• OT: Eurovision tickets

    From Scott@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 2 19:38:44 2023
    BBC Radio Scotland was 'advertising' tickets for the Eurovision Song
    Contest today (with prices). I wonder how they are allowed to do
    this. My understanding is that the BBC is not allowed to charge for
    admission to its programmes (or recording thereof). Iif the programme
    is not made by the BBC, why is the BBC allowed to advertise it as
    advertising and product placement are not allowed?

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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to Scott on Thu Mar 2 20:05:27 2023
    On 02/03/2023 19:38, Scott wrote:
    BBC Radio Scotland was 'advertising' tickets for the Eurovision Song
    Contest today (with prices). I wonder how they are allowed to do
    this. My understanding is that the BBC is not allowed to charge for admission to its programmes (or recording thereof).

    What about the BBC Proms?

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to Scott on Thu Mar 2 20:41:50 2023
    In article <mgu10i9tc9ioldb0fftn6c6ubq30ifejo2@4ax.com>,
    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    BBC Radio Scotland was 'advertising' tickets for the Eurovision Song
    Contest today (with prices). I wonder how they are allowed to do
    this. My understanding is that the BBC is not allowed to charge for admission to its programmes (or recording thereof). Iif the programme
    is not made by the BBC, why is the BBC allowed to advertise it as
    advertising and product placement are not allowed?

    The BBC run the Proms concerts and promote them and charge admission. So
    it's obviously possible.

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to charles@candehope.me.uk on Thu Mar 2 21:09:30 2023
    On Thu, 02 Mar 2023 20:41:50 +0000 (GMT), charles
    <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

    In article <mgu10i9tc9ioldb0fftn6c6ubq30ifejo2@4ax.com>,
    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    BBC Radio Scotland was 'advertising' tickets for the Eurovision Song
    Contest today (with prices). I wonder how they are allowed to do
    this. My understanding is that the BBC is not allowed to charge for
    admission to its programmes (or recording thereof). Iif the programme
    is not made by the BBC, why is the BBC allowed to advertise it as
    advertising and product placement are not allowed?

    The BBC run the Proms concerts and promote them and charge admission. So >it's obviously possible.

    So it seems. The rules must have changed or I must have misunderstood
    the rules.

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 2 20:20:36 2023
    On Thu, 2 Mar 2023 20:05:27 +0000, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk>
    wrote:

    On 02/03/2023 19:38, Scott wrote:
    BBC Radio Scotland was 'advertising' tickets for the Eurovision Song
    Contest today (with prices). I wonder how they are allowed to do
    this. My understanding is that the BBC is not allowed to charge for
    admission to its programmes (or recording thereof).

    What about the BBC Proms?

    I have never heard them overtly giving details of ticket prices and
    how to obtain the tickets.

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to Scott on Fri Mar 3 08:13:35 2023
    On 02/03/2023 19:38, Scott wrote:
    My understanding is that the BBC is not allowed to charge for
    admission to its programmes (or recording thereof).
    I think they are, however normally it involves sitting for a few hours
    (even for the recording of a half hour show) while they do all the
    retakes, so it's rather cheeky to charge.
    Even for a live show, there are lots of pre and post records, so you're
    still there for 4-5 hours.

    ITV etc don't normally charge either for the same reasons

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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to Scott on Fri Mar 3 09:27:30 2023
    Its been on all the local stations. I think its because although its here
    this year, not all the competitors ar stations who rely on the same revenue stream. RTE, for example take adverts.
    The prices are not bad if you are a fan, which I am not. I tend to think
    that on recent showings of songs, they should pay us to watch and listen to
    it.

    I enjoyed it when Katrina and the Waves won it for us, was that the last
    time?


    The Eurovivision concept maybe missed the boat with its own version of the talent show format, very well sent up by the Goodies all those years ago.
    The Eurovision raving loony competition.
    Brian

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    "Scott" <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message news:mgu10i9tc9ioldb0fftn6c6ubq30ifejo2@4ax.com...
    BBC Radio Scotland was 'advertising' tickets for the Eurovision Song
    Contest today (with prices). I wonder how they are allowed to do
    this. My understanding is that the BBC is not allowed to charge for admission to its programmes (or recording thereof). Iif the programme
    is not made by the BBC, why is the BBC allowed to advertise it as
    advertising and product placement are not allowed?

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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to Scott on Fri Mar 3 09:34:10 2023
    I think the issue is that you are using prestigious venues, who you cannot expect to do it for nothing. I often wondered back in the 70s how it was
    that they could take over the Golders Green Hippodrome for an evening where they recorded a rock concert in front of an audience They also did the
    famous Hammersmith venue several Christmases for Elton John. Royal Festival Hall for Janice Ian and many others over the years. Some were free, some
    were not, one supposes it depended on the deal they did as some venues liked the publicity.
    Brian

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    "Scott" <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message news:lv320ip6s6796gtjcl8os3cin61gdsl2vv@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 02 Mar 2023 20:41:50 +0000 (GMT), charles
    <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

    In article <mgu10i9tc9ioldb0fftn6c6ubq30ifejo2@4ax.com>,
    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    BBC Radio Scotland was 'advertising' tickets for the Eurovision Song
    Contest today (with prices). I wonder how they are allowed to do
    this. My understanding is that the BBC is not allowed to charge for
    admission to its programmes (or recording thereof). Iif the programme
    is not made by the BBC, why is the BBC allowed to advertise it as
    advertising and product placement are not allowed?

    The BBC run the Proms concerts and promote them and charge admission. So >>it's obviously possible.

    So it seems. The rules must have changed or I must have misunderstood
    the rules.

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  • From Martin@21:1/5 to Scott on Fri Mar 3 13:43:22 2023
    On Thu, 02 Mar 2023 20:20:36 +0000, Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

    On Thu, 2 Mar 2023 20:05:27 +0000, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk>
    wrote:

    On 02/03/2023 19:38, Scott wrote:
    BBC Radio Scotland was 'advertising' tickets for the Eurovision Song
    Contest today (with prices). I wonder how they are allowed to do
    this. My understanding is that the BBC is not allowed to charge for
    admission to its programmes (or recording thereof).

    What about the BBC Proms?

    I have never heard them overtly giving details of ticket prices and
    how to obtain the tickets.

    You said charge not advertise :-)
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  • From Martin@21:1/5 to Brian Gaff on Fri Mar 3 13:51:20 2023
    UK was the real winner in 2022 Ukraine won on a political sympathy vote. On second thoughts maybe UK too.


    On Fri, 3 Mar 2023 09:27:30 -0000, "Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:

    Its been on all the local stations. I think its because although its here >this year, not all the competitors ar stations who rely on the same revenue >stream. RTE, for example take adverts.
    The prices are not bad if you are a fan, which I am not. I tend to think
    that on recent showings of songs, they should pay us to watch and listen to >it.

    I enjoyed it when Katrina and the Waves won it for us, was that the last >time?


    The Eurovivision concept maybe missed the boat with its own version of the
    talent show format, very well sent up by the Goodies all those years ago.
    The Eurovision raving loony competition.
    Brian
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  • From Peter Duncanson@21:1/5 to newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk on Sat Mar 4 23:16:01 2023
    On Thu, 02 Mar 2023 19:38:44 +0000, Scott
    <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

    BBC Radio Scotland was 'advertising' tickets for the Eurovision Song
    Contest today (with prices). I wonder how they are allowed to do
    this. My understanding is that the BBC is not allowed to charge for >admission to its programmes (or recording thereof). Iif the programme
    is not made by the BBC, why is the BBC allowed to advertise it as
    advertising and product placement are not allowed?

    The Eurovision Song Contest is not "a BBC programme". It is "an EBU
    programme".

    EBU is the European Broadcasting Union.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Broadcasting_Union

    The European Broadcasting Union (EBU; French: Union européenne de
    radio-télévision, UER) is an alliance of public service media
    organisations whose countries are within the European Broadcasting
    Area or who are members of the Council of Europe. As of 2022, it is
    made up of 112 member organizations from 54 countries,[2] and 30
    associate members from a further 19 countries.[3] It was established
    in 1950, and had its administrative headquarters in Geneva and
    technical office in Brussels.

    The EBU owns and operates the Eurovision and Euroradio
    telecommunications networks on which major television and radio
    broadcasts are distributed live to its members. It also operates the
    daily Eurovision news exchange in which members share breaking news
    footage.

    ....

    The EBU, in co-operation with its members, produces programmes and
    organizes events in which its members can participate, such as the
    Eurovision Song Contest, its best known production, ...

    Hosting and financing of the EurovisionSong Contest: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurovision_Song_Contest#Hosting

    The winning country traditionally hosts the following year's event,
    ... Eurovision [Song Contest] is a non-profit event, and financing is
    typically achieved through a fee from each participating broadcaster,
    contributions from the host broadcaster and the host city, and
    commercial revenues from sponsorships, ticket sales, televoting and
    merchandise.

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    (in uk.tech.digital-tv)

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  • From Smolley@21:1/5 to Brian Gaff on Sun Mar 5 12:08:21 2023
    On Fri, 03 Mar 2023 09:27:30 +0000, Brian Gaff wrote:

    Its been on all the local stations. I think its because although its
    here this year, not all the competitors ar stations who rely on the same revenue stream. RTE, for example take adverts.
    The prices are not bad if you are a fan, which I am not. I tend to
    think
    that on recent showings of songs, they should pay us to watch and listen
    to it.

    I enjoyed it when Katrina and the Waves won it for us, was that the last time?


    The Eurovivision concept maybe missed the boat with its own version of
    the
    talent show format, very well sent up by the Goodies all those years
    ago. The Eurovision raving loony competition.
    Brian

    I liked Eurotrash

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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to Brian Gaff on Thu Mar 9 21:08:49 2023
    On 03/03/2023 09:27, Brian Gaff wrote:

    The Eurovivision concept maybe missed the boat with its own version of the talent show format, very well sent up by the Goodies all those years ago.
    The Eurovision raving loony competition.
    Brian



    I've just seen/listened to our entry.
    massive amounts of hype
    massive amounts of auto-tuning

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  • From Java Jive@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 9 21:24:58 2023
    On 09/03/2023 21:08, alan_m wrote:

    I've just seen/listened to our entry.
    massive amounts of hype
    massive amounts of auto-tuning

    As a former amateur musician, I'm unlikely ever to be that interested!

    However, I did see a photo of the female singer, and thought: "She looks
    almost normal, little or no makeup, no dyed or bleached hair, etc! Good
    for you, lass!"

    But then I noticed the ridiculous fingernails :-(

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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to Java Jive on Fri Mar 10 08:53:01 2023
    On Thu, 9 Mar 2023 21:24:58 +0000
    Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:

    On 09/03/2023 21:08, alan_m wrote:

    I've just seen/listened to our entry.
    massive amounts of hype
    massive amounts of auto-tuning

    As a former amateur musician, I'm unlikely ever to be that interested!

    However, I did see a photo of the female singer, and thought: "She
    looks almost normal, little or no makeup, no dyed or bleached hair,
    etc! Good for you, lass!"

    But then I noticed the ridiculous fingernails :-(


    My reaction was: "Who?". But then, I thought that about last year's
    entry, so what do I know, or care, about Eurovision?

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to Davey on Fri Mar 10 10:13:09 2023
    On 10/03/2023 08:53, Davey wrote:
    My reaction was: "Who?". But then, I thought that about last year's
    entry, so what do I know, or care, about Eurovision?


    At least she appears to be a real woman, I only saw briefly on the news.
    The song seemed very forgettable but that has often been the case with
    the Eurovision Song Contest. Only seems to be of interest now to one
    minority group.

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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 10 10:58:50 2023
    On 10/03/2023 10:13, MB wrote:
    On 10/03/2023 08:53, Davey wrote:
    My reaction was: "Who?". But then, I thought that about last year's
    entry, so what do I know, or care, about Eurovision?


    At least she appears to be a real woman, I only saw briefly on the news.
    The song seemed very forgettable but that has often been the case with
    the Eurovision Song Contest.  Only seems to be of interest now to one minority group.

    She was the support act for the Lidl Mix UK tour so probably only
    appeals to the 8 to 12 year olds :)

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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to junk@admac.myzen.co.uk on Fri Mar 10 14:18:00 2023
    On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 10:58:50 +0000
    alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

    On 10/03/2023 10:13, MB wrote:
    On 10/03/2023 08:53, Davey wrote:
    My reaction was: "Who?". But then, I thought that about last year's
    entry, so what do I know, or care, about Eurovision?


    At least she appears to be a real woman, I only saw briefly on the
    news. The song seemed very forgettable but that has often been the
    case with the Eurovision Song Contest.  Only seems to be of
    interest now to one minority group.

    She was the support act for the Lidl Mix UK tour so probably only
    appeals to the 8 to 12 year olds :)


    The who?
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