• Ballpark cost of installation(s) nowadays

    From Chris Green@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 3 17:04:49 2021
    My daughter is in the process of moving into a new (to her) house.
    She wants both Freeview and Freesat in three rooms.

    There are currently no (functioning) dishes or aerials. We're in a
    marginal Freeview area for Sudbury. (Her house is close to ours)

    So what sort of ballpark costs should she expect, preferably with the
    Freeview and Freesat costs separated (though can they use a common
    'box'?)

    She has 'dumb' TVs to show the pictures (HDMI inputs).


    As a final rider, is she right to want both Freeview and Freesat or
    would Freesat provide everything except a few weird/marginal channels?

    --
    Chris Green
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  • From Woody@21:1/5 to Chris Green on Fri Dec 3 18:33:18 2021
    On Fri 03/12/2021 17:04, Chris Green wrote:
    My daughter is in the process of moving into a new (to her) house.
    She wants both Freeview and Freesat in three rooms.

    There are currently no (functioning) dishes or aerials. We're in a
    marginal Freeview area for Sudbury. (Her house is close to ours)

    So what sort of ballpark costs should she expect, preferably with the Freeview and Freesat costs separated (though can they use a common
    'box'?)

    She has 'dumb' TVs to show the pictures (HDMI inputs).


    As a final rider, is she right to want both Freeview and Freesat or
    would Freesat provide everything except a few weird/marginal channels?

    There are some channels that are on Freeview that are not on Freesat -
    ISTR Ch4HD was one.

    Put up a decent multibeam with a single port low gain masthead pre-amp*
    to get the signal into a useable margin, then fit a 1-in 4-out amp in
    the loft or wherever convenient. You only need one cable to each TV.
    *Fringe Electronics make good units, Labgear from Toolstation are also effective. Also look at www.blake-uk.com in Sheffield.

    If using Freesat you will need one box for each user and as you will be
    using HDMI connection you will need two cables from the dish to each
    position if the Freesat box is a recorder. One dish with an 8-port LNB
    will do the job perfectly.
    An alternative here is to use a 4-port LNB and feed the four ports into
    to a signal multiswitch. Said switch also has a UHF signal input. You
    then run one twin (so-called 'shotgun') cable from the switch to each TV position or a single cable if there is no recording facility and the TV
    will have access to both Freesat and Freeview (assuming the TV has a
    Freeview tuner!) For LNB look at Inverto Black products.

    eBay item 284554041352 is a suitable switch. If you go down this route
    better to get a (Sky) Zone2 dish to give a better signal as the switch
    is effectively passive. The difference between a quattro and a quad LNB
    is that the quattro has fixed outputs whereas the quad replies on the
    switch to tell it which output is which. There are four outputs because
    there are two frequency bands and two polarities which all need to be
    handled independently.

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to Woody on Fri Dec 3 18:36:50 2021
    On 03/12/2021 18:33, Woody wrote:
    On Fri 03/12/2021 17:04, Chris Green wrote:
    My daughter is in the process of moving into a new (to her) house.
    She wants both Freeview and Freesat in three rooms.

    There are currently no (functioning) dishes or aerials.  We're in a
    marginal Freeview area for Sudbury. (Her house is close to ours)

    So what sort of ballpark costs should she expect, preferably with the
    Freeview and Freesat costs separated (though can they use a common
    'box'?)

    She has 'dumb' TVs to show the pictures (HDMI inputs).


    As a final rider, is she right to want both Freeview and Freesat or
    would Freesat provide everything except a few weird/marginal channels?

    Both have a good range of channels. She should decide which platform she
    wants.

    And avoid printed programme guides as I think they always cover Freeview
    and Freesat. They also cover Sky and Virgin: the programme she wants
    will always be on a platform she doesn't have.

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  • From williamwright@21:1/5 to Max Demian on Sat Dec 4 00:47:03 2021
    On 03/12/2021 18:36, Max Demian wrote:
    On 03/12/2021 18:33, Woody wrote:
    On Fri 03/12/2021 17:04, Chris Green wrote:
    My daughter is in the process of moving into a new (to her) house.
    She wants both Freeview and Freesat in three rooms.

    There are currently no (functioning) dishes or aerials.  We're in a
    marginal Freeview area for Sudbury. (Her house is close to ours)

    So what sort of ballpark costs should she expect, preferably with the
    Freeview and Freesat costs separated (though can they use a common
    'box'?)

    She has 'dumb' TVs to show the pictures (HDMI inputs).


    As a final rider, is she right to want both Freeview and Freesat or
    would Freesat provide everything except a few weird/marginal channels?

    Both have a good range of channels. She should decide which platform she wants.

    And avoid printed programme guides as I think they always cover Freeview
    and Freesat. They also cover Sky and Virgin: the programme she wants
    will always be on a platform she doesn't have.


    If terrestrial reception *really is* marginal she might as well just do Freesat. Freesat without Freeview is gloriously easy. Standard Sky dish
    with octo (8 output) LNB (the thing on the dish at the front). Two
    cables from the LNB to each receiver position. No amplifier in the loft
    or anything like that. No need for wallplates etc; cables straight into
    the receivers. Put a Freesat receiver/recorder with each TV, or use TV
    sets with built-in Freesat. Best to use receiver/recorders that have a
    'non Freesat' mode so you can get everything on the satellite; not just
    Freesat channels. Where a TV set has an accompanying receiver/recorder
    use the TV as a monitor; don't bother with the telly's own tuner;
    there's no point. But if you really want to you need an extra cable to
    that location from the LNB.

    In Yorkshire the whole thing would cost about £450 to £500 + VAT,
    installed, assuming all cables were needed.

    Bill

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 4 10:41:10 2021
    On 04/12/2021 in message <dmsr7i-9lku.ln1@esprimo.zbmc.eu> Chris Green
    wrote:

    williamwright <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:
    On 03/12/2021 18:36, Max Demian wrote:
    On 03/12/2021 18:33, Woody wrote:
    On Fri 03/12/2021 17:04, Chris Green wrote:
    My daughter is in the process of moving into a new (to her) house. >>>>>She wants both Freeview and Freesat in three rooms.

    There are currently no (functioning) dishes or aerials.  We're in a >>>>>marginal Freeview area for Sudbury. (Her house is close to ours)

    So what sort of ballpark costs should she expect, preferably with the >>>>>Freeview and Freesat costs separated (though can they use a common >>>>>'box'?)

    She has 'dumb' TVs to show the pictures (HDMI inputs).


    As a final rider, is she right to want both Freeview and Freesat or >>>>>would Freesat provide everything except a few weird/marginal channels?

    Both have a good range of channels. She should decide which platform she >>>wants.

    And avoid printed programme guides as I think they always cover Freeview >>>and Freesat. They also cover Sky and Virgin: the programme she wants
    will always be on a platform she doesn't have.


    If terrestrial reception *really is* marginal she might as well just do >>Freesat. Freesat without Freeview is gloriously easy. Standard Sky dish >>with octo (8 output) LNB (the thing on the dish at the front). Two
    cables from the LNB to each receiver position. No amplifier in the loft
    or anything like that. No need for wallplates etc; cables straight into
    the receivers. Put a Freesat receiver/recorder with each TV, or use TV
    sets with built-in Freesat. Best to use receiver/recorders that have a
    'non Freesat' mode so you can get everything on the satellite; not just >>Freesat channels. Where a TV set has an accompanying receiver/recorder
    use the TV as a monitor; don't bother with the telly's own tuner;
    there's no point. But if you really want to you need an extra cable to
    that location from the LNB.

    In Yorkshire the whole thing would cost about £450 to £500 + VAT, >>installed, assuming all cables were needed.

    Thank you Bill, that's just the sort of information I was after.

    We live at the other end of the same village on one of the highest
    points (which isn't very high, this is Suffolk) and need a good[ish]
    aerial mounted at the Sudbury end of the house and quite carefully
    aimed at Sudbury to get reliable reception. It doesn't have a
    masthead amplifier but the amplifier that drives the multiple sockets
    around the house is up in the loft as close as possible to the lead-in
    from the aerial. I think (though it's difficult to tell really) that
    her house won't have such a good 'view' towards Sudbury.

    Is streaming over the Internet a viable option? When I lived in a smallish village there was no TV reception and the Internet was supplied on a piece
    of damp string :-(

    --
    Jeff Gaines Wiltshire UK
    You can't tell which way the train went by looking at the tracks

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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 4 11:04:11 2021
    Yes and that is always going to be the case. It used to be in the old days
    that the film you wanted to see was only on Midland not on London etc, so
    not a lot of change. To be honest though, I've really been disappointed with Freeview, too much duplication and re runs and crap imported stuff of very little value other than to fill up schedule slots.
    I mean how much does it cost to show a bloke with a camera round your
    house?



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    "Max Demian" <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote in message news:qIKdnQTpE6tW_jf8nZ2dnUU78IWdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk...
    On 03/12/2021 18:33, Woody wrote:
    On Fri 03/12/2021 17:04, Chris Green wrote:
    My daughter is in the process of moving into a new (to her) house.
    She wants both Freeview and Freesat in three rooms.

    There are currently no (functioning) dishes or aerials. We're in a
    marginal Freeview area for Sudbury. (Her house is close to ours)

    So what sort of ballpark costs should she expect, preferably with the
    Freeview and Freesat costs separated (though can they use a common
    'box'?)

    She has 'dumb' TVs to show the pictures (HDMI inputs).


    As a final rider, is she right to want both Freeview and Freesat or
    would Freesat provide everything except a few weird/marginal channels?

    Both have a good range of channels. She should decide which platform she wants.

    And avoid printed programme guides as I think they always cover Freeview
    and Freesat. They also cover Sky and Virgin: the programme she wants will always be on a platform she doesn't have.

    --
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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to Woody on Sat Dec 4 11:00:11 2021
    Yes it all used to be so simple in the analogue days. Of course one must not forget Internet delivered channels as well.
    Brian

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    "Woody" <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:sodnte$7se$1@dont-email.me...
    On Fri 03/12/2021 17:04, Chris Green wrote:
    My daughter is in the process of moving into a new (to her) house.
    She wants both Freeview and Freesat in three rooms.

    There are currently no (functioning) dishes or aerials. We're in a
    marginal Freeview area for Sudbury. (Her house is close to ours)

    So what sort of ballpark costs should she expect, preferably with the
    Freeview and Freesat costs separated (though can they use a common
    'box'?)

    She has 'dumb' TVs to show the pictures (HDMI inputs).


    As a final rider, is she right to want both Freeview and Freesat or
    would Freesat provide everything except a few weird/marginal channels?

    There are some channels that are on Freeview that are not on Freesat -
    ISTR Ch4HD was one.

    Put up a decent multibeam with a single port low gain masthead pre-amp* to get the signal into a useable margin, then fit a 1-in 4-out amp in the
    loft or wherever convenient. You only need one cable to each TV.
    *Fringe Electronics make good units, Labgear from Toolstation are also effective. Also look at www.blake-uk.com in Sheffield.

    If using Freesat you will need one box for each user and as you will be
    using HDMI connection you will need two cables from the dish to each
    position if the Freesat box is a recorder. One dish with an 8-port LNB
    will do the job perfectly.
    An alternative here is to use a 4-port LNB and feed the four ports into to
    a signal multiswitch. Said switch also has a UHF signal input. You then
    run one twin (so-called 'shotgun') cable from the switch to each TV
    position or a single cable if there is no recording facility and the TV
    will have access to both Freesat and Freeview (assuming the TV has a
    Freeview tuner!) For LNB look at Inverto Black products.

    eBay item 284554041352 is a suitable switch. If you go down this route
    better to get a (Sky) Zone2 dish to give a better signal as the switch is effectively passive. The difference between a quattro and a quad LNB is
    that the quattro has fixed outputs whereas the quad replies on the switch
    to tell it which output is which. There are four outputs because there are two frequency bands and two polarities which all need to be handled independently.

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  • From Chris Green@21:1/5 to williamwright on Sat Dec 4 10:32:13 2021
    williamwright <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:
    On 03/12/2021 18:36, Max Demian wrote:
    On 03/12/2021 18:33, Woody wrote:
    On Fri 03/12/2021 17:04, Chris Green wrote:
    My daughter is in the process of moving into a new (to her) house.
    She wants both Freeview and Freesat in three rooms.

    There are currently no (functioning) dishes or aerials.  We're in a
    marginal Freeview area for Sudbury. (Her house is close to ours)

    So what sort of ballpark costs should she expect, preferably with the
    Freeview and Freesat costs separated (though can they use a common
    'box'?)

    She has 'dumb' TVs to show the pictures (HDMI inputs).


    As a final rider, is she right to want both Freeview and Freesat or
    would Freesat provide everything except a few weird/marginal channels?

    Both have a good range of channels. She should decide which platform she wants.

    And avoid printed programme guides as I think they always cover Freeview and Freesat. They also cover Sky and Virgin: the programme she wants
    will always be on a platform she doesn't have.


    If terrestrial reception *really is* marginal she might as well just do Freesat. Freesat without Freeview is gloriously easy. Standard Sky dish
    with octo (8 output) LNB (the thing on the dish at the front). Two
    cables from the LNB to each receiver position. No amplifier in the loft
    or anything like that. No need for wallplates etc; cables straight into
    the receivers. Put a Freesat receiver/recorder with each TV, or use TV
    sets with built-in Freesat. Best to use receiver/recorders that have a
    'non Freesat' mode so you can get everything on the satellite; not just Freesat channels. Where a TV set has an accompanying receiver/recorder
    use the TV as a monitor; don't bother with the telly's own tuner;
    there's no point. But if you really want to you need an extra cable to
    that location from the LNB.

    In Yorkshire the whole thing would cost about £450 to £500 + VAT, installed, assuming all cables were needed.

    Thank you Bill, that's just the sort of information I was after.

    We live at the other end of the same village on one of the highest
    points (which isn't very high, this is Suffolk) and need a good[ish]
    aerial mounted at the Sudbury end of the house and quite carefully
    aimed at Sudbury to get reliable reception. It doesn't have a
    masthead amplifier but the amplifier that drives the multiple sockets
    around the house is up in the loft as close as possible to the lead-in
    from the aerial. I think (though it's difficult to tell really) that
    her house won't have such a good 'view' towards Sudbury.

    --
    Chris Green
    ·

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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to Chris Green on Sat Dec 4 11:13:08 2021
    If I recall from a fiend who moved up to Suffolk, its quite flat and
    sometimes during temperature inversions you got severe fading and increases
    in the strength of the signals dependent on the channels. It was actually
    more obvious in the analogue days of course on digital it was more break-up. I'm told this is multipath effects as the prismatic effects of the different atmospheric densities moved in between. You used to get similar trying to
    get at Rowridge from here on the FM band when the FM band was not so chock
    full of pirates. grin.
    Brian

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    "Chris Green" <cl@isbd.net> wrote in message news:dmsr7i-9lku.ln1@esprimo.zbmc.eu...
    williamwright <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:
    On 03/12/2021 18:36, Max Demian wrote:
    On 03/12/2021 18:33, Woody wrote:
    On Fri 03/12/2021 17:04, Chris Green wrote:
    My daughter is in the process of moving into a new (to her) house.
    She wants both Freeview and Freesat in three rooms.

    There are currently no (functioning) dishes or aerials. We're in a
    marginal Freeview area for Sudbury. (Her house is close to ours)

    So what sort of ballpark costs should she expect, preferably with the
    Freeview and Freesat costs separated (though can they use a common
    'box'?)

    She has 'dumb' TVs to show the pictures (HDMI inputs).


    As a final rider, is she right to want both Freeview and Freesat or
    would Freesat provide everything except a few weird/marginal
    channels?

    Both have a good range of channels. She should decide which platform
    she
    wants.

    And avoid printed programme guides as I think they always cover
    Freeview
    and Freesat. They also cover Sky and Virgin: the programme she wants
    will always be on a platform she doesn't have.


    If terrestrial reception *really is* marginal she might as well just do
    Freesat. Freesat without Freeview is gloriously easy. Standard Sky dish
    with octo (8 output) LNB (the thing on the dish at the front). Two
    cables from the LNB to each receiver position. No amplifier in the loft
    or anything like that. No need for wallplates etc; cables straight into
    the receivers. Put a Freesat receiver/recorder with each TV, or use TV
    sets with built-in Freesat. Best to use receiver/recorders that have a
    'non Freesat' mode so you can get everything on the satellite; not just
    Freesat channels. Where a TV set has an accompanying receiver/recorder
    use the TV as a monitor; don't bother with the telly's own tuner;
    there's no point. But if you really want to you need an extra cable to
    that location from the LNB.

    In Yorkshire the whole thing would cost about 450 to 500 + VAT,
    installed, assuming all cables were needed.

    Thank you Bill, that's just the sort of information I was after.

    We live at the other end of the same village on one of the highest
    points (which isn't very high, this is Suffolk) and need a good[ish]
    aerial mounted at the Sudbury end of the house and quite carefully
    aimed at Sudbury to get reliable reception. It doesn't have a
    masthead amplifier but the amplifier that drives the multiple sockets
    around the house is up in the loft as close as possible to the lead-in
    from the aerial. I think (though it's difficult to tell really) that
    her house won't have such a good 'view' towards Sudbury.

    --
    Chris Green


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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to williamwright on Sat Dec 4 11:06:54 2021
    As a matter of interest, who makes Multibeam aerials these days, I have an
    old Jbeam on in my loft, and its a big brute and quite heavy.
    Brian

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    "williamwright" <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote in message news:j0vs47Fs8g9U1@mid.individual.net...
    On 03/12/2021 18:36, Max Demian wrote:
    On 03/12/2021 18:33, Woody wrote:
    On Fri 03/12/2021 17:04, Chris Green wrote:
    My daughter is in the process of moving into a new (to her) house.
    She wants both Freeview and Freesat in three rooms.

    There are currently no (functioning) dishes or aerials. We're in a
    marginal Freeview area for Sudbury. (Her house is close to ours)

    So what sort of ballpark costs should she expect, preferably with the
    Freeview and Freesat costs separated (though can they use a common
    'box'?)

    She has 'dumb' TVs to show the pictures (HDMI inputs).


    As a final rider, is she right to want both Freeview and Freesat or
    would Freesat provide everything except a few weird/marginal channels?

    Both have a good range of channels. She should decide which platform she
    wants.

    And avoid printed programme guides as I think they always cover Freeview
    and Freesat. They also cover Sky and Virgin: the programme she wants will
    always be on a platform she doesn't have.


    If terrestrial reception *really is* marginal she might as well just do Freesat. Freesat without Freeview is gloriously easy. Standard Sky dish
    with octo (8 output) LNB (the thing on the dish at the front). Two cables from the LNB to each receiver position. No amplifier in the loft or
    anything like that. No need for wallplates etc; cables straight into the receivers. Put a Freesat receiver/recorder with each TV, or use TV sets
    with built-in Freesat. Best to use receiver/recorders that have a 'non Freesat' mode so you can get everything on the satellite; not just Freesat channels. Where a TV set has an accompanying receiver/recorder use the TV
    as a monitor; don't bother with the telly's own tuner; there's no point.
    But if you really want to you need an extra cable to that location from
    the LNB.

    In Yorkshire the whole thing would cost about 450 to 500 + VAT,
    installed, assuming all cables were needed.

    Bill

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  • From R. Mark Clayton@21:1/5 to wrightsaerials@aol.com on Sat Dec 4 05:07:10 2021
    On Saturday, 4 December 2021 at 00:47:05 UTC, wrightsaerials@aol.com wrote:
    On 03/12/2021 18:36, Max Demian wrote:
    On 03/12/2021 18:33, Woody wrote:
    On Fri 03/12/2021 17:04, Chris Green wrote:
    My daughter is in the process of moving into a new (to her) house.
    She wants both Freeview and Freesat in three rooms.

    There are currently no (functioning) dishes or aerials. We're in a
    marginal Freeview area for Sudbury. (Her house is close to ours)

    So what sort of ballpark costs should she expect, preferably with the >>> Freeview and Freesat costs separated (though can they use a common
    'box'?)

    She has 'dumb' TVs to show the pictures (HDMI inputs).


    As a final rider, is she right to want both Freeview and Freesat or
    would Freesat provide everything except a few weird/marginal channels?

    Both have a good range of channels. She should decide which platform she wants.

    And avoid printed programme guides as I think they always cover Freeview and Freesat. They also cover Sky and Virgin: the programme she wants
    will always be on a platform she doesn't have.

    If terrestrial reception *really is* marginal she might as well just do Freesat. Freesat without Freeview is gloriously easy. Standard Sky dish
    with octo (8 output) LNB (the thing on the dish at the front). Two
    cables from the LNB to each receiver position. No amplifier in the loft
    or anything like that. No need for wallplates etc; cables straight into
    the receivers. Put a Freesat receiver/recorder with each TV, or use TV
    sets with built-in Freesat. Best to use receiver/recorders that have a
    'non Freesat' mode so you can get everything on the satellite; not just Freesat channels. Where a TV set has an accompanying receiver/recorder
    use the TV as a monitor; don't bother with the telly's own tuner;
    there's no point. But if you really want to you need an extra cable to
    that location from the LNB.

    In Yorkshire the whole thing would cost about £450 to £500 + VAT, installed, assuming all cables were needed.

    Bill

    Very good.

    About the only channel on Freeview , but not on Freesat here is a local Manchester one.

    All the TV's with built in Freesat I have come across (LG, Toshiba, Medion and IIRC Samsung) all have non Freesat channels as well, indeed most of them have DiSEqC ability and can switch between four satellites!

    Which reminds me, how much to install a 90cm Wavefrontier toroidal dish, 13x4 or 16x4 multi-switch (walk up access to dish position)?

    Best for Freeview probably a decent aerial with a mast head amp and a passive reactive splitter or decent aerial and three / four way amplifier.

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  • From Roderick Stewart@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 4 13:22:25 2021
    On 4 Dec 2021 10:41:10 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk>
    wrote:

    [...]
    There are currently no (functioning) dishes or aerials. We're in a >>>>>>marginal Freeview area for Sudbury. (Her house is close to ours)
    [...]

    Is streaming over the Internet a viable option? When I lived in a smallish >village there was no TV reception and the Internet was supplied on a piece
    of damp string :-(

    I have Freeview and internet streaming, but if I had neither and had
    to start again from scratch with only one of them I would choose
    internet. Provided there is an internet service with sufficient speed
    for TV streaming, an Amazon stick or equivalent will provide the most
    services most quickly for the least expense.

    Provided... of course. I appreciate this may not apply in a village.

    Rod.

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  • From Chris Green@21:1/5 to Roderick Stewart on Sat Dec 4 17:11:18 2021
    Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On 4 Dec 2021 10:41:10 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk>
    wrote:

    [...]
    There are currently no (functioning) dishes or aerials.  We're in a >>>>>>marginal Freeview area for Sudbury. (Her house is close to ours)
    [...]

    Is streaming over the Internet a viable option? When I lived in a smallish >village there was no TV reception and the Internet was supplied on a piece >of damp string :-(

    I have Freeview and internet streaming, but if I had neither and had
    to start again from scratch with only one of them I would choose
    internet. Provided there is an internet service with sufficient speed
    for TV streaming, an Amazon stick or equivalent will provide the most services most quickly for the least expense.

    Provided... of course. I appreciate this may not apply in a village.

    OP here. We actually have rather good internet, at our house we have
    FTTC that bangs against the maximum speed endstops (80Mbs down 20Mbs up).
    I think our daughter's new house is close to a cabinet as well.

    --
    Chris Green
    ·

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  • From williamwright@21:1/5 to Chris Green on Sat Dec 4 17:32:22 2021
    On 04/12/2021 10:32, Chris Green wrote:
    I think (though it's difficult to tell really) that
    her house won't have such a good 'view' towards Sudbury.

    To assess, roughly, think more about the path towards the tx rather than
    the height of the rx site. Look towards Sudbury from each location. How
    far can you see?

    Bill

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  • From Chris Green@21:1/5 to williamwright on Sat Dec 4 21:38:27 2021
    williamwright <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:
    On 04/12/2021 10:32, Chris Green wrote:
    I think (though it's difficult to tell really) that
    her house won't have such a good 'view' towards Sudbury.

    To assess, roughly, think more about the path towards the tx rather than
    the height of the rx site. Look towards Sudbury from each location. How
    far can you see?

    We can see a fair old way, maybe a mile or so. It's more difficult to
    gauge at my daughter's house as there's more bits and pieces (trees,
    sheds, etc.) in the way. Next time I'm there I'll go upstairs and
    stare knowledgeably out of the window! :-)

    --
    Chris Green
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  • From Roderick Stewart@21:1/5 to Chris Green on Sun Dec 5 11:07:13 2021
    On Sat, 4 Dec 2021 17:11:18 +0000, Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:

    Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On 4 Dec 2021 10:41:10 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk>
    wrote:

    [...]
    There are currently no (functioning) dishes or aerials. We're in a
    marginal Freeview area for Sudbury. (Her house is close to ours)
    [...]

    Is streaming over the Internet a viable option? When I lived in a smallish >> >village there was no TV reception and the Internet was supplied on a piece >> >of damp string :-(

    I have Freeview and internet streaming, but if I had neither and had
    to start again from scratch with only one of them I would choose
    internet. Provided there is an internet service with sufficient speed
    for TV streaming, an Amazon stick or equivalent will provide the most
    services most quickly for the least expense.

    Provided... of course. I appreciate this may not apply in a village.

    OP here. We actually have rather good internet, at our house we have
    FTTC that bangs against the maximum speed endstops (80Mbs down 20Mbs up).
    I think our daughter's new house is close to a cabinet as well.

    Well there's your answer then. You can have thousands of radio and
    television channels and catchup services without any aerials or dishes
    ot other expensive installation at all. Just get a streaming device
    and try it out. In my opinion, this is what high speed internet is
    for. You certainly don't need 80Mb/s for email or Whatsapp.

    Even an old computer could be pressed into service as a media
    streamer. That's what I started with some years ago, until it became
    feasible to buy something smaller and less power hungry without
    cooling fans. Once your computer has been set up with easy shortcuts
    for the services you want, you'll be able to control everything with
    only a standard wireless mouse on the coffee table, so it won't even
    be complicated to use.

    Rod.

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  • From David Woolley@21:1/5 to Roderick Stewart on Sun Dec 5 11:33:25 2021
    On 05/12/2021 11:07, Roderick Stewart wrote:
    In my opinion, this is what high speed internet is
    for.

    It's certainly what DSL was designed for. The original research for
    this was done at least a decade before September became eternal, and the envisaged use was video on demand.

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  • From Tony Gamble@21:1/5 to Roderick Stewart on Sun Dec 5 12:09:06 2021
    On 05/12/2021 11:07, Roderick Stewart wrote:

    Well there's your answer then. You can have thousands of radio and
    television channels and catchup services without any aerials or dishes
    ot other expensive installation at all. Just get a streaming device
    and try it out. In my opinion, this is what high speed internet is
    for. You certainly don't need 80Mb/s for email or Whatsapp.

    Even an old computer could be pressed into service as a media
    streamer. That's what I started with some years ago, until it became
    feasible to buy something smaller and less power hungry without
    cooling fans. Once your computer has been set up with easy shortcuts
    for the services you want, you'll be able to control everything with
    only a standard wireless mouse on the coffee table, so it won't even
    be complicated to use.

    Rod.

    Agreed about speed.

    Our download is half that and it handles 4k movies streamed. As I said
    on the next thread I normally download them but, if pressured for time,
    I run them online and get little buffering.

    Tony

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to Roderick Stewart on Sun Dec 5 12:16:36 2021
    On 05/12/2021 11:07, Roderick Stewart wrote:
    On Sat, 4 Dec 2021 17:11:18 +0000, Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
    Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On 4 Dec 2021 10:41:10 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk>
    wrote:

    [...]
    There are currently no (functioning) dishes or aerials.  We're in a >>>>>>>>> marginal Freeview area for Sudbury. (Her house is close to ours)
    [...]

    Is streaming over the Internet a viable option? When I lived in a smallish >>>> village there was no TV reception and the Internet was supplied on a piece >>>> of damp string :-(

    I have Freeview and internet streaming, but if I had neither and had
    to start again from scratch with only one of them I would choose
    internet. Provided there is an internet service with sufficient speed
    for TV streaming, an Amazon stick or equivalent will provide the most
    services most quickly for the least expense.

    Provided... of course. I appreciate this may not apply in a village.

    OP here. We actually have rather good internet, at our house we have
    FTTC that bangs against the maximum speed endstops (80Mbs down 20Mbs up).
    I think our daughter's new house is close to a cabinet as well.

    Well there's your answer then. You can have thousands of radio and
    television channels and catchup services without any aerials or dishes
    ot other expensive installation at all. Just get a streaming device
    and try it out. In my opinion, this is what high speed internet is
    for. You certainly don't need 80Mb/s for email or Whatsapp.

    What about us dinosaurs who like to record stuff, possibly burning to
    DVD? I think that's more difficult with streaming. And avoiding adverts.

    --
    Max Demian

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  • From Roderick Stewart@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 5 13:21:26 2021
    On Sun, 5 Dec 2021 12:16:36 +0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com>
    wrote:

    On 05/12/2021 11:07, Roderick Stewart wrote:
    On Sat, 4 Dec 2021 17:11:18 +0000, Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
    Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On 4 Dec 2021 10:41:10 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> >>>> wrote:

    [...]
    There are currently no (functioning) dishes or aerials. We're in a >>>>>>>>>> marginal Freeview area for Sudbury. (Her house is close to ours) >>>> [...]

    Is streaming over the Internet a viable option? When I lived in a smallish
    village there was no TV reception and the Internet was supplied on a piece
    of damp string :-(

    I have Freeview and internet streaming, but if I had neither and had
    to start again from scratch with only one of them I would choose
    internet. Provided there is an internet service with sufficient speed
    for TV streaming, an Amazon stick or equivalent will provide the most
    services most quickly for the least expense.

    Provided... of course. I appreciate this may not apply in a village.

    OP here. We actually have rather good internet, at our house we have
    FTTC that bangs against the maximum speed endstops (80Mbs down 20Mbs up). >>> I think our daughter's new house is close to a cabinet as well.

    Well there's your answer then. You can have thousands of radio and
    television channels and catchup services without any aerials or dishes
    ot other expensive installation at all. Just get a streaming device
    and try it out. In my opinion, this is what high speed internet is
    for. You certainly don't need 80Mb/s for email or Whatsapp.

    What about us dinosaurs who like to record stuff, possibly burning to
    DVD? I think that's more difficult with streaming. And avoiding adverts.

    I have several boxes of DVD recordings I've never watched. It probably
    seemed worth doing at first, but I stopped bothering to save TV
    programmes on DVD many years ago when I realised I wasn't watching
    them and it was unlikely anyone else would ever want to watch them
    either. Then internet streaming became a thing, and it was clear there
    was even less point in saving stuff that was easily available already,
    most of it at higher quality than DVD.

    Netflix and Amazon material doesn't include adverts, and ITV and
    Channel 4 streaming services offer the option of watching without
    adverts for a small subscription fee.

    Rod.

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  • From Tony Gamble@21:1/5 to Max Demian on Sun Dec 5 15:06:55 2021
    On 05/12/2021 12:16, Max Demian wrote:


    What about us dinosaurs who like to record stuff, possibly burning to
    DVD? I think that's more difficult with streaming. And avoiding adverts.


    My Humax is not going to last forever and they now only make the
    Freeview version.

    I was wondering whether to replace it with whatever brand does Freesat
    when it eventually dies.

    Wondering as catch up is so all embracing and I download my films direct
    from the internet. I can get any film (almost) that has been made -
    totally free - on an Android app.

    Tony

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  • From Roderick Stewart@21:1/5 to tonygamble@compuserve.com on Sun Dec 5 17:15:37 2021
    On Sun, 5 Dec 2021 15:06:55 +0000, Tony Gamble
    <tonygamble@compuserve.com> wrote:

    On 05/12/2021 12:16, Max Demian wrote:


    What about us dinosaurs who like to record stuff, possibly burning to
    DVD? I think that's more difficult with streaming. And avoiding adverts.


    My Humax is not going to last forever and they now only make the
    Freeview version.

    I was wondering whether to replace it with whatever brand does Freesat
    when it eventually dies.

    Wondering as catch up is so all embracing and I download my films direct
    from the internet. I can get any film (almost) that has been made -
    totally free - on an Android app.

    Tony

    When my Freeview recorder fails, which it must do one day because it
    has moving parts, I definitely won't replace it with another.

    Rod.

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  • From nothanks@aolbin.com@21:1/5 to Tony Gamble on Sun Dec 5 17:28:14 2021
    On 05/12/2021 15:06, Tony Gamble wrote:
    On 05/12/2021 12:16, Max Demian wrote:


    What about us dinosaurs who like to record stuff, possibly burning to
    DVD? I think that's more difficult with streaming. And avoiding adverts.


    My Humax is not going to last forever and they now only make the
    Freeview version.

    I was wondering whether to replace it with whatever brand does Freesat
    when it eventually dies.

    Wondering as catch up is so all embracing and I download my films direct
    from the internet. I can get any film (almost) that has been made -
    totally free - on an Android app.

    Tony

    Care to name the App?

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  • From Tony Gamble@21:1/5 to nothanks@aolbin.com on Sun Dec 5 21:06:34 2021
    On 05/12/2021 17:28, nothanks@aolbin.com wrote:


    Care to name the App?

    Cinema HD.

    There are assorted clones that do not work but I think this is the
    genuine source

    https://cinemahdapkapp.com/v2-apks/

    Come back if you have problems.

    Don't forget it is Android so if you are using a PC you need something
    like Bluestacks.


    T

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  • From nothanks@aolbin.com@21:1/5 to Tony Gamble on Sun Dec 5 22:42:19 2021
    On 05/12/2021 21:06, Tony Gamble wrote:
    On 05/12/2021 17:28, nothanks@aolbin.com wrote:


    Care to name the App?

    Cinema HD.

    There are assorted clones that do not work but I think this is the
    genuine source

    https://cinemahdapkapp.com/v2-apks/

    Come back if you have problems.

    Don't forget it is Android so if you are using a PC you need something
    like Bluestacks.


    T
    Thanks, but cinemahd has lots of negative feedback on GooglePlay

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  • From SH@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 6 08:03:24 2021
    All the TV's with built in Freesat I have come across (LG, Toshiba, Medion and IIRC Samsung) all have non Freesat channels as well, indeed most of them have DiSEqC ability and can switch between four satellites!

    Which reminds me, how much to install a 90cm Wavefrontier toroidal dish, 13x4 or 16x4 multi-switch (walk up access to dish position)?




    There is a company https://www.satellitetveurope.co.uk/ where he will
    install wavefrontiers.

    https://www.satellitetveurope.co.uk/Toroidal%20Dishes.html

    I d-i-y-ed my Wavefrontier T90 with 5 quattro LNBs.

    one for Freesat which is combined with Freeview, FM, DAB and CCTV and
    fed into 2 off 5x16 multiswitches.

    The other 4 LNBs are on Astra 1 @ 19.2E, Hotbord @ 13.0E, Hispasat at
    30.0W and Eutelsat 5 at 5.0W and these four feed two off 17x16
    multiswitches.

    Its an impressive dish, you can put up to 16 LNB's on it and it covers
    an arc of somthing like 45 degrees so its possible to cover 12.5W to 28.2E

    Heres a calculattor on setting up the dish...

    https://satlex.de/en/wavefrontier_calc.html

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  • From Tony Gamble@21:1/5 to nothanks@aolbin.com on Mon Dec 6 09:34:41 2021
    On 05/12/2021 22:42, nothanks@aolbin.com wrote:

    T
    Thanks, but cinemahd has lots of negative feedback on GooglePlay

    Probably because the clone on GooglePlay does not work.

    Look at the version number on GooglePlay and the version on the link I
    sent you.

    The GooglePlay app is not the one I told you about - it is a bad clone.

    Trust me.

    Tony

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  • From Tony Gamble@21:1/5 to Tony Gamble on Mon Dec 6 12:04:03 2021
    On 06/12/2021 09:34, Tony Gamble wrote:


    The GooglePlay app is not the one I told you about - it is a bad clone.



    The app I use has v2(2.4.0)

    What you are seeing on GooglePlay is a v1 and not the same app at all.

    Follow my link with an Android device or put Bluestacks on your Windows PC.

    Tony

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  • From R. Mark Clayton@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 6 07:31:01 2021
    On Monday, 6 December 2021 at 08:03:28 UTC, SH wrote:
    All the TV's with built in Freesat I have come across (LG, Toshiba, Medion and IIRC Samsung) all have non Freesat channels as well, indeed most of them have DiSEqC ability and can switch between four satellites!

    Which reminds me, how much to install a 90cm Wavefrontier toroidal dish, 13x4 or 16x4 multi-switch (walk up access to dish position)?

    There is a company https://www.satellitetveurope.co.uk/ where he will
    install wavefrontiers.

    https://www.satellitetveurope.co.uk/Toroidal%20Dishes.html

    I d-i-y-ed my Wavefrontier T90 with 5 quattro LNBs.

    one for Freesat which is combined with Freeview, FM, DAB and CCTV and
    fed into 2 off 5x16 multiswitches.

    The other 4 LNBs are on Astra 1 @ 19.2E, Hotbord @ 13.0E, Hispasat at
    30.0W and Eutelsat 5 at 5.0W and these four feed two off 17x16
    multiswitches.

    Its an impressive dish, you can put up to 16 LNB's on it and it covers
    an arc of somthing like 45 degrees so its possible to cover 12.5W to 28.2E

    Heres a calculattor on setting up the dish...

    https://satlex.de/en/wavefrontier_calc.html

    Thanks. I would probably DIY it, as I DIY'ed my Fibo Gregorian dish in ~1997 and it was aligned correctly first time [using an astronomical method].

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  • From SH@21:1/5 to R. Mark Clayton on Mon Dec 6 20:00:25 2021
    On 06/12/2021 15:31, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
    On Monday, 6 December 2021 at 08:03:28 UTC, SH wrote:
    All the TV's with built in Freesat I have come across (LG, Toshiba, Medion and IIRC Samsung) all have non Freesat channels as well, indeed most of them have DiSEqC ability and can switch between four satellites!

    Which reminds me, how much to install a 90cm Wavefrontier toroidal dish, 13x4 or 16x4 multi-switch (walk up access to dish position)?

    There is a company https://www.satellitetveurope.co.uk/ where he will
    install wavefrontiers.

    https://www.satellitetveurope.co.uk/Toroidal%20Dishes.html

    I d-i-y-ed my Wavefrontier T90 with 5 quattro LNBs.

    one for Freesat which is combined with Freeview, FM, DAB and CCTV and
    fed into 2 off 5x16 multiswitches.

    The other 4 LNBs are on Astra 1 @ 19.2E, Hotbord @ 13.0E, Hispasat at
    30.0W and Eutelsat 5 at 5.0W and these four feed two off 17x16
    multiswitches.

    Its an impressive dish, you can put up to 16 LNB's on it and it covers
    an arc of somthing like 45 degrees so its possible to cover 12.5W to 28.2E >>
    Heres a calculattor on setting up the dish...

    https://satlex.de/en/wavefrontier_calc.html

    Thanks. I would probably DIY it, as I DIY'ed my Fibo Gregorian dish in ~1997 and it was aligned correctly first time [using an astronomical method].




    These dishes are heavy and have quite a significant wind capture area.

    You do need a substantional K & K bracket, I got mine from Blakes and
    had two of these:

    https://www.blake-uk.com/brackets-tk/36-k-welded-wall-bracket-galvanized.html

    Notice how they are braced left and right as well as at the bottom.

    Also you need a pole of a very specific outer diameter, if I recall
    correctly its 65 mm and I got it from Metals4u and the wall thickness
    was 3 mm and in aluminium. it was a 2 m long pole.

    I used penny washers as well to get teh K brackes flat and level on the
    wall.

    The K & K brackets were set about 1 m apart leaving 1 m of pole
    protruding. I cut off about 0.5 m so the dish then sat on top of the pole.

    The pole does not go past the dish's back bracket as such.

    It is mandatory you get the pole absolutely vertical..... :-)

    The first thing you have to set on the back of the dish is the tilt,
    which for my location is 14 degrees.

    Also, as its a double reflector design, the LNBs are on the other side
    of the cental LNB (when compared to any other dish with a multi lnb bracket.

    That Satlex calculator will tell you what the reading should be on the
    guide rail for the LNB and also what the rotation of the LNB is.


    Also you have to install LNB's from the centre and work outwards as the
    holders have to slide to the end of the rail so you can't just pop an
    LNB in between two already installed ones....

    I ran 20 CT100 coax cables from the T90 dish to my loft so its quite a significant bundle of cables.

    Good luck!


    :-)

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  • From R. Mark Clayton@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 7 03:07:36 2021
    On Monday, 6 December 2021 at 20:00:28 UTC, SH wrote:
    On 06/12/2021 15:31, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
    On Monday, 6 December 2021 at 08:03:28 UTC, SH wrote:
    All the TV's with built in Freesat I have come across (LG, Toshiba, Medion and IIRC Samsung) all have non Freesat channels as well, indeed most of them have DiSEqC ability and can switch between four satellites!

    Which reminds me, how much to install a 90cm Wavefrontier toroidal dish, 13x4 or 16x4 multi-switch (walk up access to dish position)?

    There is a company https://www.satellitetveurope.co.uk/ where he will
    install wavefrontiers.

    https://www.satellitetveurope.co.uk/Toroidal%20Dishes.html

    I d-i-y-ed my Wavefrontier T90 with 5 quattro LNBs.

    one for Freesat which is combined with Freeview, FM, DAB and CCTV and
    fed into 2 off 5x16 multiswitches.

    The other 4 LNBs are on Astra 1 @ 19.2E, Hotbord @ 13.0E, Hispasat at
    30.0W and Eutelsat 5 at 5.0W and these four feed two off 17x16
    multiswitches.

    Its an impressive dish, you can put up to 16 LNB's on it and it covers
    an arc of somthing like 45 degrees so its possible to cover 12.5W to 28.2E

    Heres a calculattor on setting up the dish...

    https://satlex.de/en/wavefrontier_calc.html

    Thanks. I would probably DIY it, as I DIY'ed my Fibo Gregorian dish in ~1997 and it was aligned correctly first time [using an astronomical method].

    These dishes are heavy and have quite a significant wind capture area.

    You do need a substantional K & K bracket, I got mine from Blakes and
    had two of these:

    https://www.blake-uk.com/brackets-tk/36-k-welded-wall-bracket-galvanized.html

    Notice how they are braced left and right as well as at the bottom.

    Also you need a pole of a very specific outer diameter, if I recall correctly its 65 mm and I got it from Metals4u and the wall thickness
    was 3 mm and in aluminium. it was a 2 m long pole.

    I used penny washers as well to get teh K brackes flat and level on the wall.

    The K & K brackets were set about 1 m apart leaving 1 m of pole
    protruding. I cut off about 0.5 m so the dish then sat on top of the pole.

    The pole does not go past the dish's back bracket as such.

    It is mandatory you get the pole absolutely vertical..... :-)

    The first thing you have to set on the back of the dish is the tilt,
    which for my location is 14 degrees.

    Also, as its a double reflector design, the LNBs are on the other side
    of the cental LNB (when compared to any other dish with a multi lnb bracket.

    That Satlex calculator will tell you what the reading should be on the
    guide rail for the LNB and also what the rotation of the LNB is.


    Also you have to install LNB's from the centre and work outwards as the holders have to slide to the end of the rail so you can't just pop an
    LNB in between two already installed ones....

    I ran 20 CT100 coax cables from the T90 dish to my loft so its quite a significant bundle of cables.

    Good luck!


    :-)

    Thanks - the Fibo dish was ~1.2m x 1m and is also Gregorian. The pole had to be robust and vertical (and mounting the [heavy] dish deflected the pole which had to be compensated for).

    Fortunately the location is on my patio, so I can just walk up to the dish - no working on ladders.

    The Fibo mount was calibrated for latitude and declination, so knowing true south was only alignment issue, which I worked out using Skymap.

    The rotation of the Fibo dish compensates for the skew of the satellites, although the original LNB allowed this to be adjusted.

    The cables may be a problem, so I am looking at fibre LNB's, but they are £££ each. Also might only fit 3 LNB's.

    <smug>
    There was an amusing end to installation. Having set the limits and interpolated the position of Astra 19E, I moved the dish to point there and went and switched on my receiver (Strong), TV and tuned $ky News. Blue screen! I was just about to give up
    for the day when I realised there was sound, but no picture, moreover it sounded like news. A quick delve in the receiver's settings revealed that because it was a $ky channel the video was being sent by default to a decoder I did not have. Switched to
    direct and hey presto perfect picture. Got stuff from ~42E to ~45W.
    <end smug>

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  • From SH@21:1/5 to R. Mark Clayton on Tue Dec 7 11:48:35 2021
    On 07/12/2021 11:07, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
    On Monday, 6 December 2021 at 20:00:28 UTC, SH wrote:
    On 06/12/2021 15:31, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
    On Monday, 6 December 2021 at 08:03:28 UTC, SH wrote:
    All the TV's with built in Freesat I have come across (LG, Toshiba, Medion and IIRC Samsung) all have non Freesat channels as well, indeed most of them have DiSEqC ability and can switch between four satellites!

    Which reminds me, how much to install a 90cm Wavefrontier toroidal dish, 13x4 or 16x4 multi-switch (walk up access to dish position)?

    There is a company https://www.satellitetveurope.co.uk/ where he will
    install wavefrontiers.

    https://www.satellitetveurope.co.uk/Toroidal%20Dishes.html

    I d-i-y-ed my Wavefrontier T90 with 5 quattro LNBs.

    one for Freesat which is combined with Freeview, FM, DAB and CCTV and
    fed into 2 off 5x16 multiswitches.

    The other 4 LNBs are on Astra 1 @ 19.2E, Hotbord @ 13.0E, Hispasat at
    30.0W and Eutelsat 5 at 5.0W and these four feed two off 17x16
    multiswitches.

    Its an impressive dish, you can put up to 16 LNB's on it and it covers >>>> an arc of somthing like 45 degrees so its possible to cover 12.5W to 28.2E >>>>
    Heres a calculattor on setting up the dish...

    https://satlex.de/en/wavefrontier_calc.html

    Thanks. I would probably DIY it, as I DIY'ed my Fibo Gregorian dish in ~1997 and it was aligned correctly first time [using an astronomical method].

    These dishes are heavy and have quite a significant wind capture area.

    You do need a substantional K & K bracket, I got mine from Blakes and
    had two of these:

    https://www.blake-uk.com/brackets-tk/36-k-welded-wall-bracket-galvanized.html

    Notice how they are braced left and right as well as at the bottom.

    Also you need a pole of a very specific outer diameter, if I recall
    correctly its 65 mm and I got it from Metals4u and the wall thickness
    was 3 mm and in aluminium. it was a 2 m long pole.

    I used penny washers as well to get teh K brackes flat and level on the
    wall.

    The K & K brackets were set about 1 m apart leaving 1 m of pole
    protruding. I cut off about 0.5 m so the dish then sat on top of the pole. >>
    The pole does not go past the dish's back bracket as such.

    It is mandatory you get the pole absolutely vertical..... :-)

    The first thing you have to set on the back of the dish is the tilt,
    which for my location is 14 degrees.

    Also, as its a double reflector design, the LNBs are on the other side
    of the cental LNB (when compared to any other dish with a multi lnb bracket. >>
    That Satlex calculator will tell you what the reading should be on the
    guide rail for the LNB and also what the rotation of the LNB is.


    Also you have to install LNB's from the centre and work outwards as the
    holders have to slide to the end of the rail so you can't just pop an
    LNB in between two already installed ones....

    I ran 20 CT100 coax cables from the T90 dish to my loft so its quite a
    significant bundle of cables.

    Good luck!


    :-)

    Thanks - the Fibo dish was ~1.2m x 1m and is also Gregorian. The pole had to be robust and vertical (and mounting the [heavy] dish deflected the pole which had to be compensated for).



    When I took a look at the optional wall mount for the Wavefrontier T90,
    its essentially a pole bent into a swan neck with two thin metal side
    straps and uses just 3 bolts to attach to the wall. I was not impressed
    with the design so thats why I went down the double K and ally pole route.
    The cables may be a problem, so I am looking at fibre LNB's, but they
    are £££ each. Also might only fit 3 LNB's.
    Yes, the main brand of fibre LNBs I see is Global Invacom.

    Have you considered IP lnb's? they are not easy to find, Triax, inverto
    are the main manufacturers.

    They connect via ethernet and can be thought of as 8 "tuners" within the
    LNB and you use a Sat>IP compliant set top box or an app such as VLC,
    PlexTV, TVheadened etc.

    It does away with all co-axial cables and you effectively use ethernet
    to connect it all up.

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  • From SH@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 8 08:55:20 2021

    :-)

    Thanks - the Fibo dish was ~1.2m x 1m and is also Gregorian.  The pole
    had to be robust and vertical (and mounting the [heavy] dish deflected
    the pole which had to be compensated for).



    When I took a look at the optional wall mount for the Wavefrontier T90,
    its essentially a pole bent into a swan neck with two thin metal side
    straps and uses just 3 bolts to attach to the wall.  I was not impressed with the design so thats why I went down the double K and ally pole route.
    The cables may be a problem, so I am looking at fibre LNB's, but they
    are £££ each.  Also might only fit 3 LNB's.
    Yes, the main brand of fibre LNBs I see is Global Invacom.

    Have you considered IP lnb's? they are not easy to find, Triax, inverto
    are the main manufacturers.

    They connect via ethernet and can be thought of as 8 "tuners" within the
    LNB and you use a Sat>IP compliant set top box or an app such as VLC,
    PlexTV, TVheadened etc.

    It does away with all co-axial cables and you effectively use ethernet
    to connect it all up.



    P.S......

    If youa re looking to get two adjacent satellite positions 3 degrees
    apart, some LNB feedhorns are physically too bulky to get them that
    close together.

    I use bullet nose LNB's:

    see

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/ALPS-Bullet-Nose-Universal-0-4dB-HD-Ready-DVB-S2-Single-LNB-/254532085851

    http://hisat.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=96

    They have 40 mm collars.

    The Wavefrontier T90 also comes with 40 mm to 23 mm LNB collar adapters
    so you could use 23mm inverto LNBs:

    https://www.satellitesuperstore.com/quadlnb.htm#invertonarrowquad

    Some installs I have seen around the web:

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Wavefrontier+t90&atb=v257-1&iax=images&ia=images

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  • From R. Mark Clayton@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 9 03:19:38 2021
    On Wednesday, 8 December 2021 at 08:55:22 UTC, SH wrote:

    :-)

    SNIP
    Yes, the main brand of fibre LNBs I see is Global Invacom.

    Ah yes - I can't get am Invacom quad C120 LNB anymore, to replace a failing one.
    OTOH it worked fine when frozen, so I suspect I failed to dry it out sufficiently in the summer or it leaks.


    Have you considered IP lnb's? they are not easy to find, Triax, inverto
    are the main manufacturers.

    Thanks - I will check this out. https://www.inverto.tv/lnb/140/8-channel-satip-lnb-with-poe-adapter?locale=en but none available, even on Amazon. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Inverto-IDLI-8CHE20-OOPOE-OSP-iLNB-23mm-Kanal/dp/B00MEOZEMY


    They connect via ethernet and can be thought of as 8 "tuners" within the LNB and you use a Sat>IP compliant set top box or an app such as VLC, PlexTV, TVheadened etc.

    It does away with all co-axial cables and you effectively use ethernet
    to connect it all up.


    P.S......

    If youa re looking to get two adjacent satellite positions 3 degrees
    apart, some LNB feedhorns are physically too bulky to get them that
    close together.

    Basically 28E, 19E, 13E and ANO - so should be OK.


    I use bullet nose LNB's:

    see

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/ALPS-Bullet-Nose-Universal-0-4dB-HD-Ready-DVB-S2-Single-LNB-/254532085851

    http://hisat.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=96

    They have 40 mm collars.

    The Wavefrontier T90 also comes with 40 mm to 23 mm LNB collar adapters
    so you could use 23mm inverto LNBs:

    https://www.satellitesuperstore.com/quadlnb.htm#invertonarrowquad

    Some installs I have seen around the web:

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Wavefrontier+t90&atb=v257-1&iax=images&ia=images

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  • From Marland@21:1/5 to Roderick Stewart on Thu Dec 9 17:03:20 2021
    Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On 4 Dec 2021 10:41:10 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk>
    wrote:


    Is streaming over the Internet a viable option? When I lived in a smallish >> village there was no TV reception and the Internet was supplied on a piece >> of damp string :-(




    I have Freeview and internet streaming, but if I had neither and had
    to start again from scratch with only one of them I would choose
    internet. Provided there is an internet service with sufficient speed
    for TV streaming, an Amazon stick or equivalent will provide the most services most quickly for the least expense.

    Provided... of course. I appreciate this may not apply in a village.

    Rod.


    If its the Village where J Gaines used to be a Parish Councillor the TV
    signal is still marginal but the Broadband arrived a few years ago and
    fibre to cabinet about 2 years back.
    One of the recent storms took down our aerial (lashing snapped ) but it
    still worked reasonably well for major channels lying down .That prompted
    me on the walk to the Pub to look at others aerials and I was surprised to
    see how many do not have one now so must be using a dish or over the broadband.
    Certainly some are just using the broadband as the same storm knocked out
    the broadband to half the village for about 3 days which caused anguish to some.
    I would always like to keep some other means of reception possible in
    case of line failure wether that is terrestial or satellite.
    At least our replacement aerial is now able to take advantage of the
    Vertical Polarisation from Rowridge that came after the casualty was
    installed and is a lot smaller so less loading on the 10ft pole that most
    here need to get terrestrial.

    GH

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to Marland on Thu Dec 9 17:22:26 2021
    On 09/12/2021 in message <j1er6nFoj5bU1@mid.individual.net> Marland wrote:

    If its the Village where J Gaines used to be a Parish Councillor the TV >signal is still marginal but the Broadband arrived a few years ago and
    fibre to cabinet about 2 years back.

    Goodness me do you live in Damerham?

    I am hoping to move back to SP6 over the next few weeks, can't afford
    Damerham now though!

    --
    Jeff Gaines Wiltshire UK
    Indecision is the key to flexibility

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  • From Marland@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Fri Dec 10 15:52:39 2021
    Jeff Gaines <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
    On 09/12/2021 in message <j1er6nFoj5bU1@mid.individual.net> Marland wrote:

    If its the Village where J Gaines used to be a Parish Councillor the TV
    signal is still marginal but the Broadband arrived a few years ago and
    fibre to cabinet about 2 years back.

    Goodness me do you live in Damerham?

    I am hoping to move back to SP6 over the next few weeks, can't afford Damerham now though!


    Yes , I ‘m not sure how long the overlap was before you moved but I did
    reply once ( under a different user name )when you used to use the village
    name in your sig using something like “from another bit of Damerham” but I cannot recall what the post subject was. Though I believe another post was about installing a satellite dish as where you lived is a conservation
    area.
    Your nearish neighbour at Crossways Farm now has so many Christmas
    lights around it that he gives Blackpool a run for its money.

    GH

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  • From Shiva Yadav@21:1/5 to Marland on Fri Feb 18 01:34:01 2022
    On Friday, December 10, 2021 at 9:22:41 PM UTC+5:30, Marland wrote:
    Jeff Gaines <jgaines...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
    On 09/12/2021 in message <j1er6n...@mid.individual.net> Marland wrote:

    If its the Village where J Gaines used to be a Parish Councillor the TV >> signal is still marginal but the Broadband arrived a few years ago and
    fibre to cabinet about 2 years back.

    Goodness me do you live in Damerham?

    I am hoping to move back to SP6 over the next few weeks, can't afford Damerham now though!

    Yes , I ‘m not sure how long the overlap was before you moved but I did reply once ( under a different user name )when you used to use the village name in your sig using something like “from another bit of Damerham” but I
    cannot recall what the post subject was. Though I believe another post was about installing a satellite dish as where you lived is a conservation
    area.
    Your nearish neighbour at Crossways Farm now has so many Christmas
    lights around it that he gives Blackpool a run for its money.

    GH
    There is and always will be. This has also happened in the past
    The movie I wanted to see was in the Midlands, not London, etc.
    It won't change much. But I was really disappointed
    Freeview, many renovations and a lot of rubbish come back from the country Small value in addition to filling the system space.
    How much does it cost to show someone a camera
    the home?
    https://beetvapp.me/ http://moviehd.onl/
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  • From Brian Gregory@21:1/5 to Chris Green on Fri Feb 18 14:33:27 2022
    On 03/12/2021 17:04, Chris Green wrote:
    As a final rider, is she right to want both Freeview and Freesat or
    would Freesat provide everything except a few weird/marginal channels?

    Well it's always good to have a backup, but there is very little left
    now that is on Freeview but not on Freesat. I /think/ it's just any
    Local channel you may have for your area and one radio station for the
    blind.

    Local TV: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_television_in_the_United_Kingdom#Local_TV_variations_in_2021>

    --
    Brian Gregory (in England).

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  • From crazy robert@21:1/5 to Brian Gregory on Tue Mar 1 09:24:02 2022
    On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 8:03:30 PM UTC+5:30, Brian Gregory wrote:
    On 03/12/2021 17:04, Chris Green wrote:
    As a final rider, is she right to want both Freeview and Freesat or
    would Freesat provide everything except a few weird/marginal channels?

    Well it's always good to have a backup, but there is very little left
    now that is on Freeview but not on Freesat. I /think/ it's just any
    Local channel you may have for your area and one radio station for the blind.

    Local TV: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_television_in_the_United_Kingdom#Local_TV_variations_in_2021>

    --
    Brian Gregory (in England).

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  • From Freeviw Official@21:1/5 to crazy robert on Fri Mar 11 01:55:19 2022
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    On Tuesday, 1 March 2022 at 22:54:03 UTC+5:30, crazy robert wrote:
    On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 8:03:30 PM UTC+5:30, Brian Gregory wrote:
    On 03/12/2021 17:04, Chris Green wrote:
    As a final rider, is she right to want both Freeview and Freesat or would Freesat provide everything except a few weird/marginal channels?

    Well it's always good to have a backup, but there is very little left
    now that is on Freeview but not on Freesat. I /think/ it's just any
    Local channel you may have for your area and one radio station for the blind.

    Local TV: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_television_in_the_United_Kingdom#Local_TV_variations_in_2021>

    --
    Brian Gregory (in England).
    One of my friends have been using cinema hd v2 (the most latest version) and told me that he is having great experience with cinema hd despite having some sort of mixed opinions about the app. Here is the link for cinema hd apk - https://cinemahdapk.
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  • From kiwisbrown@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 19 15:45:59 2023
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  • From James Wilson@21:1/5 to Chris Green on Fri May 5 11:34:21 2023
    On Friday, 3 December 2021 at 22:48:04 UTC+5:30, Chris Green wrote:
    My daughter is in the process of moving into a new (to her) house.
    She wants both Freeview and Freesat in three rooms.

    There are currently no (functioning) dishes or aerials. We're in a
    marginal Freeview area for Sudbury. (Her house is close to ours)

    So what sort of ballpark costs should she expect, preferably with the Freeview and Freesat costs separated (though can they use a common
    'box'?)

    She has 'dumb' TVs to show the pictures (HDMI inputs).


    As a final rider, is she right to want both Freeview and Freesat or
    would Freesat provide everything except a few weird/marginal channels?

    --
    Chris Green
    ·
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