for the last few days none of the 4-branded channels have appeared in
Freesat EPG on Foxsat HDR (5 was missing for a couple of days but 5+1 was there!).
Same on TV, so it's not the Hummy.
Has 4 gone off in a huff?

Bloody 106, BBC1 HD has moved, popped up again. Why? I got rid of that as
soon as it was vacant. Bloody Beeb.
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

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On 22/02/2023 18:07, PeterC wrote:

for the last few days none of the 4-branded channels have appeared in
Freesat EPG on Foxsat HDR (5 was missing for a couple of days but 5+1 was there!).
Same on TV, so it's not the Hummy.
Has 4 gone off in a huff?

https://www.cordbusters.co.uk/freesat-error-channel-4-missing-epg/

Bloody 106, BBC1 HD has moved, popped up again. Why? I got rid of that as soon as it was vacant. Bloody Beeb.

It's not clear what you mean.

Your local BBC is now, or will soon, only be available in HD.
I don't know but I guess an SD version may still be available for a
while but it won;t be localised. Perhaps it'll be Freesat 106.

--
Brian Gregory (in England).

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On 22/02/2023 21:31, Brian Gregory wrote:

Your local BBC is now, or will soon, only be available in HD.
I don't know but I guess an SD version may still be available for a
while but it won;t be localised. Perhaps it'll be Freesat 106.

SD versions of all the BBC's channels (non-regionalised) are currently broadcast on 12422H, but this is a short-term measure (not sure for how
long). BBC call it "nightlight" service.

I don't use a Freesat-branded PVR (I use TVHeadend software on a
Raspberry Pi) so I can see and record from them fine, but I've seen
reports on other threads that they are not listed on the Freesat EPG so
you have to use the PVR or TV in non-Freesat mode.

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On 22/02/2023 21:31, Brian Gregory wrote:

Your local BBC is now, or will soon, only be available in HD.
I don't know but I guess an SD version may still be available for a
while but it won;t be localised. Perhaps it'll be Freesat 106.

Oops meant to say:
Your local BBC One is now, or will soon, only be available in HD.

I don't know but I guess an SD version may still be available for a
while but it won't be localised. Perhaps it'll be Freesat 106.

--
Brian Gregory (in England).

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On 22/02/2023 21:33, Brian Gregory wrote:

On 22/02/2023 21:31, Brian Gregory wrote:

Your local BBC is now, or will soon, only be available in HD.
I don't know but I guess an SD version may still be available for a
while but it won;t be localised. Perhaps it'll be Freesat 106.

Oops meant to say:
Your local BBC One is now, or will soon, only be available in HD.

I don't know but I guess an SD version may still be available for a
while but it won't be localised. Perhaps it'll be Freesat 106.

The national SD version of BBC 1 (which from yesterday is now the ONLY
SD version of BBC 1 that's available), is NOT visible on any HD Freesat box.

On SD Freesat boxes it will be found on Ch 101.   Next March it will go.
Hence the 'Red Screen' (aka Nightlight) notice advising you to upgrade
your box to HD.

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"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:k5ovtuFnc39U1@mid.individual.net...

On SD Freesat boxes it will be found on Ch 101. Next March it will go. Hence the 'Red Screen' (aka Nightlight) notice advising you to upgrade
your box to HD.

I presume "next March" means March 2024. It's a shame for the sake of one
mux, they couldn't have committed to keeping the non-regionalised SD
versions of their channels for longer. In my experience, SD is more
resilient than HD to reception dropouts: if I record something on BBC One or ITV SD, whether on terrestrial or satellite, I get fewer glitches than if I record it on the HD equivalent. Maybe the error-correction for SD is more rugged than that for HD.

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On 23/02/2023 12:38, NY wrote:

"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:k5ovtuFnc39U1@mid.individual.net...

On SD Freesat boxes it will be found on Ch 101.   Next March it will
go. Hence the 'Red Screen' (aka Nightlight) notice advising you to
upgrade your box to HD.

I presume "next March" means March 2024. It's a shame for the sake of
one mux, they couldn't have committed to keeping the non-regionalised
SD versions of their channels for longer.

Yes,  it's March 2024 (I refer you to the BBC document no one still
hasn't read yet 😎) The Beeb are skint, (or at least that's what they say)

In my experience, SD is more resilient than HD to reception dropouts:
if I record something on BBC One or ITV SD, whether on terrestrial or satellite, I get fewer glitches than if I record it on the HD
equivalent. Maybe the error-correction for SD is more rugged than that
for HD.

It's unlikely whether a channel is SD or HD is what defines robustness
of reception. It's at the modulation level (not the coding level) on the
whole TS on a mux or t/p that shapes the error correction and symbol rates

Quite honestly given the fact everything from 28.2E pisses out of the
sky with a massive signal, if you are getting any sort of drop out on
any channel, you must have a problem with your receiving system.

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On 23.02.2023 13:45, Mark Carver wrote:

Quite honestly given the fact everything from 28.2E pisses out of the
sky with a massive signal

Wish that were the case at my QTH (9.76° E). :-(
I would happily be pissed on :-)

The strongest TP here is 10773, the weakest being 11023.

However I usually (i.e. almost every day) get a complete dropout of the
weaker transponders around 1800/1900h CET until past midnight. I have
never worked out why.

Has anyone any ideas?

I am using a 1,50m Gilbertini dish and have tried several LNBs for best results. I realise with the larger dish the azimut has to be spot on as
the beam width is narrower than with a smaller dish and LNB skew is
quite critical. I have spent several hours faffing around to optimize
the dish adjustments using a SatLink meter.

Apologies if I am hi-jacking someone else's thread.

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NY wrote:

Mark Carver wrote:

On SD Freesat boxes it will be found on Ch 101. Next March it
will go. Hence the 'Red Screen' (aka Nightlight) notice advising
you to upgrade your box to HD.

I presume "next March" means March 2024.

Yes <https://www.hdsatelliteupgrade.co.uk>

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On 23/02/2023 12:45, Mark Carver wrote:

On 23/02/2023 12:38, NY wrote:

In my experience, SD is more resilient than HD to reception dropouts:
if I record something on BBC One or ITV SD, whether on terrestrial or
satellite, I get fewer glitches than if I record it on the HD
equivalent. Maybe the error-correction for SD is more rugged than that
for HD.

It's unlikely whether a channel is SD or HD is what defines robustness
of reception. It's at the modulation level (not the coding level) on the whole TS on a mux or t/p that shapes the error correction and symbol rates

Ah, I wasn't sure whether MPEG was more or less able than H264 to
correct for transport-level errors: ie to conceal the visible/audible
effect of them, even though they still occur.

Quite honestly given the fact everything from 28.2E pisses out of the
sky with a massive signal, if you are getting any sort of drop out on
any channel, you must have a problem with your receiving system.

Maybe. The problem seems to come and go, but it's not related to rain or
fog (ie atmospheric water). Very often rebooting my PVR (Raspberry Pi
with PCTV 491e tuner) seems to fix it, which almost makes me wonder
whether the tuner or its USB connection is getting into a funny state.
When it happens, I get maybe 10-30 "Continuity counter errors" per hour.

I might get an aerial/dish guy to check for accurate alignment of the
dish. I could also get him to check whether my terrestrial aerial is
optimum design for the range of mux frequencies that Belmont uses - I
have a feeling the aerial may date back to analogue days when a
different range of UHF frequencies were used. Certainly 562 MHz (COM4)
is significantly weaker than 514 or 490 (COM 5 and 6) although AIUI all
three COMs are transmitted at the same power. And I could ask him to
move my weather station wind-speed and -direction unit higher up the
pole than I've been able to reach with a two-section extending ladder.

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NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:k5ovtuFnc39U1@mid.individual.net...

On SD Freesat boxes it will be found on Ch 101. Next March it will go.
Hence the 'Red Screen' (aka Nightlight) notice advising you to upgrade
your box to HD.

I presume "next March" means March 2024. It's a shame for the sake of one mux, they couldn't have committed to keeping the non-regionalised SD
versions of their channels for longer. In my experience, SD is more
resilient than HD to reception dropouts: if I record something on BBC One or ITV SD, whether on terrestrial or satellite, I get fewer glitches than if I record it on the HD equivalent. Maybe the error-correction for SD is more rugged than that for HD.

Oh no!! I’ve just realised it is the national SD channel with no regional news. Perhaps a holding operation until they get their act together.

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Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:k5ovtuFnc39U1@mid.individual.net...

On SD Freesat boxes it will be found on Ch 101. Next March it will go. >>> Hence the 'Red Screen' (aka Nightlight) notice advising you to upgrade
your box to HD.

I presume "next March" means March 2024. It's a shame for the sake of one
mux, they couldn't have committed to keeping the non-regionalised SD
versions of their channels for longer. In my experience, SD is more
resilient than HD to reception dropouts: if I record something on BBC One or >> ITV SD, whether on terrestrial or satellite, I get fewer glitches than if I >> record it on the HD equivalent. Maybe the error-correction for SD is more
rugged than that for HD.

Oh no!! I’ve just realised it is the national SD channel with no regional news. Perhaps a holding operation until they get their act together.

Oops wrong thread. Time for a lie down.

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On Wed, 22 Feb 2023 21:31:27 +0000, Brian Gregory wrote:

On 22/02/2023 18:07, PeterC wrote:

for the last few days none of the 4-branded channels have appeared in
Freesat EPG on Foxsat HDR (5 was missing for a couple of days but 5+1 was
there!).
Same on TV, so it's not the Hummy.
Has 4 gone off in a huff?

https://www.cordbusters.co.uk/freesat-error-channel-4-missing-epg/

Thanks, glad it's not the box.

Bloody 106, BBC1 HD has moved, popped up again. Why? I got rid of that as
soon as it was vacant. Bloody Beeb.

It's not clear what you mean.

Simple: when 101 became BBC 1 EastHD, 106 said that BBC 1 HD had moved to
101. I edited the channel list to get rid of that and other channels that
had appeared. Yesterday some more local HD channls appeared and 106 was back with the same message. I guess that it was for those new areas that had
moved to 101.

Your local BBC is now, or will soon, only be available in HD.
I don't know but I guess an SD version may still be available for a
while but it won;t be localised. Perhaps it'll be Freesat 106.

Been HD for a couple of weeks or so. Local news is better but is still
upscaled HD and not brilliant.
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

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On 23/02/2023 17:12, NY wrote:

On 23/02/2023 12:45, Mark Carver wrote:

On 23/02/2023 12:38, NY wrote:

In my experience, SD is more resilient than HD to reception
dropouts: if I record something on BBC One or ITV SD, whether on
terrestrial or satellite, I get fewer glitches than if I record it
on the HD equivalent. Maybe the error-correction for SD is more
rugged than that for HD.

It's unlikely whether a channel is SD or HD is what defines
robustness of reception. It's at the modulation level (not the coding
level) on the whole TS on a mux or t/p that shapes the error
correction and symbol rates

Ah, I wasn't sure whether MPEG was more or less able than H264 to
correct for transport-level errors: ie to conceal the visible/audible
effect of them, even though they still occur.

Well, I can see where you're coming from, and that might be the case to
an extent I've just tried to read up on it, and my brain started to hurt.

DAB+ stations are more robust than DAB stations when they are carried on
the same mux. So there they are both carried in the same TS, so the
differences may well be DAB+'s greater ability to recover data ?

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