• Re: TV Regions

    From Woody@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Mon Jan 30 16:53:23 2023
    On Mon 30/01/2023 16:42, Mark Carver wrote:
    On 30/01/2023 16:28, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    Can anybody tell me why BBC and ITV think that my SP6 postcode (I live
    in Dorset, 3 miles west of Fordingbridge) is in the Meridan TV region?
    It wouldn't normally matter but ITV news were filming in the village
    today.

    You're well inside the Meridian (South Coast) and BBC South regions, by
    quite some measure.

    You're not in the West Region
    http://tx.mb21.co.uk/mapsys/anatv/mendip.gif

    Or the South West Region
    http://tx.mb21.co.uk/mapsys/anatv/stocklandhill.gif

    If it was ITV News rather than Meridian News surely it will be on the
    national bulletin?

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to Woody on Mon Jan 30 17:01:17 2023
    On 30/01/2023 16:53, Woody wrote:
    On Mon 30/01/2023 16:42, Mark Carver wrote:
    On 30/01/2023 16:28, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    Can anybody tell me why BBC and ITV think that my SP6 postcode (I
    live in Dorset, 3 miles west of Fordingbridge) is in the Meridan TV
    region? It wouldn't normally matter but ITV news were filming in the
    village today.

    You're well inside the Meridian (South Coast) and BBC South regions,
    by quite some measure.

    You're not in the West Region
    http://tx.mb21.co.uk/mapsys/anatv/mendip.gif

    Or the South West Region
    http://tx.mb21.co.uk/mapsys/anatv/stocklandhill.gif

    If it was ITV News rather than Meridian News surely it will be on the national bulletin?

    All the news vans are simply branded 'ITV News', they can be used
    'locally' or 'nationally' (or both).
    In fact I've seen a few that have triple, 'ITV/C4/C5' branding, because
    of course ITN provide national news programmes for all three of those
    channels

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to mark.carver@invalid.invalid on Mon Jan 30 17:10:32 2023
    On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 17:01:17 +0000, Mark Carver
    <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 30/01/2023 16:53, Woody wrote:
    On Mon 30/01/2023 16:42, Mark Carver wrote:
    On 30/01/2023 16:28, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    Can anybody tell me why BBC and ITV think that my SP6 postcode (I
    live in Dorset, 3 miles west of Fordingbridge) is in the Meridan TV
    region? It wouldn't normally matter but ITV news were filming in the
    village today.

    You're well inside the Meridian (South Coast) and BBC South regions,
    by quite some measure.

    You're not in the West Region
    http://tx.mb21.co.uk/mapsys/anatv/mendip.gif

    Or the South West Region
    http://tx.mb21.co.uk/mapsys/anatv/stocklandhill.gif

    If it was ITV News rather than Meridian News surely it will be on the
    national bulletin?

    All the news vans are simply branded 'ITV News', they can be used
    'locally' or 'nationally' (or both).
    In fact I've seen a few that have triple, 'ITV/C4/C5' branding, because
    of course ITN provide national news programmes for all three of those >channels

    In that case, why does OP think the presence of a film crew means the
    location is within Meridian region? I assumed he saw Meridian vans.
    Or maybe staff uniforms are branded Meridian even if the vans are not?

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 30 16:40:20 2023
    On 30 Jan 2023 16:28:22 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
    wrote:

    Can anybody tell me why BBC and ITV think that my SP6 postcode (I live in >Dorset, 3 miles west of Fordingbridge) is in the Meridan TV region? It >wouldn't normally matter but ITV news were filming in the village today.

    Whether it is or isn't, surely ITV would send any available outside
    broadcast unit given they are one company.

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 30 16:28:22 2023
    Can anybody tell me why BBC and ITV think that my SP6 postcode (I live in Dorset, 3 miles west of Fordingbridge) is in the Meridan TV region? It
    wouldn't normally matter but ITV news were filming in the village today.

    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    Indecision is the key to flexibility

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Mon Jan 30 16:42:09 2023
    On 30/01/2023 16:28, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    Can anybody tell me why BBC and ITV think that my SP6 postcode (I live
    in Dorset, 3 miles west of Fordingbridge) is in the Meridan TV region?
    It wouldn't normally matter but ITV news were filming in the village
    today.

    You're well inside the Meridian (South Coast) and BBC South regions, by
    quite some measure.

    You're not in the West Region
    http://tx.mb21.co.uk/mapsys/anatv/mendip.gif

    Or the South West Region
    http://tx.mb21.co.uk/mapsys/anatv/stocklandhill.gif

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to Scott on Mon Jan 30 17:15:59 2023
    On 30/01/2023 17:10, Scott wrote:
    On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 17:01:17 +0000, Mark Carver
    <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 30/01/2023 16:53, Woody wrote:
    On Mon 30/01/2023 16:42, Mark Carver wrote:
    On 30/01/2023 16:28, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    Can anybody tell me why BBC and ITV think that my SP6 postcode (I
    live in Dorset, 3 miles west of Fordingbridge) is in the Meridan TV
    region? It wouldn't normally matter but ITV news were filming in the >>>>> village today.

    You're well inside the Meridian (South Coast) and BBC South regions,
    by quite some measure.

    You're not in the West Region
    http://tx.mb21.co.uk/mapsys/anatv/mendip.gif

    Or the South West Region
    http://tx.mb21.co.uk/mapsys/anatv/stocklandhill.gif
    If it was ITV News rather than Meridian News surely it will be on the
    national bulletin?
    All the news vans are simply branded 'ITV News', they can be used
    'locally' or 'nationally' (or both).
    In fact I've seen a few that have triple, 'ITV/C4/C5' branding, because
    of course ITN provide national news programmes for all three of those
    channels
    In that case, why does OP think the presence of a film crew means the location is within Meridian region? I assumed he saw Meridian vans.
    Or maybe staff uniforms are branded Meridian even if the vans are not?
    He does live fairly deep inside the Meridian region, so I'm confused
    what the issue is ?

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to Scott on Mon Jan 30 17:19:39 2023
    On 30/01/2023 in message <acufth12na8qm2j2qeche54tjhn09vminj@4ax.com>
    Scott wrote:

    If it was ITV News rather than Meridian News surely it will be on the >>>national bulletin?

    All the news vans are simply branded 'ITV News', they can be used
    'locally' or 'nationally' (or both).
    In fact I've seen a few that have triple, 'ITV/C4/C5' branding, because
    of course ITN provide national news programmes for all three of those >>channels

    In that case, why does OP think the presence of a film crew means the >location is within Meridian region? I assumed he saw Meridian vans.
    Or maybe staff uniforms are branded Meridian even if the vans are not?

    It's my Freesat and Freeview boxes that say I'm in the Meridian area. My X
    came from Coventry which I thought was Meridan so to be avoided at all
    costs. It seems that Meridian is different but probably accurate.

    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    640k ought to be enough for anyone.
    (Bill Gates, 1981)

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Mon Jan 30 17:30:39 2023
    On 30/01/2023 17:19, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 30/01/2023 in message <acufth12na8qm2j2qeche54tjhn09vminj@4ax.com>
    Scott wrote:

    If it was ITV News rather than Meridian News surely it will be on the
    national bulletin?

    All the news vans are simply branded 'ITV News', they can be used
    'locally' or 'nationally' (or both).
    In fact I've seen a few that have triple, 'ITV/C4/C5' branding, because
    of course ITN provide national news programmes for all three of those
    channels

    In that case, why does OP think the presence of a film crew means the
    location is within Meridian region?  I assumed he saw Meridian vans.
    Or maybe staff uniforms are branded Meridian even if the vans are not?

    It's my Freesat and Freeview boxes that say I'm in the Meridian area.
    My X came from Coventry which I thought was Meridan so to be avoided
    at all costs. It seems that Meridian is different but probably accurate.

    Coventry is deep inside the Central region !

    This map may help ! https://rxtvinfo.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/rx-itv-regions-1.png

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Mon Jan 30 17:17:21 2023
    In article <xn0nxgw3u33bte700f@news.individual.net>,
    Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:

    Can anybody tell me why BBC and ITV think that my SP6 postcode (I live in Dorset, 3 miles west of Fordingbridge) is in the Meridan TV region? It wouldn't normally matter but ITV news were filming in the village today.

    The TV Region is determined by transmitter coverage, not Post Codes,

    --
    from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4té
    "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 30 18:06:27 2023
    On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 17:32:50 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
    wrote:

    Jeff Gaines wrote:

    It's my Freesat and Freeview boxes that say I'm in the Meridian area. My
    X came from Coventry which I thought was Meridan

    Meriden.

    No - Meridian is correct.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Mon Jan 30 17:32:50 2023
    Jeff Gaines wrote:

    It's my Freesat and Freeview boxes that say I'm in the Meridian area. My
    X came from Coventry which I thought was Meridan

    Meriden.

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Mon Jan 30 17:51:54 2023
    On 30/01/2023 17:32, Andy Burns wrote:
    Jeff Gaines wrote:

    It's my Freesat and Freeview boxes that say I'm in the Meridian area.
    My X came from Coventry which I thought was Meridan

    Meriden.

    Isn't that the furthest place in England from the sea ?

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 30 18:53:57 2023
    On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 18:26:42 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
    wrote:

    Scott wrote:

    Andy Burns wrote:

    Jeff Gaines wrote:

    It's my Freesat and Freeview boxes that say I'm in the Meridian area. My >>>> X came from Coventry which I thought was Meridan

    Meriden.

    No - Meridian is correct.

    Meridian may be the Jeff's TV region, but
    Meriden (not Meridan) is the name of the place near Coventry

    Surely the Freeview and Freesat boxes would name the TV region, not a
    small village?

    That said, I think my Humax box says 'Central Scotland' - not STV or
    STV (Central).

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to Scott on Mon Jan 30 19:12:37 2023
    On 30/01/2023 18:19, Scott wrote:
    On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 17:17:21 +0000 (GMT), charles
    <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

    In article <xn0nxgw3u33bte700f@news.individual.net>,
    Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:

    Can anybody tell me why BBC and ITV think that my SP6 postcode (I live in >>> Dorset, 3 miles west of Fordingbridge) is in the Meridan TV region? It
    wouldn't normally matter but ITV news were filming in the village today.
    The TV Region is determined by transmitter coverage, not Post Codes,
    Is the postcode not used as a proxy for transmitter coverage in Sky
    and Freesat?
    The postcodes used for Sky and Freesat mapping relate mainly to the
    transmitter coverage, but are used more logically on the edges of some
    regions.

    For instance BBC 1 South is mapped to Guildford town postcodes, where as
    the Guildford relay carries the London region (and the town is
    predominately only served by the relay and Crystal Palace) Because the Guildford relay is used into SW London suburbs, it remains tied to London

    In Weymouth BBC 1 South is mapped, despite the local relay carrying
    South West region, again because Weymouth serves the coast westwards,
    almost as far as Devon, it's tied to the SW region.

    So, ironically, you can target the right region to the right area easier
    with satellite !

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to charles@candehope.me.uk on Mon Jan 30 18:19:31 2023
    On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 17:17:21 +0000 (GMT), charles
    <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

    In article <xn0nxgw3u33bte700f@news.individual.net>,
    Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:

    Can anybody tell me why BBC and ITV think that my SP6 postcode (I live in
    Dorset, 3 miles west of Fordingbridge) is in the Meridan TV region? It
    wouldn't normally matter but ITV news were filming in the village today.

    The TV Region is determined by transmitter coverage, not Post Codes,

    Is the postcode not used as a proxy for transmitter coverage in Sky
    and Freesat?

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Scott on Mon Jan 30 18:26:42 2023
    Scott wrote:

    Andy Burns wrote:

    Jeff Gaines wrote:

    It's my Freesat and Freeview boxes that say I'm in the Meridian area. My >>> X came from Coventry which I thought was Meridan

    Meriden.

    No - Meridian is correct.

    Meridian may be the Jeff's TV region, but
    Meriden (not Meridan) is the name of the place near Coventry

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  • From Jeff Gaines@21:1/5 to Gaines on Mon Jan 30 19:00:40 2023
    On 30/01/2023 in message <xn0nxgw3u33bte700f@news.individual.net> Jeff
    Gaines wrote:


    Can anybody tell me why BBC and ITV think that my SP6 postcode (I live in >Dorset, 3 miles west of Fordingbridge) is in the Meridan TV region? It >wouldn't normally matter but ITV news were filming in the village today.

    Thanks for all the replies :-)

    I managed to record the news on ITV Meridian and am please to report it
    wasn't read in a whiny Brummy accent!

    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    How does a gender neutral bog differ from a unisex bog ?
    It has a non-binary number on the door.

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  • From NY@21:1/5 to Scott on Mon Jan 30 23:11:16 2023
    On 30/01/2023 18:19, Scott wrote:
    On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 17:17:21 +0000 (GMT), charles
    <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

    In article <xn0nxgw3u33bte700f@news.individual.net>,
    Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:

    Can anybody tell me why BBC and ITV think that my SP6 postcode (I live in >>> Dorset, 3 miles west of Fordingbridge) is in the Meridan TV region? It
    wouldn't normally matter but ITV news were filming in the village today.

    The TV Region is determined by transmitter coverage, not Post Codes,

    Is the postcode not used as a proxy for transmitter coverage in Sky
    and Freesat?

    Yes, I'd expect them to have a lookup table of postcodes (maybe only the
    first part "SP6" and not the second part "1AB") which are deemed to be
    in each region, to determine the correct BBC and ITV regional news to
    feed to you.

    I am in the lucky position of having my own proprietary PVR (a Raspberry
    Pi running TVHeadend) so after a bit of initial tweaking (which was a
    real pain in the case of ITV, as the station name does not include the
    region name) I can receive/record any BBC/ITV regional news, whereas a
    Freesat box asks for the postcode and then only gives you one region.

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 31 08:41:17 2023
    On 30/01/2023 23:11, NY wrote:
    Yes, I'd expect them to have a lookup table of postcodes (maybe only the first part "SP6" and not the second part "1AB") which are deemed to be
    in each region, to determine the correct BBC and ITV regional news to
    feed to you.


    What I wrote but the first part can cover a large area that includes
    many transmitters.

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Tue Jan 31 17:13:49 2023
    On 30/01/2023 05:19 pm, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 30/01/2023 in message <acufth12na8qm2j2qeche54tjhn09vminj@4ax.com>
    Scott wrote:

    If it was ITV News rather than Meridian News surely it will be on the
    national bulletin?

    All the news vans are simply branded 'ITV News', they can be used
    'locally' or 'nationally' (or both).
    In fact I've seen a few that have triple, 'ITV/C4/C5' branding, because
    of course ITN provide national news programmes for all three of those
    channels

    In that case, why does OP think the presence of a film crew means the
    location is within Meridian region?  I assumed he saw Meridian vans.
    Or maybe staff uniforms are branded Meridian even if the vans are not?

    It's my Freesat and Freeview boxes that say I'm in the Meridian area. My
    X came from Coventry which I thought was Meridan so to be avoided at all costs. It seems that Meridian is different but probably accurate.

    Coventry? ATV/Central, shirley?

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Tue Jan 31 17:15:05 2023
    On 30/01/2023 05:32 pm, Andy Burns wrote:
    Jeff Gaines wrote:

    It's my Freesat and Freeview boxes that say I'm in the Meridian area.
    My X came from Coventry which I thought was Meridan

    Meriden.

    We had a relative who lived in Meriden.

    It's calculated to be the geographical (geometric) centre of England. So Central is poetic, almost.

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Jeff Gaines on Tue Jan 31 17:11:34 2023
    On 30/01/2023 04:28 pm, Jeff Gaines wrote:

    Can anybody tell me why BBC and ITV think that my SP6 postcode (I live
    in Dorset, 3 miles west of Fordingbridge) is in the Meridan TV region?
    It wouldn't normally matter but ITV news were filming in the village today.

    Does it not come under Meridian Southampton? It seems well within its orbit.

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Scott on Tue Jan 31 17:16:27 2023
    On 30/01/2023 06:19 pm, Scott wrote:
    On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 17:17:21 +0000 (GMT), charles
    <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

    In article <xn0nxgw3u33bte700f@news.individual.net>,
    Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:

    Can anybody tell me why BBC and ITV think that my SP6 postcode (I live in >>> Dorset, 3 miles west of Fordingbridge) is in the Meridan TV region? It
    wouldn't normally matter but ITV news were filming in the village today.

    The TV Region is determined by transmitter coverage, not Post Codes,

    Is the postcode not used as a proxy for transmitter coverage in Sky
    and Freesat?

    It's one of the first things a new set asks you when being set-up.

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 31 17:18:38 2023
    On 30/01/2023 11:11 pm, NY wrote:
    On 30/01/2023 18:19, Scott wrote:
    On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 17:17:21 +0000 (GMT), charles
    <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

    In article <xn0nxgw3u33bte700f@news.individual.net>,
       Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:

    Can anybody tell me why BBC and ITV think that my SP6 postcode (I
    live in
    Dorset, 3 miles west of Fordingbridge) is in the Meridan TV region? It >>>> wouldn't normally matter but ITV news were filming in the village
    today.

    The TV Region is determined by transmitter coverage, not Post Codes,

    Is the postcode not used as a proxy for transmitter coverage in Sky
    and Freesat?

    Yes, I'd expect them to have a lookup table of postcodes (maybe only the first part "SP6" and not the second part "1AB") which are deemed to be
    in each region, to determine the correct BBC and ITV regional news to
    feed to you.

    I can confirm that inputting just the first part of our postcode ("LLn")
    gets a Freeview or Sky device to use the correct regions.

    I am in the lucky position of having my own proprietary PVR (a Raspberry
    Pi running TVHeadend) so after a bit of initial tweaking (which was a
    real pain in the case of ITV, as the station name does not include the
    region name) I can receive/record any BBC/ITV regional news, whereas a Freesat box asks for the postcode and then only gives you one region.

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Scott on Tue Jan 31 17:15:43 2023
    On 30/01/2023 06:06 pm, Scott wrote:
    On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 17:32:50 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
    wrote:

    Jeff Gaines wrote:

    It's my Freesat and Freeview boxes that say I'm in the Meridian area. My >>> X came from Coventry which I thought was Meridan

    Meriden.

    No - Meridian is correct.

    Not for Coventry or Meriden.

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  • From Ian Jackson@21:1/5 to jenningsandco@mail.com on Tue Jan 31 20:09:39 2023
    In message <k3t0koFeflkU3@mid.individual.net>, JNugent
    <jenningsandco@mail.com> writes
    On 30/01/2023 05:32 pm, Andy Burns wrote:
    Jeff Gaines wrote:

    It's my Freesat and Freeview boxes that say I'm in the Meridian
    area. My X came from Coventry which I thought was Meridan
    Meriden.

    We had a relative who lived in Meriden.

    It's calculated to be the geographical (geometric) centre of England.
    So Central is poetic, almost.

    For many years, in the UK, Newcastle Brown Ale has not been patch on the
    drink that it used to be. However, back in 2002, I had a great couple of
    pints of it (draught too - not bottled!) in Meriden, Connecticut.
    --
    Ian

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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to Ian Jackson on Fri Feb 3 10:08:23 2023
    On 31/01/2023 20:09, Ian Jackson wrote:
    In message <k3t0koFeflkU3@mid.individual.net>, JNugent <jenningsandco@mail.com> writes
    On 30/01/2023 05:32 pm, Andy Burns wrote:
    Jeff Gaines wrote:

    It's my Freesat and Freeview boxes that say I'm in the Meridian
    area.  My X came from Coventry which I thought was Meridan
     Meriden.

    We had a relative who lived in Meriden.

    It's calculated to be the geographical (geometric) centre of England.
    So Central is poetic, almost.

    For many years, in the UK, Newcastle Brown Ale has not been patch on the drink that it used to be. However, back in 2002, I had a great couple of pints of it (draught too - not bottled!) in Meriden, Connecticut.

    Is it the drink or your taste has improved and you now realise that
    Newcastle Brown was always a rather mundane brew.

    It could be that they moved the brewery soon after getting Protected Geographical Indication status :) https://nowiknow.com/the-beer-that-had-to-unprotect-itself/

    Personally, many of the branded beers I drank in my younger years I now
    find too bland or not to my taste. I now prefer a more hoppy beer with
    a lot of good examples from the smaller brewers.


    --
    mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk

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  • From Woody@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 3 11:09:35 2023
    On Fri 03/02/2023 10:08, alan_m wrote:
    On 31/01/2023 20:09, Ian Jackson wrote:
    In message <k3t0koFeflkU3@mid.individual.net>, JNugent
    <jenningsandco@mail.com> writes
    On 30/01/2023 05:32 pm, Andy Burns wrote:
    Jeff Gaines wrote:

    It's my Freesat and Freeview boxes that say I'm in the Meridian
    area.  My X came from Coventry which I thought was Meridan
     Meriden.

    We had a relative who lived in Meriden.

    It's calculated to be the geographical (geometric) centre of England.
    So Central is poetic, almost.

    For many years, in the UK, Newcastle Brown Ale has not been patch on
    the drink that it used to be. However, back in 2002, I had a great
    couple of pints of it (draught too - not bottled!) in Meriden,
    Connecticut.

    Is it the drink or your taste has improved and you now realise that
    Newcastle Brown was always a rather mundane brew.

    It could be that they moved the brewery soon after getting Protected Geographical Indication status :) https://nowiknow.com/the-beer-that-had-to-unprotect-itself/

    Personally, many of the branded beers I drank in my younger years I now
    find too bland or not to my taste.  I now prefer a more hoppy beer with
    a lot of good examples from the smaller brewers.



    I could never understand the fetish of Newkibrown. Newcastle Amber was a
    <much> nicer pint and a tad stronger IIRC!

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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to Woody on Fri Feb 3 11:15:47 2023
    On 03/02/2023 11:09, Woody wrote:


    I could never understand the fetish of Newkibrown.

    Advertising? Or, any bottled beer was better than Watneys Red etc.
    when all the pubs in the area were tied to the same brewery during the
    keg beer revolution :)

    --
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  • From Muttley@dastardlyhq.com@21:1/5 to Woody on Fri Feb 3 11:33:02 2023
    On Fri, 3 Feb 2023 11:09:35 +0000
    Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote:
    On Fri 03/02/2023 10:08, alan_m wrote:
    On 31/01/2023 20:09, Ian Jackson wrote:
    In message <k3t0koFeflkU3@mid.individual.net>, JNugent
    <jenningsandco@mail.com> writes
    On 30/01/2023 05:32 pm, Andy Burns wrote:
    Jeff Gaines wrote:

    It's my Freesat and Freeview boxes that say I'm in the Meridian
    area.  My X came from Coventry which I thought was Meridan
     Meriden.

    We had a relative who lived in Meriden.

    It's calculated to be the geographical (geometric) centre of England.
    So Central is poetic, almost.

    For many years, in the UK, Newcastle Brown Ale has not been patch on
    the drink that it used to be. However, back in 2002, I had a great
    couple of pints of it (draught too - not bottled!) in Meriden,
    Connecticut.

    Is it the drink or your taste has improved and you now realise that
    Newcastle Brown was always a rather mundane brew.

    It could be that they moved the brewery soon after getting Protected
    Geographical Indication status :)
    https://nowiknow.com/the-beer-that-had-to-unprotect-itself/

    Personally, many of the branded beers I drank in my younger years I now
    find too bland or not to my taste.  I now prefer a more hoppy beer with
    a lot of good examples from the smaller brewers.



    I could never understand the fetish of Newkibrown. Newcastle Amber was a ><much> nicer pint and a tad stronger IIRC!

    As a non beer drinker I could never understand the fetish for beer full stop.
    A vile bitter fluid that tastes like it could have come from the strainings of the bottom of a pond. Give me a wine any day.

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  • From alan_m@21:1/5 to Muttley@dastardlyhq.com on Fri Feb 3 12:14:12 2023
    On 03/02/2023 11:33, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:

    As a non beer drinker I could never understand the fetish for beer full stop. A vile bitter fluid that tastes like it could have come from the strainings of
    the bottom of a pond. Give me a wine any day.

    So many different styles of beer to meet every taste - wine is just a
    fancy snobbish name for vinegar :)


    --
    mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk

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  • From Ian Jackson@21:1/5 to junk@admac.myzen.co.uk on Fri Feb 3 11:15:09 2023
    In message <k444onFhd04U1@mid.individual.net>, alan_m
    <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> writes
    On 31/01/2023 20:09, Ian Jackson wrote:
    In message <k3t0koFeflkU3@mid.individual.net>, JNugent >><jenningsandco@mail.com> writes
    On 30/01/2023 05:32 pm, Andy Burns wrote:
    Jeff Gaines wrote:

    It's my Freesat and Freeview boxes that say I'm in the Meridian >>>>>area.  My X came from Coventry which I thought was Meridan
     Meriden.

    We had a relative who lived in Meriden.

    It's calculated to be the geographical (geometric) centre of
    England. So Central is poetic, almost.
    For many years, in the UK, Newcastle Brown Ale has not been patch on
    the drink that it used to be. However, back in 2002, I had a great
    couple of pints of it (draught too - not bottled!) in Meriden, >>Connecticut.

    Is it the drink or your taste has improved and you now realise that
    Newcastle Brown was always a rather mundane brew.

    I never found that NBA was anything special, but at least it used to
    have somewhat higher alcoholic content. I think it once was 5.5%, but is
    now only 4.8 (at most). [Most beers are weaker these days, as too much
    alcohol is said to be bad for us!]

    It could be that they moved the brewery soon after getting Protected >Geographical Indication status :) >https://nowiknow.com/the-beer-that-had-to-unprotect-itself/

    Personally, many of the branded beers I drank in my younger years I now
    find too bland or not to my taste. I now prefer a more hoppy beer with
    a lot of good examples from the smaller brewers.

    Interesting info Thanks for the enlightenment!
    --
    Ian

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to Muttley@dastardlyhq.com on Fri Feb 3 13:01:47 2023
    On 03/02/2023 11:33, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:

    As a non beer drinker I could never understand the fetish for beer full stop. A vile bitter fluid that tastes like it could have come from the strainings of
    the bottom of a pond. Give me a wine any day.

    I find bitter beer good if mixed with variable quantities of lemonade as
    a shandy. Otherwise not.

    --
    Max Demian

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  • From Muttley@dastardlyhq.com@21:1/5 to junk@admac.myzen.co.uk on Fri Feb 3 16:30:01 2023
    On Fri, 3 Feb 2023 12:14:12 +0000
    alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On 03/02/2023 11:33, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:

    As a non beer drinker I could never understand the fetish for beer full stop.

    A vile bitter fluid that tastes like it could have come from the strainings >of
    the bottom of a pond. Give me a wine any day.

    So many different styles of beer to meet every taste - wine is just a
    fancy snobbish name for vinegar :)

    Well, certainly some are :) The fuss about Champagne is a mystery to me, a
    dull sour fizz.

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to Muttley@dastardlyhq.com on Fri Feb 3 17:01:59 2023
    In article <trjcq9$1gq20$1@dont-email.me>, <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 3 Feb 2023 12:14:12 +0000 alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On 03/02/2023 11:33, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:

    As a non beer drinker I could never understand the fetish for beer
    full stop.

    A vile bitter fluid that tastes like it could have come from the
    strainings
    of
    the bottom of a pond. Give me a wine any day.

    So many different styles of beer to meet every taste - wine is just a
    fancy snobbish name for vinegar :)

    Well, certainly some are :) The fuss about Champagne is a mystery to me,
    a dull sour fizz.

    My brother had a suggestion that people only 'like' it because it's
    expensive.

    --
    from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4té
    "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to charles on Fri Feb 3 17:44:56 2023
    On 03/02/2023 17:01, charles wrote:
    My brother had a suggestion that people only 'like' it because it's expensive.


    I knew someone who lived in an old distillery manager's house. He was
    having problems with a stream overflowing and getting into his house. I jokingly asked if it was the secret water source for the distillery and
    he said it just used tap water.

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  • From Muttley@dastardlyhq.com@21:1/5 to charles on Fri Feb 3 17:22:41 2023
    On Fri, 03 Feb 2023 17:01:59 +0000 (GMT)
    charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
    In article <trjcq9$1gq20$1@dont-email.me>, <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 3 Feb 2023 12:14:12 +0000 alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On 03/02/2023 11:33, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:

    As a non beer drinker I could never understand the fetish for beer
    full stop.

    A vile bitter fluid that tastes like it could have come from the
    strainings
    of
    the bottom of a pond. Give me a wine any day.

    So many different styles of beer to meet every taste - wine is just a
    fancy snobbish name for vinegar :)

    Well, certainly some are :) The fuss about Champagne is a mystery to me,
    a dull sour fizz.

    My brother had a suggestion that people only 'like' it because it's >expensive.

    I'd tend to agree with him.

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to charles on Fri Feb 3 17:42:47 2023
    On 03/02/2023 17:01, charles wrote:
    My brother had a suggestion that people only 'like' it because it's expensive.


    Quite likely same with whisky after one, perhaps two, drams all sense of
    taste is lost and you could be drinking anything.

    Once went away with a 'whisky connoisseur' (i.e. budding alcoholic) he
    was trying identify the hotel's 'Mystery Malt' (1) and was convinced it
    was Springbank. I just sniffed the two and they were completely
    different but he would not believe me.



    (1) Mystery Malt - you buy a single malt which is poured out of a plain
    bottle with no label. If you can identify it then you are give a bottle
    of the 'Mystery Malt'.

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  • From NY@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 4 01:21:42 2023
    On 03/02/2023 17:42, MB wrote:
    On 03/02/2023 17:01, charles wrote:
    My brother had a suggestion that people only 'like' it because it's
    expensive.


    Quite likely same with whisky after one, perhaps two, drams all sense of taste is lost and you could be drinking anything.

    Once went away with a 'whisky connoisseur' (i.e. budding alcoholic) he
    was trying identify the hotel's 'Mystery Malt' (1) and was convinced it
    was Springbank.  I just sniffed the two and they were completely
    different but he would not believe me.



    (1)  Mystery Malt - you buy a single malt which is poured out of a plain bottle with no label.  If you can identify it then you are give a bottle
    of the 'Mystery Malt'.

    Reminds me of a Dick Francis book where a restaurant was selling cheap
    "wine lake" wine, and blended whisky instead of single malt, with
    "expensive" labels on the bottles, and relying on punter not being able
    to tell the difference after a meal, or if other punters around them
    were smoking (back in the days when that was allowed).


    I know what you mean about "palate paralysis" after a few sips of
    whisky. The first few sips I could probably distinguish between a *few*
    of the more obviously different single malts, but after that it could be anything. I prefer gin.

    I remember on a Caribbean cruise we visited a rum distillery where they
    gave us a very small amount of super-strength rum that was only sold on
    the island because it was too strong to be exported. And that was wicked
    stuff: nearly stripped the roof off your mouth. Nice rich-sugar
    after-taste, though ;-)

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  • From Muttley@dastardlyhq.com@21:1/5 to MB@nospam.net on Sat Feb 4 11:32:20 2023
    On Fri, 3 Feb 2023 17:42:47 +0000
    MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
    On 03/02/2023 17:01, charles wrote:
    My brother had a suggestion that people only 'like' it because it's
    expensive.


    Quite likely same with whisky after one, perhaps two, drams all sense of >taste is lost and you could be drinking anything.

    Whisky is foul, it simply exists for people to get pissed quickly IMO.
    A nice brandy OTOH is a drink worth savouring.

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to Muttley@dastardlyhq.com on Sat Feb 4 15:08:23 2023
    On 04/02/2023 11:32, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
    On Fri, 3 Feb 2023 17:42:47 +0000
    MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
    On 03/02/2023 17:01, charles wrote:
    My brother had a suggestion that people only 'like' it because it's
    expensive.

    Quite likely same with whisky after one, perhaps two, drams all sense of
    taste is lost and you could be drinking anything.

    Whisky is foul, it simply exists for people to get pissed quickly IMO.
    A nice brandy OTOH is a drink worth savouring.

    Whisky is quite acceptable with with ginger ale and ice. I like brandy
    coffee with double cream floating on top. (Do restaurants still cheat by squirting whipped cream on top?)

    --
    Max Demian

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to charles on Sat Feb 4 14:16:10 2023
    On 03/02/2023 17:01, charles wrote:
    In article <trjcq9$1gq20$1@dont-email.me>, <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 3 Feb 2023 12:14:12 +0000 alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On 03/02/2023 11:33, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:

    As a non beer drinker I could never understand the fetish for beer
    full stop.

    A vile bitter fluid that tastes like it could have come from the
    strainings
    of
    the bottom of a pond. Give me a wine any day.

    So many different styles of beer to meet every taste - wine is just a
    fancy snobbish name for vinegar :)

    Well, certainly some are :) The fuss about Champagne is a mystery to me,
    a dull sour fizz.

    My brother had a suggestion that people only 'like' it because it's expensive.

    Proper scientific research confirms that price does influence people's
    opinion of wine. And the type of vessel drunk from as well I think. And
    many people can't tell the difference between white and red if the white
    is dyed red with a tasteless substance.

    --
    Max Demian

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  • From Muttley@dastardlyhq.com@21:1/5 to Max Demian on Sat Feb 4 15:18:38 2023
    On Sat, 4 Feb 2023 14:16:10 +0000
    Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
    On 03/02/2023 17:01, charles wrote:
    In article <trjcq9$1gq20$1@dont-email.me>, <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote: >>> On Fri, 3 Feb 2023 12:14:12 +0000 alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote: >>>> On 03/02/2023 11:33, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:

    As a non beer drinker I could never understand the fetish for beer
    full stop.

    A vile bitter fluid that tastes like it could have come from the
    strainings
    of
    the bottom of a pond. Give me a wine any day.

    So many different styles of beer to meet every taste - wine is just a
    fancy snobbish name for vinegar :)

    Well, certainly some are :) The fuss about Champagne is a mystery to me, >>> a dull sour fizz.

    My brother had a suggestion that people only 'like' it because it's
    expensive.

    Proper scientific research confirms that price does influence people's >opinion of wine. And the type of vessel drunk from as well I think. And
    many people can't tell the difference between white and red if the white
    is dyed red with a tasteless substance.

    Ceremony certainly does influence peoples taste. Otherwise there's no explanation for a sane human to wanting to drink japanese green tea which is
    so popular in that country and tastes like pot water after some brussels sprouts have been boiled in it for a week.

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  • From Woody@21:1/5 to Max Demian on Sat Feb 4 16:22:51 2023
    On Sat 04/02/2023 15:08, Max Demian wrote:
    On 04/02/2023 11:32, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
    On Fri, 3 Feb 2023 17:42:47 +0000
    MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
    On 03/02/2023 17:01, charles wrote:
    My brother had a suggestion that people only 'like' it because it's
    expensive.

    Quite likely same with whisky after one, perhaps two, drams all sense of >>> taste is lost and you could be drinking anything.

    Whisky is foul, it simply exists for people to get pissed quickly IMO.
    A nice brandy OTOH is a drink worth savouring.

    Whisky is quite acceptable with with ginger ale and ice. I like brandy
    coffee with double cream floating on top. (Do restaurants still cheat by squirting whipped cream on top?)


    I remember that when I was a trainee at Pye in about 1970/71 two friends
    - one Aussie (who taught me much of what I know about radio) and a
    Geordie - and I would go to the bar of a hotel opposite Trinity College
    for a few bevvies, and then round the corner to the Berni Inn. We always finished with a goblet of coffee with cream floating on the top. I liked
    the one with Drambuie, the Aussie had Scotch, and the Geordie had Rum.
    When Berni ceased to exist it seems so did those alcoholic coffees it seems. Ah, them were't days......

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 4 17:29:25 2023
    In article <trm0ot$21pvu$1@dont-email.me>, Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote:
    On Sat 04/02/2023 15:08, Max Demian wrote:
    On 04/02/2023 11:32, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
    On Fri, 3 Feb 2023 17:42:47 +0000 MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
    On 03/02/2023 17:01, charles wrote:
    My brother had a suggestion that people only 'like' it because it's
    expensive.

    Quite likely same with whisky after one, perhaps two, drams all sense
    of taste is lost and you could be drinking anything.

    Whisky is foul, it simply exists for people to get pissed quickly IMO.
    A nice brandy OTOH is a drink worth savouring.

    Whisky is quite acceptable with with ginger ale and ice. I like brandy coffee with double cream floating on top. (Do restaurants still cheat
    by squirting whipped cream on top?)


    I remember that when I was a trainee at Pye in about 1970/71 two friends
    - one Aussie (who taught me much of what I know about radio) and a
    Geordie - and I would go to the bar of a hotel opposite Trinity College
    for a few bevvies, and then round the corner to the Berni Inn. We always finished with a goblet of coffee with cream floating on the top. I liked
    the one with Drambuie, the Aussie had Scotch, and the Geordie had Rum.
    When Berni ceased to exist it seems so did those alcoholic coffees it
    seems. Ah, them were't days......

    Nothing to stop you making your own.

    --
    from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4té
    "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to charles on Sun Feb 5 10:41:50 2023
    On 04/02/2023 17:29, charles wrote:
    In article <trm0ot$21pvu$1@dont-email.me>, Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote:
    On Sat 04/02/2023 15:08, Max Demian wrote:
    On 04/02/2023 11:32, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
    On Fri, 3 Feb 2023 17:42:47 +0000 MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
    On 03/02/2023 17:01, charles wrote:
    My brother had a suggestion that people only 'like' it because it's >>>>>> expensive.

    Quite likely same with whisky after one, perhaps two, drams all sense >>>>> of taste is lost and you could be drinking anything.

    Whisky is foul, it simply exists for people to get pissed quickly IMO. >>>> A nice brandy OTOH is a drink worth savouring.

    Whisky is quite acceptable with with ginger ale and ice. I like brandy
    coffee with double cream floating on top. (Do restaurants still cheat
    by squirting whipped cream on top?)


    I remember that when I was a trainee at Pye in about 1970/71 two friends
    - one Aussie (who taught me much of what I know about radio) and a
    Geordie - and I would go to the bar of a hotel opposite Trinity College
    for a few bevvies, and then round the corner to the Berni Inn. We always
    finished with a goblet of coffee with cream floating on the top. I liked
    the one with Drambuie, the Aussie had Scotch, and the Geordie had Rum.
    When Berni ceased to exist it seems so did those alcoholic coffees it
    seems. Ah, them were't days......

    Nothing to stop you making your own.

    What, your own Berni? The steak bars were really good value as there was
    an all-in price for a steak with chips or jacket potato, peas, tomato, mushrooms too I think, rather than having to pay separately for the veg
    like in the Angus Steakhouses.

    --
    Max Demian

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to max_demian@bigfoot.com on Sun Feb 5 11:17:15 2023
    In article <tro15e$2f12c$2@dont-email.me>, Max Demian
    <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
    On 04/02/2023 17:29, charles wrote:
    In article <trm0ot$21pvu$1@dont-email.me>, Woody
    <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote:
    On Sat 04/02/2023 15:08, Max Demian wrote:
    On 04/02/2023 11:32, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
    On Fri, 3 Feb 2023 17:42:47 +0000 MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
    On 03/02/2023 17:01, charles wrote:
    My brother had a suggestion that people only 'like' it because
    it's expensive.

    Quite likely same with whisky after one, perhaps two, drams all
    sense of taste is lost and you could be drinking anything.

    Whisky is foul, it simply exists for people to get pissed quickly
    IMO. A nice brandy OTOH is a drink worth savouring.

    Whisky is quite acceptable with with ginger ale and ice. I like
    brandy coffee with double cream floating on top. (Do restaurants
    still cheat by squirting whipped cream on top?)


    I remember that when I was a trainee at Pye in about 1970/71 two
    friends - one Aussie (who taught me much of what I know about radio)
    and a Geordie - and I would go to the bar of a hotel opposite Trinity
    College for a few bevvies, and then round the corner to the Berni Inn.
    We always finished with a goblet of coffee with cream floating on the
    top. I liked the one with Drambuie, the Aussie had Scotch, and the
    Geordie had Rum. When Berni ceased to exist it seems so did those
    alcoholic coffees it seems. Ah, them were't days......

    Nothing to stop you making your own.

    What, your own Berni?

    I was thnking of the alcoholic coffee ;-

    --
    from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4té
    "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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  • From Ian Jackson@21:1/5 to max_demian@bigfoot.com on Sun Feb 5 13:17:56 2023
    In message <tro15e$2f12c$2@dont-email.me>, Max Demian
    <max_demian@bigfoot.com> writes



    What, your own Berni? The steak bars were really good value as there
    was an all-in price for a steak with chips or jacket potato, peas,
    tomato, mushrooms too I think,

    I remember the days when such a meal cost fifteen and six.

    rather than having to pay separately for the veg like in the Angus
    Steakhouses.
    --
    Ian

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Muttley@dastardlyhq.com on Sun Mar 5 12:33:01 2023
    On 04/02/2023 05:32, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
    On Fri, 3 Feb 2023 17:42:47 +0000
    MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
    On 03/02/2023 17:01, charles wrote:
    My brother had a suggestion that people only 'like' it because it's
    expensive.


    Quite likely same with whisky after one, perhaps two, drams all sense of
    taste is lost and you could be drinking anything.

    Whisky is foul, it simply exists for people to get pissed quickly IMO.

    That's true of Scotch.

    Tennessee sour mash, not so much.

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  • From R. Mark Clayton@21:1/5 to Mut...@dastardlyhq.com on Tue Mar 7 04:07:23 2023
    On Saturday, 4 February 2023 at 11:32:23 UTC, Mut...@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
    On Fri, 3 Feb 2023 17:42:47 +0000
    MB <M...@nospam.net> wrote:
    On 03/02/2023 17:01, charles wrote:
    My brother had a suggestion that people only 'like' it because it's
    expensive.


    Quite likely same with whisky after one, perhaps two, drams all sense of >taste is lost and you could be drinking anything.
    Whisky is foul, it simply exists for people to get pissed quickly IMO.

    That might be true for a grain whisky [like Haig Club], but not of a decent malt comparable with: -

    A nice brandy OTOH is a drink worth savouring.

    Cheap vodka is probably the quickest way, but don't overdose: - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bonham#Death

    I did once drink half a bottle of scotch at my mother's wake hoping to blot out reality - it didn't work - I remained profoundly depressed but oddly sober.

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to R. Mark Clayton on Tue Mar 7 13:32:39 2023
    On 07/03/2023 12:07, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
    That might be true for a grain whisky [like Haig Club], but not of a decent malt comparable with: -


    It is like wine, there is a lot of rubbish talked about being a
    "connoisseur" but a small amount of alcohol suppresses taste.

    I was with someone trying to identify a "Mystery Malt" - single malt in
    a plain bottle. If you identify then you win a bottle.

    After a couple of drinks he was convinced it was one particular malt, I
    just had a quick sniff of them both and they were nothing like each
    other. But he was still convinced he knew what it was. It was not that
    one of course.

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  • From Roderick Stewart@21:1/5 to MB@nospam.net on Wed Mar 8 07:55:36 2023
    On Tue, 7 Mar 2023 13:32:39 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

    On 07/03/2023 12:07, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
    That might be true for a grain whisky [like Haig Club], but not of a decent malt comparable with: -


    It is like wine, there is a lot of rubbish talked about being a
    "connoisseur" but a small amount of alcohol suppresses taste.

    I was with someone trying to identify a "Mystery Malt" - single malt in
    a plain bottle. If you identify then you win a bottle.

    After a couple of drinks he was convinced it was one particular malt, I
    just had a quick sniff of them both and they were nothing like each
    other. But he was still convinced he knew what it was. It was not that
    one of course.


    Depends on the whisky of course, as some are quite distinctive. For
    example, I think I could identify Laphroaig as soon as the cork was
    out of the bottle.

    Rod.

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to Roderick Stewart on Wed Mar 8 09:39:01 2023
    On 08/03/2023 07:55, Roderick Stewart wrote:
    Depends on the whisky of course, as some are quite distinctive. For
    example, I think I could identify Laphroaig as soon as the cork was
    out of the bottle.



    You probably would not recognise a 25 (30?) year old Laphroaig!

    The barman at the hotel with 'Mystery Malts' gave my companion a taste
    of it from a bottle under the counter. He had a friend who was a bit of
    a fan of Laphroaig so he got the barman to put some in an empty
    miniature bottle. When he gave it to his friend, he would not believe
    it was Laphroaig. It was a 'special', (Manager's Reserve?)

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