Some areas tomorrow, others in a month
https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/articles/2023/changes-bbc-one-hd-freeview-youview-england
On 21/03/2023 13:16, Mark Carver wrote:Don't assume that an outdoor aerial will work OK if you are behind trees.
Some areas tomorrow, others in a month
https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/articles/2023/changes-bbc-one-hd-freeview-youview-englandAs my loft aerial is the wrong group and the trees it 'points' through
to see Sutton Coldfield insist on growing a few feet every year and bush
out, I may have to consider an outdoor installation!
It's be interesting to know how the transmitter work has been done. Alas
I have no contacts anymore.
On 21/03/2023 13:16, Mark Carver wrote:Nothing is/will be happening at the transmitters. It's all at the CCMs
Some areas tomorrow, others in a month
https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/articles/2023/changes-bbc-one-hd-freeview-youview-england
As my loft aerial is the wrong group and the trees it 'points' through
to see Sutton Coldfield insist on growing a few feet every year and
bush out, I may have to consider an outdoor installation!
It's be interesting to know how the transmitter work has been done.
Alas I have no contacts anymore.
On Tuesday, 21 March 2023 at 19:27:16 UTC, Dickie mint wrote:
On 21/03/2023 13:16, Mark Carver wrote:Don't assume that an outdoor aerial will work OK if you are behind trees.
Some areas tomorrow, others in a monthAs my loft aerial is the wrong group and the trees it 'points' through
https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/articles/2023/changes-bbc-one-hd-freeview-youview-england
to see Sutton Coldfield insist on growing a few feet every year and bush
out, I may have to consider an outdoor installation!
It's be interesting to know how the transmitter work has been done. Alas
I have no contacts anymore.
On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 17:41:49 -0700 (PDT), "wrightsaerials@aol.com" <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:It does, but it's also a more complex signal. 256QAM is used for PSB 3 (compared with 64QAM for the main T1 muxes), so swings and roundabouts possibly.....
On Tuesday, 21 March 2023 at 19:27:16 UTC, Dickie mint wrote:But on the original theme, can Dickie assume that the HD signal will
On 21/03/2023 13:16, Mark Carver wrote:Don't assume that an outdoor aerial will work OK if you are behind trees.
Some areas tomorrow, others in a monthAs my loft aerial is the wrong group and the trees it 'points' through
https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/articles/2023/changes-bbc-one-hd-freeview-youview-england
to see Sutton Coldfield insist on growing a few feet every year and bush >>> out, I may have to consider an outdoor installation!
It's be interesting to know how the transmitter work has been done. Alas >>> I have no contacts anymore.
be more robust than the existing SD signal, given I thought DVB-T2 had
better error correction?
On 22/03/2023 09:41, Scott wrote:
On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 17:41:49 -0700 (PDT), "wrightsaerials@aol.com"
<wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, 21 March 2023 at 19:27:16 UTC, Dickie mint wrote:
On 21/03/2023 13:16, Mark Carver wrote:
Some areas tomorrow, others in a monthAs my loft aerial is the wrong group and the trees it 'points' through >>>> to see Sutton Coldfield insist on growing a few feet every year and
https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/articles/2023/changes-bbc-one-hd-freeview-youview-england
bush
out, I may have to consider an outdoor installation!
It's be interesting to know how the transmitter work has been done.
Alas
I have no contacts anymore.
Don't assume that an outdoor aerial will work OK if you are behindBut on the original theme, can Dickie assume that the HD signal will
trees.
be more robust than the existing SD signal, given I thought DVB-T2 had
better error correction?
It does, but it's also a more complex signal. 256QAM is used for PSB 3 (compared with 64QAM for the main T1 muxes), so swings and roundabouts possibly.....
As someone else has said up-thread, the work wasn't at the transmitterThe multiplexers are nowhere near the transmitters, haven't ever been in
or its multiplexer. It was a change in routing the feed from the
regions so each transmitter receives a *different* version of BBC One,
rather than most receiving a red slate during the regional news.
On Tuesday, 21 March 2023 at 19:27:16 UTC, Dickie mint wrote:
On 21/03/2023 13:16, Mark Carver wrote:Don't assume that an outdoor aerial will work OK if you are behind trees.
Some areas tomorrow, others in a monthAs my loft aerial is the wrong group and the trees it 'points' through
https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/articles/2023/changes-bbc-one-hd-freeview-youview-england
to see Sutton Coldfield insist on growing a few feet every year and bush
out, I may have to consider an outdoor installation!
It's be interesting to know how the transmitter work has been done. Alas
I have no contacts anymore.
On 22/03/2023 00:41, wrightsaerials@aol.com wrote:
On Tuesday, 21 March 2023 at 19:27:16 UTC, Dickie mint wrote:
On 21/03/2023 13:16, Mark Carver wrote:Don't assume that an outdoor aerial will work OK if you are behind
Some areas tomorrow, others in a monthAs my loft aerial is the wrong group and the trees it 'points' through
https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/articles/2023/changes-bbc-one-hd-freeview-youview-england
to see Sutton Coldfield insist on growing a few feet every year and
bush out, I may have to consider an outdoor installation!
It's be interesting to know how the transmitter work has been done.
Alas I have no contacts anymore.
trees.
Might do if it has a 50' mast.
In article <tvfa46$mhr7$2@dont-email.me>, Max Demian
<max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 22/03/2023 00:41, wrightsaerials@aol.com wrote:
On Tuesday, 21 March 2023 at 19:27:16 UTC, Dickie mint wrote:
On 21/03/2023 13:16, Mark Carver wrote:
Some areas tomorrow, others in a month
Don't assume that an outdoor aerial will work OK if you are behindAs my loft aerial is the wrong group and the trees it 'points' throughhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/articles/2023/changes-bbc-one-hd-freeview-youview-england
to see Sutton Coldfield insist on growing a few feet every year and
bush out, I may have to consider an outdoor installation!
It's be interesting to know how the transmitter work has been done.
Alas I have no contacts anymore.
trees.
Might do if it has a 50' mast.
Like a 20 ft scaf pole on top of a telephone pole?
Some areas tomorrow
On 22/03/2023 16:41, NY wrote:
The multiplexers are nowhere near the transmitters, haven't ever been in fact. I'm not explaining it all again, for the up-teempth bloody time.
As someone else has said up-thread, the work wasn't at the transmitter
or its multiplexer. It was a change in routing the feed from the
regions so each transmitter receives a *different* version of BBC One,
rather than most receiving a red slate during the regional news.
On 22/03/2023 17:05, Mark Carver wrote:
On 22/03/2023 16:41, NY wrote:
The multiplexers are nowhere near the transmitters, haven't ever been
As someone else has said up-thread, the work wasn't at the
transmitter or its multiplexer. It was a change in routing the feed
from the regions so each transmitter receives a *different* version
of BBC One, rather than most receiving a red slate during the
regional news.
in fact. I'm not explaining it all again, for the up-teempth bloody
time.
Sorry, I should have clarified that when I referred to "the
transmitter or its multiplexer" I wasn't implying that they were they
were located in the same place. I realise that all the muxers will be
in one central switching zone which will switch between (for example)
BBC One national and BBC One Yorkshire regional news (and likewise for
ITV national and ITV Yorkshire regional news or the Yorkshire-specific adverts), and send the combined PSB3 stream to Yorkshire's
transmitters, and likewise for all the other versions of PSB3, each
with its own regional programmes insert between the national programmes.
Am I right that, in essence, BBC One is now treated in a similar way
(similar topology) to ITV?
Is there a good BBC article which describes the before-and-after
technical setup and signal flow, and why BBC One didn't until recently
do it the way that ITV have done for ages?
However, not without risks (this is from 2007, so ITV have been doing it a long time)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6bes9i2JbM
"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:k82hq2F5174U1@mid.individual.net...The gallery staff were all too busy having a banter with her to notice !
However, not without risks (this is from 2007, so ITV have been doing
it a
long time)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6bes9i2JbM
Whoops. I'm amazed that *no-one* in the gallery noticed. Do they still
have
an "On Air" light in the gallery and the studio for live broadcasts to
show
exactly when they are and aren't going out live? It's very lucky that she didn't say anything "naughty".
Don't assume that an outdoor aerial will work OK if you are behind trees. Bill
On 21/03/2023 19:27, Dickie mint wrote:t, I may have to consider an outdoor installation!
Nothing is/will be happening at the transmitters. It's all at the CCMs
It's be interesting to know how the transmitter work has been done.
Alas I have no contacts anymore.
On 22/03/2023 00:41, wrights...@aol.com wrote:
Don't assume that an outdoor aerial will work OK if you are behind trees. BillThey are some distance away and others in the street have outdoor
aerials.
On Thursday, 23 March 2023 at 19:06:49 UTC, Dickie mint wrote:
On 22/03/2023 00:41, wrights...@aol.com wrote:
Don't assume that an outdoor aerial will work OK if you are behindThey are some distance away and others in the street have outdoor
trees.
Bill
aerials.
Like I said, 'don't assume'. Most likely it'll be OK but sometimes,
against every prior indication that there won't be a problem, it turns
out that there is. Trees are buggers like that.
"wrights...@aol.com" <wrights...@f2s.com> wrote in message news:64457424-7a0e-4b3f...@googlegroups.com...I've never been aware of that effect. I never had a customer relate reception problems to rain in that way. But absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.
On Thursday, 23 March 2023 at 19:06:49 UTC, Dickie mint wrote:
On 22/03/2023 00:41, wrights...@aol.com wrote:
Don't assume that an outdoor aerial will work OK if you are behindThey are some distance away and others in the street have outdoor
trees.
Bill
aerials.
Like I said, 'don't assume'. Most likely it'll be OK but sometimes, against every prior indication that there won't be a problem, it turnsI imagine (but don't assume!) that trees are at their most "buggerly" when they are well-saturated with rainwater which is sufficiently conductive to turn the whole tree into a grounded object, with predicable effects on signal strength. Is that the case in practice: that periods of poor reception involving trees tend to correspond with the after-effects of heavy and prolonged rain?
out that there is. Trees are buggers like that.
"wrightsaerials@aol.com" <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote in message news:64457424-7a0e-4b3f-b44b-981bc20e45e3n@googlegroups.com...
On Thursday, 23 March 2023 at 19:06:49 UTC, Dickie mint wrote:
On 22/03/2023 00:41, wrights...@aol.com wrote:
Don't assume that an outdoor aerial will work OK if you are behindThey are some distance away and others in the street have outdoor
trees.
Bill
aerials.
Like I said, 'don't assume'. Most likely it'll be OK but sometimes,
against every prior indication that there won't be a problem, it
turns out that there is. Trees are buggers like that.
I imagine (but don't assume!) that trees are at their most "buggerly"
when they are well-saturated with rainwater which is sufficiently
conductive to turn the whole tree into a grounded object, with
predicable effects on signal strength. Is that the case in practice:
that periods of poor reception involving trees tend to correspond with
the after-effects of heavy and prolonged rain?
On 24/03/2023 21:23, NY wrote:
"wrightsaerials@aol.com" <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote in message
news:64457424-7a0e-4b3f-b44b-981bc20e45e3n@googlegroups.com...
On Thursday, 23 March 2023 at 19:06:49 UTC, Dickie mint wrote:
On 22/03/2023 00:41, wrights...@aol.com wrote:
Don't assume that an outdoor aerial will work OK if you arebehind > trees.
BillThey are some distance away and others in the street have outdoor
aerials.
Like I said, 'don't assume'. Most likely it'll be OK but sometimes,
against every prior indication that there won't be a problem, it
turns out that there is. Trees are buggers like that.
I imagine (but don't assume!) that trees are at their most "buggerly"
when they are well-saturated with rainwater which is sufficiently
conductive to turn the whole tree into a grounded object, with
predicable effects on signal strength. Is that the case in practice:
that periods of poor reception involving trees tend to correspond
with the after-effects of heavy and prolonged rain?
Not sure, but it makes sense.
The trees behind my father's home, in the direction of the Hannington transmitter seem to cause more problems in the Summer when they have
leaves on them.
On Thursday, 23 March 2023 at 19:06:49 UTC, Dickie mint wrote:Now here's the weirdest thing! Having monitored the signalstrength &
On 22/03/2023 00:41, wrights...@aol.com wrote:
Don't assume that an outdoor aerial will work OK if you are behind trees. >>> BillThey are some distance away and others in the street have outdoor
aerials.
Like I said, 'don't assume'. Most likely it'll be OK but sometimes, against every prior indication that there won't be a problem, it turns out that there is. Trees are buggers like that.
Bill
On 24/03/2023 15:07, wrightsaerials@aol.com wrote:Are you looking at the right UHF channel for the HD mux (Ch 40 at SC)Â
On Thursday, 23 March 2023 at 19:06:49 UTC, Dickie mint wrote:Now here's the weirdest thing! Having monitored the signalstrength & quality option on the Humax menu, the SD channels are very good, with
On 22/03/2023 00:41, wrights...@aol.com wrote:
Don't assume that an outdoor aerial will work OK if you are behindThey are some distance away and others in the street have outdoor
trees.
Bill
aerials.
Like I said, 'don't assume'. Most likely it'll be OK but sometimes,
against every prior indication that there won't be a problem, it
turns out that there is. Trees are buggers like that.
Bill
only a very slight variation. The HD channels are zilch. No signal
strenth at all.
Now when I first got the Humax the HD channels were fine. I don't see
how trees (which are not in leaf yet) can affect only the HD channels.
I must admit that we mainly use the Freesat Humax, with the Freeview
one being a reserve, so haven't tracked any change over the months.
On 24/03/2023 21:23, NY wrote:Yes that usually happens. And leaf size is an issue.
"wrights...@aol.com" <wrights...@f2s.com> wrote in message news:64457424-7a0e-4b3f...@googlegroups.com...
On Thursday, 23 March 2023 at 19:06:49 UTC, Dickie mint wrote:
On 22/03/2023 00:41, wrights...@aol.com wrote:
Don't assume that an outdoor aerial will work OK if you are behindThey are some distance away and others in the street have outdoor
trees.
Bill
aerials.
Like I said, 'don't assume'. Most likely it'll be OK but sometimes,
against every prior indication that there won't be a problem, it
turns out that there is. Trees are buggers like that.
I imagine (but don't assume!) that trees are at their most "buggerly"Not sure, but it makes sense.
when they are well-saturated with rainwater which is sufficiently conductive to turn the whole tree into a grounded object, with
predicable effects on signal strength. Is that the case in practice:
that periods of poor reception involving trees tend to correspond with
the after-effects of heavy and prolonged rain?
The trees behind my father's home, in the direction of the Hannington transmitter seem to cause more problems in the Summer when they have
leaves on them.
--
Brian Gregory (in England).
At our last house we had trees in line (of Hannington) too, summer wasI was able to do that when the one tree was in the middle of a large lawn, and the lower branches had been trimmed to allow the sit-on mower to get close to the trunk.
worse. I actually moved the aerial down, and used the path under the
tree canopy. That worked fine. It was LOS too, could make out the red
mast lights at night from the aerial.
On Tuesday, 28 March 2023 at 21:20:28 UTC+1, Brian Gregory wrote:
On 24/03/2023 21:23, NY wrote:Yes that usually happens. And leaf size is an issue.
"wrights...@aol.com" <wrights...@f2s.com> wrote in messageNot sure, but it makes sense.
news:64457424-7a0e-4b3f...@googlegroups.com...
On Thursday, 23 March 2023 at 19:06:49 UTC, Dickie mint wrote:
On 22/03/2023 00:41, wrights...@aol.com wrote:
Don't assume that an outdoor aerial will work OK if you are behind >>>>>> trees.They are some distance away and others in the street have outdoor
Bill
aerials.
Like I said, 'don't assume'. Most likely it'll be OK but sometimes,
against every prior indication that there won't be a problem, it
turns out that there is. Trees are buggers like that.
I imagine (but don't assume!) that trees are at their most "buggerly"
when they are well-saturated with rainwater which is sufficiently
conductive to turn the whole tree into a grounded object, with
predicable effects on signal strength. Is that the case in practice:
that periods of poor reception involving trees tend to correspond with
the after-effects of heavy and prolonged rain?
The trees behind my father's home, in the direction of the Hannington
transmitter seem to cause more problems in the Summer when they have
leaves on them.
--
Brian Gregory (in England).
Bill
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