not to bother watching it.
There's also a series in the afternoon called "Father Brown", by
coincidence the same as the name of the central character in some
stories I remember reading by G K Chesterton, but I don't think
Chesterton would recognise any of it.
Rod.
On 07/01/2022 00:44, Java Jive wrote:
<snip>
Also they too obviously felt that they had to introduce feminine
interest for a modern audience, but, with the exception of Maria in
Lieutenant Hornblower (or was it the next one chronologically,
'Hornblower And The Hotspur'?), and Lady Barbara Wellesley in 'The
Happy Return', the end of 'Flying Colours' when she becomes his second
wife, and various mentions later, mostly in 'Hornblower In The West
Indies', there is virtually no feminine interest in the books, yet
they're very readable.
He had an affair with the widowed Vicomtesse de Gracay in Flying Colours
and renewed it in Lord Hornblower (when he was thinking about leaving
his wife to live with her in France).
On 07/01/2022 08:12, Robin wrote:
On 07/01/2022 00:44, Java Jive wrote:
<snip>
Also they too obviously felt that they had to introduce feminine
interest for a modern audience, but, with the exception of Maria in
Lieutenant Hornblower (or was it the next one chronologically,
'Hornblower And The Hotspur'?), and Lady Barbara Wellesley in 'The
Happy Return', the end of 'Flying Colours' when she becomes his
second wife, and various mentions later, mostly in 'Hornblower In The
West Indies', there is virtually no feminine interest in the books,
yet they're very readable.
He had an affair with the widowed Vicomtesse de Gracay in Flying
Colours and renewed it in Lord Hornblower (when he was thinking about
leaving his wife to live with her in France).
That's not my recollection of either book, but it was many years ago
since I last read them. My recollection is that in 'Flying Colours' he
had feelings for a woman called Marie, a daughter of the aristocratic
family that had taken them in after their boat went over a waterfall,
but he didn't allow anything much to happen; I don't recall that she was
a widow, but she might have been. In Lord Hornblower, I don't remember
him wishing to leave his wife, by then Lady Barbara Wellesley, but I do remember that in one of the books of that period in his fictional life,
he dines at a Russian banquet, and was put under the 'guidance' of a
Russian duchess. The scene that I remember is that they go into a vast
room where there are all sorts of victuals on offer, he eats his fill,
turns to his companion and says: "I have dined exceedingly well!", she
gives him a funny look, and then they go into another vast hall where
the dining tables are laid out. He'd bloated himself up on the starters!
On 06/01/2022 23:39, Indy Jess John wrote:
I read the book by John Wyndham "The Day Of The Triffids". As a set
of words to spark the imagination it was a well written gripping story.
When it was made into a film, what had been my imagination had turned
into a visual experience with dialogue and sound. It still made a
reasonable attempt to portray the events in the book, but the choice
of scenery and sound effects accidentally turned the gripping story
into a hilarious film. When the entire cinema audience laughed at
what in the book had created tension, the screen writers had very
clearly got it wrong.
Yes, the book was quite good, the film dire.
Another film that made a mess of a book was 'A Town Like Alice', which
missed out literally half of Nevil Shute's original story!
 Also to a
lesser extent another based on another of his novels which explored the phenomenon of metal fatigue; IMS the book was called 'No Highway' but
the film was given another name and starred James Stewart.
On 06/01/2022 16:58, John Hall wrote:
In message<j3odlvFr1prU2@mid.individual.net>, JNugent
<jennings&co@fastmail.fm>Â writes
On 05/01/2022 06:22 pm, Torx wrote:
We watched a couple of episodes of a new BBC series called "Around
The World in 80 Days" Didn't a bloke called Jules Verne write a book >>>> with the same name and a similar but different story/plot? They used >>>> the same character names and changed the sex of one of the more
important ones, gave him/her a different career thus changing an
important element of the story?
Something similar was recently done with an HG Wells book called "The
War of The Worlds".
The big difference being that what they've done with Around the World
has the virtue of being entertaining, whilst their War of the World's
was profoundly depressing. OK, given the context of an alien invasion it
was never going to be a bundle of laughs, but it didn't need to be quite
so unremittingly bleak.
I read the book by John Wyndham "The Day Of The Triffids". As a set of words to spark the imagination it was a well written gripping story.
When it was made into a film, what had been my imagination had turned
into a visual experience with dialogue and sound. It still made a reasonable attempt to portray the events in the book, but the choice of scenery and sound effects accidentally turned the gripping story into a hilarious film. When the entire cinema audience laughed at what in the
book had created tension, the screen writers had very clearly got it wrong.
Also they too obviously felt that they had to introduce feminine
interest for a modern audience, but, with the exception of Maria in
Lieutenant Hornblower (or was it the next one chronologically,
'Hornblower And The Hotspur'?), and Lady Barbara Wellesley in 'The
Happy Return', the end of 'Flying Colours' when she becomes his
second wife, and various mentions later, mostly in 'Hornblower In The
West Indies', there is virtually no feminine interest in the books,
yet they're very readable.
I would nearly always recommend people to read books rather than watch >dramatisations. The pictures (in your own head) tend to be so much
better,
and at least you are guaranteed to stick to the original storyline!
We watched a couple of episodes of a new BBC series called "Around The World in 80 Days" Didn't a bloke called Jules Verne write a book with
the same name and a similar but different story/plot? They used the
same character names and changed the sex of one of the more important
ones, gave him/her a different career thus changing an important element
of the story?
<big snip>
I would nearly always recommend people to read books rather than watch >>dramatisations. The pictures (in your own head) tend to be so much
better,
The pictures in one's head can be very good with radio dramatisations
too. I listened to the radio version of Douglas Adams' "Highthiker's
Guide to the Galaxy" - which of course preceded all the other versions -
and the pictures were far better than in the BBC's subsequent TV
version. Bizarrely, they were so proud of Zaphod Beeblebrox's second
head, made out of rubber or some such material, that ISTR it was even >featured on "Tomorrow's Word". It was terrible, hanging limply on the
actor's shoulder and easily distinguishable from his real head.
Back in the 1970s, BBC Radio also did a superb dramatisation of "Lord of
the Rings", IIRC in 13 one-hour parts. The pictures were better than in
Peter Jackson's films, even though he had a much bigger budget to work
with than BBC TV had had for Hitchhiker. And it was much more faithful
to the books than the films had been, even retaining a lot of the poetry
and songs.
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 18:25:00 +0000, John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk>
wrote:
<big snip>
I would nearly always recommend people to read books rather than watch
dramatisations. The pictures (in your own head) tend to be so much
better,
The pictures in one's head can be very good with radio dramatisations
too. I listened to the radio version of Douglas Adams' "Highthiker's
Guide to the Galaxy" - which of course preceded all the other versions -
and the pictures were far better than in the BBC's subsequent TV
version. Bizarrely, they were so proud of Zaphod Beeblebrox's second
head, made out of rubber or some such material, that ISTR it was even
featured on "Tomorrow's Word". It was terrible, hanging limply on the
actor's shoulder and easily distinguishable from his real head.
Agreed, though I think the BBC visualisation of Marvin the paranoid
android was far better then the one in the movie. I suppose the movie
makers felt obliged to do something different to avoid accusations of plagiarism, but the TV dramatisation had the advantage of being first,
and having got it exactly right, their effort couldn't really be
improved upon.
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