• on line free channels

    From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 23 10:26:01 2021
    Being a Samsung TV as many know there are a lot of extra online channels,
    from Pluto tv and others. Some are in fact quite interesting, but their commercials seem a bit ad hoc to me.
    Some have a definite digital noise in the sound channel, similar to
    trunking radio sounds if tuned into by a scanner on fm, Sometimes there are long periods of nothing or little jingles playing or commercials simply repeated several times. Seems very amateurish.

    Shame also there is nothing up there with audio description as some films
    would be very watchable if there was.
    Brian

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  • From Indy Jess John@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 23 13:31:40 2021
    On 23/11/2021 10:26, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
    Sometimes there are
    long periods of nothing or little jingles playing or commercials simply repeated several times.

    They could be test transmissions. I remember when Classics FM was due to
    start, there was hours of birdsong transmitted before the programmes
    finally launched.

    Jim

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to Indy Jess John on Tue Nov 23 13:50:38 2021
    In article <sniqft$1qb$1@dont-email.me>,
    Indy Jess John <bathwatchdog@OMITTHISgooglemail.com> wrote:
    On 23/11/2021 10:26, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
    Sometimes there are
    long periods of nothing or little jingles playing or commercials simply repeated several times.

    They could be test transmissions. I remember when Classics FM was due to start, there was hours of birdsong transmitted before the programmes
    finally launched.

    Jim

    When the Engineering Test Transmissions for one of the London ILR services finished, there was a letter in the London Evening paper saying "For weeks
    we have lovely music, apparently chosen by engineers. Please could the engineers chose all the programmes."

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  • From Woody@21:1/5 to charles on Tue Nov 23 15:43:47 2021
    On Tue 23/11/2021 13:50, charles wrote:
    In article <sniqft$1qb$1@dont-email.me>,
    Indy Jess John <bathwatchdog@OMITTHISgooglemail.com> wrote:
    On 23/11/2021 10:26, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
    Sometimes there are
    long periods of nothing or little jingles playing or commercials simply
    repeated several times.

    They could be test transmissions. I remember when Classics FM was due to
    start, there was hours of birdsong transmitted before the programmes
    finally launched.

    Jim

    When the Engineering Test Transmissions for one of the London ILR services finished, there was a letter in the London Evening paper saying "For weeks
    we have lovely music, apparently chosen by engineers. Please could the engineers chose all the programmes."


    I would most certainly not argue with that!

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to charles on Tue Nov 23 17:50:22 2021
    On 23/11/2021 13:50, charles wrote:
    In article <sniqft$1qb$1@dont-email.me>,
    Indy Jess John <bathwatchdog@OMITTHISgooglemail.com> wrote:
    On 23/11/2021 10:26, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
    Sometimes there are
    long periods of nothing or little jingles playing or commercials simply
    repeated several times.

    They could be test transmissions. I remember when Classics FM was due to
    start, there was hours of birdsong transmitted before the programmes
    finally launched.

    Jim

    When the Engineering Test Transmissions for one of the London ILR services finished, there was a letter in the London Evening paper saying "For weeks
    we have lovely music, apparently chosen by engineers. Please could the engineers chose all the programmes."

    I still have my tape of the Classic FM test transmission, labelled
    "Country Sounds". I also have many tapes of the Heart Radio test
    transmissions, which consisted of many hours of continuous pop music
    (without commercials); and similar tapes of what Time Radio put out when
    they were having difficulties.

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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to Woody on Wed Nov 24 10:10:58 2021
    One of the really annoying things about commercial tv and radio is that the output is based not on what the public want, but what the advertisers want
    and in some cases pay for making. The advertising industry does not know
    what the public want only what they want to flog certain people who are
    deemed to have expendable cash. Thus the cuddly sort of radio and TV never
    get a look in. Its either cheap trash or dramas that tick as many inclusion boxes as possible than t contains at least some sex and violence.
    Brian

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    "Woody" <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:snj27j$va0$1@dont-email.me...
    On Tue 23/11/2021 13:50, charles wrote:
    In article <sniqft$1qb$1@dont-email.me>,
    Indy Jess John <bathwatchdog@OMITTHISgooglemail.com> wrote:
    On 23/11/2021 10:26, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
    Sometimes there are
    long periods of nothing or little jingles playing or commercials simply >>>> repeated several times.

    They could be test transmissions. I remember when Classics FM was due to >>> start, there was hours of birdsong transmitted before the programmes
    finally launched.

    Jim

    When the Engineering Test Transmissions for one of the London ILR
    services
    finished, there was a letter in the London Evening paper saying "For
    weeks
    we have lovely music, apparently chosen by engineers. Please could the
    engineers chose all the programmes."


    I would most certainly not argue with that!


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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to Indy Jess John on Wed Nov 24 10:04:49 2021
    No not in this case. These are TV channels often having films on them of or running old series, like Myth busters or GPs behind closed doors or old
    nature and explorer stuff, though some of it is not really more than a few years old and certainly some films were probably direct to video type ones
    but not bad at all.
    Brian

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    "Indy Jess John" <bathwatchdog@OMITTHISgooglemail.com> wrote in message news:sniqft$1qb$1@dont-email.me...
    On 23/11/2021 10:26, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
    Sometimes there are
    long periods of nothing or little jingles playing or commercials simply
    repeated several times.

    They could be test transmissions. I remember when Classics FM was due to start, there was hours of birdsong transmitted before the programmes
    finally launched.

    Jim


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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to charles on Wed Nov 24 10:06:43 2021
    Yes this goes back to the old test card days, when people used to record the sound channels merely due to the easy listening music. Now of course you can get albums of it quite cheaply.


    Brian

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    "charles" <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote in message news:598fe7d1f9charles@candehope.me.uk...
    In article <sniqft$1qb$1@dont-email.me>,
    Indy Jess John <bathwatchdog@OMITTHISgooglemail.com> wrote:
    On 23/11/2021 10:26, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
    Sometimes there are
    long periods of nothing or little jingles playing or commercials simply
    repeated several times.

    They could be test transmissions. I remember when Classics FM was due to
    start, there was hours of birdsong transmitted before the programmes
    finally launched.

    Jim

    When the Engineering Test Transmissions for one of the London ILR services finished, there was a letter in the London Evening paper saying "For weeks
    we have lovely music, apparently chosen by engineers. Please could the engineers chose all the programmes."

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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 24 10:15:07 2021
    Yes it was fun in the early days before the big boys bought most of them up,
    as I had a rota Fuba 5 element fm aerial that could pick up all the new stations in and around the south of the UK pretty well.
    Unfortunately, these days its just banal 'safe' pop and it just washes over
    me if I'm forced to listen to it, and mostly at night its just a juke box or some presenter from home with play station studio and a link to the server voice tracking an all nighter in about 30 minutes.
    Brian

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    "Max Demian" <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote in message news:Lvidnf3nCLl8tAD8nZ2dnUU78cudnZ2d@brightview.co.uk...
    On 23/11/2021 13:50, charles wrote:
    In article <sniqft$1qb$1@dont-email.me>,
    Indy Jess John <bathwatchdog@OMITTHISgooglemail.com> wrote:
    On 23/11/2021 10:26, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
    Sometimes there are
    long periods of nothing or little jingles playing or commercials simply >>>> repeated several times.

    They could be test transmissions. I remember when Classics FM was due to >>> start, there was hours of birdsong transmitted before the programmes
    finally launched.

    Jim

    When the Engineering Test Transmissions for one of the London ILR
    services
    finished, there was a letter in the London Evening paper saying "For
    weeks
    we have lovely music, apparently chosen by engineers. Please could the
    engineers chose all the programmes."

    I still have my tape of the Classic FM test transmission, labelled
    "Country Sounds". I also have many tapes of the Heart Radio test transmissions, which consisted of many hours of continuous pop music
    (without commercials); and similar tapes of what Time Radio put out when
    they were having difficulties.

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  • From Michael Chare@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 24 22:24:23 2021
    On 23/11/2021 10:26, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
    Being a Samsung TV as many know there are a lot of extra online channels, from Pluto tv and others. Some are in fact quite interesting, but their commercials seem a bit ad hoc to me.
    Some have a definite digital noise in the sound channel, similar to trunking radio sounds if tuned into by a scanner on fm, Sometimes there are long periods of nothing or little jingles playing or commercials simply repeated several times. Seems very amateurish.

    Shame also there is nothing up there with audio description as some films would be very watchable if there was.
    Brian


    I have a LED Samsung TV I bought in 2011. It now can't even receive the Netflix login page due to some change Netflix made to the way their transmission works.


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  • From Roderick Stewart@21:1/5 to mUNDERSCOREnews@chareDO.Torg.uk on Thu Nov 25 10:14:00 2021
    On Wed, 24 Nov 2021 22:24:23 +0000, Michael Chare <mUNDERSCOREnews@chareDO.Torg.uk> wrote:

    On 23/11/2021 10:26, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
    Being a Samsung TV as many know there are a lot of extra online channels,
    from Pluto tv and others. Some are in fact quite interesting, but their
    commercials seem a bit ad hoc to me.
    Some have a definite digital noise in the sound channel, similar to
    trunking radio sounds if tuned into by a scanner on fm, Sometimes there are >> long periods of nothing or little jingles playing or commercials simply
    repeated several times. Seems very amateurish.

    Shame also there is nothing up there with audio description as some films
    would be very watchable if there was.
    Brian


    I have a LED Samsung TV I bought in 2011. It now can't even receive the >Netflix login page due to some change Netflix made to the way their >transmission works.

    Don't bother with the streaming functions built into TV sets. They're
    never as good as separate devices.

    A week or two ago I needed to replace the remote control on my old
    Amazon Fire TV box and couldn't get an exact replacement, but was able
    to get a new TV Stick for £16.99, and I see that their Black Friday
    price for it today is only £14.99. That's a complete streaming kit
    including a remote control for about the price I was expecting to pay
    for a replacement remote on its own (if I could have got one). This
    cheapest one only does 1920x1080 but it works very well, and there are
    also 4K versions if you want to pay a bit more. At that sort of price
    I've bought things out of what I call the "curiosity budget" just to
    see what they can do. Go on - it's nearly Christmas.

    Rod.

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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to Michael Chare on Fri Nov 26 12:07:00 2021
    Mine is 2020 and still works but I do not subscribe to any of the paid channels. I'd have thought that the app would be updatable on most Samsungs, although its supposed to be their own operating system all the stuff looks
    like Android to me.
    Brian

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    "Michael Chare" <mUNDERSCOREnews@chareDO.Torg.uk> wrote in message news:snme2q$bk8$1@dont-email.me...
    On 23/11/2021 10:26, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
    Being a Samsung TV as many know there are a lot of extra online channels,
    from Pluto tv and others. Some are in fact quite interesting, but their
    commercials seem a bit ad hoc to me.
    Some have a definite digital noise in the sound channel, similar to
    trunking radio sounds if tuned into by a scanner on fm, Sometimes there
    are
    long periods of nothing or little jingles playing or commercials simply
    repeated several times. Seems very amateurish.

    Shame also there is nothing up there with audio description as some films
    would be very watchable if there was.
    Brian


    I have a LED Samsung TV I bought in 2011. It now can't even receive the Netflix login page due to some change Netflix made to the way their transmission works.


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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to Roderick Stewart on Fri Nov 26 12:09:25 2021
    Yes always good as a back up anyway if you want all that. Also of course it
    has voiceview and alexa built in as standard so they can be used if you are blind as well.
    Brian

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    "Roderick Stewart" <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message news:vdnupg545g88fb6uabksbt0k97m3t53emk@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 24 Nov 2021 22:24:23 +0000, Michael Chare <mUNDERSCOREnews@chareDO.Torg.uk> wrote:

    On 23/11/2021 10:26, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
    Being a Samsung TV as many know there are a lot of extra online
    channels,
    from Pluto tv and others. Some are in fact quite interesting, but their
    commercials seem a bit ad hoc to me.
    Some have a definite digital noise in the sound channel, similar to
    trunking radio sounds if tuned into by a scanner on fm, Sometimes there
    are
    long periods of nothing or little jingles playing or commercials simply
    repeated several times. Seems very amateurish.

    Shame also there is nothing up there with audio description as some
    films
    would be very watchable if there was.
    Brian


    I have a LED Samsung TV I bought in 2011. It now can't even receive the >>Netflix login page due to some change Netflix made to the way their >>transmission works.

    Don't bother with the streaming functions built into TV sets. They're
    never as good as separate devices.

    A week or two ago I needed to replace the remote control on my old
    Amazon Fire TV box and couldn't get an exact replacement, but was able
    to get a new TV Stick for £16.99, and I see that their Black Friday
    price for it today is only £14.99. That's a complete streaming kit
    including a remote control for about the price I was expecting to pay
    for a replacement remote on its own (if I could have got one). This
    cheapest one only does 1920x1080 but it works very well, and there are
    also 4K versions if you want to pay a bit more. At that sort of price
    I've bought things out of what I call the "curiosity budget" just to
    see what they can do. Go on - it's nearly Christmas.

    Rod.

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  • From Pamela@21:1/5 to Roderick Stewart on Sat Dec 4 14:34:51 2021
    On 10:14 25 Nov 2021, Roderick Stewart said:

    On Wed, 24 Nov 2021 22:24:23 +0000, Michael Chare <mUNDERSCOREnews@chareDO.Torg.uk> wrote:

    On 23/11/2021 10:26, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
    Being a Samsung TV as many know there are a lot of extra online
    channels, from Pluto tv and others. Some are in fact quite
    interesting, but their commercials seem a bit ad hoc to me.
    Some have a definite digital noise in the sound channel, similar
    to
    trunking radio sounds if tuned into by a scanner on fm, Sometimes
    there are long periods of nothing or little jingles playing or
    commercials simply repeated several times. Seems very amateurish.

    Shame also there is nothing up there with audio description as
    some films would be very watchable if there was.
    Brian


    I have a LED Samsung TV I bought in 2011. It now can't even receive
    the Netflix login page due to some change Netflix made to the way
    their transmission works.

    Don't bother with the streaming functions built into TV sets.
    They're never as good as separate devices.

    A week or two ago I needed to replace the remote control on my old
    Amazon Fire TV box and couldn't get an exact replacement, but was
    able to get a new TV Stick for £16.99, and I see that their Black
    Friday price for it today is only £14.99. That's a complete
    streaming kit including a remote control for about the price I was
    expecting to pay for a replacement remote on its own (if I could
    have got one). This cheapest one only does 1920x1080 but it works
    very well, and there are also 4K versions if you want to pay a bit
    more. At that sort of price I've bought things out of what I call
    the "curiosity budget" just to see what they can do. Go on - it's
    nearly Christmas.

    Rod.

    I have a couple of Fire tv sticks and use them for almost all viewing.
    However they can get laggy, despite all the tricks and tips on web
    pages.

    To reduce this in future I would get as powerful a stick as you can
    afford rather than the most basic model.

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  • From Roderick Stewart@21:1/5 to pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com on Sun Dec 5 10:50:05 2021
    On Sat, 04 Dec 2021 14:34:51 GMT, Pamela
    <pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 10:14 25 Nov 2021, Roderick Stewart said:

    On Wed, 24 Nov 2021 22:24:23 +0000, Michael Chare
    <mUNDERSCOREnews@chareDO.Torg.uk> wrote:

    On 23/11/2021 10:26, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
    Being a Samsung TV as many know there are a lot of extra online
    channels, from Pluto tv and others. Some are in fact quite
    interesting, but their commercials seem a bit ad hoc to me.
    Some have a definite digital noise in the sound channel, similar
    to
    trunking radio sounds if tuned into by a scanner on fm, Sometimes
    there are long periods of nothing or little jingles playing or
    commercials simply repeated several times. Seems very amateurish.

    Shame also there is nothing up there with audio description as
    some films would be very watchable if there was.
    Brian


    I have a LED Samsung TV I bought in 2011. It now can't even receive
    the Netflix login page due to some change Netflix made to the way
    their transmission works.

    Don't bother with the streaming functions built into TV sets.
    They're never as good as separate devices.

    A week or two ago I needed to replace the remote control on my old
    Amazon Fire TV box and couldn't get an exact replacement, but was
    able to get a new TV Stick for £16.99, and I see that their Black
    Friday price for it today is only £14.99. That's a complete
    streaming kit including a remote control for about the price I was
    expecting to pay for a replacement remote on its own (if I could
    have got one). This cheapest one only does 1920x1080 but it works
    very well, and there are also 4K versions if you want to pay a bit
    more. At that sort of price I've bought things out of what I call
    the "curiosity budget" just to see what they can do. Go on - it's
    nearly Christmas.

    Rod.

    I have a couple of Fire tv sticks and use them for almost all viewing. >However they can get laggy, despite all the tricks and tips on web
    pages.

    To reduce this in future I would get as powerful a stick as you can
    afford rather than the most basic model.

    Or an Nvidia Shield, as long as you don't want to watch All4, because
    there isn't an app for it. It's possible using a browser, of which
    several are available, but it's a fiddly process, which is why I keep
    an Amazon device just for this one channel.

    The quality of what you *can* watch on the Shield is superb though,
    and even if the resolution of the material is lower than your TV, it
    does a very good job of upscaling it so it looks sharper.

    Rod.

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  • From Tony Gamble@21:1/5 to Roderick Stewart on Sun Dec 5 12:05:51 2021
    On 05/12/2021 10:50, Roderick Stewart wrote:

    Or an Nvidia Shield, as long as you don't want to watch All4, because
    there isn't an app for it. It's possible using a browser, of which
    several are available, but it's a fiddly process, which is why I keep
    an Amazon device just for this one channel.

    The quality of what you *can* watch on the Shield is superb though,
    and even if the resolution of the material is lower than your TV, it
    does a very good job of upscaling it so it looks sharper.

    Rod.


    The Shield is well worth the money. Great quality.

    I also download 4k films using an Android app on my PC and it's like
    being at the cinema without the rattling of bags of popcorn. I hooked a discarded HDD to the Shield so I can download films and then watch them
    later.

    I've lost track of what tv the OP has but the Shield has no problem
    feeding 4k standard.

    Tony

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  • From Pamela@21:1/5 to Roderick Stewart on Sun Dec 5 13:45:05 2021
    On 10:50 5 Dec 2021, Roderick Stewart said:

    On Sat, 04 Dec 2021 14:34:51 GMT, Pamela
    <pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 10:14 25 Nov 2021, Roderick Stewart said:

    On Wed, 24 Nov 2021 22:24:23 +0000, Michael Chare
    <mUNDERSCOREnews@chareDO.Torg.uk> wrote:

    On 23/11/2021 10:26, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
    Being a Samsung TV as many know there are a lot of extra online
    channels, from Pluto tv and others. Some are in fact quite
    interesting, but their commercials seem a bit ad hoc to me.
    Some have a definite digital noise in the sound channel,
    similar to
    trunking radio sounds if tuned into by a scanner on fm,
    Sometimes there are long periods of nothing or little jingles
    playing or commercials simply repeated several times. Seems very
    amateurish.

    Shame also there is nothing up there with audio description as
    some films would be very watchable if there was.
    Brian


    I have a LED Samsung TV I bought in 2011. It now can't even
    receive the Netflix login page due to some change Netflix made to
    the way their transmission works.

    Don't bother with the streaming functions built into TV sets.
    They're never as good as separate devices.

    A week or two ago I needed to replace the remote control on my old
    Amazon Fire TV box and couldn't get an exact replacement, but was
    able to get a new TV Stick for £16.99, and I see that their Black
    Friday price for it today is only £14.99. That's a complete
    streaming kit including a remote control for about the price I was
    expecting to pay for a replacement remote on its own (if I could
    have got one). This cheapest one only does 1920x1080 but it works
    very well, and there are also 4K versions if you want to pay a bit
    more. At that sort of price I've bought things out of what I call
    the "curiosity budget" just to see what they can do. Go on - it's
    nearly Christmas.

    Rod.

    I have a couple of Fire tv sticks and use them for almost all
    viewing. However they can get laggy, despite all the tricks and tips
    on web pages.

    To reduce this in future I would get as powerful a stick as you can
    afford rather than the most basic model.

    Or an Nvidia Shield, as long as you don't want to watch All4,
    because there isn't an app for it. It's possible using a browser, of
    which several are available, but it's a fiddly process, which is why
    I keep an Amazon device just for this one channel.

    The quality of what you *can* watch on the Shield is superb though,
    and even if the resolution of the material is lower than your TV, it
    does a very good job of upscaling it so it looks sharper.

    Rod.

    I looked at the Nvidia Shield after your recommendation but at about
    £130 it's many times more than a 4K Fire Stick.

    For an ordinary viewer (no fancy games or ten-speaker home cinema) I
    can't see what it provides that's not on the Fire stick.

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  • From Tony Gamble@21:1/5 to Pamela on Sun Dec 5 15:09:54 2021
    On 05/12/2021 13:45, Pamela wrote:


    I looked at the Nvidia Shield after your recommendation but at about
    �130 it's many times more than a 4K Fire Stick.

    For an ordinary viewer (no fancy games or ten-speaker home cinema) I
    can't see what it provides that's not on the Fire stick.

    A much more sophisticate version of Android and the ability to mount
    several USB devices. I have a 2tb HDD attached and a whole bundle of
    movies - quite a few in 4k.




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  • From Roderick Stewart@21:1/5 to tonygamble@compuserve.com on Sun Dec 5 17:10:04 2021
    On Sun, 5 Dec 2021 15:09:54 +0000, Tony Gamble
    <tonygamble@compuserve.com> wrote:

    On 05/12/2021 13:45, Pamela wrote:


    I looked at the Nvidia Shield after your recommendation but at about
    ?130 it's many times more than a 4K Fire Stick.

    For an ordinary viewer (no fancy games or ten-speaker home cinema) I
    can't see what it provides that's not on the Fire stick.

    A much more sophisticate version of Android and the ability to mount
    several USB devices. I have a 2tb HDD attached and a whole bundle of
    movies - quite a few in 4k.


    Indeed. And better picture quality and more responsive controls.

    Also, the remote control has infra red as well as bluetooth so it can
    control the volume on a Cambridge Audio amplifier (and presumably
    others as well), so most of the time I only need one remote on the
    coffee table and it controls everything. Some of the more expensive
    Amazon remotes have infra red too, but they only seem to know about TV
    sets and I couldn't get one to work with the hi-fi at all.

    Also, I found that a file manager app on the Shield could see files on
    my main PC without needing to configure anything, so I can show my
    photos on the big screen. Maybe it's possible to get the Amazon one to
    do this as well, but I didn't need to do anything to the Shield. I
    just clicked on network and there it was.

    Similarly if someone gives me some picture or video files on a USB
    stick. It's the most elementary thing to be able to plug one into a
    computer to look at the files, but the Amazon devices have no
    provision for this. But just plug it into a standard USB port on the
    Shield and there they are.

    Even the more expensive Pro version cost less than I paid for the
    Panasonic Freeview recorder, which is probably a fairer thing to
    compare it with than an 8kB dongle device such as an Amazon stick,
    considering it's now effectively the central component in my entire
    viewing and listening system.

    Rod.

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