"Eddie King" <xxxeddie_ce@gmx.net> wrote in message news:k4h7uvFi0gnU1@mid.individual.net...

Good morning,

I have started a new thread as I don't want to hi-jack the previous
thread.

I have a Toppy which I use to receive Freesat. I am rather confused over where to find the relevant BBC region for March in Cambs. On the interweb there seems to be conflicting information. Are there SD and HD versions?

Can anybody suipply me with the relevant technical info so that I can
retune my Toppy. At present I seem to be getting BBC East in SD but with
no EPG information. This has been the case for a few days now.

I would be grateful for any assistance.

https://rxtvinfo.com/2023/bbc-hd-upgrade-latest/ says that BBC One East HD
is on multiplex 10818V SID 10373, which I think Freesat boxes put on channel 101 where the SD version used to be. BBC One East (SD) is on 10788V SID
10306, but I'm not sure which channel number it's on.

I suggest that you investigate the difference while the local news is broadcasting, then you can be sure that you've got the correct region. Then when you've identified the two LCNs (SD and HD) for the East region, check after the local news, when the HD channel should be showing HD images rather than upscaled SD from the region, to distinguish between the two.

I've just checked and both SD and HD for East on my PVR are showing EPG listings.

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Good morning,

I have started a new thread as I don't want to hi-jack the previous thread.

I have a Toppy which I use to receive Freesat. I am rather confused over
where to find the relevant BBC region for March in Cambs. On the
interweb there seems to be conflicting information. Are there SD and HD versions?

Can anybody suipply me with the relevant technical info so that I can
retune my Toppy. At present I seem to be getting BBC East in SD but with
no EPG information. This has been the case for a few days now.

I would be grateful for any assistance.

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On 08/02/2023 10:18, alan_m wrote:

On 08/02/2023 09:36, NY wrote:

I've just checked and both SD and HD for East on my PVR are showing
EPG listings.

The Toppy doesn't have HD tuners so another variable is the SD channel
being transmitted on a HD MUX?

BBC 1 East SD will have, or very soon will have ceased on D-Sat.

Between now and the end of February, all regional versions of BBC 1 SD
regions will cease, replaced by a single national version of BBC 1 SD.

If you wish to watch regional BBC 1 programmes on satellite, you will
need to do so on HD.

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In article <k4hbitFhl3pU2@mid.individual.net>,
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:

Between now and the end of February, all regional versions of BBC 1
SD regions will cease, replaced by a single national version of
BBC 1 SD.

If you wish to watch regional BBC 1 programmes on satellite, you
will need to do so on HD.

So if the intention is that there will be no local BBC1 in SD what
about Freeview? Okay so I presume that 101 will become BBC1 'local'
HD ? but what happens to LCN 1? Does that become national BBC1 SD?

Be good if I can stretch this to justify replacing a T1 only small
Sony tv (19BX200) in our upstairs office. Oddly this tv has no
problem with an HD 1080p broadcast provided it's not on a T2 mux.

Bob.

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On 08/02/2023 09:36, NY wrote:

I've just checked and both SD and HD for East on my PVR are showing EPG listings.

The Toppy doesn't have HD tuners so another variable is the SD channel
being transmitted on a HD MUX?

(I ditched my Toppy in 2014 and purchased a Enigma 2 receiver with both
T2 and satellite tuners)

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Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

In article <k4hbitFhl3pU2@mid.individual.net>,
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:

Between now and the end of February, all regional versions of BBC 1
SD regions will cease, replaced by a single national version of
BBC 1 SD.

If you wish to watch regional BBC 1 programmes on satellite, you
will need to do so on HD.

So if the intention is that there will be no local BBC1 in SD what
about Freeview? Okay so I presume that 101 will become BBC1 'local'
HD ? but what happens to LCN 1? Does that become national BBC1 SD?

Be good if I can stretch this to justify replacing a T1 only small
Sony tv (19BX200) in our upstairs office. Oddly this tv has no
problem with an HD 1080p broadcast provided it's not on a T2 mux.

I fail to understand what HD will add to the regional news! It's
already 'not news' just a couple of apparently random stories and most
of it is just talking heads in the studio which might just as well be
sound only.

--
Chris Green
·

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On 08/02/2023 11:10, Bob Latham wrote:

In article <k4hbitFhl3pU2@mid.individual.net>,
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:

Between now and the end of February, all regional versions of BBC 1
SD regions will cease, replaced by a single national version of
BBC 1 SD.
If you wish to watch regional BBC 1 programmes on satellite, you
will need to do so on HD.

So if the intention is that there will be no local BBC1 in SD what
about Freeview? Okay so I presume that 101 will become BBC1 'local'
HD ? but what happens to LCN 1? Does that become national BBC1 SD?

Be good if I can stretch this to justify replacing a T1 only small
Sony tv (19BX200) in our upstairs office. Oddly this tv has no
problem with an HD 1080p broadcast provided it's not on a T2 mux.

There's a key word in my last sentence; Satellite

We're only talking about the BBC ceasing SD broadcasts on Satellite,
because simulcasting all the regions in
SD *and* HD  would consume loads of transponder space, and given there
are not many SD Freesat boxes in use (because not many were ever made)
and Sky don't have many in use (and they will know exactly how many are
still in use by active subscribers) the Beeb are scrubbing SD via Satellite.

Step 1 is this month, replacing the 14 or so versions of BBC 1 SD with
HD, and leaving a single national SD version of BBC 1

Step 2 is this time next year, when SD versions of BBC 2, 3, 4, News cease.

It's all in this link I posted in November, that no one bothered to read,

https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/articles/2022/BBC-One-HD-rollout-England

Freeview is unaffected. The BBC 1 HD regions will launch in a month or
two,  but the SD versions will continue for the time being.

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In article <k4h7uvFi0gnU1@mid.individual.net>,

Eddie King says...

At present I seem to be getting BBC East in SD but with
no EPG information. This has been the case for a few days now.

BBC East SD no longer appears in the channel list after a retune, it has
been replaced by East HD. To receive East SD a manual retune to 10788,
22000, V in non Freesat mode is required.

On my box this now shows the name of the channel as ETVS and being non
freesat, there is is no EPG info.


What message do you get if you tune to the BBC Information channel on
799?

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On 08/02/2023 11:24, Chris Green wrote:

Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

In article <k4hbitFhl3pU2@mid.individual.net>,
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:

Between now and the end of February, all regional versions of BBC 1
SD regions will cease, replaced by a single national version of
BBC 1 SD.
If you wish to watch regional BBC 1 programmes on satellite, you
will need to do so on HD.

So if the intention is that there will be no local BBC1 in SD what
about Freeview? Okay so I presume that 101 will become BBC1 'local'
HD ? but what happens to LCN 1? Does that become national BBC1 SD?

Be good if I can stretch this to justify replacing a T1 only small
Sony tv (19BX200) in our upstairs office. Oddly this tv has no
problem with an HD 1080p broadcast provided it's not on a T2 mux.

I fail to understand what HD will add to the regional news! It's
already 'not news' just a couple of apparently random stories and most
of it is just talking heads in the studio which might just as well be
sound only.

This is not about providing regional news in HD per se (and in most
regions isn't)

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On 08.02.2023 10:22, Eddie King wrote:

Good morning,

I have started a new thread as I don't want to hi-jack the previous thread.

I have a Toppy which I use to receive Freesat. I am rather confused over where to find the relevant BBC region for March in Cambs. On the
interweb there seems to be conflicting information. Are there SD and HD versions?

Can anybody suipply me with the relevant technical info so that I can
retune my Toppy. At present I seem to be getting BBC East in SD but with
no EPG information. This has been the case for a few days now.

I would be grateful for any assistance.

Thank you all for your replies, Mark thank you, as usual you have come
up trumps :-)

I have retuned to 10818V. As I am living in an extreme fringe area for
Astra 2E/F/G and using a 1,50m dish I always preferred 10773 as it
seemed to be the strongest transponder at my location. I will see how I
fare with 10818, hopefully it will be stable as other transponders eg.
12129V tend to drop out early evening..

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On 08/02/2023 11:49, Unsteadyken wrote:

In article <k4h7uvFi0gnU1@mid.individual.net>,

Eddie King says...

At present I seem to be getting BBC East in SD but with
no EPG information. This has been the case for a few days now.

BBC East SD no longer appears in the channel list after a retune, it has
been replaced by East HD. To receive East SD a manual retune to 10788,
22000, V in non Freesat mode is required.

On my box this now shows the name of the channel as ETVS and being non freesat, there is is no EPG info.

What message do you get if you tune to the BBC Information channel on
799?

The Toppy isn't a Freesat box, it doesn't read the Freesat 7 day EPG
does it ?

So there is no 'Ch 799' for him ?

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On 08/02/2023 12:24, Eddie King wrote:

On 08.02.2023 10:22, Eddie King wrote:

Good morning,

I have started a new thread as I don't want to hi-jack the previous
thread.

I have a Toppy which I use to receive Freesat. I am rather confused
over where to find the relevant BBC region for March in Cambs. On the
interweb there seems to be conflicting information. Are there SD and
HD versions?

Can anybody suipply me with the relevant technical info so that I can
retune my Toppy. At present I seem to be getting BBC East in SD but
with no EPG information. This has been the case for a few days now.

I would be grateful for any assistance.

Thank you all for your replies, Mark thank you, as usual you have come
up trumps :-)

I have retuned to 10818V. As I am living in an extreme fringe area for
Astra 2E/F/G and using a 1,50m dish I always preferred 10773 as it
seemed to be the strongest transponder at my location. I will see how
I fare with 10818, hopefully it will be stable as other transponders
eg. 12129V tend to drop out early evening..

10818V is only carrying HD services now

https://www.lyngsat.com/Astra-2E.html

There's a lot of tetris going on with BBC 1 on transponders this month,
so services will chop and change every couple of days.

If you want BBC 1 SD, you'll need to pick whatever one remains on an
almost day to day basis, until all the regions have migrated to HD in a
month from now.

In a month's time there will be just a single BBC 1 SD national stream
(with red screen during the local slots) but not easy to say which t/p
it will end up on !

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"Chris Green" <cl@isbd.net> wrote in message news:7ddcbj-ka5l2.ln1@esprimo.zbmc.eu...

Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

In article <k4hbitFhl3pU2@mid.individual.net>,
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:

Between now and the end of February, all regional versions of BBC 1
SD regions will cease, replaced by a single national version of
BBC 1 SD.

If you wish to watch regional BBC 1 programmes on satellite, you
will need to do so on HD.

So if the intention is that there will be no local BBC1 in SD what
about Freeview? Okay so I presume that 101 will become BBC1 'local'
HD ? but what happens to LCN 1? Does that become national BBC1 SD?

Be good if I can stretch this to justify replacing a T1 only small
Sony tv (19BX200) in our upstairs office. Oddly this tv has no
problem with an HD 1080p broadcast provided it's not on a T2 mux.

I've not checked. Are there any channels that are broadcast in HD on a T1
mux? I know it doesn't happen for terrestrial, but what about satellite? If satellite does have some HD channels on T1, how is the mix of MPEG1 (SD) and H264 (HD) handled?

I fail to understand what HD will add to the regional news! It's
already 'not news' just a couple of apparently random stories and most
of it is just talking heads in the studio which might just as well be
sound only.

The main advantage of the work that they are doing at the moment is that
people can watch/record local news from the same channel that has just
played the national news, without needing to change from HD to SD and back again afterwards. I suppose everything should be made in HD: no reason for local news to be the odd one out. And a news report of a local event is just
as worthy of being shown in HD as a national news report.

Sometimes there is a regional split for other programmes (for example Food
Fest England, 20:30 on Monday 6 Feb): different episodes of a documentary
which are premiered in the regions (simultaneously, each region shows a different episode) and then at a later date the whole series is shown nationally, one episode a week. Are those programmes made in SD or HD? What
is the workflow for that situation: for the original showing, do the regions send tapes/files of their episode to a central HD-capable playout
department, or is each region responsible for sending its own programme directly to its own transmitters and the relevant satellite mux? In other words, as things stand at present with some regions not being geared for HD local news, would they also not be able to show their regional documentary episode in HD even if they made it in that format?

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"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:k4hf23Fhl3pU3@mid.individual.net...

On 08/02/2023 11:10, Bob Latham wrote:

If you wish to watch regional BBC 1 programmes on satellite, you
will need to do so on HD.

So if the intention is that there will be no local BBC1 in SD what
about Freeview? Okay so I presume that 101 will become BBC1 'local'
HD ? but what happens to LCN 1? Does that become national BBC1 SD?

Be good if I can stretch this to justify replacing a T1 only small
Sony tv (19BX200) in our upstairs office. Oddly this tv has no
problem with an HD 1080p broadcast provided it's not on a T2 mux.

There's a key word in my last sentence; Satellite

We're only talking about the BBC ceasing SD broadcasts on Satellite,
because simulcasting all the regions in
SD *and* HD would consume loads of transponder space, and given there are not many SD Freesat boxes in use (because not many were ever made)
and Sky don't have many in use (and they will know exactly how many are
still in use by active subscribers) the Beeb are scrubbing SD via
Satellite.

I can't work out why BBC 1 SD (non-regionalised) is only staying on
satellite *temporarily* (they use the word "nightlight"). It's only a single channel, so it's not much, and it keeps SD for anyone who wants it and who can't get good terrestrial reception. It avoids those any remaining T1-only
TVs and PVRs going obsolete.

Are the other BBC channels (2, 3, 4, Parliament and News) keeping their SD versions as well as the existing HD versions, or are the BBC intending to
kill off SD versions of *all* their channels on satellite and confining them
to terrestrial, once the "nightlight" period is over?

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In article <k4hil6Fhl3pU5@mid.individual.net>,

Mark Carver says...

The Toppy isn't a Freesat box, it doesn't read the Freesat 7 day EPG
does it ?

Dunno, I was going by the subject:-)

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Mark Carver wrote:

n a month's time there will be just a single BBC 1 SD national stream
(with red screen during the local slots)

Why do they persist with the red screens? Why not always use london,
rotate regions on a schedule between or pick a random region each day,
or something?

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Chris Green wrote:

I fail to understand what HD will add to the regional news!

Isn't it about providing "some news" rather than a red screen?

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On 08/02/2023 12:25, NY wrote:

"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:k4hf23Fhl3pU3@mid.individual.net...

On 08/02/2023 11:10, Bob Latham wrote:

If you wish to watch regional BBC 1 programmes on satellite, you
will need to do so on HD.

So if the intention is that there will be no local BBC1 in SD what
about Freeview? Okay so I presume that 101 will become BBC1 'local'
HD ? but what happens to LCN 1? Does that become national BBC1 SD?

Be good if I can stretch this to justify replacing a T1 only small
Sony tv (19BX200) in our upstairs office. Oddly this tv has no
problem with an HD 1080p broadcast provided it's not on a T2 mux.

There's a key word in my last sentence; Satellite

We're only talking about the BBC ceasing SD broadcasts on Satellite,
because simulcasting all the regions in
SD *and* HD  would consume loads of transponder space, and given
there are not many SD Freesat boxes in use (because not many were
ever made)
and Sky don't have many in use (and they will know exactly how many
are still in use by active subscribers) the Beeb are scrubbing SD via
Satellite.

I can't work out why BBC 1 SD (non-regionalised) is only staying on
satellite *temporarily* (they use the word "nightlight"). It's only a
single channel, so it's not much, and it keeps SD for anyone who wants
it and who can't get good terrestrial reception. It avoids those any remaining T1-only TVs and PVRs going obsolete.

Because the BBC want to close all SD services on satellite.  Over the
next year they hope to flush out remaining users/boxes. If there's an
outcry, they might well rethink things.

Are the other BBC channels (2, 3, 4, Parliament and News) keeping
their SD versions as well as the existing HD versions, or are the BBC intending to kill off SD versions of *all* their channels on satellite
and confining them to terrestrial, once the "nightlight" period is over?

It's all explained in the BBC link I've posted twice now,  that no one
can be bothered to read.

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On 08/02/2023 13:06, Andy Burns wrote:

Mark Carver wrote:

n a month's time there will be just a single BBC 1 SD national stream
(with red screen during the local slots)

Why do they persist with the red screens?  Why not always use london,
rotate regions on a schedule between or pick a random region each day,
or something?

I think the idea of the Red Screen on the national BBC 1 SD stream, is
to publicise that SD is going, and get the punters to take action, so to
have a rotating region on there will just confuse matters further.

It only gets mapped to Ch 101 on SD Freesat and SD Sky boxes.

If you have an HD box, you'll (or will soon) get your local BBC 1 as a
HD variant on 101.

You won't see the BBC SD stream at all on HD Freesat boxes. For fans of schadenfreude, you can see it Sky HD boxes at 801.

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On 08/02/2023 14:28, Bob Latham wrote:

I did read it at the time but had forgotten much of it. It's an age
thing.

What is ?   :-)

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In article <k4hf23Fhl3pU3@mid.individual.net>,
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:

It's all in this link I posted in November, that no one bothered to
read,

https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/articles/2022/BBC-One-HD-rollout-England

I did read it at the time but had forgotten much of it. It's an age
thing.

Bob.

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They do have a bit of a convoluted way of explaining things though. One
might suspect that they really cannot be bothered, and so they have not actually promoted it much. I don't know anyone who has heard of this at all.
I guess in London it won't make a lot of difference.
Brian

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"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:k4hnboFkmqjU1@mid.individual.net...

On 08/02/2023 12:25, NY wrote:

"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:k4hf23Fhl3pU3@mid.individual.net...

On 08/02/2023 11:10, Bob Latham wrote:

If you wish to watch regional BBC 1 programmes on satellite, you
will need to do so on HD.

So if the intention is that there will be no local BBC1 in SD what
about Freeview? Okay so I presume that 101 will become BBC1 'local'
HD ? but what happens to LCN 1? Does that become national BBC1 SD?

Be good if I can stretch this to justify replacing a T1 only small
Sony tv (19BX200) in our upstairs office. Oddly this tv has no
problem with an HD 1080p broadcast provided it's not on a T2 mux.

There's a key word in my last sentence; Satellite

We're only talking about the BBC ceasing SD broadcasts on Satellite,
because simulcasting all the regions in
SD *and* HD would consume loads of transponder space, and given there
are not many SD Freesat boxes in use (because not many were ever made)
and Sky don't have many in use (and they will know exactly how many are
still in use by active subscribers) the Beeb are scrubbing SD via
Satellite.

I can't work out why BBC 1 SD (non-regionalised) is only staying on
satellite *temporarily* (they use the word "nightlight"). It's only a
single channel, so it's not much, and it keeps SD for anyone who wants it
and who can't get good terrestrial reception. It avoids those any
remaining T1-only TVs and PVRs going obsolete.

Because the BBC want to close all SD services on satellite. Over the next year they hope to flush out remaining users/boxes. If there's an outcry,
they might well rethink things.

Are the other BBC channels (2, 3, 4, Parliament and News) keeping their
SD versions as well as the existing HD versions, or are the BBC intending
to kill off SD versions of *all* their channels on satellite and
confining them to terrestrial, once the "nightlight" period is over?

It's all explained in the BBC link I've posted twice now, that no one can
be bothered to read.

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On 09/02/2023 09:03, Brian Gaff wrote:

They do have a bit of a convoluted way of explaining things though. One
might suspect that they really cannot be bothered, and so they have not actually promoted it much. I don't know anyone who has heard of this at all.
I guess in London it won't make a lot of difference.

Are you suggesting no SD only satellite boxes are in use in London ?

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On Wed, 8 Feb 2023 13:45:28 +0000, Mark Carver
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:

It's all explained in the BBC link I've posted twice now,  that no one
can be bothered to read.

I read it - but only once. Should I do so again?
I don't have this statelite thing though.

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Mark Carver wrote:

the BBC want to close all SD services on satellite.  Over the next year
they hope to flush out remaining users/boxes. If there's an outcry [...]

Would the BBC even *hear* an outcry?

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On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 08:23:11 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

Mark Carver wrote:

the BBC want to close all SD services on satellite.  Over the next year
they hope to flush out remaining users/boxes. If there's an outcry [...]

Would the BBC even *hear* an outcry?

Not with the current DG.
--

Martin in Zuid Holland

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