• Re: OT: DVI port

    From Adrian Caspersz@21:1/5 to Scott on Fri Apr 21 12:38:38 2023
    On 21/04/2023 12:25, Scott wrote:
    I have bought a new PC that has HDMI but no DVI port. I have
    previously found that DVI is more reliable as HDMI doesn't seem to
    allow the computer to shut down the monitor.

    If I wanted to fit a DVI port, would this requie a complete graphics
    card or does it just need to be plugged into the motherboard?

    DVI is practically the same as HDMI for graphics.

    Cables are wired straight through, they works either way (HMDI->DVI,
    DVI->HDMI)


    You need to fix the OS issue, probably check CEC support and the
    graphics driver.

    https://superuser.com/questions/916538/how-to-use-cec-from-windows

    --
    Adrian C

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 21 12:25:42 2023
    I have bought a new PC that has HDMI but no DVI port. I have
    previously found that DVI is more reliable as HDMI doesn't seem to
    allow the computer to shut down the monitor.

    If I wanted to fit a DVI port, would this requie a complete graphics
    card or does it just need to be plugged into the motherboard?

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to email@here.invalid on Fri Apr 21 13:49:53 2023
    On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 12:38:38 +0100, Adrian Caspersz
    <email@here.invalid> wrote:

    On 21/04/2023 12:25, Scott wrote:
    I have bought a new PC that has HDMI but no DVI port. I have
    previously found that DVI is more reliable as HDMI doesn't seem to
    allow the computer to shut down the monitor.

    If I wanted to fit a DVI port, would this requie a complete graphics
    card or does it just need to be plugged into the motherboard?

    DVI is practically the same as HDMI for graphics.

    Cables are wired straight through, they works either way (HMDI->DVI, >DVI->HDMI)

    Thanks, but my question was how to connect the DVI port to the
    motherboard. Does it use a SATA cable same as adding an extra drive?
    Can it use the existing graphics card or is a new graphics card
    needed?

    In other words, what component(s) do I need to order assuming I will
    get assistance with the installation?

    You need to fix the OS issue, probably check CEC support and the
    graphics driver.

    Is this issue avoided by using AVI?

    https://superuser.com/questions/916538/how-to-use-cec-from-windows

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  • From NY@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Fri Apr 21 15:02:15 2023
    On 21/04/2023 14:40, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 21/04/2023 in message <c8154i50q49pft7ouc8ekm35udetibbcul@4ax.com>
    Scott wrote:

    Thanks, but my question was how to connect the DVI port to the
    motherboard.  Does it use a SATA cable same as adding an extra drive?
    Can it use the existing graphics card or is a new graphics card
    needed?

    I don't think that will be practical, if you need DVI you'll need an add
    in card.

    I use HDMI pretty well exclusively now and don't notice any
    disadvantages, it seems to be the connector of our times for now.

    You can get quite a variety of converters for graphics cables bit I
    don't think that's what you want?

    I have driven DVI-only monitors from an HDMI port on a graphics card
    (with appropriately-wired dumb cable) and I've driven HDMI-monitors from
    DVI port. And I've never had problems with the monitor failing to go
    into power-saving mode when the graphics card times-out.


    If you go for a graphics card with a DVI port, you'll probably plug it
    into an ISA slot (very unlike unless the motherboard is ancient) or PCI
    slot on the motherboard. I'd advise you to unplug the existing card, or
    to disable it if it's an on-the-motherboard adaptor: sometimes it can
    confuse the motherboard if there are two graphics adaptors, even if only
    one is connected to a monitor.

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to Scott on Fri Apr 21 13:40:03 2023
    On 21/04/2023 in message <c8154i50q49pft7ouc8ekm35udetibbcul@4ax.com>
    Scott wrote:

    Thanks, but my question was how to connect the DVI port to the
    motherboard. Does it use a SATA cable same as adding an extra drive?
    Can it use the existing graphics card or is a new graphics card
    needed?

    I don't think that will be practical, if you need DVI you'll need an add
    in card.

    I use HDMI pretty well exclusively now and don't notice any disadvantages,
    it seems to be the connector of our times for now.

    You can get quite a variety of converters for graphics cables bit I don't
    think that's what you want?

    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    There are 3 types of people in this world. Those who can count, and those
    who can't.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Scott on Fri Apr 21 15:05:15 2023
    Scott wrote:

    my question was how to connect the DVI port to the motherboard.

    You said the PC already had a HDMI port? And presumably you already
    have a DVI-D monitor? If so, a passive HDMI->DVI cable is all you need...

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 21 15:28:47 2023
    On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 15:05:15 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
    wrote:

    Scott wrote:

    my question was how to connect the DVI port to the motherboard.

    You said the PC already had a HDMI port? And presumably you already
    have a DVI-D monitor? If so, a passive HDMI->DVI cable is all you need...

    Actually, the monitor has an HDMI port but the last time I connected a
    monitor via HDMI the power-saving mode did not work. Maybe as Adrian
    says it is just a case of changing the settings (or maybe this is now
    resolved by Windows 11). I'll investigate further once I get the
    machine up and running. I just thought installing a DVI port first
    would give me flexibility, but it sounds like it is more trouble than
    it's worth.

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 21 16:10:23 2023
    On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 15:30:44 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
    wrote:

    Scott wrote:

    Actually, the monitor has an HDMI port but the last time I connected a
    monitor via HDMI the power-saving mode did not work.

    in short, it should.

    Maybe as Adrian
    says it is just a case of changing the settings (or maybe this is now
    resolved by Windows 11). I'll investigate further once I get the
    machine up and running. I just thought installing a DVI port first
    would give me flexibility, but it sounds like it is more trouble than
    it's worth.

    The only way is to replace (or add a second) GPU

    Thanks. This has clarified the situation..

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Scott on Fri Apr 21 15:30:44 2023
    Scott wrote:

    Actually, the monitor has an HDMI port but the last time I connected a monitor via HDMI the power-saving mode did not work.

    in short, it should.

    Maybe as Adrian
    says it is just a case of changing the settings (or maybe this is now resolved by Windows 11). I'll investigate further once I get the
    machine up and running. I just thought installing a DVI port first
    would give me flexibility, but it sounds like it is more trouble than
    it's worth.

    The only way is to replace (or add a second) GPU

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  • From Peter Johnson@21:1/5 to newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk on Fri Apr 21 16:57:17 2023
    On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 13:49:53 +0100, Scott
    <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:


    Thanks, but my question was how to connect the DVI port to the
    motherboard. Does it use a SATA cable same as adding an extra drive?
    Can it use the existing graphics card or is a new graphics card
    needed?

    In other words, what component(s) do I need to order assuming I will
    get assistance with the installation?

    Graphics are nothing to do with SATA, which is for drives.

    Is the existing HDMI port mounted on a plug-in video card, or is a
    feature of the motherboard?

    A quick way of telling is the location of the HDMI port. If it's on
    the back panel, with the USB, ethernet, audio ports, then it's a
    motherboard feature. If it sits on its own then it's more likely to be
    an independent card. To find out for sure you'll have to take the case
    off.

    Either way, you'll need a video card with a DVI port to plug in to a
    PCIe slot.

    If it's a Windows PC then it will recognise a new card without any
    intervention on your part. If the HDMI port is a motherboard feature
    you might have to change a setting in the BIOS to tell the pc to use
    the card. The PC handbook should tell you this, and much else.

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to peter@parksidewood.nospam on Fri Apr 21 17:04:57 2023
    On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 16:57:17 +0100, Peter Johnson
    <peter@parksidewood.nospam> wrote:

    On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 13:49:53 +0100, Scott
    <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:


    Thanks, but my question was how to connect the DVI port to the
    motherboard. Does it use a SATA cable same as adding an extra drive?
    Can it use the existing graphics card or is a new graphics card
    needed?

    In other words, what component(s) do I need to order assuming I will
    get assistance with the installation?

    Graphics are nothing to do with SATA, which is for drives.

    Is the existing HDMI port mounted on a plug-in video card, or is a
    feature of the motherboard?

    A quick way of telling is the location of the HDMI port. If it's on
    the back panel, with the USB, ethernet, audio ports, then it's a
    motherboard feature. If it sits on its own then it's more likely to be
    an independent card. To find out for sure you'll have to take the case
    off.

    Either way, you'll need a video card with a DVI port to plug in to a
    PCIe slot.

    If it's a Windows PC then it will recognise a new card without any >intervention on your part. If the HDMI port is a motherboard feature
    you might have to change a setting in the BIOS to tell the pc to use
    the card. The PC handbook should tell you this, and much else.

    Thanks. It is an integrated graphics card. I don't really want to
    bypass this with a second video card, so it seems I am stuck with what
    I have. I didn't appreciate (until now) that a DVI port needed its
    own graphics card. You learn something new every day, as they say.

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  • From David Woolley@21:1/5 to Scott on Fri Apr 21 22:17:38 2023
    On 21/04/2023 17:04, Scott wrote:
    is with a second video card, so it seems I am stuck with what
    I have. I didn't appreciate (until now) that a DVI port needed its
    own graphics card.

    It doesn't. My motherboard has VGA, DVI-D, and HDMI ports. I think my performance graphics card may have DVI-I, as well as HDMI. I think
    either the VGA is done with a passive adaptor on the DVI, or it also has
    a VGA, but I'd need to get to the back of it, or find the box and
    manual, to double check.

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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to Adrian Caspersz on Sat Apr 22 12:38:04 2023
    I bet the Chinese make a little converter box for this. I had to use a 9pin
    via to hdmi connection to avoid hdmi routing the audio of the pc through the TV.
    Brian

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    On 21/04/2023 12:25, Scott wrote:
    I have bought a new PC that has HDMI but no DVI port. I have
    previously found that DVI is more reliable as HDMI doesn't seem to
    allow the computer to shut down the monitor.

    If I wanted to fit a DVI port, would this requie a complete graphics
    card or does it just need to be plugged into the motherboard?

    DVI is practically the same as HDMI for graphics.

    Cables are wired straight through, they works either way (HMDI->DVI, DVI->HDMI)


    You need to fix the OS issue, probably check CEC support and the graphics driver.

    https://superuser.com/questions/916538/how-to-use-cec-from-windows

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  • From R. Mark Clayton@21:1/5 to David Woolley on Sun Apr 23 04:31:36 2023
    On Friday, 21 April 2023 at 22:17:41 UTC+1, David Woolley wrote:
    On 21/04/2023 17:04, Scott wrote:
    is with a second video card, so it seems I am stuck with what
    I have. I didn't appreciate (until now) that a DVI port needed its
    own graphics card.
    It doesn't. My motherboard has VGA, DVI-D, and HDMI ports. I think my performance graphics card may have DVI-I, as well as HDMI. I think
    either the VGA is done with a passive adaptor on the DVI, or it also has
    a VGA, but I'd need to get to the back of it, or find the box and
    manual, to double check.

    My motherboard has DP, HDMI, DVI-D and VGA. They all work simultaneously, the first three at 4k.

    One thing I overlooked is that for the DVI port there is a setting in the Bios as to whether the DVI port is DVI-D or not. Not sure how this corresponds to HDMI.

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  • From R. Mark Clayton@21:1/5 to Brian Gaff on Sun Apr 23 04:39:27 2023
    On Saturday, 22 April 2023 at 12:38:12 UTC+1, Brian Gaff wrote:
    I bet the Chinese make a little converter box for this. I had to use a 9pin via to hdmi connection to avoid hdmi routing the audio of the pc through the TV.
    Brian


    In the settings for "audio devices" you can choose where the sounds goes.

    I get a choice of main screen via DP, second screen via HDMI, sound bar via line out, headphones, headset via Bluetooth, Voip handset via USB (when plugged in) and the AV amp in my lounge via a 10m optical cable.

    Some programs, like Zoom, allow you to make a separate selection just for that program, which I do so that the sound for the person speaking comes out of the screen showing them.

    SNIP

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  • From R. Mark Clayton@21:1/5 to Scott on Sun Apr 23 04:27:22 2023
    On Friday, 21 April 2023 at 13:49:57 UTC+1, Scott wrote:
    On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 12:38:38 +0100, Adrian Caspersz
    <em...@here.invalid> wrote:

    On 21/04/2023 12:25, Scott wrote:
    I have bought a new PC that has HDMI but no DVI port. I have
    previously found that DVI is more reliable as HDMI doesn't seem to
    allow the computer to shut down the monitor.

    If I wanted to fit a DVI port, would this requie a complete graphics
    card or does it just need to be plugged into the motherboard?

    DVI is practically the same as HDMI for graphics.

    It IS the same electrically, just no sound.


    Cables are wired straight through, they works either way (HMDI->DVI, >DVI->HDMI)

    Yes entirely passive.

    Of you can use an adapter: -

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/DVI-HDMI-Adapters/b?ie=UTF8&node=430444031

    Just buy the right gender for your PC and TV/monitor.


    Thanks, but my question was how to connect the DVI port to the
    motherboard. Does it use a SATA cable same as adding an extra drive?
    Can it use the existing graphics card or is a new graphics card
    needed?

    Nothing to do with SATA.


    In other words, what component(s) do I need to order assuming I will
    get assistance with the installation?

    You need to fix the OS issue, probably check CEC support and the
    graphics driver.
    Is this issue avoided by using AVI?

    https://superuser.com/questions/916538/how-to-use-cec-from-windows

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid on Sun Apr 23 16:57:00 2023
    On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 22:17:38 +0100, David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> wrote:

    On 21/04/2023 17:04, Scott wrote:
    is with a second video card, so it seems I am stuck with what
    I have. I didn't appreciate (until now) that a DVI port needed its
    own graphics card.

    It doesn't. My motherboard has VGA, DVI-D, and HDMI ports. I think my >performance graphics card may have DVI-I, as well as HDMI. I think
    either the VGA is done with a passive adaptor on the DVI, or it also has
    a VGA, but I'd need to get to the back of it, or find the box and
    manual, to double check.

    I am now totally confused by this. My PC has no DVI port and an
    integrated graphics card. Can I buy a DVI card without graphics, and
    what do I connect it to?

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  • From Tweed@21:1/5 to Scott on Sun Apr 23 16:03:12 2023
    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 22:17:38 +0100, David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> wrote:

    On 21/04/2023 17:04, Scott wrote:
    is with a second video card, so it seems I am stuck with what
    I have. I didn't appreciate (until now) that a DVI port needed its
    own graphics card.

    It doesn't. My motherboard has VGA, DVI-D, and HDMI ports. I think my
    performance graphics card may have DVI-I, as well as HDMI. I think
    either the VGA is done with a passive adaptor on the DVI, or it also has
    a VGA, but I'd need to get to the back of it, or find the box and
    manual, to double check.

    I am now totally confused by this. My PC has no DVI port and an
    integrated graphics card. Can I buy a DVI card without graphics, and
    what do I connect it to?


    If you have an HDMI port you don’t need DVI. Just buy a passive adapter if you really need DVI. In basic terms DVI (well DVI-D to be more accurate) is HDMI without the sound on a different connector.
    (A fully populated DVI connector carries digital on the small pins and
    legacy analogue VGA on the big blade pins)

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  • From Tweed@21:1/5 to Scott on Sun Apr 23 20:51:33 2023
    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 16:03:12 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
    <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 22:17:38 +0100, David Woolley
    <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> wrote:

    On 21/04/2023 17:04, Scott wrote:
    is with a second video card, so it seems I am stuck with what
    I have. I didn't appreciate (until now) that a DVI port needed its
    own graphics card.

    It doesn't. My motherboard has VGA, DVI-D, and HDMI ports. I think my >>>> performance graphics card may have DVI-I, as well as HDMI. I think
    either the VGA is done with a passive adaptor on the DVI, or it also has >>>> a VGA, but I'd need to get to the back of it, or find the box and
    manual, to double check.

    I am now totally confused by this. My PC has no DVI port and an
    integrated graphics card. Can I buy a DVI card without graphics, and
    what do I connect it to?


    If you have an HDMI port you donÂ’t need DVI. Just buy a passive adapter if >> you really need DVI. In basic terms DVI (well DVI-D to be more accurate) is >> HDMI without the sound on a different connector.
    (A fully populated DVI connector carries digital on the small pins and
    legacy analogue VGA on the big blade pins)

    I thought there was a problem with power saving options set to shut
    down the monitor using HDMI. The last time I tried this, the power
    saving did not work and I had to use DVI instead.


    What exactly is your power saving issue? I’m not clear about this. All our HDMI output computers allow HDMI monitors to enter power saving mode.

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to usenet.tweed@gmail.com on Sun Apr 23 21:36:31 2023
    On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 16:03:12 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
    <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 22:17:38 +0100, David Woolley
    <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> wrote:

    On 21/04/2023 17:04, Scott wrote:
    is with a second video card, so it seems I am stuck with what
    I have. I didn't appreciate (until now) that a DVI port needed its
    own graphics card.

    It doesn't. My motherboard has VGA, DVI-D, and HDMI ports. I think my
    performance graphics card may have DVI-I, as well as HDMI. I think
    either the VGA is done with a passive adaptor on the DVI, or it also has >>> a VGA, but I'd need to get to the back of it, or find the box and
    manual, to double check.

    I am now totally confused by this. My PC has no DVI port and an
    integrated graphics card. Can I buy a DVI card without graphics, and
    what do I connect it to?


    If you have an HDMI port you don’t need DVI. Just buy a passive adapter if >you really need DVI. In basic terms DVI (well DVI-D to be more accurate) is >HDMI without the sound on a different connector.
    (A fully populated DVI connector carries digital on the small pins and
    legacy analogue VGA on the big blade pins)

    I thought there was a problem with power saving options set to shut
    down the monitor using HDMI. The last time I tried this, the power
    saving did not work and I had to use DVI instead.

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to usenet.tweed@gmail.com on Mon Apr 24 09:21:38 2023
    On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 20:51:33 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
    <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 16:03:12 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
    <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 22:17:38 +0100, David Woolley
    <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> wrote:

    On 21/04/2023 17:04, Scott wrote:
    is with a second video card, so it seems I am stuck with what
    I have. I didn't appreciate (until now) that a DVI port needed its >>>>>> own graphics card.

    It doesn't. My motherboard has VGA, DVI-D, and HDMI ports. I think my >>>>> performance graphics card may have DVI-I, as well as HDMI. I think
    either the VGA is done with a passive adaptor on the DVI, or it also has >>>>> a VGA, but I'd need to get to the back of it, or find the box and
    manual, to double check.

    I am now totally confused by this. My PC has no DVI port and an
    integrated graphics card. Can I buy a DVI card without graphics, and
    what do I connect it to?


    If you have an HDMI port you don?t need DVI. Just buy a passive adapter if >>> you really need DVI. In basic terms DVI (well DVI-D to be more accurate) is >>> HDMI without the sound on a different connector.
    (A fully populated DVI connector carries digital on the small pins and
    legacy analogue VGA on the big blade pins)

    I thought there was a problem with power saving options set to shut
    down the monitor using HDMI. The last time I tried this, the power
    saving did not work and I had to use DVI instead.

    What exactly is your power saving issue? I’m not clear about this. All our >HDMI output computers allow HDMI monitors to enter power saving mode.

    It was a long time ago but when I bought the monitor and connected it
    using HDMI, it did not switch off after the requisite number of
    minutes of inactivity (power saving mode). I changed the cable to DVI
    and it worked fine. I accept it may have something to do with
    settings. There seem to be reports of problems with HDMI. I have not commissioned my new PC yet as there is another issue to be resolved.

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