• strange fire effect

    From Tweed@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 18 15:57:50 2021
    Sky offer a video of a log fire as a download. For a bit of fun I
    downloaded it and set it running. Now both my wife and I feel warmer and I
    can actually feel warmth on my face from this virtual fire. Strange thing
    the human mind.

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to Tweed on Sat Dec 18 16:38:32 2021
    In article <spl0du$imc$1@dont-email.me>,
    Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
    Sky offer a video of a log fire as a download. For a bit of fun I
    downloaded it and set it running. Now both my wife and I feel warmer and I can actually feel warmth on my face from this virtual fire. Strange thing
    the human mind.

    We used to have the Potter's Wheel

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  • From John Hall@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 18 18:36:09 2021
    In message <spl0du$imc$1@dont-email.me>, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com>
    writes
    Sky offer a video of a log fire as a download. For a bit of fun I
    downloaded it and set it running. Now both my wife and I feel warmer and I >can actually feel warmth on my face from this virtual fire. Strange thing
    the human mind.


    The one that puzzles me is why the sound of a tap running makes me want
    to urinate.
    --
    John Hall
    "Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
    But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
    Ogden Nash (1902-1971)

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to John Hall on Sat Dec 18 20:07:29 2021
    In article <e5O0CACZoivhFwmW@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk>,
    John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
    In message <spl0du$imc$1@dont-email.me>, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> writes
    Sky offer a video of a log fire as a download. For a bit of fun I >downloaded it and set it running. Now both my wife and I feel warmer and I >can actually feel warmth on my face from this virtual fire. Strange thing >the human mind.


    The one that puzzles me is why the sound of a tap running makes me want
    to urinate.


    It isn't just you. It's a well known effect. When the BBC built TV Centre
    in the 1960s, there was a fountain in the centre of the ring. If that was running, people in offices overlooking it, found the same effect. In the interests of getting work done, it was turned off. It also leaked into the basement video tape area.

    --
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  • From Indy Jess John@21:1/5 to Tweed on Sat Dec 18 21:23:51 2021
    On 18/12/2021 15:57, Tweed wrote:
    Sky offer a video of a log fire as a download. For a bit of fun I
    downloaded it and set it running. Now both my wife and I feel warmer and I can actually feel warmth on my face from this virtual fire. Strange thing
    the human mind.

    Similarly, the conventional fluorescent tube looks pale green if you
    take a photo in a daylight lit area with a fluorescent lamp in the
    distant background. When you go into the area lit by the fluorescent
    lamp, a piece of white paper still looks white rather than pale green.

    Jim

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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to Tweed on Sun Dec 19 11:21:57 2021
    Yes On the Amazon Echo there is also a streaming fire in the sleep sounds skill. I swear I can smell the smoke.
    Brian

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    "Tweed" <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote in message news:spl0du$imc$1@dont-email.me...
    Sky offer a video of a log fire as a download. For a bit of fun I
    downloaded it and set it running. Now both my wife and I feel warmer and I can actually feel warmth on my face from this virtual fire. Strange thing
    the human mind.


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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to Indy Jess John on Sun Dec 19 11:27:17 2021
    On 18/12/2021 21:23, Indy Jess John wrote:
    On 18/12/2021 15:57, Tweed wrote:
    Sky offer a video of a log fire as a download. For a bit of fun I
    downloaded it and set it running. Now both my wife and I feel warmer
    and I
    can actually feel warmth on my face from this virtual fire. Strange thing
    the human mind.

    Similarly, the conventional fluorescent tube looks pale green if you
    take a photo in a daylight lit area with a fluorescent lamp in the
    distant background.

    With film camera? Due to the chemistry of the emulsion, mainly, and the
    lack of any colour correction. And incandescent lamps make the image
    look orange.

      When you go into the area lit by the fluorescent
    lamp, a piece of white paper still looks white rather than pale green.

    Camera or mk. 1 eyeball?

    Our vision has a clever system of colour correction. As do digital cameras.

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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to charles on Sun Dec 19 11:29:22 2021
    I used to have a betamax video of the potters wheel and the windmill.
    However the windmill was not so good as it could be seen to jump due to the changes in the clouds positions when it restarted.
    Does anyone remember that optical illusion one where you could imagine a rectangular frame rotating in any direction you liked, sometimes it looked
    like it swapped direction half way around. It was caused I believe due to
    the lack of 3D vision on tv, vs and different viewpoints of the yees if it
    were in real life.



    Who also remembers the start up sequences of the ITV regions as when they
    had non 24 hour programs some were quite intricate, while others were naff, Remember the Angrier one with its terrible little model knight with a flag?
    Brian

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    "charles" <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote in message news:599cd71765charles@candehope.me.uk...
    In article <spl0du$imc$1@dont-email.me>,
    Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
    Sky offer a video of a log fire as a download. For a bit of fun I
    downloaded it and set it running. Now both my wife and I feel warmer and
    I
    can actually feel warmth on my face from this virtual fire. Strange thing
    the human mind.

    We used to have the Potter's Wheel

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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to John Hall on Sun Dec 19 11:32:47 2021
    Babbling book does the same to me.
    I think this is the prioritisation of the inputs to the brain. Anything
    that suggests something can alter in what priority you feel things.

    Pain is often not felt until a lot later on if you get injured as natural selection prioitises the getting to a safe place before you are debilitated
    by the pain.
    Brian

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    "John Hall" <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote in message news:e5O0CACZoivhFwmW@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk...
    In message <spl0du$imc$1@dont-email.me>, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> writes
    Sky offer a video of a log fire as a download. For a bit of fun I >>downloaded it and set it running. Now both my wife and I feel warmer and I >>can actually feel warmth on my face from this virtual fire. Strange thing >>the human mind.


    The one that puzzles me is why the sound of a tap running makes me want to urinate.
    --
    John Hall
    "Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
    But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
    Ogden Nash (1902-1971)

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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to charles on Sun Dec 19 11:35:40 2021
    Yes it was after a while only run on special occasions and for a limited period. I never saw it running when I visited. One might have thought that
    the leak issue would have been fixed at build time. In my view that building should have been listed for posterity, but then it was fairly modern and perhaps not built to the most exacting standards!
    Brian

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    "charles" <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote in message news:599cea387fcharles@candehope.me.uk...
    In article <e5O0CACZoivhFwmW@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk>,
    John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
    In message <spl0du$imc$1@dont-email.me>, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com>
    writes
    Sky offer a video of a log fire as a download. For a bit of fun I
    downloaded it and set it running. Now both my wife and I feel warmer and
    I
    can actually feel warmth on my face from this virtual fire. Strange
    thing
    the human mind.


    The one that puzzles me is why the sound of a tap running makes me want
    to urinate.


    It isn't just you. It's a well known effect. When the BBC built TV Centre
    in the 1960s, there was a fountain in the centre of the ring. If that was running, people in offices overlooking it, found the same effect. In the interests of getting work done, it was turned off. It also leaked into
    the
    basement video tape area.

    --
    from KT24 in Surrey, England
    "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to Indy Jess John on Sun Dec 19 11:42:24 2021
    Yes when I got my first colour camera when I could still see,It made
    everyone look a little yellow as the lighting was indeed of the type you mention. Even the sun is not pure white of course. Colour temperature and
    holes in the spectrum are tolerated well by our eyes and brain. I remember when the first CFL lamps came out many complained that the lighting, though apparently bright seemed to look grainy to them. I suspect this was due to
    the brain having to adjust the spectrum and of course cfls tend to have poor persistence of vision unlike tungsten which although red do still emit light
    as the cycles reach their peak. Some phosphors do look better, but can cause other effects like slow strobing effects.
    Brian

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    "Indy Jess John" <bathwatchdog@OMITTHISgooglemail.com> wrote in message news:spljhb$k7e$1@dont-email.me...
    On 18/12/2021 15:57, Tweed wrote:
    Sky offer a video of a log fire as a download. For a bit of fun I
    downloaded it and set it running. Now both my wife and I feel warmer and
    I
    can actually feel warmth on my face from this virtual fire. Strange thing
    the human mind.

    Similarly, the conventional fluorescent tube looks pale green if you take
    a photo in a daylight lit area with a fluorescent lamp in the distant background. When you go into the area lit by the fluorescent lamp, a
    piece of white paper still looks white rather than pale green.

    Jim


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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 19 11:44:35 2021
    What about red eye, what causes that?

    Amy way I'm beyond caring these days.
    If you run the log fire video backwards, does it cool you down? :-)

    Brian

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    "Max Demian" <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote in message news:V5SdnQAr_ZCIiiL8nZ2dnUU78S-dnZ2d@brightview.co.uk...
    On 18/12/2021 21:23, Indy Jess John wrote:
    On 18/12/2021 15:57, Tweed wrote:
    Sky offer a video of a log fire as a download. For a bit of fun I
    downloaded it and set it running. Now both my wife and I feel warmer and >>> I
    can actually feel warmth on my face from this virtual fire. Strange
    thing
    the human mind.

    Similarly, the conventional fluorescent tube looks pale green if you take
    a photo in a daylight lit area with a fluorescent lamp in the distant
    background.

    With film camera? Due to the chemistry of the emulsion, mainly, and the
    lack of any colour correction. And incandescent lamps make the image look orange.

    When you go into the area lit by the fluorescent lamp, a piece of white
    paper still looks white rather than pale green.

    Camera or mk. 1 eyeball?

    Our vision has a clever system of colour correction. As do digital
    cameras.

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  • From Sn!pe@21:1/5 to Max Demian on Sun Dec 19 12:26:58 2021
    Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

    On 18/12/2021 21:23, Indy Jess John wrote:
    On 18/12/2021 15:57, Tweed wrote:
    Sky offer a video of a log fire as a download. For a bit of fun I
    downloaded it and set it running. Now both my wife and I feel warmer
    and I
    can actually feel warmth on my face from this virtual fire. Strange thing >> the human mind.

    Similarly, the conventional fluorescent tube looks pale green if you
    take a photo in a daylight lit area with a fluorescent lamp in the
    distant background.

    With film camera? Due to the chemistry of the emulsion, mainly, and the
    lack of any colour correction. And incandescent lamps make the image
    look orange.
    [...]

    When using print film the colour balance is entirely under the
    subjective control of the tech. operating the printer. Many
    professionals of the film era preferred to use slide film where
    the subjective element is avoided. Slide film shots taken under
    fluorescent lighting show a very strong green colour cast.

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  • From williamwright@21:1/5 to John Hall on Sun Dec 19 16:56:42 2021
    On 18/12/2021 18:36, John Hall wrote:
    In message <spl0du$imc$1@dont-email.me>, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> writes
    Sky offer a video of a log fire as a download. For a bit of fun I
    downloaded it and set it running. Now both my wife and I feel warmer
    and I
    can actually feel warmth on my face from this virtual fire. Strange thing
    the human mind.


    The one that puzzles me is why the sound of a tap running makes me want
    to urinate.

    It works well when you are required to urinate by a bossy nurse.

    Bill

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 19 17:19:19 2021
    On 19/12/2021 11:44, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:

    What about red eye, what causes that?

    In dim light the pupils are open so light from the flash reflects from
    the inside of the eye which is red due to the blood.

    One way to eliminate it is for the flash to be separated from the camera
    by a few inches; I used to have a "magicube extender" for a pocket
    instamatic I had.

    Modern digital cameras and phones flash once or twice before registering
    the image so that the pupil has time to contract.

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 19 17:24:56 2021
    On 19/12/2021 12:26, Sn!pe wrote:
    Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

    On 18/12/2021 21:23, Indy Jess John wrote:
    On 18/12/2021 15:57, Tweed wrote:
    Sky offer a video of a log fire as a download. For a bit of fun I
    downloaded it and set it running. Now both my wife and I feel warmer
    and I
    can actually feel warmth on my face from this virtual fire. Strange thing >>>> the human mind.

    Similarly, the conventional fluorescent tube looks pale green if you
    take a photo in a daylight lit area with a fluorescent lamp in the
    distant background.

    With film camera? Due to the chemistry of the emulsion, mainly, and the
    lack of any colour correction. And incandescent lamps make the image
    look orange.
    [...]

    When using print film the colour balance is entirely under the
    subjective control of the tech. operating the printer. Many
    professionals of the film era preferred to use slide film where
    the subjective element is avoided. Slide film shots taken under
    fluorescent lighting show a very strong green colour cast.

    Did they actually correct the balance on colour print film? I know they corrected the exposure of colour print film from the 70s onward so you
    could use simple cameras with fixed aperture which previously could only
    be used with b/w.

    (Doesn't explain why the last film I had processed (of outdoor shots)
    had a pronounced purple hue. Or why the girl in Boots didn't care.
    Admittedly the film was rather out of date.)

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 19 17:27:20 2021
    On 19/12/2021 11:42, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:

    Yes when I got my first colour camera when I could still see,It made
    everyone look a little yellow as the lighting was indeed of the type you mention. Even the sun is not pure white of course. Colour temperature and holes in the spectrum are tolerated well by our eyes and brain. I remember when the first CFL lamps came out many complained that the lighting, though apparently bright seemed to look grainy to them. I suspect this was due to the brain having to adjust the spectrum and of course cfls tend to have poor persistence of vision unlike tungsten which although red do still emit light as the cycles reach their peak. Some phosphors do look better, but can cause other effects like slow strobing effects.

    When electric light (or was it gas) first came out, ladies complained
    that it was unflattering to their complexion and insisted on light shades.

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  • From williamwright@21:1/5 to Indy Jess John on Sun Dec 19 17:53:20 2021
    On 18/12/2021 21:23, Indy Jess John wrote:
    Similarly, the conventional fluorescent tube looks pale green if you
    take a photo in a daylight lit area with a fluorescent lamp in the
    distant background.

    Auto colour balance.

    Bill

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  • From Sn!pe@21:1/5 to Max Demian on Sun Dec 19 18:46:22 2021
    Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

    On 19/12/2021 12:26, Sn!pe wrote:
    [...]
    When using print film the colour balance is entirely under the
    subjective control of the tech. operating the printer. Many
    professionals of the film era preferred to use slide film where
    the subjective element is avoided. Slide film shots taken under fluorescent lighting show a very strong green colour cast.


    Did they actually correct the balance on colour print film? I know they corrected the exposure of colour print film from the 70s onward so you
    could use simple cameras with fixed aperture which previously could only
    be used with b/w.

    (Doesn't explain why the last film I had processed (of outdoor shots)
    had a pronounced purple hue. Or why the girl in Boots didn't care.
    Admittedly the film was rather out of date.)


    Yes, the colour balance is totally controlled by the operator. That's
    why if you ever wanted a reprint and you needed the colour balance to
    be similar to the first copy, you had to provide a sample for colour
    matching. Even then it was hit or miss and reprints rarely matched
    well. Consumer grade colour printing was not a precise art.

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  • From williamwright@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 19 18:24:25 2021
    On 19/12/2021 12:26, Sn!pe wrote:
    Slide film shots taken under
    fluorescent lighting show a very strong green colour cast.

    That's why we used to carry a full set of correction filters. Nowadays
    just select the appropriate light source correction in settings.

    Bill

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to williamwright on Sun Dec 19 19:21:21 2021
    On 19/12/2021 17:53, williamwright wrote:
    Auto colour balance.

    Digital cameras have setting different types of light so easy to
    correct. You can even correct retrospectively if you forget to set or
    set incorrectly,

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  • From williamwright@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 20 01:46:51 2021
    On 19/12/2021 19:21, MB wrote:
    On 19/12/2021 17:53, williamwright wrote:
    Auto colour balance.

    Digital cameras have setting different types of light so easy to
    correct.  You can even correct retrospectively if you forget to set or
    set incorrectly,

    Graphics program. Auto white balance. Assuming no unusual dominant
    colour in the picture it works. One click.

    Bill

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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to williamwright on Mon Dec 20 10:09:56 2021
    Yes the old Hitachi I had had something like this built in, but it never
    quite got it right all over the picture. You could still see some items in
    the shot which you knew were not the colour they appeared, however I guess
    if nobody knew that it matters very little!
    I actually quite miss being able to play about with cameras.

    Brian

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    "williamwright" <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote in message news:j2a5kbF17imU2@mid.individual.net...
    On 19/12/2021 19:21, MB wrote:
    On 19/12/2021 17:53, williamwright wrote:
    Auto colour balance.

    Digital cameras have setting different types of light so easy to correct.
    You can even correct retrospectively if you forget to set or set
    incorrectly,

    Graphics program. Auto white balance. Assuming no unusual dominant colour
    in the picture it works. One click.

    Bill

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