• Re: OT: GDPR and Zoom

    From Tweed@21:1/5 to Scott on Thu Dec 30 20:13:10 2021
    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    I keep being told that events on Zoom cannot be recorded because of
    the GDPR, unless every participant agrees. I am wondering about this.
    If you record the speaker only (with consent) and no interventions
    take place (because everyone is muted), would it be possible to
    extract the names of all the participants from the recording? If not,
    I cannot see why their consent would be needed.


    https://www.blbsolicitors.co.uk/blog/ensuring-video-conferencing-is-gdpr-compliant/

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 30 19:59:48 2021
    I keep being told that events on Zoom cannot be recorded because of
    the GDPR, unless every participant agrees. I am wondering about this.
    If you record the speaker only (with consent) and no interventions
    take place (because everyone is muted), would it be possible to
    extract the names of all the participants from the recording? If not,
    I cannot see why their consent would be needed.

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to usenet.tweed@gmail.com on Thu Dec 30 21:15:17 2021
    On Thu, 30 Dec 2021 20:13:10 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
    <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    I keep being told that events on Zoom cannot be recorded because of
    the GDPR, unless every participant agrees. I am wondering about this.
    If you record the speaker only (with consent) and no interventions
    take place (because everyone is muted), would it be possible to
    extract the names of all the participants from the recording? If not,
    I cannot see why their consent would be needed.
    https://www.blbsolicitors.co.uk/blog/ensuring-video-conferencing-is-gdpr-compliant/

    Thanks for that but I am really questioning whether the audience are 'participants' if they are muted and off screen. If the main speaker
    is recorded (with consent) does the Zoom recording then contain any
    recoverable data - images or participant names - of anyone else?

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to Scott on Thu Dec 30 21:26:35 2021
    In article <768ssg93ma1ovf0aa2tj8l1c00834jio62@4ax.com>,
    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Dec 2021 20:13:10 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
    <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    I keep being told that events on Zoom cannot be recorded because of
    the GDPR, unless every participant agrees. I am wondering about this.
    If you record the speaker only (with consent) and no interventions
    take place (because everyone is muted), would it be possible to
    extract the names of all the participants from the recording? If not,
    I cannot see why their consent would be needed.
    https://www.blbsolicitors.co.uk/blog/ensuring-video-conferencing-is-gdpr-compliant/

    Thanks for that but I am really questioning whether the audience are 'participants' if they are muted and off screen. If the main speaker
    is recorded (with consent) does the Zoom recording then contain any recoverable data - images or participant names - of anyone else?

    probably their email addresses.

    --
    from KT24 in Surrey, England
    "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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  • From Pamela@21:1/5 to Scott on Thu Dec 30 21:29:29 2021
    On 21:15 30 Dec 2021, Scott said:
    On Thu, 30 Dec 2021 20:13:10 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
    <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:


    I keep being told that events on Zoom cannot be recorded because
    of the GDPR, unless every participant agrees. I am wondering
    about this. If you record the speaker only (with consent) and no
    interventions take place (because everyone is muted), would it be
    possible to extract the names of all the participants from the
    recording? If not, I cannot see why their consent would be
    needed.

    https://www.blbsolicitors.co.uk/blog/ensuring-video-conferencing-is-g >>dpr-compliant/

    Thanks for that but I am really questioning whether the audience are 'participants' if they are muted and off screen. If the main
    speaker is recorded (with consent) does the Zoom recording then
    contain any recoverable data - images or participant names - of
    anyone else?

    Maybe you can view the situation from the other end.

    As I understand it (IANAL) the GDPR does not apply to individuals
    collecting data for personal use, including a Zoom conference.

    On the other hand, there may be another regulation which prohibits
    recording such as copyright or who knows what.

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to Scott on Fri Dec 31 14:59:01 2021
    On 30/12/2021 19:59, Scott wrote:

    I keep being told that events on Zoom cannot be recorded because of
    the GDPR, unless every participant agrees. I am wondering about this.
    If you record the speaker only (with consent) and no interventions
    take place (because everyone is muted), would it be possible to
    extract the names of all the participants from the recording? If not,
    I cannot see why their consent would be needed.

    Since we are all allowed to record any conversation we have with anyone (provided we are present) and don't have to tell them we are recording
    them, never mind ask their permission, how is it any different on some
    fancy Zoom thing?

    The only exceptions I can think are in a court of law.

    Our rights are ours, not given to us by the authorities.

    --
    Max Demian

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to Max Demian on Fri Dec 31 15:22:19 2021
    In article <jM-dnVYBt58gh1L8nZ2dnUU78TvNnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>,
    Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
    On 30/12/2021 19:59, Scott wrote:

    I keep being told that events on Zoom cannot be recorded because of
    the GDPR, unless every participant agrees. I am wondering about this.
    If you record the speaker only (with consent) and no interventions
    take place (because everyone is muted), would it be possible to
    extract the names of all the participants from the recording? If not,
    I cannot see why their consent would be needed.

    Since we are all allowed to record any conversation we have with anyone (provided we are present) and don't have to tell them we are recording
    them, never mind ask their permission, how is it any different on some
    fancy Zoom thing?

    The only exceptions I can think are in a court of law.

    Our rights are ours, not given to us by the authorities.

    Most 'rights' are given by Parliament.

    Remember, Zoom is American where the courts (or at least the juries) seem
    not to be on the side of big business.

    --
    from KT24 in Surrey, England
    "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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  • From Jim Lesurf@21:1/5 to max_demian@bigfoot.com on Fri Dec 31 15:33:02 2021
    In article <jM-dnVYBt58gh1L8nZ2dnUU78TvNnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, Max
    Demian
    <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
    On 30/12/2021 19:59, Scott wrote:

    I keep being told that events on Zoom cannot be recorded because of
    the GDPR, unless every participant agrees. I am wondering about this.
    If you record the speaker only (with consent) and no interventions
    take place (because everyone is muted), would it be possible to
    extract the names of all the participants from the recording? If not,
    I cannot see why their consent would be needed.

    Since we are all allowed to record any conversation we have with anyone (provided we are present) and don't have to tell them we are recording
    them, never mind ask their permission, how is it any different on some
    fancy Zoom thing?

    What 'rights' do you then have wrt using the recording you made of a "conversation with anyone" without their permission?

    The only exceptions I can think are in a court of law.

    Our rights are ours, not given to us by the authorities.

    Erm, legally, our 'rights' are what we have under the law of where we are.
    And I assume both the 'authorities' and these laws vary from country to country. However...

    Does not someone who was recorded without their permission also have some 'rights' wrt what use you then can make of the recording, or who you allow
    to see/hear it?

    I'm asking because I don't know. But I'd have assumed the person recorded without their permission *also* has some relevant 'rights' here.

    Jim

    --
    Please use the address on the audiomisc page if you wish to email me. Electronics https://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scots_Guide/intro/electron.htm
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    Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html

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  • From R. Mark Clayton@21:1/5 to Scott on Fri Dec 31 08:08:56 2021
    On Thursday, 30 December 2021 at 19:59:51 UTC, Scott wrote:
    I keep being told that events on Zoom cannot be recorded because of
    the GDPR, unless every participant agrees. I am wondering about this.
    If you record the speaker only (with consent) and no interventions
    take place (because everyone is muted), would it be possible to
    extract the names of all the participants from the recording? If not,
    I cannot see why their consent would be needed.

    Rascals have always cited DPA and now GDPR for over zealousness.

    Obviously everyone knows they will be on the zoom call and you just make it a condition of joining that if you do you may be recorded.

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to charles on Fri Dec 31 17:01:00 2021
    On 31/12/2021 15:22, charles wrote:
    In article <jM-dnVYBt58gh1L8nZ2dnUU78TvNnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>,
    Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
    On 30/12/2021 19:59, Scott wrote:

    I keep being told that events on Zoom cannot be recorded because of
    the GDPR, unless every participant agrees. I am wondering about this.
    If you record the speaker only (with consent) and no interventions
    take place (because everyone is muted), would it be possible to
    extract the names of all the participants from the recording? If not,
    I cannot see why their consent would be needed.

    Since we are all allowed to record any conversation we have with anyone
    (provided we are present) and don't have to tell them we are recording
    them, never mind ask their permission, how is it any different on some
    fancy Zoom thing?

    The only exceptions I can think are in a court of law.

    Our rights are ours, not given to us by the authorities.

    Most 'rights' are given by Parliament.

    No, they are taken away.

    --
    Max Demian

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to Jim Lesurf on Fri Dec 31 17:02:38 2021
    On 31/12/2021 15:33, Jim Lesurf wrote:
    In article <jM-dnVYBt58gh1L8nZ2dnUU78TvNnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, Max
    Demian
    <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
    On 30/12/2021 19:59, Scott wrote:

    I keep being told that events on Zoom cannot be recorded because of
    the GDPR, unless every participant agrees. I am wondering about this.
    If you record the speaker only (with consent) and no interventions
    take place (because everyone is muted), would it be possible to
    extract the names of all the participants from the recording? If not,
    I cannot see why their consent would be needed.

    Since we are all allowed to record any conversation we have with anyone
    (provided we are present) and don't have to tell them we are recording
    them, never mind ask their permission, how is it any different on some
    fancy Zoom thing?

    What 'rights' do you then have wrt using the recording you made of a "conversation with anyone" without their permission?

    The only exceptions I can think are in a court of law.

    Our rights are ours, not given to us by the authorities.

    Erm, legally, our 'rights' are what we have under the law of where we are. And I assume both the 'authorities' and these laws vary from country to country. However...

    Does not someone who was recorded without their permission also have some 'rights' wrt what use you then can make of the recording, or who you allow
    to see/hear it?

    I'm asking because I don't know. But I'd have assumed the person recorded without their permission *also* has some relevant 'rights' here.

    I "record" every word in my memory.

    I can recall, and tell, everything I hear to anyone.

    --
    Max Demian

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  • From Jim Lesurf@21:1/5 to max_demian@bigfoot.com on Fri Dec 31 17:31:22 2021
    In article <0dadnRaOQ8IqqlL8nZ2dnUU78YOdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, Max
    Demian
    <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
    Erm, legally, our 'rights' are what we have under the law of where we
    are. And I assume both the 'authorities' and these laws vary from
    country to country. However...

    Does not someone who was recorded without their permission also have
    some 'rights' wrt what use you then can make of the recording, or who
    you allow to see/hear it?

    I'm asking because I don't know. But I'd have assumed the person
    recorded without their permission *also* has some relevant 'rights'
    here.

    I "record" every word in my memory.

    I can recall, and tell, everything I hear to anyone.

    Someone 'can' also exceed the speed limit if you decide to drive fast
    enough to do so. But being able to do something doesn't ensure they won't
    then fall foul of the law and end up being found guilty as a result,
    possibly leading to punishment. So, alas, your assertions don't really
    answer my questions.

    Jim

    --
    Please use the address on the audiomisc page if you wish to email me. Electronics https://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scots_Guide/intro/electron.htm
    biog http://jcgl.orpheusweb.co.uk/history/ups_and_downs.html
    Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html

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