• Dali Kubik One

    From pinnerite@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 15 21:54:10 2021
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    I need to buy a soundbar. The spec of the Dali sounds perfect.
    Except I will want to fix it to the wall.
    It has keyhole fixings on the back.
    In my experience with these, it is hard to get a firm fixing.
    Furthermore it may induce bass rattle.

    Can anyone throw any light on this?

    TIA

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  • From Roderick Stewart@21:1/5 to steve@walker-family.me.uk on Thu Dec 16 11:45:07 2021
    On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 11:28:29 +0000, Steve Walker
    <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:

    On 16/12/2021 09:09, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
    I do often wonder how many people have a perfectly adequate sound system of >> however many channels in the same room but go out and buy a sound bar, which >> in the main is not as well specified as the sound system in the first place. >> Brian

    I have an excellent HiFi in the same room as the TV, but am considering >buying a soundbar. The HiFi speakers are positioned directly opposite
    the settee for the best listening position, while the TV is in the
    corner, for the best viewing position from more than one location in the >room. It's no good having stereo sound for the TV, when the audio and
    visual source positions aren't matched.

    You might do better to find a way of rearranging what you've already
    got, rather than spend money on something new that probably won't
    sound as good.

    I've always assumed that the usual place for a TV became a corner
    because this was a good way of hiding the depth of the box necessary
    to house the neck of a CRT, but this no longer applies. Also, the
    space opposite most of the seating would commonly be occupied by a
    fireplace, but with modern central heating there's no need for
    fireplaces so in many homes this need no longer apply either.

    Rod.

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  • From Roderick Stewart@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 16 11:48:14 2021
    On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 11:21:42 +0000, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 16/12/2021 09:12, Andy Bennet wrote:
    On 15/12/2021 21:54, pinnerite wrote:
    I need to buy a soundbar. The spec of the Dali sounds perfect.
    Except I will want to fix it to the wall.
    It has keyhole fixings on the back.
    In my experience with these, it is hard to get a firm fixing.
    Furthermore it may induce bass rattle.

    Can anyone throw any light on this?

    TIA


    If you use countersunk screws you can fine tune the tightness



    I normally use countersunk screws, because that's what I have, but my >impression is that pan head would be better. (I usually only do this for >extension sockets.)

    Pan head screws are easier for locating things with keyhole slots, and
    you can adjust the tightness, but it takes very small adjustments.

    Rod.

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  • From Roderick Stewart@21:1/5 to rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk on Thu Dec 16 11:49:23 2021
    On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 11:48:14 +0000, Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

    On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 11:21:42 +0000, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 16/12/2021 09:12, Andy Bennet wrote:
    On 15/12/2021 21:54, pinnerite wrote:
    I need to buy a soundbar. The spec of the Dali sounds perfect.
    Except I will want to fix it to the wall.
    It has keyhole fixings on the back.
    In my experience with these, it is hard to get a firm fixing.
    Furthermore it may induce bass rattle.

    Can anyone throw any light on this?

    TIA


    If you use countersunk screws you can fine tune the tightness



    I normally use countersunk screws, because that's what I have, but my >>impression is that pan head would be better. (I usually only do this for >>extension sockets.)

    Pan head screws are easier for locating things with keyhole slots, and
    you can adjust the tightness, but it takes very small adjustments.

    Rod.

    Actually I meant round heads.

    Rod.

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  • From williamwright@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 17 05:38:39 2021
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On 16/12/2021 09:09, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
    I do often wonder how many people have a perfectly adequate sound system of however many channels in the same room but go out and buy a sound bar, which in the main is not as well specified as the sound system in the first place.

    It's very common.

    Bill

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  • From Bob Latham@21:1/5 to Pamela on Fri Dec 17 09:48:53 2021
    In article <XnsAE02AD76D52E837B93@144.76.35.252>,
    Pamela <pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com> wrote:

    Even with enhanced stereo effects a soundbar doesn't really immerse
    the viewer in the sound, no matter how swanky it is.

    Blimey! I agree with Pamela. :-)

    In two rooms here (not the main hi-fi room) I have a Denon mini
    system RCD-N9 and two speakers. They replaced two Sony sound bars.
    Much better INHO.

    Bob.

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  • From Roderick Stewart@21:1/5 to bob@sick-of-spam.invalid on Fri Dec 17 12:46:05 2021
    On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 09:48:53 +0000 (GMT), Bob Latham
    <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

    In article <XnsAE02AD76D52E837B93@144.76.35.252>,
    Pamela <pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com> wrote:

    Even with enhanced stereo effects a soundbar doesn't really immerse
    the viewer in the sound, no matter how swanky it is.

    Blimey! I agree with Pamela. :-)

    In two rooms here (not the main hi-fi room) I have a Denon mini
    system RCD-N9 and two speakers. They replaced two Sony sound bars.
    Much better INHO.

    Bob.

    Similar story here. I have a pair of Bowers and Wilkins loudspeakers
    either side of my TV screen, and I've never heard any modern sound
    system that could honestly stand comparison with it. I bought the
    loudspeakers around 1970, when hi-fi equipment was designed for sound,
    not for looks, and good loudspeakers were built into proper wooden
    boxes, not plastic tubes.

    Rod.

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to Roderick Stewart on Fri Dec 17 13:02:35 2021
    In article <561prg93p1qkksd6c8e5cogdua22juiv0c@4ax.com>,
    Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 09:48:53 +0000 (GMT), Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

    In article <XnsAE02AD76D52E837B93@144.76.35.252>,
    Pamela <pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com> wrote:

    Even with enhanced stereo effects a soundbar doesn't really immerse
    the viewer in the sound, no matter how swanky it is.

    Blimey! I agree with Pamela. :-)

    In two rooms here (not the main hi-fi room) I have a Denon mini
    system RCD-N9 and two speakers. They replaced two Sony sound bars.
    Much better INHO.

    Bob.

    Similar story here. I have a pair of Bowers and Wilkins loudspeakers
    either side of my TV screen, and I've never heard any modern sound
    system that could honestly stand comparison with it. I bought the loudspeakers around 1970, when hi-fi equipment was designed for sound,
    not for looks, and good loudspeakers were built into proper wooden
    boxes, not plastic tubes.

    I've a pair of KEF Cabdenzas, now stored in the loft since management
    thinks they are ugly.

    --
    from KT24 in Surrey, England
    "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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  • From Jim Lesurf@21:1/5 to rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk on Fri Dec 17 17:40:18 2021
    In article <561prg93p1qkksd6c8e5cogdua22juiv0c@4ax.com>, Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

    Similar story here. I have a pair of Bowers and Wilkins loudspeakers
    either side of my TV screen, and I've never heard any modern sound
    system that could honestly stand comparison with it. I bought the loudspeakers around 1970, when hi-fi equipment was designed for sound,
    not for looks, and good loudspeakers were built into proper wooden
    boxes, not plastic tubes.

    You can still get good pairs of stereo speakers. But have to find and
    explore the region between the mass market rubbish sold mainly for 'video'
    uses and the ultra-high-price fancy examples for those who want impressive bling. Sadly, not all of what appears in hi-fi mags is useful. Hence they
    are also something you need to read with care.

    uk.rec.audio or Pink Fish would probably give someone more info if they
    wish to have some new or 'better' (to their taste, etc) speakers.


    Jim

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  • From Pamela@21:1/5 to Jim Lesurf on Sat Dec 18 16:57:12 2021
    On 17:40 17 Dec 2021, Jim Lesurf said:

    In article <561prg93p1qkksd6c8e5cogdua22juiv0c@4ax.com>, Roderick
    Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

    Similar story here. I have a pair of Bowers and Wilkins
    loudspeakers either side of my TV screen, and I've never heard any
    modern sound system that could honestly stand comparison with it. I
    bought the loudspeakers around 1970, when hi-fi equipment was
    designed for sound, not for looks, and good loudspeakers were built
    into proper wooden boxes, not plastic tubes.

    You can still get good pairs of stereo speakers. But have to find
    and explore the region between the mass market rubbish sold mainly
    for 'video' uses and the ultra-high-price fancy examples for those
    who want impressive bling. Sadly, not all of what appears in hi-fi
    mags is useful. Hence they are also something you need to read with
    care.

    uk.rec.audio or Pink Fish would probably give someone more info if
    they wish to have some new or 'better' (to their taste, etc)
    speakers.


    Jim

    I have found that "full range" hi-fi speakers tend to be too bassy when reproducing speech.

    I sometimes wonder if broadcast sound is mixed with telly and radio set speakers in mind, with the result that bass is articifically emphasised?

    The intended result may be deep and full sounding speech but I find the
    bass in speech on a big speaker sounds are muddy and muddled.

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to Pamela on Sat Dec 18 17:49:27 2021
    On 18/12/2021 16:57, Pamela wrote:
    On 17:40 17 Dec 2021, Jim Lesurf said:
    In article <561prg93p1qkksd6c8e5cogdua22juiv0c@4ax.com>, Roderick
    Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

    Similar story here. I have a pair of Bowers and Wilkins
    loudspeakers either side of my TV screen, and I've never heard any
    modern sound system that could honestly stand comparison with it. I
    bought the loudspeakers around 1970, when hi-fi equipment was
    designed for sound, not for looks, and good loudspeakers were built
    into proper wooden boxes, not plastic tubes.

    You can still get good pairs of stereo speakers. But have to find
    and explore the region between the mass market rubbish sold mainly
    for 'video' uses and the ultra-high-price fancy examples for those
    who want impressive bling. Sadly, not all of what appears in hi-fi
    mags is useful. Hence they are also something you need to read with
    care.

    uk.rec.audio or Pink Fish would probably give someone more info if
    they wish to have some new or 'better' (to their taste, etc)
    speakers.

    I have found that "full range" hi-fi speakers tend to be too bassy when reproducing speech.

    I sometimes wonder if broadcast sound is mixed with telly and radio set speakers in mind, with the result that bass is articifically emphasised?

    The intended result may be deep and full sounding speech but I find the
    bass in speech on a big speaker sounds are muddy and muddled.

    Fine on my 1976 Goodmans Mezzo SLs. (21" high box; 10" bass units I think.)

    --
    Max Demian

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  • From williamwright@21:1/5 to Max Demian on Sat Dec 18 18:06:06 2021
    On 18/12/2021 17:49, Max Demian wrote:
    I have found that "full range" hi-fi speakers tend to be too bassy when
    reproducing speech.

    I sometimes wonder if broadcast sound is mixed with telly and radio set
    speakers in mind, with the result that bass is articifically emphasised?

    The intended result may be deep and full sounding speech but I find the
    bass in speech on a big speaker sounds are muddy and muddled.

    Fine on my 1976 Goodmans Mezzo SLs. (21" high box; 10" bass units I think.)

    Fine on my big speakers.

    Bill

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  • From Bob Latham@21:1/5 to Pamela on Sat Dec 18 18:21:46 2021
    In article <XnsAE04AC75B919B37B93@144.76.35.252>,
    Pamela <pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com> wrote:


    I have found that "full range" hi-fi speakers tend to be too bassy
    when reproducing speech.

    Have you got them close to a wall especially a wall behind them?

    Speakers have to be specifically designed to work against a wall and
    even then it tends to destroy any chance they'll give a convincing
    stereo image.

    Mine are over a metre from the rear wall for that very reason.

    Bob.

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  • From Jim Lesurf@21:1/5 to pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com on Sun Dec 19 10:21:00 2021
    In article <XnsAE04AC75B919B37B93@144.76.35.252>, Pamela <pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com> wrote:

    I have found that "full range" hi-fi speakers tend to be too bassy when reproducing speech.

    That may in part be due to speech recordings/broadcasts that are too close without proximity correction. But also may be a 'feature of your room, etc. However, yes, big speakers tend to do this. Have you tried ESLs? The
    interact with the room in a different way. Also, of course, a matter of
    where you place the speakers in the room, your listening position, etc.

    Quite a number of radio programmes seem to do this, though. The variations on the BBC now they take in 'independent' productions is quite marked. As are the differences in sound level from one programme to another! Seems to be a
    lack of ensuring some standards wrt level, etc.

    Jim

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