• TV built in PVR - better than Humax?

    From David@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 2 14:18:18 2023
    Already have a thread going about a new TV but realised something when
    looking at this beast.

    <https://www.lg.com/uk/tvs/lg-43uq91006la>

    It has both FreeView and FreeSat HD tuners and a PVR function.

    Does this mean that it will match or out perform my Humax HB1000S?

    Noting that the LG supports DVB-T2/T and DVB-S2/S I assume that this means
    the highest resolution of recording is Full HD - do many PVRs support
    recording of (rare) 4K broadcasts?

    [I started out looking for a 40" 4K TV as a replacement monitor but I'm
    having feature creep.]

    This could simplify my long delayed wall mount plan for the bedroom.

    Cheers



    Dave R

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to David on Thu Mar 2 14:57:55 2023
    David wrote:

    It has both FreeView and FreeSat HD tuners and a PVR function.
    Does this mean that it will match or out perform my Humax HB1000S?

    I have a semi-PVR function oin my bedroom TV, only accepts USB flash
    storage I think, too clunky to use really no twin-tuners and don't think
    you can jump into doing pause/chase-play.

    Dad had an LG which could take a hard drive not just a memory stick,
    don't remember him using it much, again no twin tuners.

    I've always rolled my own whether MythTV, or TVHeadend, now combined
    with a chromecast as front-end.

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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to David on Thu Mar 2 15:33:19 2023
    On 02/03/2023 14:18, David wrote:
    Already have a thread going about a new TV but realised something when looking at this beast.

    <https://www.lg.com/uk/tvs/lg-43uq91006la>

    It has both FreeView and FreeSat HD tuners and a PVR function.

    It has a satellite tuner which may not have a Freesat EPG function.
    Satellite does not mean the Freesat EPG is supported. You may get all
    the Free To Air satellite channels but not a 7 day EPG - only a now and
    next EPG..
    The specification only mentions support for the 7/8 day Freeview EPG on terrestrial.

    The PVR function may only be very limited - you need to check the full specification or manual to see its functionality. Alternatively try and
    find a comprehensive review on Youtube or the web. Most PVRs these days
    come with at least two tuners so that on Freeview you can record
    something on one MUX while watching something else on a different MUX.
    It's the same with satellite PVRs - at least two tuners so that you can
    watch something on one transponder whilst recording from another. The
    possible lack of a 7 day EPG on satellite makes using satellite for
    forward recording somewhat difficult.

    Increasingly, with the introduction of wideband LNBs, PVR are available
    with many more tuners. I believe Sky Q boxes have 12 and some Free to
    Air boxes can support 16 tuners (FBC in a box with a single cable from
    the LNB.

    For instance two tuner cards such as this in an Enigma2 single box https://tinyurl.com/2877h5tc


    Does this mean that it will match or out perform my Humax HB1000S?


    Quite possibly the reverse with respect to recording functionality.

    Noting that the LG supports DVB-T2/T and DVB-S2/S I assume that this means the highest resolution of recording is Full HD - do many PVRs support recording of (rare) 4K broadcasts?

    Many third party PVR such as some of the Engima boxes I mentioned in the
    other thread will record 4k content. They record the broadcast content.



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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to David on Thu Mar 2 17:46:48 2023
    The only way you can know this is to test one in my view. There could be a
    lot of compromises building it into a tv, which they cleverly forget to mention. Some shops, but they tend not to be the discounters have been known
    to loan sets with a refundable deposit.
    Brian

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    "David" <wibble@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:k6bph9Fkbs4U3@mid.individual.net...
    Already have a thread going about a new TV but realised something when looking at this beast.

    <https://www.lg.com/uk/tvs/lg-43uq91006la>

    It has both FreeView and FreeSat HD tuners and a PVR function.

    Does this mean that it will match or out perform my Humax HB1000S?

    Noting that the LG supports DVB-T2/T and DVB-S2/S I assume that this means the highest resolution of recording is Full HD - do many PVRs support recording of (rare) 4K broadcasts?

    [I started out looking for a 40" 4K TV as a replacement monitor but I'm having feature creep.]

    This could simplify my long delayed wall mount plan for the bedroom.

    Cheers



    Dave R

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  • From NY@21:1/5 to Brian Gaff on Thu Mar 2 21:00:19 2023
    On 02/03/2023 17:46, Brian Gaff wrote:
    The only way you can know this is to test one in my view. There could be a lot of compromises building it into a tv, which they cleverly forget to mention. Some shops, but they tend not to be the discounters have been known to loan sets with a refundable deposit.

    I find that the best way to get to know a product before buying it is to download a PDF of the user manual: there's a lot more information than
    you get in the marketing blurb, and you get to see what exactly you can
    and can't do, including any restrictions such as "you can connect an
    external hard drive and play MPG but not TS format files, and the drive
    must be formatted as FAT32 and not exFAT or NTFS".

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  • From Adrian Caspersz@21:1/5 to David on Fri Mar 3 00:37:57 2023
    On 02/03/2023 14:18, David wrote:
    Already have a thread going about a new TV but realised something when looking at this beast.

    <https://www.lg.com/uk/tvs/lg-43uq91006la>

    It has both FreeView and FreeSat HD tuners and a PVR function.

    Does this mean that it will match or out perform my Humax HB1000S?


    The builtin CPUs in a TV generally tend to be weedy, and the PVR
    functionality will not be the main focus of the manufacturer?


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  • From Martin@21:1/5 to me@privacy.net on Fri Mar 3 13:40:44 2023
    On Thu, 2 Mar 2023 21:00:19 +0000, NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:

    On 02/03/2023 17:46, Brian Gaff wrote:
    The only way you can know this is to test one in my view. There could be a >> lot of compromises building it into a tv, which they cleverly forget to
    mention. Some shops, but they tend not to be the discounters have been known >> to loan sets with a refundable deposit.

    I find that the best way to get to know a product before buying it is to >download a PDF of the user manual: there's a lot more information than
    you get in the marketing blurb, and you get to see what exactly you can
    and can't do, including any restrictions such as "you can connect an
    external hard drive and play MPG but not TS format files, and the drive
    must be formatted as FAT32 and not exFAT or NTFS".

    I download user manuals before buying. Humax manuals don't tell you that their PVRs over heat in hot weather and self destruct.
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  • From Jeff Layman@21:1/5 to Martin on Fri Mar 3 13:15:18 2023
    On 03/03/2023 12:40, Martin wrote:
    On Thu, 2 Mar 2023 21:00:19 +0000, NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:

    On 02/03/2023 17:46, Brian Gaff wrote:
    The only way you can know this is to test one in my view. There could be a >>> lot of compromises building it into a tv, which they cleverly forget to
    mention. Some shops, but they tend not to be the discounters have been known
    to loan sets with a refundable deposit.

    I find that the best way to get to know a product before buying it is to
    download a PDF of the user manual: there's a lot more information than
    you get in the marketing blurb, and you get to see what exactly you can
    and can't do, including any restrictions such as "you can connect an
    external hard drive and play MPG but not TS format files, and the drive
    must be formatted as FAT32 and not exFAT or NTFS".

    I download user manuals before buying. Humax manuals don't tell you that their
    PVRs over heat in hot weather and self destruct.

    I can't see that being included in the specs!

    When I got my Panasonic PVR DMR-HWT130 about 10 years ago, I had a
    choice between that and the more expensive DMR-HWT230. The difference
    was that the latter had a 1TB HD instead of a 500GB disk, and included
    WiFi. I didn't require either, so went for the 130T. When I looked at
    the manual, another difference appeared - "DMR-HWT130 does not have a
    cooling fan. Instead, it has ventilation holes". This was a bullet point
    in the "Connection" section. I've no idea why it was put there. But it
    did concern me as my older Panasonic DVD recorder had gone faulty after
    an IC had overheated due to a too-small heat sink.

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  • From Martin@21:1/5 to Jeff Layman on Fri Mar 3 15:02:42 2023
    On Fri, 3 Mar 2023 13:15:18 +0000, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 03/03/2023 12:40, Martin wrote:
    On Thu, 2 Mar 2023 21:00:19 +0000, NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:

    On 02/03/2023 17:46, Brian Gaff wrote:
    The only way you can know this is to test one in my view. There could be a >>>> lot of compromises building it into a tv, which they cleverly forget to >>>> mention. Some shops, but they tend not to be the discounters have been known
    to loan sets with a refundable deposit.

    I find that the best way to get to know a product before buying it is to >>> download a PDF of the user manual: there's a lot more information than
    you get in the marketing blurb, and you get to see what exactly you can
    and can't do, including any restrictions such as "you can connect an
    external hard drive and play MPG but not TS format files, and the drive
    must be formatted as FAT32 and not exFAT or NTFS".

    I download user manuals before buying. Humax manuals don't tell you that their
    PVRs over heat in hot weather and self destruct.

    I can't see that being included in the specs!

    Others include temperature operating range.

    When I got my Panasonic PVR DMR-HWT130 about 10 years ago, I had a
    choice between that and the more expensive DMR-HWT230. The difference
    was that the latter had a 1TB HD instead of a 500GB disk, and included
    WiFi. I didn't require either, so went for the 130T. When I looked at
    the manual, another difference appeared - "DMR-HWT130 does not have a
    cooling fan. Instead, it has ventilation holes". This was a bullet point
    in the "Connection" section. I've no idea why it was put there. But it
    did concern me as my older Panasonic DVD recorder had gone faulty after
    an IC had overheated due to a too-small heat sink.

    My current Humax Freesat doesn't have a fan. It does odd tings when the room temperature gets towards 30C. The old one had a fan which failed.
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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to Martin on Fri Mar 3 14:40:17 2023
    On 03/03/2023 12:40, Martin wrote:

    I download user manuals before buying. Humax manuals don't tell you that their
    PVRs over heat in hot weather and self destruct.


    Do their boxes still run hot?

    I had one of their first HD satellite boxes and the bottom of the box
    was around 60C after 10 minutes. They used the metal base plate as a
    heat sink for the processor. I added 1 inch tall feet so that was a
    better flow of cooling air beneath the box.

    Friends have a current sky Q box and this has the same problem with
    overheating if you stack it on top of other equipment generating heat or
    don't allow a free flow of air beneath. They had put their box on a
    cloth mat to stop it marking their cabinet it was standing on
    effectively reducing the height of the miniature feet:).

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to junk@admac.myzen.co.uk on Fri Mar 3 15:12:56 2023
    In article <k6ef6hF3b8mU1@mid.individual.net>,
    alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On 03/03/2023 12:40, Martin wrote:

    I download user manuals before buying. Humax manuals don't tell you that their
    PVRs over heat in hot weather and self destruct.


    Do their boxes still run hot?

    I had one of their first HD satellite boxes and the bottom of the box
    was around 60C after 10 minutes. They used the metal base plate as a
    heat sink for the processor. I added 1 inch tall feet so that was a
    better flow of cooling air beneath the box.

    Friends have a current sky Q box and this has the same problem with overheating if you stack it on top of other equipment generating heat or don't allow a free flow of air beneath. They had put their box on a
    cloth mat to stop it marking their cabinet it was standing on
    effectively reducing the height of the miniature feet:).

    I've got more than one piece of electronics which runs hotter than it
    should if I hadn't done something about. Nobody seems to do an extended
    soak test before sell stuff.

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  • From R. Mark Clayton@21:1/5 to David on Fri Mar 3 09:01:48 2023
    On Thursday, 2 March 2023 at 14:18:21 UTC, David wrote:
    Already have a thread going about a new TV but realised something when looking at this beast.

    <https://www.lg.com/uk/tvs/lg-43uq91006la>

    It has both FreeView and FreeSat HD tuners and a PVR function.

    Does this mean that it will match or out perform my Humax HB1000S?

    Probably not, but probably adequate.


    Noting that the LG supports DVB-T2/T and DVB-S2/S I assume that this means the highest resolution of recording is Full HD

    Best to use a USB3 drive even in a USB2 port.

    - do many PVRs support recording of (rare) 4K broadcasts?

    Dunno.


    [I started out looking for a 40" 4K TV as a replacement monitor but I'm having feature creep.]

    This could simplify my long delayed wall mount plan for the bedroom.

    Recent USB drives can be low profile e.g. https://reverb.com/uk/item/43314080-verbatim-store-n-stay-nano-usb-3-0-flash-drive-16gb


    Cheers



    Dave R

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