On 11/02/2023 21:24, pinnerite wrote:
My TV has a sound bar.
It is connected by an optical cable.
The TV itelf is connected to an ethernet switch, an HDMI cable
and by coax to TV aerial distribution amplifier.
People make things so complicated these days. A simple audio cable is sufficient. Even a headphone output will do. Some sound bars use
Bluetooth even though the bar is inches from the TV, and introduce
delays in the sound leading to loss of lip-sync.
Tried to find a TV with a headphone socket these days? Rocking horse
manure springs to mind....
On Sun 12/02/2023 14:17, Max Demian wrote:
On 11/02/2023 21:24, pinnerite wrote:
My TV has a sound bar.
It is connected by an optical cable.
The TV itelf is connected to an ethernet switch, an HDMI cable
and by coax to TV aerial distribution amplifier.
People make things so complicated these days. A simple audio cable is
sufficient. Even a headphone output will do. Some sound bars use
Bluetooth even though the bar is inches from the TV, and introduce
delays in the sound leading to loss of lip-sync.
Tried to find a TV with a headphone socket these days? Rocking horse
manure springs to mind....
On Sun, 12 Feb 2023 15:31:20 +0000, Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com>
wrote:
On Sun 12/02/2023 14:17, Max Demian wrote:
On 11/02/2023 21:24, pinnerite wrote:
My TV has a sound bar.
It is connected by an optical cable.
The TV itelf is connected to an ethernet switch, an HDMI cable
and by coax to TV aerial distribution amplifier.
People make things so complicated these days. A simple audio cable is >>>sufficient. Even a headphone output will do. Some sound bars use >>>Bluetooth even though the bar is inches from the TV, and introduce
delays in the sound leading to loss of lip-sync.
Tried to find a TV with a headphone socket these days? Rocking horse
manure springs to mind....
Better still, don't use the TV for reception at all but only picture
display, then you won't have this problem. Feed your PVR, streaming
device, satellite receiver, Bluray player and anything else through an
HDMI switch and then a single HDMI cable to the TV set.
You can derive an analogue signal for a hi-fi amplifier from an HDMI >pass-through audio extractor just after the switch, or you could use a
switch that includes one.
A setup like this means that if you need to replace the TV set you
don't need to worry about any obscure technical features because
you're only using a feature that they all have - HDMI input - which
widens your choice.
Rod.
On Sun, 12 Feb 2023 15:31:20 +0000, Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com>
wrote:
On Sun 12/02/2023 14:17, Max Demian wrote:
On 11/02/2023 21:24, pinnerite wrote:
My TV has a sound bar.
It is connected by an optical cable.
The TV itelf is connected to an ethernet switch, an HDMI cable
and by coax to TV aerial distribution amplifier.
People make things so complicated these days. A simple audio cable is
sufficient. Even a headphone output will do. Some sound bars use
Bluetooth even though the bar is inches from the TV, and introduce
delays in the sound leading to loss of lip-sync.
Tried to find a TV with a headphone socket these days? Rocking horse
manure springs to mind....
Better still, don't use the TV for reception at all but only picture
display, then you won't have this problem. Feed your PVR, streaming
device, satellite receiver, Bluray player and anything else through an
HDMI switch and then a single HDMI cable to the TV set.
You can derive an analogue signal for a hi-fi amplifier from an HDMI pass-through audio extractor just after the switch, or you could use a
switch that includes one.
On 13/02/2023 09:23, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Sun, 12 Feb 2023 15:31:20 +0000, Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com>
wrote:
On Sun 12/02/2023 14:17, Max Demian wrote:
On 11/02/2023 21:24, pinnerite wrote:
My TV has a sound bar.
It is connected by an optical cable.
The TV itelf is connected to an ethernet switch, an HDMI cable
and by coax to TV aerial distribution amplifier.
People make things so complicated these days. A simple audio cable is
sufficient. Even a headphone output will do. Some sound bars use
Bluetooth even though the bar is inches from the TV, and introduce
delays in the sound leading to loss of lip-sync.
Tried to find a TV with a headphone socket these days? Rocking horse
manure springs to mind....
Better still, don't use the TV for reception at all but only picture
display, then you won't have this problem. Feed your PVR, streaming
device, satellite receiver, Bluray player and anything else through an
HDMI switch and then a single HDMI cable to the TV set.
You can derive an analogue signal for a hi-fi amplifier from an HDMI
pass-through audio extractor just after the switch, or you could use a
switch that includes one.
Won't work with my VCR or LaserDisc. They both need SCART. And an extra
bit of kit. My current TV has four HDMI inputs; do modern ones have fewer?
The problem with using the TV itself to switch between HDMI inputs,
(if it even has enough of them) is that you would need a TV with an
audio output after its input selector, and they don't all have this.
On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 12:53:04 +0000, Max Demian
<max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 13/02/2023 09:23, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Sun, 12 Feb 2023 15:31:20 +0000, Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com>
wrote:
On Sun 12/02/2023 14:17, Max Demian wrote:
People make things so complicated these days. A simple audio cable is >>>>> sufficient. Even a headphone output will do. Some sound bars use
Bluetooth even though the bar is inches from the TV, and introduce
delays in the sound leading to loss of lip-sync.
Tried to find a TV with a headphone socket these days? Rocking horse
manure springs to mind....
Better still, don't use the TV for reception at all but only picture
display, then you won't have this problem. Feed your PVR, streaming
device, satellite receiver, Bluray player and anything else through an
HDMI switch and then a single HDMI cable to the TV set.
You can derive an analogue signal for a hi-fi amplifier from an HDMI
pass-through audio extractor just after the switch, or you could use a
switch that includes one.
Won't work with my VCR or LaserDisc. They both need SCART. And an extra
bit of kit. My current TV has four HDMI inputs; do modern ones have fewer?
The problem with using the TV itself to switch between HDMI inputs,
(if it even has enough of them) is that you would need a TV with an
audio output after its input selector, and they don't all have this.
Also, you need a thick the bundle of cables going to the TV - one more
than the number of HDMI sources that you want, to include one for the
sound coming back to the hi-fi amplifier. If you do all the switching elsewhere, the TV only needs two reasonably thin cables - power and
HDMI - which is much easier to manage if you have to route them to a
wall bracket. It also means that if you ever need to replace the TV
you don't need to worry about what features it has.
If you really must preserve something that only has a SCART output,
just type "scart to hdmi adaptor" into the search box on Amazon and
you'll see a choice of fairly cheap devices that would probably do the
trick. The only SCART device I still have is a VHS machine that is fed
as an input to a PVR and DVD recorder that has a SCART output. I used
it once a few weeks ago to make a DVD copy for a family member, and I couldn't even remember when I had last used it before then, but it was definitely several years. It might be worth dividing AV gubbins into
two categories, the stuff that gets used every day, and the stuff that
could be kept on a trolley in a cupboard and only wheeled in and
connected up on the rare occasions when it's needed. Just a thought.
On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 09:52:00 +0000
Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
The problem with using the TV itself to switch between HDMI inputs,
(if it even has enough of them) is that you would need a TV with an
audio output after its input selector, and they don't all have this.
Yup, my 12-year old Toshiba is like this. It's most annoying. If I use
the PVR as a video source, the TV set still sends out the audio from
whatever TV Channel it's tuned to. So I have to provide a method of
sending each external device's sound output individually to the Hi-Fi
for the loudspeakers.
And the set has 3 HDMI inputs, and with my new Firestick, I now have 4 >external HDMI devices. Time for an HDMI switch.
You have a DVD recorder that can record from an external source, like
VCR? Lucky you. I used to have one of them, but my current (Panasonic)
one will only record from Freeview (via HDD).
On 2/12/2023 9:17 AM, Max Demian wrote:
On 11/02/2023 21:24, pinnerite wrote:
My TV has a sound bar.
It is connected by an optical cable.
The TV itelf is connected to an ethernet switch, an HDMI cable
and by coax to TV aerial distribution amplifier.
People make things so complicated these days. A simple audio cable is sufficient. Even a headphone output will do. Some sound bars use Bluetooth even though the bar is inches from the TV, and introduce delays in the sound leading to loss of lip-sync.
The connection method affects the channel configuration you can do.
A TOSLink is stereo or AC3 5.1, or can be quad (at reduced quality).
And I've never run into someone with a working quad option (as proof
there really is a quad option). There may not be enough bandwidth in
the bitstream for a more-fancy format.
The TOSLink in stereo mode, should be every bit as good as analog stereo, and with the optical path, there's no ground loop.
"TOSLINK cables are usually limited to 5 meters in length,
with a technical maximum of 10 meters"
And that's because the transmitter and receiver, have
low material cost. They do the link, the way a hobbyist
would create a link. One benefit of the choice of visible
red light, is it's easier to check "it's working".
Paul
On 18/02/2023 11:17, Adrian Caspersz wrote:SNIP
Do turntables have optical outputs?
And why is the whole caboodle calledNo eye deer.
a turntable so you have to say "platter" for the bit that goes round?
And why aren't the preamps of both the turntable and amplifier
switchable so you can plug anything into anything?
On 18/02/2023 16:53, Rod Speed wrote:
On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 23:28:27 +1100, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com>
wrote:
I think there's something funny about airports, especially the foreign
language terms for entry and exit. Does exit mean the exit to the plane,
Nope, thats the gate.
What about foreign airports with their funny foreign names?
or to the countryside?
To outside the terminal.
Maybe it's only confusing if you don't know the lingo.
On 2/12/2023 9:17 AM, Max Demian wrote:
On 11/02/2023 21:24, pinnerite wrote:
My TV has a sound bar.
It is connected by an optical cable.
The TV itelf is connected to an ethernet switch, an HDMI cable
and by coax to TV aerial distribution amplifier.
People make things so complicated these days. A simple audio cable is sufficient. Even a headphone output will do. Some sound bars use Bluetooth even though the bar is inches from the TV, and introduce delays in the sound leading to loss of lip-sync.
The connection method affects the channel configuration you can do.
A TOSLink is stereo or AC3 5.1, or can be quad (at reduced quality).
And I've never run into someone with a working quad option (as proof
there really is a quad option). There may not be enough bandwidth in
the bitstream for a more-fancy format.
The TOSLink in stereo mode, should be every bit as good as analog stereo,
and with the optical path, there's no ground loop.
"TOSLINK cables are usually limited to 5 meters in length,
with a technical maximum of 10 meters"
And that's because the transmitter and receiver, have
low material cost. They do the link, the way a hobbyist
would create a link. One benefit of the choice of visible
red light, is it's easier to check "it's working".
Paul
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