She was cruising the China seas to show the Chinese how powerful the Navy
is, the Chinese must be pissing themselves laughing.
On 14/02/2023 09:33, Jeff Gaines wrote:
She was cruising the China seas to show the Chinese how powerful the Navy
is, the Chinese must be pissing themselves laughing.
Must admit I had similar thoughts!
I was looking forward to this series after enjoying the series about HMS >Duncan.
However, it looks as if BBC "wokeness" is interfering with what could have >been an interesting series. We have a captain whose main object seems to
be scattering his brother's ashes to the corners of the globe, one officer >who keeps a diary indicating how happy he is each day, a variety of people
of various genders who think the most important thing about the Navy is
that it accepts them and finally a "gay pride" flag being flown.
She was cruising the China seas to show the Chinese how powerful the Navy
is, the Chinese must be pissing themselves laughing.
Isn't she escorted by a fleet of 9 NATO ships? Somebody posted a photo of
a
ship passing Sandsend a few days ago saying it was the QE. The ship's rear >third
was substantially lower than the rest of the ship and it was tiny compared
to
QE.
On 14/02/2023 09:33, Jeff Gaines wrote:
She was cruising the China seas to show the Chinese how powerful the Navy
is, the Chinese must be pissing themselves laughing.
Must admit I had similar thoughts!
I was looking forward to this series after enjoying the series about HMS Duncan.
However, it looks as if BBC "wokeness" is interfering with what could have been an interesting series. We have a captain whose main object seems to
be scattering his brother's ashes to the corners of the globe, one officer who keeps a diary indicating how happy he is each day, a variety of people
of various genders who think the most important thing about the Navy is
that it accepts them and finally a "gay pride" flag being flown.
She was cruising the China seas to show the Chinese how powerful the Navy
is, the Chinese must be pissing themselves laughing.
--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists
or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedies.
On 14/02/2023 in message <d2gnuhl44bk55ereqdu1i6v3f67bdir1fg@4ax.com>
Martin wrote:
Isn't she escorted by a fleet of 9 NATO ships? Somebody posted a photo of >>a
ship passing Sandsend a few days ago saying it was the QE. The ship's rear >>third
was substantially lower than the rest of the ship and it was tiny compared >>to
QE.
Yes, she has to be escorted wherever she goes to protect her. I think
that's true of all carriers.
In fact quite a lot of very interesting stuff has been shown happening
on the operational side. But no doubt the series' makers thought that
the audience would also be interested in the social side of life
on-board. I'd say the split of time has been something like 60% social,
40% operational. What's been impressive has been the general good humour
of the crew and how well people - often from very different backgrounds
- seem to get along. It may well be that they've cut out a lot of aggro
and bad temper. Though they've shown that life on board can get tedious
at times - particularly on this deployment, where a lot of port visits
got cancelled due to Covid - I suspect it will have been quite a good recruiting vehicle for the RN. (Except that young people are unlikely to
have been watching or recording BBC 2 on a Sunday evening or to watch it
on i-Player.)
Incidentally, I always thought I was fairly anti-woke and slightly to
the right of centre until I read some of the posts on here in recent
days. Now I realise that, in comparison, I'm a highly woke pinko. :)
John
Of course it could well be that the day to day running of the ship is so >ultra boring that what you saw was about the only mildly interesting things >that happened.
The way the TV audiences are today it seems only death, destruction or
people having heated arguments is what people want.
I did not see it, but if you go out to make a series and nothing happens
then what are you supposed to do?
Brian
On 14 Feb 2023 18:10:06 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
wrote:
On 14/02/2023 in message
<d2gnuhl44bk55ereqdu1i6v3f67bdir1fg@4ax.com> Martin wrote:
Isn't she escorted by a fleet of 9 NATO ships? Somebody posted a
photo of a
ship passing Sandsend a few days ago saying it was the QE. The
ship's rear third
was substantially lower than the rest of the ship and it was tiny >>compared to
QE.
Yes, she has to be escorted wherever she goes to protect her. I
think that's true of all carriers.
UK doesn't have a big enough navy to do that alone anymore. Other
countries in the same situation got rid of their carriers. The
Netherlands sold their ex- RN WWII carrier to Argentina, which didn't
dare use it in the Falklands war. They are a liability unless you
are fighting a country with no or very inferior air force, like North
Vietnam or the countries of the former Yugoslavia at war with each
other.
On 14 Feb 2023 18:10:06 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:
On 14/02/2023 in message <d2gnuhl44bk55ereqdu1i6v3f67bdir1fg@4ax.com> >>Martin wrote:
Isn't she escorted by a fleet of 9 NATO ships? Somebody posted a photo >>>of
a
ship passing Sandsend a few days ago saying it was the QE. The ship's >>>rear
third
was substantially lower than the rest of the ship and it was tiny >>>compared
to
QE.
Yes, she has to be escorted wherever she goes to protect her. I think >>that's true of all carriers.
UK doesn't have a big enough navy to do that alone anymore. Other
countries in
the same situation got rid of their carriers. The Netherlands sold their
ex- RN
WWII carrier to Argentina, which didn't dare use it in the Falklands war. >They
are a liability unless you are fighting a country with no or very
inferior air
force, like North Vietnam or the countries of the former Yugoslavia at
war with
each other.
There’s a very good operational reason for being accepting of people’s sexual orientation - if it’s accepted by the RN people can’t be blackmailed
because of it.
On 15/02/2023 in message <k8apuh1sth5eirmu77itk69b65abnbojr5@4ax.com>
Martin wrote:
On 14 Feb 2023 18:10:06 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:
On 14/02/2023 in message <d2gnuhl44bk55ereqdu1i6v3f67bdir1fg@4ax.com> >>>Martin wrote:
Isn't she escorted by a fleet of 9 NATO ships? Somebody posted a photo >>>>of
a
ship passing Sandsend a few days ago saying it was the QE. The ship's >>>>rear
third
was substantially lower than the rest of the ship and it was tiny >>>>compared
to
QE.
Yes, she has to be escorted wherever she goes to protect her. I think >>>that's true of all carriers.
UK doesn't have a big enough navy to do that alone anymore. Other
countries in
the same situation got rid of their carriers. The Netherlands sold their >>ex- RN
WWII carrier to Argentina, which didn't dare use it in the Falklands war. >>They
are a liability unless you are fighting a country with no or very
inferior air
force, like North Vietnam or the countries of the former Yugoslavia at
war with
each other.
That rather takes us back to our two carriers being a Gordon Brown >vanity/political project to give work to Scotland.
On 15/02/2023 10:34, Tweed wrote:
There’s a very good operational reason for being accepting of people’s >> sexual orientation - if it’s accepted by the RN people can’t be
blackmailed
because of it.
I always understood that the principle used during vetting was that it
did not matter what perversion someone had, provided they were open
about it so that it could not be used against them.
I was told of someone not wanting a particular posting which required an increased in his security level.
At the vetting interview he was asked if he was married.
No
Asked if he had a girlfiend.
No
Asked if he had a boyfriend
No
He was asked what he 'did'
He said he had a w##king machine and described in detail how it worked.
His CO asked the chap doing the vetting whether he would fail and was
told he would not because he told them about it (though both thought it
was just a ruse to get out of the posting!).
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