https://rxtvinfo.com/2021/bbc-one-hd-regional-roll-out-timeline
They are doing internet and cable platforms first because they are
easier, and leaving Freesat and Freeview until the end of 2022.
I wonder if it will happen on schedule. ITV did it ages ago. BBC One are >lagging badly behind: it's a shame that they couldn't even transmit
regional BBC One *SD* in the BBC One HD slot which would have allowed a
TV that was tuned to BBC One HD to show the local news *even if it were
in SD*.
Perhaps they've spent all their money on expensive presenters and
executives and have none left to spend on engineering expertise?
On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 00:11:29 +0000, NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:
https://rxtvinfo.com/2021/bbc-one-hd-regional-roll-out-timeline
They are doing internet and cable platforms first because they are
easier, and leaving Freesat and Freeview until the end of 2022.
I wonder if it will happen on schedule. ITV did it ages ago. BBC One are >lagging badly behind: it's a shame that they couldn't even transmit >regional BBC One *SD* in the BBC One HD slot which would have allowed a
TV that was tuned to BBC One HD to show the local news *even if it were
in SD*.
Perhaps they've spent all their money on expensive presenters and
executives and have none left to spend on engineering expertise?
Rod.
On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 00:11:29 +0000, NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:
https://rxtvinfo.com/2021/bbc-one-hd-regional-roll-out-timeline
They are doing internet and cable platforms first because they are
easier, and leaving Freesat and Freeview until the end of 2022.
I wonder if it will happen on schedule. ITV did it ages ago. BBC One are >>lagging badly behind: it's a shame that they couldn't even transmit >>regional BBC One *SD* in the BBC One HD slot which would have allowed a
TV that was tuned to BBC One HD to show the local news *even if it were
in SD*.
Perhaps they've spent all their money on expensive presenters and
executives and have none left to spend on engineering expertise?
In article <tkjtsghcdrnjurti3ml9c62e5ff6md3v6i@4ax.com>,
Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 00:11:29 +0000, NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:
https://rxtvinfo.com/2021/bbc-one-hd-regional-roll-out-timeline
They are doing internet and cable platforms first because they are
easier, and leaving Freesat and Freeview until the end of 2022.
I wonder if it will happen on schedule. ITV did it ages ago. BBC One are
lagging badly behind: it's a shame that they couldn't even transmit
regional BBC One *SD* in the BBC One HD slot which would have allowed a
TV that was tuned to BBC One HD to show the local news *even if it were
in SD*.
Perhaps they've spent all their money on expensive presenters and
executives and have none left to spend on engineering expertise?
Rod.
Do remember that the BBC shut down its Enginering Directorate in the early >'90s. Engineering Information became part of "Libraries". (Well, it had >'information' in its name). Ad, ten transmitters were sold off.
On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 11:16:18 +0000 (GMT), charles
<charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
In article <tkjtsghcdrnjurti3ml9c62e5ff6md3v6i@4ax.com>, Roderick
Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 00:11:29 +0000, NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:
https://rxtvinfo.com/2021/bbc-one-hd-regional-roll-out-timeline
They are doing internet and cable platforms first because they are
easier, and leaving Freesat and Freeview until the end of 2022.
I wonder if it will happen on schedule. ITV did it ages ago. BBC One
are lagging badly behind: it's a shame that they couldn't even
transmit regional BBC One *SD* in the BBC One HD slot which would
have allowed a TV that was tuned to BBC One HD to show the local
news *even if it were in SD*.
Perhaps they've spent all their money on expensive presenters and
executives and have none left to spend on engineering expertise?
Rod.
Do remember that the BBC shut down its Enginering Directorate in the
early '90s. Engineering Information became part of "Libraries". (Well,
it had 'information' in its name). Ad, the transmitters were sold off.
Does the BBC have both a Personnel Department and a Human Resources Department like my former employer had?
On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 00:11:29 +0000, NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:
https://rxtvinfo.com/2021/bbc-one-hd-regional-roll-out-timeline
They are doing internet and cable platforms first because they are
easier, and leaving Freesat and Freeview until the end of 2022.
I wonder if it will happen on schedule. ITV did it ages ago. BBC One are >>lagging badly behind: it's a shame that they couldn't even transmit >>regional BBC One *SD* in the BBC One HD slot which would have allowed a
TV that was tuned to BBC One HD to show the local news *even if it were
in SD*.
Perhaps they've spent all their money on expensive presenters and
executives and have none left to spend on engineering expertise?
Rod.
Does the BBC have both a Personnel Department and a Human Resources Department
like my former employer had?
On 31/12/2021 12:10, Martin wrote:
Does the BBC have both a Personnel Department and a Human Resources
Department
like my former employer had?
It does at the BBC in Birmingham, the Mailbox, which is pretty much all
it does there. A sad decline from the glory days of Pebble Mill, which
is now a school of dentistry.
Does the BBC have both a Personnel Department and a Human Resources
Department
like my former employer had?
It does at the BBC in Birmingham, the Mailbox, which is pretty much
all it does there. A sad decline from the glory days of Pebble Mill,
which is now a school of dentistry.
Don't you mean a School of Dentistry where Pebble Mill used to be? ISTR
they demolished it decades ago?
On 31/12/2021 12:10, Martin wrote:
Does the BBC have both a Personnel Department and a Human Resources Department
like my former employer had?
It does at the BBC in Birmingham, the Mailbox, which is pretty much all
it does there.
A sad decline from the glory days of Pebble Mill, which is now a school
of dentistry.
On 31/12/2021 16:59, Woody wrote:
Does the BBC have both a Personnel Department and a Human Resources
Department
like my former employer had?
It does at the BBC in Birmingham, the Mailbox, which is pretty much
all it does there. A sad decline from the glory days of Pebble Mill,
which is now a school of dentistry.
Don't you mean a School of Dentistry where Pebble Mill used to be? ISTR they demolished it decades ago?
That area of Birmingham was, and still is, known as Pebble Mill. The BBC building was demolished a few years ago and the new building was opened
last year.
https://pebblemillbirmingham.co.uk/
A sad decline from the glory days of Pebble Mill, which is now a schoolSo, I doubt if any of my original installation work is there now,
of dentistry.
In article <j38teaFs18bU2@mid.individual.net>,
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 31/12/2021 17:15, charles wrote:Peggy Wooley aka June Broxham lives just down the road from here.
It's amazing to think the facility only lasted 33 years (1971 to 2004)A sad decline from the glory days of Pebble Mill, which is now a school >>>> of dentistry.So, I doubt if any of my original installation work is there now,
I had a job interview there. They did my hearing test in the studio used
for The Archers
On 31/12/2021 17:15, charles wrote:
A sad decline from the glory days of Pebble Mill, which is now a schoolSo, I doubt if any of my original installation work is there now,
of dentistry.
It's amazing to think the facility only lasted 33 years (1971 to 2004)
I had a job interview there. They did my hearing test in the studio used
for The Archers
On 31/12/2021 18:18, charles wrote:
In article <j38teaFs18bU2@mid.individual.net>,KT24 is the Beverley Hills of the UK
   Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 31/12/2021 17:15, charles wrote:Peggy Wooley aka June Broxham lives just down the road from here.
It's amazing to think the facility only lasted 33 years (1971 to 2004)A sad decline from the glory days of Pebble Mill, which is now aSo, I doubt if any of my original installation work is there now,
school
of dentistry.
I had a job interview there. They did my hearing test in the studio used >>> for The Archers
On 31/12/2021 16:59, Woody wrote:
Does the BBC have both a Personnel Department and a Human Resources
Department
like my former employer had?
It does at the BBC in Birmingham, the Mailbox, which is pretty much
all it does there. A sad decline from the glory days of Pebble Mill,
which is now a school of dentistry.
Don't you mean a School of Dentistry where Pebble Mill used to be?
ISTR they demolished it decades ago?
That area of Birmingham was, and still is, known as Pebble Mill. The BBC building was demolished a few years ago and the new building was opened
last year.
https://pebblemillbirmingham.co.uk/
It still had a Personnel Department when I left.
I was going to say they made a big mistake when they stopped having an engineering arm and contracted out,Who knows what innovations they could hav been licensing out to other broadcasters by now if they had retained it.
As for expensive presenters. I don't really care about the presenter, as long as they are competent to do the job asked of them. If all broadcasters took that stance then the wages paid for the talking heads would drop
anyhow.
After all many people these days seem to be freelance and work for many broadcasters and make adverts as well as voice over training films or whatever. Brian
Over Xmas BBC TV has turned into a classic film channel.
Human Resources <-> Personnel
CEO <-> MD
Information Services <-> Library
Colleague <-> Assistant (*)
On 31/12/2021 12:31, charles wrote:
It still had a Personnel Department when I left.
They seem to change name regularly. I think before we were sold off it had been Human Resources and Human Capital I think but we always made a point
of calling it Personnel because they hated that name!
On 31/12/2021 12:31, charles wrote:
It still had a Personnel Department when I left.
They seem to change name regularly. I think before we were sold off it
had been Human Resources and Human Capital I think but we always made a
point of calling it Personnel because they hated that name!
"NY" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote in message news:...
Human Resources <-> Personnel CEO <-> MD Information Services <->
Library Colleague <-> Assistant (*)
Having said that, I've livened up many a boring and pointless meeting (*)
by playing "bullshit bingo" - counting up the number of bullshit phrases
that each person uses ;-)
(*) "Meeting": "Imprisoning a group of people in a room when they'd much prefer to be doing productive work rather than just taking about work,
which assigns additional tasks to everyone but then keeps them
imprisoned in the meeting so they can't get on with actually doing those tasks." Are you calling me a cynic?
On 31/12/2021 18:40, Mark Carver wrote:
On 31/12/2021 18:18, charles wrote:
In article <j38teaFs18bU2@mid.individual.net>, Mark CarverKT24 is the Beverley Hills of the UK
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 31/12/2021 17:15, charles wrote:Peggy Wooley aka June Broxham lives just down the road from here.
It's amazing to think the facility only lasted 33 years (1971 toA sad decline from the glory days of Pebble Mill, which is now aSo, I doubt if any of my original installation work is there now,
school of dentistry.
2004) I had a job interview there. They did my hearing test in the
studio used for The Archers
I know for a fact that Charles Hope has a gold plated pool surrounded by platinum statuettes of Aphrodite in his back yard.
In article <sqntdl$ds4$1@dont-email.me>, NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
"NY" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote in message news:...
Human Resources <-> Personnel CEO <-> MD Information Services <->
Library Colleague <-> Assistant (*)
Having said that, I've livened up many a boring and pointless meeting (*)
by playing "bullshit bingo" - counting up the number of bullshit phrases
that each person uses ;-)
(*) "Meeting": "Imprisoning a group of people in a room when they'd much
prefer to be doing productive work rather than just taking about work,
which assigns additional tasks to everyone but then keeps them
imprisoned in the meeting so they can't get on with actually doing those
tasks." Are you calling me a cynic?
After the BBC had gone in for internal charging, someone said, at an interdepartmental meeting"Who is paying for me to come to this meeting?"
I had the misfortune in my last job of working for a manager who was a >project- and people-manager but who had no technical knowledge of the
various projects that his team were working on.
After the BBC had gone in for internal charging, someone said, at an interdepartmental meeting"Who is paying for me to come to this meeting?"
When the company that I worked for introduced cost centres, with codes for filling in micro-managing timesheets, there were calls for a special code "Time wasted while I fill in this f*ing form";-)
Colleague <-> Assistant (*)[...]
(*) As in the signs in shops, clearly intended for customers, which say "If >you cannot find what you are looking for, ask a colleague". No, (from the >customer's perspective) they are an assistant. They are only colleagues of >other people who work in the shop, which is not who the signs are directed >at.
Over Xmas BBC TV has turned into a classic film channel.
On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 21:32:57 -0000, "NY"<me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
Colleague<-> Assistant (*)[...]
(*) As in the signs in shops, clearly intended for customers, which say "If >> you cannot find what you are looking for, ask a colleague". No, (from the
customer's perspective) they are an assistant. They are only colleagues of >> other people who work in the shop, which is not who the signs are directed >> at.
Also -
Flight Assistant<-> Air Hostess.
I've always thought that one a particularly sensible verbal
adjustment, and not just because I can't imagine what the old term for
a male one would have been
I have witnessed the reverse being applied. At one job I had, I had to
attend briefing meetings, and the meetings were under the control of the
head of support services. In the beginning, the head was a male, and the >minutes referred to him as "Chairman". Then he moved on and was replaced
by a female. At her first meeting she turned to the secretary taking the >minutes and said in effect: I am the new Chairman. That is my role here.
Do not refer to me as "chairwoman", "chairperson" or worse still as
"chair" which is the furniture I am sitting on. Please ensure that the >minutes refer to me as "Chairman" and we will get along fine.
A rare flash of common sense, I thought.
On 31/12/2021 12:07, Martin wrote:
Over Xmas BBC TV has turned into a classic film channel.
As always there were the classics but also plenty more to watch.
On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 21:32:57 -0000, "NY" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
Colleague <-> Assistant (*)[...]
(*) As in the signs in shops, clearly intended for customers, which say
"If you cannot find what you are looking for, ask a colleague". No,
(from the customer's perspective) they are an assistant. They are only >colleagues of other people who work in the shop, which is not who the
signs are directed at.
Also -
Flight Assistant <-> Air Hostess.
I've always thought that one a particularly sensible verbal adjustment,
and not just because I can't imagine what the old term for a male one
would have been ("Air Host" doesn't sound right at all). Flight
Assistants are the people who assist you during a flight, so it makes
perfect sense.
In article <qlstsg5908haq5smgtq9peu3at3rvi69ve@4ax.com>, Martin ><me@address.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 11:16:18 +0000 (GMT), charles
<charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
In article <tkjtsghcdrnjurti3ml9c62e5ff6md3v6i@4ax.com>, Roderick
Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 00:11:29 +0000, NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:
https://rxtvinfo.com/2021/bbc-one-hd-regional-roll-out-timeline
They are doing internet and cable platforms first because they are
easier, and leaving Freesat and Freeview until the end of 2022.
I wonder if it will happen on schedule. ITV did it ages ago. BBC One
are lagging badly behind: it's a shame that they couldn't even
transmit regional BBC One *SD* in the BBC One HD slot which would
have allowed a TV that was tuned to BBC One HD to show the local
news *even if it were in SD*.
Perhaps they've spent all their money on expensive presenters and
executives and have none left to spend on engineering expertise?
Rod.
Do remember that the BBC shut down its Enginering Directorate in the
early '90s. Engineering Information became part of "Libraries". (Well,
it had 'information' in its name). Ad, the transmitters were sold off.
Does the BBC have both a Personnel Department and a Human Resources
Department like my former employer had?
It still had a Personnel Department when I left.
I don't know about "plenty" but I did (with a some dread of woke
nonsense, rightly as it turned out) watch Hootenanny last night.
I couldn't believe it, I think it was the 3rd song (Gregory Porter)
and it seemed to be a specially written anti-racism song for the
event. Even New Year's eve and these people still have to preach,
preach, preach. Who do they think they're impressing with this
garbage. I've got Gregory Porter albums in my music collection I like
his music but this was awful.
I don't know about "plenty" but I did (with a some dread of woke
nonsense, rightly as it turned out) watch Hootenanny last night.
I couldn't believe it, I think it was the 3rd song (Gregory Porter)
and it seemed to be a specially written anti-racism song for the
event. Even New Year's eve and these people still have to preach,
preach, preach. Who do they think they're impressing with this
garbage. I've got Gregory Porter albums in my music collection I like
his music but this was awful.
By contrast earlier that evening I watched a program recorded from
Sky Arts about the history of Tamla Motown. I was so impressed by
their culture of the time and what they achieved. I'm grateful to
black people for Jazz and Tamla Motown which I still enjoy. That
program increased my respect for black people, the BBC's endless
preaching doesn't, it just nauseates me.
On a positive note about Hootenanny Ruby Turner was awesome and it
was great to see Lulu she was terrific. Ed Sheeran was clearly very
talented but not really my cup of tea.
On 01/01/2022 in message <sqpi3k$l6e$1@dont-email.me> Indy Jess John
wrote:
I have witnessed the reverse being applied. At one job I had, I had to >>attend briefing meetings, and the meetings were under the control of the >>head of support services. In the beginning, the head was a male, and the >>minutes referred to him as "Chairman". Then he moved on and was replaced >>by a female. At her first meeting she turned to the secretary taking the >>minutes and said in effect: I am the new Chairman. That is my role here.
Do not refer to me as "chairwoman", "chairperson" or worse still as
"chair" which is the furniture I am sitting on. Please ensure that the >>minutes refer to me as "Chairman" and we will get along fine.
A rare flash of common sense, I thought.
Absolutely spot on, "chairman" is gender neutral like doctor, nurse,
teacher, dentist, solicitor etc. I think it's only the ignorant who think "chair" is correct - most MPs fall in this category of course :-)
Never liked Gregory Porter, I can't take someone seriously when they
always wear a woolly hat and don't like his singing style.
"Jeff Gaines" <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:xn0ncctbn34bdr3004@news.individual.net...
On 01/01/2022 in message <sqpi3k$l6e$1@dont-email.me> Indy Jess John
wrote:
I have witnessed the reverse being applied. At one job I had, I had to
attend briefing meetings, and the meetings were under the control of the >>> head of support services. In the beginning, the head was a male, and the >>> minutes referred to him as "Chairman". Then he moved on and was replaced >>> by a female. At her first meeting she turned to the secretary taking the >>> minutes and said in effect: I am the new Chairman. That is my role here. >>> Do not refer to me as "chairwoman", "chairperson" or worse still as
"chair" which is the furniture I am sitting on. Please ensure that the
minutes refer to me as "Chairman" and we will get along fine.
A rare flash of common sense, I thought.
Absolutely spot on, "chairman" is gender neutral like doctor, nurse,
teacher, dentist, solicitor etc. I think it's only the ignorant who think
"chair" is correct - most MPs fall in this category of course :-)
Yes, the people who don't realise that the "man" in "chairman", "spaceman", "fireman" is being used to mean "human" or "person", not to mean "male as opposed to female".
Absolutely spot on, "chairman" is gender neutral like doctor, nurse,
teacher, dentist, solicitor etc. I think it's only the ignorant who
think
"chair" is correct - most MPs fall in this category of course :-)
Yes, the people who don't realise that the "man" in "chairman",
"spaceman",
"fireman" is being used to mean "human" or "person", not to mean "male as
opposed to female".
Just be glad we don’t have gendered nouns, especially three flavours thereof.
Never liked Gregory Porter, I can't take someone seriously when
they always wear a woolly hat and don't like his singing style.
You can't have the June 2020 Album 'All Rise' because, 'Mister
Holland' is from that:-
https://www.songfacts.com/facts/gregory-porter/mister-holland
Do you actually like anything ?!!!
https://rxtvinfo.com/2021/bbc-one-hd-regional-roll-out-timeline
it's a shame that they couldn't even transmit
regional BBC One *SD* in the BBC One HD slot which would have allowed a
TV that was tuned to BBC One HD to show the local news *even if it were
in SD*.
On 31/12/2021 00:11, NY wrote:
https://rxtvinfo.com/2021/bbc-one-hd-regional-roll-out-timeline
it's a shame that they couldn't even transmit regional BBC One *SD* in
the BBC One HD slot which would have allowed a TV that was tuned to BBC
One HD to show the local news *even if it were in SD*.
What, all the regions at once?
"Chris Youlden" <fbx@youlden.co.uk> wrote in message news:sqskkq$qup$1@dont-email.me...
On 31/12/2021 00:11, NY wrote:
https://rxtvinfo.com/2021/bbc-one-hd-regional-roll-out-timeline
it's a shame that they couldn't even transmit regional BBC One *SD*
in the BBC One HD slot which would have allowed a TV that was tuned
to BBC One HD to show the local news *even if it were in SD*.
What, all the regions at once?
That is the nub of the problem. They don't have the same topology for
HD as for SD so whereas they can make a separate version of BBC One
SDÂ (*) for each region to feed to its transmitters, they can't do
this for BBC One HD. Unpicking that problem will not be trivial, but I
admire their tenacity in trying to do so. I'm not sure why they chose
to route HD as they do, when ITV has got it right: both for regional
news and for regional adverts.
On 01/01/2022 14:17, MB wrote:
Do you actually like anything ?!!!
Never liked Gregory Porter, I can't take someone seriously when they
always wear a woolly hat and don't like his singing style.
On 02/01/2022 17:08, NY wrote:
"Chris Youlden" <fbx@youlden.co.uk> wrote in messageI've explained countless times in detail what the differences are between
news:sqskkq$qup$1@dont-email.me...
On 31/12/2021 00:11, NY wrote:
https://rxtvinfo.com/2021/bbc-one-hd-regional-roll-out-timeline
it's a shame that they couldn't even transmit regional BBC One *SD* in >>>> the BBC One HD slot which would have allowed a TV that was tuned to BBC >>>> One HD to show the local news *even if it were in SD*.
What, all the regions at once?
That is the nub of the problem. They don't have the same topology for HD
as for SD so whereas they can make a separate version of BBC One SD (*)
for each region to feed to its transmitters, they can't do this for BBC
One HD. Unpicking that problem will not be trivial, but I admire their
tenacity in trying to do so. I'm not sure why they chose to route HD as
they do, when ITV has got it right: both for regional news and for
regional adverts.
BBC SD, BBC HD, and ITV distribution, and why things are like they are,
and what's required to bring BBC (and ITV) HD to the same level . I'm not doing it again, if you can be bothered to find it, it'll be immortalised
on Goggle Groups.
Never liked Gregory Porter, I can't take someone seriously when they
always wear a woolly hat and don't like his singing style.
I believe the hat is to conceal the result of some medical
incident or condition. Not really my kind of music either.
I've explained countless times in detail what the differences are
between BBC SD, BBC HD, and ITV distribution, and why things are like
they are, and what's required to bring BBC (and ITV) HD to the same
level . I'm not doing it again, if you can be bothered to find it, it'll
be immortalised on Goggle Groups.
In article <j3e5c0Fs1g8U1@mid.individual.net>, Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
I've explained countless times in detail what the differences are
between BBC SD, BBC HD, and ITV distribution, and why things are like
they are, and what's required to bring BBC (and ITV) HD to the same
level . I'm not doing it again, if you can be bothered to find it, it'll
be immortalised on Goggle Groups.
TBH Mark, on more than one occasion reading your informative explanations
I'd wished that they could be put together on a webpage or two as a
central
source we could go to. Does anything like that already exist?
I did build something similar about the details of NICAM, etc, when fed by those involved. This has since been useful as a reference on a number of occasions and avoids people having to re-explain.
"Jim Lesurf" <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote in message news:59a5f9cf05noise@audiomisc.co.uk...
In article <j3e5c0Fs1g8U1@mid.individual.net>, Mark Carver
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
I've explained countless times in detail what the differences are
between BBC SD, BBC HD, and ITV distribution, and why things are like
they are, and what's required to bring BBC (and ITV) HD to the same
level . I'm not doing it again, if you can be bothered to find it,
it'll
be immortalised on Goggle Groups.
TBH Mark, on more than one occasion reading your informative
explanations
I'd wished that they could be put together on a webpage or two as a
central
source we could go to. Does anything like that already exist?
I did build something similar about the details of NICAM, etc, when
fed by
those involved. This has since been useful as a reference on a number of
occasions and avoids people having to re-explain.
That would be very useful. Particularly to explain why BBC initially implemented HD using a different topology to SD, which has made it
very difficult up to now for them to have HD regional news to the same
extent as for SD, and what they are doing about reversing the problem
- which may or may not be to implement an HD topology and signal flow
which is more similar to that for SD.
I can see that there is the extra complication for terrestrial thatNo, currently I think STV West, HTV Wales (? not sure) Ulster, Granada,
BBC One and Two HD are combined with non-BBC ITV, CH4 and Five
channels to form the PSB3 mux. But there are regional versions of
this, because ITV HD is regional. Are there as many ITV HD regions on terrestrial as there are on ITV SD?
Are regional BBC news studios fitted with HD cameras yet, in
anticipation of regional BBC One HD?
Was BBC One HD originally envisioned as not being regional, with
regional news only on BBC One SD, and now BBC are facing calls for
regional HD. Or was regional HD part of the plan all along but it's
taken them a lot longer to implement it than ITV?
How much spare transponder space is there on satellite, to accommodate regional BBC One HD in the same way as there are some (*) ITV HD regions?
Are regional BBC news studios fitted with HD cameras yet, in anticipation
of regional BBC One HD?
It's not just the cameras that need upgrading, it's the vision mixer,
station router, graphics engines, servers, etc etc
All of the ITV regions except for Border:Scotland and Channel TV are available on satellite in HD.
However, in order to accommodate their regions in HD, they've reduced the number of regions in SD via satellite.
"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:j3llmfFashdU1@mid.individual.net...The HD bit is also part of the production workflow/topology, they are
Are regional BBC news studios fitted with HD cameras yet, in
anticipation of regional BBC One HD?
It's not just the cameras that need upgrading, it's the vision mixer,
station router, graphics engines, servers, etc etc
Sorry. When I said "HD cameras" I really meant to include equipment
such as vision mixers, servers etc.
I suppose there is no absolute requirement for studios to go HD at the
same time as broadcast workflow/topology,
as long as they have the means of upscaling SD to HD (if broadcast
equipment is upgraded before studio equipment). Once the cameras (etc)
have been upgraded, they'll "always" need a means of downscaling from
HD cameras to provide a parallel SD feed - for as long as SD lasts.
It's a shame that when DVB-T2/HD standards were first proposed they
didn't include a technical capability for a studio to send a signal to HD-compatible TVs and PVRs to tell them to retune to SD for the local
news and other opt-outs, and then to tune back to HD afterwards -
assuming that was made part of the standard at both the broadcast and receiver ends. That would have got round the need to transmit loads of different regional variations on satellite for the sake of little more
than half an hour a day of local news. Or am I being facetious? ;-)
On 05/01/2022 14:46, NY wrote:
"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in messageThe HD bit is also part of the production workflow/topology, they are
news:j3llmfFashdU1@mid.individual.net...
Are regional BBC news studios fitted with HD cameras yet, in
anticipation of regional BBC One HD?
It's not just the cameras that need upgrading, it's the vision mixer,
station router, graphics engines, servers, etc etc
Sorry. When I said "HD cameras" I really meant to include equipment
such as vision mixers, servers etc.
I suppose there is no absolute requirement for studios to go HD at the
same time as broadcast workflow/topology,
wrapped up together
as long as they have the means of upscaling SD to HD (if broadcast
equipment is upgraded before studio equipment). Once the cameras (etc)
have been upgraded, they'll "always" need a means of downscaling from
HD cameras to provide a parallel SD feed - for as long as SD lasts.
Well right now (and since June) all the existing SD BBC regions are
being upscaled to HD, and fed to the mux centre. Also the physical
location of the opt switch has moved there too, rather than BBC 1
network being 'tromboned' through each region 24/7.
It's a shame that when DVB-T2/HD standards were first proposed they
didn't include a technical capability for a studio to send a signal to
HD-compatible TVs and PVRs to tell them to retune to SD for the local
news and other opt-outs, and then to tune back to HD afterwards -
assuming that was made part of the standard at both the broadcast and
receiver ends. That would have got round the need to transmit loads of
different regional variations on satellite for the sake of little more
than half an hour a day of local news. Or am I being facetious? ;-)
No, and DVB standards do allow for such switching. The Germans use it I think. However the UK broadcasters did trials and concluded there was
too much of a 'clunk' when it switched streams. It's about the same sort
of 'clunk' you get changing channel manually with your remote, like for instance from BBC 1 HD to BBC 1 SD when the local news comes along. Just Saying.
"Jim Lesurf" <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote in message news:59a5f9cf05noise@audiomisc.co.uk...
In article <j3e5c0Fs1g8U1@mid.individual.net>, Mark Carver
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Are regional BBC news studios fitted with HD cameras yet, in
anticipation of regional BBC One HD?
Was BBC One HD originally envisioned as not being regional, with
regional news only on BBC One SD, and now BBC are facing calls for
regional HD. Or was regional HD part of the plan all along but it's
taken them a lot longer to implement it than ITV?
How much spare transponder space is there on satellite, to accommodate regional BBC One HD in the same way as there are some (*) ITV HD regions?
(*)Â Though I believe fewer than for ITV HD terrestrial.
On 05/01/2022 13:17, NY wrote:
"Jim Lesurf" <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote in message
That would be very useful. Particularly to explain why BBC initially implemented HD using a different topology to SD, which has made it
very difficult up to now for them to have HD regional news to the same extent as for SD, and what they are doing about reversing the problem
- which may or may not be to implement an HD topology and signal flow
which is more similar to that for SD.
It's a good idea actually. I'll dig out what I've written and stick it
as a text file on my webspace
In article <j3llmfFashdU1@mid.individual.net>, Mark Carver
It's a good idea actually. I'll dig out what I've written and stick itDo you also have any related old photos or documents that could also be
as a text file on my webspace
used? if so, I could perhaps put the results together as an illustrated webpage (or two) sometime.
On 31/12/2021 22:12, charles wrote:
After the BBC had gone in for internal charging, someone said, at an
interdepartmental meeting"Who is paying for me to come to this
meeting?"
There were lots of stories of the lunacy of "internal charging" like
people going out to buy a record because it was cheaper than paying for
the use of the Record Library (or whatever they called it). But it was
like religion, you could argue with the true believers.
I remember for years we were not charged for stationery because it had
been calculated that it cost more to administrate a charging system than
the items cost. But it was contracted out with many of the items not in
the supplier's catalogue, I think that like most of that type of company
they sent everything out by expensive courier services. For basic items
I would just go into the local John Menzies and use the universal
currency to cover my costs - stamps from the stamp box!
There were lots of stories of the lunacy of "internal charging" like
people going out to buy a record because it was cheaper than paying for
the use of the Record Library (or whatever they called it). But it was
like religion, you could argue with the true believers.
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