• The final Endeavour

    From Jeff Layman@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 13 21:57:36 2023
    Anybody record this last night on Freeview? Because it started late the
    ending was missed on my recording! Anyone else find this? If so, ITV
    must have messed up the "accurate" recording. If not, it was my PVR,
    although I find it very odd if it did that.

    --

    Jeff

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  • From Roger Mills@21:1/5 to Jeff Layman on Mon Mar 13 22:30:48 2023
    On 13/03/2023 21:57, Jeff Layman wrote:
    Anybody record this last night on Freeview? Because it started late the ending was missed on my recording! Anyone else find this? If so, ITV
    must have messed up the "accurate" recording. If not, it was my PVR,
    although I find it very odd if it did that.

    Can't you watch it online on the ITV Hub?
    --
    Cheers,
    Roger

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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to Roger Mills on Tue Mar 14 00:42:08 2023
    On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 22:30:48 +0000
    Roger Mills <mills37.fslife@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 13/03/2023 21:57, Jeff Layman wrote:
    Anybody record this last night on Freeview? Because it started late
    the ending was missed on my recording! Anyone else find this? If
    so, ITV must have messed up the "accurate" recording. If not, it
    was my PVR, although I find it very odd if it did that.

    Can't you watch it online on the ITV Hub?

    Yes, it was the same here, and as was suggested, I watched it on
    ITVHub, or ITV-X, or whatever it's called this month.
    --
    Davey.

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Jeff Layman on Tue Mar 14 03:00:25 2023
    On 13/03/2023 09:57 pm, Jeff Layman wrote:
    Anybody record this last night on Freeview? Because it started late the ending was missed on my recording! Anyone else find this? If so, ITV
    must have messed up the "accurate" recording. If not, it was my PVR,
    although I find it very odd if it did that.

    I recorded it on Sky+HD.

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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to JNugent on Tue Mar 14 08:18:40 2023
    On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 03:00:25 +0000
    JNugent <jenningsandco@mail.com> wrote:

    On 13/03/2023 09:57 pm, Jeff Layman wrote:
    Anybody record this last night on Freeview? Because it started late
    the ending was missed on my recording! Anyone else find this? If
    so, ITV must have messed up the "accurate" recording. If not, it
    was my PVR, although I find it very odd if it did that.

    I recorded it on Sky+HD.

    Was it complete, or did it miss the last few minutes, as ours did?
    --
    Davey.

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  • From Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems L@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 14 10:06:00 2023
    I recorded it on Sky+HD.

    Was it complete, or did it miss the last few minutes, as ours did?

    My Sky Q recording was complete.

    Angus

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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems L on Tue Mar 14 10:37:39 2023
    On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 10:06 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
    angus@magsys.co.uk (Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd) wrote:

    I recorded it on Sky+HD.

    Was it complete, or did it miss the last few minutes, as ours did?

    My Sky Q recording was complete.

    Angus


    Hmm. So what was the difference? What little I know is that the Humax
    uses the CLI information sent out by the broadcaster, so how could that
    have been incorrect on two Humax PVRs but not a Sky Q one?

    --
    Davey,

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  • From Jeff Layman@21:1/5 to Davey on Tue Mar 14 11:30:25 2023
    On 14/03/2023 10:37, Davey wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 10:06 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
    angus@magsys.co.uk (Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd) wrote:

    I recorded it on Sky+HD.

    Was it complete, or did it miss the last few minutes, as ours did?

    My Sky Q recording was complete.

    Angus


    Hmm. So what was the difference? What little I know is that the Humax
    uses the CLI information sent out by the broadcaster, so how could that
    have been incorrect on two Humax PVRs but not a Sky Q one?

    My PVR is a Panasonic. Perhaps the Sky and freeview systems are
    different in some way. Anyway, what a load of inefficient idiots they
    are at ITV if they can't get the accurate timing right. Unless, of
    course, it was deliberate to get more people to sign up to ITVX to see
    the ending...

    Fortunately, the follow-up programme "Morse and the Last Endeavour",
    seemed to show essentially the whole of the missing ending!

    I'm not signing up to ITVX (or All4) until I've sorted out a disposable
    email address.

    --

    Jeff

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  • From Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems L@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 14 14:31:00 2023
    My Sky Q recording was complete.

    Hmm. So what was the difference? What little I know is that the
    Humax uses the CLI information sent out by the broadcaster

    This thread has only mentioned Freeview which has a different EPG to satellite, and even there Freesat and Sky use different EPGs, so if last minute changes are made, one or more may miss them.

    Sky also allows padding on the end of recordings, although it does not always happen.

    But historically ITV has deliberately started some programmes late to fit in extra commercials and make it harder for people to change channel at the end, typically at 10pm.

    Angus

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Davey on Tue Mar 14 16:05:40 2023
    On 14/03/2023 08:18 am, Davey wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 03:00:25 +0000
    JNugent <jenningsandco@mail.com> wrote:

    On 13/03/2023 09:57 pm, Jeff Layman wrote:
    Anybody record this last night on Freeview? Because it started late
    the ending was missed on my recording! Anyone else find this? If
    so, ITV must have messed up the "accurate" recording. If not, it
    was my PVR, although I find it very odd if it did that.

    I recorded it on Sky+HD.

    Was it complete, or did it miss the last few minutes, as ours did?

    Complete, from ITV1 HD.

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Jeff Layman on Tue Mar 14 16:07:38 2023
    On 14/03/2023 11:30 am, Jeff Layman wrote:
    On 14/03/2023 10:37, Davey wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 10:06 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
    angus@magsys.co.uk (Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd) wrote:

    I recorded it on Sky+HD.

    Was it complete, or did it miss the last few minutes, as ours did?

    My Sky Q recording was complete.

    Angus


    Hmm. So what was the difference? What little I know is that the Humax
    uses the CLI information sent out by the broadcaster, so how could that
    have been incorrect on two Humax PVRs but not a Sky Q one?

    My PVR is a Panasonic. Perhaps the Sky and freeview systems are
    different in some way. Anyway, what a load of inefficient idiots they
    are at ITV if they can't get the accurate timing right. Unless, of
    course, it was deliberate to get more people to sign up to ITVX to see
    the ending...

    Fortunately, the follow-up programme "Morse and the Last Endeavour",
    seemed to show essentially the whole of the missing ending!

    That often happens when two consecutive programmes on the same channel
    are recorded.

    I'm not signing up to ITVX (or All4) until I've sorted out a disposable
    email address.

    Do you need an email address?

    I can't remember.

    If I did input an address, I certainly never get mail from them.

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  • From Jeff Layman@21:1/5 to JNugent on Tue Mar 14 18:30:44 2023
    On 14/03/2023 16:07, JNugent wrote:
    On 14/03/2023 11:30 am, Jeff Layman wrote:
    On 14/03/2023 10:37, Davey wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 10:06 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
    angus@magsys.co.uk (Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd) wrote:

    I recorded it on Sky+HD.

    Was it complete, or did it miss the last few minutes, as ours did?

    My Sky Q recording was complete.

    Angus


    Hmm. So what was the difference? What little I know is that the Humax
    uses the CLI information sent out by the broadcaster, so how could that
    have been incorrect on two Humax PVRs but not a Sky Q one?

    My PVR is a Panasonic. Perhaps the Sky and freeview systems are
    different in some way. Anyway, what a load of inefficient idiots they
    are at ITV if they can't get the accurate timing right. Unless, of
    course, it was deliberate to get more people to sign up to ITVX to see
    the ending...

    Fortunately, the follow-up programme "Morse and the Last Endeavour",
    seemed to show essentially the whole of the missing ending!

    That often happens when two consecutive programmes on the same channel
    are recorded.

    I wasn't clear. It was shown near the end of the second programme to
    show what happens to Endeavour at the end of the final episode.

    I'm not signing up to ITVX (or All4) until I've sorted out a disposable
    email address.

    Do you need an email address?

    Yes. All the sites which require registration require an email address.

    I can't remember.

    If I did input an address, I certainly never get mail from them.

    Is it still valid? I suppose that it should be in the ITVX settings
    somewhere.

    --

    Jeff

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  • From Martin@21:1/5 to Jeff Layman on Wed Mar 15 11:21:13 2023
    On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 11:30:25 +0000, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 14/03/2023 10:37, Davey wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 10:06 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
    angus@magsys.co.uk (Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd) wrote:

    I recorded it on Sky+HD.

    Was it complete, or did it miss the last few minutes, as ours did?

    My Sky Q recording was complete.

    Angus


    Hmm. So what was the difference? What little I know is that the Humax
    uses the CLI information sent out by the broadcaster, so how could that
    have been incorrect on two Humax PVRs but not a Sky Q one?

    My PVR is a Panasonic. Perhaps the Sky and freeview systems are
    different in some way.

    There was the same problem on Freesat

    --

    Martin in Zuid Holland

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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to Jeff Layman on Wed Mar 15 10:30:00 2023
    On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 11:30:25 +0000
    Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Fortunately, the follow-up programme "Morse and the Last Endeavour",
    seemed to show essentially the whole of the missing ending!

    But it did not include the credits, and I wanted to find the name of
    one of the actors, so I would still have had to go to ITVHub/X anyway.

    --
    Davey.

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  • From ponyface@21:1/5 to Jeff Layman on Wed Mar 15 13:15:00 2023
    On 13/03/2023 21:57, Jeff Layman wrote:
    Anybody record this last night on Freeview? Because it started late the ending was missed on my recording! Anyone else find this? If so, ITV
    must have messed up the "accurate" recording. If not, it was my PVR,
    although I find it very odd if it did that.



    just for info, Sunday night I recorded the gallagher premiership rugby
    on ITV after midnight.
    I recorded it on SkyQ and also on Freeview Panasonic recorder, both
    ended early with a couple of minutes missing.

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  • From Jeff Layman@21:1/5 to ponyface on Wed Mar 15 16:16:42 2023
    On 15/03/2023 13:15, ponyface wrote:
    On 13/03/2023 21:57, Jeff Layman wrote:
    Anybody record this last night on Freeview? Because it started late the
    ending was missed on my recording! Anyone else find this? If so, ITV
    must have messed up the "accurate" recording. If not, it was my PVR,
    although I find it very odd if it did that.



    just for info, Sunday night I recorded the gallagher premiership rugby
    on ITV after midnight.
    I recorded it on SkyQ and also on Freeview Panasonic recorder, both
    ended early with a couple of minutes missing.

    Interesting. Looks like ITV screwed up big time on Sunday evening. I
    wonder when the mess started, and if ITV1+1 was messed up too?

    --

    Jeff

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  • From NY@21:1/5 to Davey on Wed Mar 15 16:42:53 2023
    On 14/03/2023 08:18, Davey wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 03:00:25 +0000
    JNugent <jenningsandco@mail.com> wrote:

    On 13/03/2023 09:57 pm, Jeff Layman wrote:
    Anybody record this last night on Freeview? Because it started late
    the ending was missed on my recording! Anyone else find this? If
    so, ITV must have messed up the "accurate" recording. If not, it
    was my PVR, although I find it very odd if it did that.

    I recorded it on Sky+HD.

    Was it complete, or did it miss the last few minutes, as ours did?


    I have set my PVR (TVHeadend on a RasPi) to start 5 minutes early and
    finish 10 minutes late of the published times. Been very useful ;-)

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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to Jeff Layman on Thu Mar 16 12:00:24 2023
    I would not worry, it will get repeated on another channel soon enough.
    Brian

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    Anybody record this last night on Freeview? Because it started late the ending was missed on my recording! Anyone else find this? If so, ITV must have messed up the "accurate" recording. If not, it was my PVR, although I find it very odd if it did that.

    --

    Jeff

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Jeff Layman on Thu Mar 16 13:53:34 2023
    On 14/03/2023 06:30 pm, Jeff Layman wrote:

    On 14/03/2023 16:07, JNugent wrote:
    On 14/03/2023 11:30 am, Jeff Layman wrote:
    On 14/03/2023 10:37, Davey wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 10:06 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
    angus@magsys.co.uk (Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd) wrote:

    I recorded it on Sky+HD.

    Was it complete, or did it miss the last few minutes, as ours did?

    My Sky Q recording was complete.

    Hmm. So what was the difference? What little I know is that the Humax
    uses the CLI information sent out by the broadcaster, so how could that >>>> have been incorrect on two Humax PVRs but not a Sky Q one?

    My PVR is a Panasonic. Perhaps the Sky and freeview systems are
    different in some way. Anyway, what a load of inefficient idiots they
    are at ITV if they can't get the accurate timing right. Unless, of
    course, it was deliberate to get more people to sign up to ITVX to see
    the ending...

    Fortunately, the follow-up programme "Morse and the Last Endeavour",
    seemed to show essentially the whole of the missing ending!

    That often happens when two consecutive programmes on the same channel
    are recorded.

    I wasn't clear. It was shown near the end of the second programme to
    show what happens to Endeavour at the end of the final episode.

    Ah...

    Yes, I saw both programmes.

    I'm not signing up to ITVX (or All4) until I've sorted out a disposable
    email address.

    Do you need an email address?

    Yes. All the sites which require registration require an email address.

    I can't remember.

    If I did input an address, I certainly never get mail from them.

    Is it still valid? I suppose that it should be in the ITVX settings somewhere.

    I have all user-names and passwords recorded.

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  • From Martin@21:1/5 to Davey on Fri Mar 17 14:57:24 2023
    On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 10:30:00 +0000, Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 11:30:25 +0000
    Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Fortunately, the follow-up programme "Morse and the Last Endeavour",
    seemed to show essentially the whole of the missing ending!

    But it did not include the credits, and I wanted to find the name of
    one of the actors, so I would still have had to go to ITVHub/X anyway.

    or looked at IMDB.com
    --

    Martin in Zuid Holland

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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to Martin on Fri Mar 17 20:00:58 2023
    On Fri, 17 Mar 2023 14:57:24 +0100
    Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:

    On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 10:30:00 +0000, Davey <davey@example.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 11:30:25 +0000
    Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Fortunately, the follow-up programme "Morse and the Last
    Endeavour", seemed to show essentially the whole of the missing
    ending!

    But it did not include the credits, and I wanted to find the name of
    one of the actors, so I would still have had to go to ITVHub/X
    anyway.

    or looked at IMDB.com

    True, but I was in the room with the TV set, not the one with the
    computer.
    --
    Davey.

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  • From Roderick Stewart@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 18 08:45:26 2023
    On Fri, 17 Mar 2023 20:00:58 +0000, Davey <davey@example.invalid>
    wrote:

    But it did not include the credits, and I wanted to find the name of
    one of the actors, so I would still have had to go to ITVHub/X
    anyway.

    or looked at IMDB.com

    True, but I was in the room with the TV set, not the one with the
    computer.

    The modern way is to have a laptop (or a tablet) open at IMDB while
    you are looking for something to watch - or even while you are
    watching - as the information given by the streaming services is
    usually fairly limited.

    Rod.

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  • From NY@21:1/5 to Davey on Sat Mar 18 08:45:47 2023
    On 17/03/2023 20:00, Davey wrote:
    On Fri, 17 Mar 2023 14:57:24 +0100
    Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:

    On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 10:30:00 +0000, Davey <davey@example.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 11:30:25 +0000
    Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Fortunately, the follow-up programme "Morse and the Last
    Endeavour", seemed to show essentially the whole of the missing
    ending!

    But it did not include the credits, and I wanted to find the name of
    one of the actors, so I would still have had to go to ITVHub/X
    anyway.

    or looked at IMDB.com

    True, but I was in the room with the TV set, not the one with the
    computer.

    Also, the credits on IMDB might take a while to be added.

    For programmes that I contribute credits to on IMDB, I sometimes copy
    them from Radio Times (paper or web) before the episode is broadcast,
    with the proviso that listings magazines don't always get the character
    names and the order of characters correct, and the list may be incomplete.

    So the *definitive* version is what is shown when the episode is
    broadcast. And I may not get round to updating IMDB from the broadcast
    credits for a day or so. And having submitted the credits, IMDB may occasionally take several hours or even days to publish what I've
    submitted: there are occasionally glitches that cause isolated actors/characters not to be listed even after the majority of my
    submission has appeared on IMDB.

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 18 11:41:13 2023
    On 18/03/2023 08:45, NY wrote:
    On 17/03/2023 20:00, Davey wrote:
    On Fri, 17 Mar 2023 14:57:24 +0100
    Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 10:30:00 +0000, Davey <davey@example.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 11:30:25 +0000
    Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Fortunately, the follow-up programme "Morse and the Last
    Endeavour", seemed to show essentially the whole of the missing
    ending!

    But it did not include the credits, and I wanted to find the name of
    one of the actors, so I would still have had to go to ITVHub/X
    anyway.

    or looked at IMDB.com

    True, but I was in the room with the TV set, not the one with the
    computer.

    Also, the credits on IMDB might take a while to be added.

    For programmes that I contribute credits to on IMDB, I sometimes copy
    them from Radio Times (paper or web) before the episode is broadcast,
    with the proviso that listings magazines don't always get the character
    names and the order of characters correct, and the list may be incomplete.

    Sometimes reading the credits on IMDb leads to spoilers, such as whether
    a character is bumped off early in the series.

    --
    Max Demian

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to Jeff Layman on Sat Mar 18 11:43:22 2023
    On 14/03/2023 18:30, Jeff Layman wrote:
    On 14/03/2023 16:07, JNugent wrote:
    On 14/03/2023 11:30 am, Jeff Layman wrote:
    On 14/03/2023 10:37, Davey wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 10:06 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
    angus@magsys.co.uk (Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd) wrote:

    I recorded it on Sky+HD.

    Was it complete, or did it miss the last few minutes, as ours did?

    My Sky Q recording was complete.

    Hmm. So what was the difference? What little I know is that the Humax
    uses the CLI information sent out by the broadcaster, so how could that >>>> have been incorrect on two Humax PVRs but not a Sky Q one?

    My PVR is a Panasonic. Perhaps the Sky and freeview systems are
    different in some way. Anyway, what a load of inefficient idiots they
    are at ITV if they can't get the accurate timing right. Unless, of
    course, it was deliberate to get more people to sign up to ITVX to see
    the ending...

    Fortunately, the follow-up programme "Morse and the Last Endeavour",
    seemed to show essentially the whole of the missing ending!

    But not within the context of the continuity of the programme.

    --
    Max Demian

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