Can't the Beeb get some HD cameras? 101 is now HD but the regional news is SD. Would't be so annoying if the 'SD' weren't so poor that it's difficult
to discern some things.
On 18/01/2023 18:02, PeterC wrote:
Can't the Beeb get some HD cameras? 101 is now HD but the regional
news is
SD. Would't be so annoying if the 'SD' weren't so poor that it's
difficult
to discern some things.
It's not just the cameras they need to replace, it's also the vision
mixer, the station router, the graphics engines, the playout servers,
and all the infrastructure that glues it together,
On 18/01/2023 18:02, PeterC wrote:
Can't the Beeb get some HD cameras? 101 is now HD but the regional
news is
SD. Would't be so annoying if the 'SD' weren't so poor that it's
difficult
to discern some things.
I'm not sure what you mean.
I'm pretty certain that the only one of the new localised BBC One HD
services on satellite that's actually already transmitting is BBC One
South.
A scan of 10818V, which is where BBC One East HD will soon appear,
doesn't find it.
On 18/01/2023 21:27, Brian Gregory wrote:
On 18/01/2023 18:02, PeterC wrote:
Can't the Beeb get some HD cameras? 101 is now HD but the regional
news is
SD. Would't be so annoying if the 'SD' weren't so poor that it's
difficult
to discern some things.
I'm not sure what you mean.
I'm pretty certain that the only one of the new localised BBC One HD
services on satellite that's actually already transmitting is BBC One
South.
A scan of 10818V, which is where BBC One East HD will soon appear,
doesn't find it.
Ah. You're as confused as me. I too thought that BBC One South was the
only region to broadcast in HD on satellite so far. I wonder if Freesat
is doing something really clever like switching between BBC One HD for
most programmes and BBC One South SD for local (since his region isn't broadcasting in HD yet).
Can't the Beeb get some HD cameras? 101 is now HD but the regional news is SD. Would't be so annoying if the 'SD' weren't so poor that it's difficult
to discern some things.
A scan of 10818V, which is where BBC One East HD will soon appear,
doesn't find it.
What is the frequency for BBC One East?
I've set BBC One South HD to record the local BBC news at 22:30 tonight
to see whether *that* is SD over HD.
"Brian Gregory" <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> wrote in
message news:k2rcadFoo30U2@mid.individual.net...
On 18/01/2023 21:47, NY wrote:
I've set BBC One South HD to record the local BBC news at 22:30
tonight to see whether *that* is SD over HD.
I've already watched it (because I'm actually in the South region)
and even the local news is real HD.
It could be that the East region studio can't do HD, but as far as I
know there isn't yet any way to tell from watching TV.
Yes I'm puzzled as to how PeterC (the OP) has seen BBC One East HD to
know that the local news programme is still going out in SD.
I still wonder whether Freesat is being clever and switching
temporarily to BBC One East SD when it is tuned to BBC One HD -
On 18/01/2023 21:47, NY wrote:
I've set BBC One South HD to record the local BBC news at 22:30 tonight
to see whether *that* is SD over HD.
I've already watched it (because I'm actually in the South region) and
even the local news is real HD.
It could be that the East region studio can't do HD, but as far as I know there isn't yet any way to tell from watching TV.
On 19/01/2023 09:23, NY wrote:
"Brian Gregory" <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> wrote in
message news:k2rcadFoo30U2@mid.individual.net...
On 18/01/2023 21:47, NY wrote:
I've set BBC One South HD to record the local BBC news at 22:30
tonight to see whether *that* is SD over HD.
I've already watched it (because I'm actually in the South region)
and even the local news is real HD.
It could be that the East region studio can't do HD, but as far as I
know there isn't yet any way to tell from watching TV.
Yes I'm puzzled as to how PeterC (the OP) has seen BBC One East HD to
know that the local news programme is still going out in SD.
I still wonder whether Freesat is being clever and switching
temporarily to BBC One East SD when it is tuned to BBC One HD -
You don't half overthink things. With all the BBC 1 HD regions only days/weeks away on D-Sat, why on earth would they start doing that now ?
On 19/01/2023 09:53, Mark Carver wrote:
On 19/01/2023 09:23, NY wrote:
"Brian Gregory" <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> wrote in
message news:k2rcadFoo30U2@mid.individual.net...
On 18/01/2023 21:47, NY wrote:
I've set BBC One South HD to record the local BBC news at 22:30
tonight to see whether *that* is SD over HD.
I've already watched it (because I'm actually in the South region)
and even the local news is real HD.
It could be that the East region studio can't do HD, but as far as I
know there isn't yet any way to tell from watching TV.
Yes I'm puzzled as to how PeterC (the OP) has seen BBC One East HD to
know that the local news programme is still going out in SD.
I still wonder whether Freesat is being clever and switching
temporarily to BBC One East SD when it is tuned to BBC One HD -
You don't half overthink things. With all the BBC 1 HD regions only
days/weeks away on D-Sat, why on earth would they start doing that now ?
I agree. If they were going to do it, they'd have done it way back when
BBC One HD started, to provide seamless access to local news for people
who were watching BBC One HD, as an alternative to inserting upscaled
BBC One SD into the BBC One HD stream for each region (which is what
they should have done right from the outset!) until the studios and data links had been upgraded to HD.
I was just trying to thing of a mechanism (how ever implausible!) for PeterC's report that "BBC One East HD" had SD-quality local news on Look East, given that as far as I can see, no-one can yet receive BBC One
East HD. He's gone very quiet since his original posting...
On 19/01/2023 09:23, NY wrote:
"Brian Gregory" <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> wrote in
message news:k2rcadFoo30U2@mid.individual.net...
On 18/01/2023 21:47, NY wrote:
I've set BBC One South HD to record the local BBC news at 22:30
tonight to see whether *that* is SD over HD.
I've already watched it (because I'm actually in the South region)
and even the local news is real HD.
It could be that the East region studio can't do HD, but as far as I
know there isn't yet any way to tell from watching TV.
Yes I'm puzzled as to how PeterC (the OP) has seen BBC One East HD to
know that the local news programme is still going out in SD.
I still wonder whether Freesat is being clever and switching
temporarily to BBC One East SD when it is tuned to BBC One HD -
You don't half overthink things. With all the BBC 1 HD regions only days/weeks away on D-Sat, why on earth would they start doing that now ?
On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 09:53:09 +0000, Mark Carver wrote:
On 19/01/2023 09:23, NY wrote:
"Brian Gregory" <void-invalid...@email.invalid> wrote in
message news:k2rcad...@mid.individual.net...
On 18/01/2023 21:47, NY wrote:
I've set BBC One South HD to record the local BBC news at 22:30
tonight to see whether *that* is SD over HD.
I've already watched it (because I'm actually in the South region)
and even the local news is real HD.
It could be that the East region studio can't do HD, but as far as I
know there isn't yet any way to tell from watching TV.
Yes I'm puzzled as to how PeterC (the OP) has seen BBC One East HD to
know that the local news programme is still going out in SD.
I still wonder whether Freesat is being clever and switching
temporarily to BBC One East SD when it is tuned to BBC One HD -
You don't half overthink things. With all the BBC 1 HD regions only days/weeks away on D-Sat, why on earth would they start doing that now ?A few days ago a lot of new chanels appeared in the EPG, almost all of them BBC Regions in HD. I looked at 101 yesterday (hadn't bothered before)
because Look East was still SD. Flicking along the EPG showed everything except local news in HD.
As mentioned earlier, it's probably the same feed as 106 except for the one thing that I record from 101.
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway
Noticed yesterday that 101 - BBC East (now merged West - where I am
- and East) is now HD on Sky and the local news broadcasts are in
HD. Quality much better than SD but some of the content to my
untrained eye looks quite soft.
If 101 is now HD, is there any reason to have 115?
On Thursday, 19 January 2023 at 17:46:10 UTC, PeterC wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 09:53:09 +0000, Mark Carver wrote:Noticed yesterday that 101 - BBC East (now merged West - where I am - and East) is now HD on Sky and the local news broadcasts are in HD. Quality much better than SD but some of the content to my untrained eye looks quite soft.
On 19/01/2023 09:23, NY wrote:A few days ago a lot of new chanels appeared in the EPG, almost all of them >> BBC Regions in HD. I looked at 101 yesterday (hadn't bothered before)
"Brian Gregory" <void-invalid...@email.invalid> wrote inYou don't half overthink things. With all the BBC 1 HD regions only
message news:k2rcad...@mid.individual.net...
On 18/01/2023 21:47, NY wrote:Yes I'm puzzled as to how PeterC (the OP) has seen BBC One East HD to
I've set BBC One South HD to record the local BBC news at 22:30I've already watched it (because I'm actually in the South region)
tonight to see whether *that* is SD over HD.
and even the local news is real HD.
It could be that the East region studio can't do HD, but as far as I >>>>> know there isn't yet any way to tell from watching TV.
know that the local news programme is still going out in SD.
I still wonder whether Freesat is being clever and switching
temporarily to BBC One East SD when it is tuned to BBC One HD -
days/weeks away on D-Sat, why on earth would they start doing that now ?
because Look East was still SD. Flicking along the EPG showed everything
except local news in HD.
As mentioned earlier, it's probably the same feed as 106 except for the one >> thing that I record from 101.
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway
If 101 is now HD, is there any reason to have 115?
In article <d5764f37-edaf-4d2d-8e27-231a66054f2dn@googlegroups.com>,
Kevin H <kev.holohan@gmail.com> wrote:
Noticed yesterday that 101 - BBC East (now merged West - where I am
- and East) is now HD on Sky and the local news broadcasts are in
HD. Quality much better than SD but some of the content to my
untrained eye looks quite soft.
If 101 is now HD, is there any reason to have 115?
According to the press, the West Midlands would see Sky set 101 to HD
today Tuesday 7th. This has not happened. (So far, one might argue
it's early doors).
It could be that the press got all the dates wrong, it could be that
Sky haven't got around to it yet but 101 is still not listed under HD channels but 115 is.
In article <d5764f37-edaf-4d2d-8e27-231a66054f2dn@googlegroups.com>,
Kevin H <kev.holohan@gmail.com> wrote:
Noticed yesterday that 101 - BBC East (now merged West - where I amAccording to the press, the West Midlands would see Sky set 101 to HD
- and East) is now HD on Sky and the local news broadcasts are in
HD. Quality much better than SD but some of the content to my
untrained eye looks quite soft.
If 101 is now HD, is there any reason to have 115?
today Tuesday 7th. This has not happened. (So far, one might argue
it's early doors).
It could be that the press got all the dates wrong, it could be that
Sky haven't got around to it yet but 101 is still not listed under HD channels but 115 is.
On 07/02/2023 08:38, Bob Latham wrote:
In article According to the press, the West Midlands would see
Sky set 101 to HD today Tuesday 7th. This has not happened. (So
far, one might argue it's early doors).
It could be that the press got all the dates wrong, it could be
that Sky haven't got around to it yet but 101 is still not listed
under HD channels but 115 is.
Give them a chance Bob, they've barely got their coats off !
These sort of changes normally occur late morning/early lunch
BBC One Yorks and Lincs HD is now broadcasting on 10847V 6911, though
it's not yet using that channel name so it may not have been fully
launched.
Likewise for BBC One West Mid HD on 11023H 8941.
In article <k4ehajF5fo6U2@mid.individual.net>,
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 07/02/2023 08:38, Bob Latham wrote::-) OK.
In article According to the press, the West Midlands would seeGive them a chance Bob, they've barely got their coats off !
Sky set 101 to HD today Tuesday 7th. This has not happened. (So
far, one might argue it's early doors).
It could be that the press got all the dates wrong, it could be
that Sky haven't got around to it yet but 101 is still not listed
under HD channels but 115 is.
These sort of changes normally occur late morning/early lunch
I'm sure you're correct but my limited experience with Sky is that
you wake up with "the new" which was done during the night.
On 07/02/2023 09:12, Bob Latham wrote:
In article <k4ehajF5fo6U2@mid.individual.net>,
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 07/02/2023 08:38, Bob Latham wrote::-) OK.
In article According to the press, the West Midlands would seeGive them a chance Bob, they've barely got their coats off !
Sky set 101 to HD today Tuesday 7th. This has not happened. (So
far, one might argue it's early doors).
It could be that the press got all the dates wrong, it could be
that Sky haven't got around to it yet but 101 is still not listed
under HD channels but 115 is.
These sort of changes normally occur late morning/early lunch
I'm sure you're correct but my limited experience with Sky is that
you wake up with "the new" which was done during the night.
It's there now I'm told
It's only of technical interest, I only watched one thriller serial
last year on iPlayer, that was the full extent of my BBC viewing.
On Tue, 07 Feb 2023 09:12:05 +0000 (GMT), Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
[...]
It's only of technical interest, I only watched one thriller serial
last year on iPlayer, that was the full extent of my BBC viewing.
Same here. So far this year I've watched Happy Valley, which was very
good, but rather steeply priced at £159 just for one drama programme.
The only other thing has been University Challenge, which passes the
time and allows me to feel smug if I know the answers to about three
of the questions, but I could just as happily live without it, and
after Paxo retires from the show it won't be the same anyway.
So far the only three regions are South, E Mids, and East.Â
In article <k4egpsF5fo6U1@mid.individual.net>,
Mark Carver says...
So far the only three regions are South, E Mids, and East.West Midlands and Yorks & Lincs went HD yesterday.
On 07/02/2023 11:19, Unsteadyken wrote:
In article <k4egpsF5fo6U1@mid.individual.net>,Not on the EPG though....
Mark Carver says...
So far the only three regions are South, E Mids, and East.West Midlands and Yorks & Lincs went HD yesterday.
So far the only three regions are South, E Mids, and East. (South is in native HD)
West Midlands and Yorks & Lincs went HD yesterday.
Not on the EPG though....
In article <k4egpsF5fo6U1@mid.individual.net>,
mark.carver@invalid.invalid says...
So far the only three regions are South, E Mids, and East. (South is in
native HD)
It doesn't look any different, in my view, I was wondering
if it was real HD or upscaled (BBC South).
On 07/02/2023 13:25, Mark Carver wrote:
On 07/02/2023 11:19, Unsteadyken wrote:
In article <k4egpsF5fo6U1@mid.individual.net>,Not on the EPG though....
Mark Carver says...
So far the only three regions are South, E Mids, and East.West Midlands and Yorks & Lincs went HD yesterday.
Maybe you need to force a retune or wait for one to happen overnight.
On 07/02/2023 16:03, Alistair Tyrrell wrote:
In article <k4egpsF5fo6U1@mid.individual.net>,
mark.carver@invalid.invalid says...
So far the only three regions are South, E Mids, and East. (South is in
native HD)
It doesn't look any different, in my view, I was wondering
if it was real HD or upscaled (BBC South).
Southern News definitely looks like real HD to me.
But I think some of the local studios are not HD equipped so they will
show local news as upscaled SD on the new localised HD channels.
On 07/02/2023 19:12, Brian Gregory wrote:
On 07/02/2023 16:03, Alistair Tyrrell wrote:Southampton was upgraded to native HD last year. The other regional sites
In article <k4egpsF5fo6U1@mid.individual.net>,
mark.carver@invalid.invalid says...
So far the only three regions are South, E Mids, and East. (South is in >>>> native HD)
It doesn't look any different, in my view, I was wondering
if it was real HD or upscaled (BBC South).
Southern News definitely looks like real HD to me.
But I think some of the local studios are not HD equipped so they will
show local news as upscaled SD on the new localised HD channels.
are London, Salford, and Plymouth.
I think Newcastle has just been upgraded in the last week or so.
Leaves quite a few still operating in SD. Bristol, Norwich, Birmingham, Nottingham, Leeds, Hull, and Jersey ?
 I'm surprised that the regions' studios didn't upgrade to HD in
advance of the changes in the broadcast chain, with the HD feed
*down*sampled to SD. It would allow them to make a bigger launch -
"look how much sharper local news is now it's gone HD".
On 07/02/2023 20:03, NY wrote:
I'm surprised that the regions' studios didn't upgrade to HD in advance
of the changes in the broadcast chain, with the HD feed *down*sampled to
SD. It would allow them to make a bigger launch - "look how much sharper
local news is now it's gone HD".
Why are you surprised ? I've been saying in here for literally years, that the roll out of HD equipment to the regions is, and will be painfully
slow.
What's happening at present is all about not having to switch channels
(from HD to SD) when the local news comes along.
In all other respects the two projects are separate.
On 07/02/2023 11:19, Unsteadyken wrote:
In article <k4egpsF5fo6U1@mid.individual.net>,Not on the EPG though....
Mark Carver says...
So far the only three regions are South, E Mids, and East.West Midlands and Yorks & Lincs went HD yesterday.
Noticed yesterday that 101 - BBC East (now merged West - where I am - and East) is now HD on Sky and the local news broadcasts are in HD. Quality much better than SD but some of the content to my untrained eye looks quite soft.
It wasn't the same after Bamber (RIP) left.
On Tue, 07 Feb 2023 11:29:16 +0000 (GMT), charles
<charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
It wasn't the same after Bamber (RIP) left.
I wouldn't be surprised if you said he was a mate of yours.
"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:k4fme1Fb4c9U1@mid.individual.net...
On 07/02/2023 19:12, Brian Gregory wrote:
On 07/02/2023 16:03, Alistair Tyrrell wrote:Southampton was upgraded to native HD last year. The other regional
In article <k4egpsF5fo6U1@mid.individual.net>,
mark.carver@invalid.invalid says...
So far the only three regions are South, E Mids, and East. (South
is in
native HD)
It doesn't look any different, in my view, I was wondering
if it was real HD or upscaled (BBC South).
Southern News definitely looks like real HD to me.
But I think some of the local studios are not HD equipped so they
will show local news as upscaled SD on the new localised HD channels.
sites are London, Salford, and Plymouth.
I think Newcastle has just been upgraded in the last week or so.
Leaves quite a few still operating in SD. Bristol, Norwich,
Birmingham, Nottingham, Leeds, Hull, and Jersey ?
I recorded Look North for the Yorkshire and Lincolnshire region: HD via satellite and SD via terrestrial from Belmont (*). And I agree that the
very obvious difference for the national news is much less obvious for
the local news, which makes me think that local is SD, upscaled to HD
and maybe sharpened very slightly. I'm surprised that the regions'
studios didn't upgrade to HD in advance of the changes in the broadcast chain, with the HD feed *down*sampled to SD. It would allow them to make
a bigger launch - "look how much sharper local news is now it's gone HD".
Compare (local news)
https://i.postimg.cc/13Sfs5Jz/vlcsnap-2023-02-07-19h38m10s181.png (SD) https://i.postimg.cc/SKTs6LqX/vlcsnap-2023-02-07-19h38m10s169.png (HD) https://i.postimg.cc/fbKd60sZ/vlcsnap-2023-02-07-19h38m10s169-rescaled.png (HD rescaled to SD size)
Not a lot of difference: you'd expect the captions at the very least to
be sharper on the HD version.
What I did notice - and maybe this is a known difference and you'll say
"How did anyone *not* know this?" - was the different colour rendition, especially on strong reds. Compare these two frames (almost identical
timing, by chance!):
https://i.postimg.cc/NMw7RwxC/vlcsnap-2023-02-07-19h32m29s212.png (SD) (**) https://i.postimg.cc/dQ5rVCgx/vlcsnap-2023-02-07-19h32m23s169.png (HD) https://i.postimg.cc/zv2xCcvL/vlcsnap-2023-02-07-19h32m23s169-rescaled.png (HD rescaled to SD size)
Sophie Raworth's red top is rendered very differently. This is from the national news where there *is* a difference in sharpness between SD and HD.
(*) I've only got one satellite tuner in my PVR so I can't record from
two different satellite muxes at the same time.
(**) Note that VLC player rescales still images from 720x576 to
1024x576, to preserve the 16:9 aspect ratio.
On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 02:20:16 +0000, Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> wrote:
On 07/02/2023 20:03, NY wrote:I normally record in SD, because it uses less disk space. The removal of the SD
"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in messageThe big thing after the change is that you don't have to either a)
news:k4fme1Fb4c9U1@mid.individual.net...
On 07/02/2023 19:12, Brian Gregory wrote:I recorded Look North for the Yorkshire and Lincolnshire region: HD via
On 07/02/2023 16:03, Alistair Tyrrell wrote:Southampton was upgraded to native HD last year. The other regional
In article <k4egpsF5fo6U1@mid.individual.net>,Southern News definitely looks like real HD to me.
mark.carver@invalid.invalid says...
So far the only three regions are South, E Mids, and East. (South >>>>>>> is inIt doesn't look any different, in my view, I was wondering
native HD)
if it was real HD or upscaled (BBC South).
But I think some of the local studios are not HD equipped so they
will show local news as upscaled SD on the new localised HD channels. >>>>>
sites are London, Salford, and Plymouth.
I think Newcastle has just been upgraded in the last week or so.
Leaves quite a few still operating in SD. Bristol, Norwich,
Birmingham, Nottingham, Leeds, Hull, and Jersey ?
satellite and SD via terrestrial from Belmont (*). And I agree that the
very obvious difference for the national news is much less obvious for
the local news, which makes me think that local is SD, upscaled to HD
and maybe sharpened very slightly. I'm surprised that the regions'
studios didn't upgrade to HD in advance of the changes in the broadcast
chain, with the HD feed *down*sampled to SD. It would allow them to make >>> a bigger launch - "look how much sharper local news is now it's gone HD". >>>
Compare (local news)
https://i.postimg.cc/13Sfs5Jz/vlcsnap-2023-02-07-19h38m10s181.png (SD)
https://i.postimg.cc/SKTs6LqX/vlcsnap-2023-02-07-19h38m10s169.png (HD)
https://i.postimg.cc/fbKd60sZ/vlcsnap-2023-02-07-19h38m10s169-rescaled.png (HD rescaled to SD size)
Not a lot of difference: you'd expect the captions at the very least to
be sharper on the HD version.
What I did notice - and maybe this is a known difference and you'll say
"How did anyone *not* know this?" - was the different colour rendition,
especially on strong reds. Compare these two frames (almost identical
timing, by chance!):
https://i.postimg.cc/NMw7RwxC/vlcsnap-2023-02-07-19h32m29s212.png (SD) (**) >>> https://i.postimg.cc/dQ5rVCgx/vlcsnap-2023-02-07-19h32m23s169.png (HD)
https://i.postimg.cc/zv2xCcvL/vlcsnap-2023-02-07-19h32m23s169-rescaled.png (HD rescaled to SD size)
Sophie Raworth's red top is rendered very differently. This is from the
national news where there *is* a difference in sharpness between SD and HD. >>>
(*) I've only got one satellite tuner in my PVR so I can't record from
two different satellite muxes at the same time.
(**) Note that VLC player rescales still images from 720x576 to
1024x576, to preserve the 16:9 aspect ratio.
change to a different channel to see your local news, or b) accept that
BBC One is always in SD while some other programs are in HD.
channels has also removed all the settings of what to record using Humax Freesat
PVR.
On 07/02/2023 20:03, NY wrote:
"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:k4fme1Fb4c9U1@mid.individual.net...
On 07/02/2023 19:12, Brian Gregory wrote:
On 07/02/2023 16:03, Alistair Tyrrell wrote:Southampton was upgraded to native HD last year. The other regional
In article <k4egpsF5fo6U1@mid.individual.net>,
mark.carver@invalid.invalid says...
So far the only three regions are South, E Mids, and East. (South
is in
native HD)
It doesn't look any different, in my view, I was wondering
if it was real HD or upscaled (BBC South).
Southern News definitely looks like real HD to me.
But I think some of the local studios are not HD equipped so they
will show local news as upscaled SD on the new localised HD channels.
sites are London, Salford, and Plymouth.
I think Newcastle has just been upgraded in the last week or so.
Leaves quite a few still operating in SD. Bristol, Norwich,
Birmingham, Nottingham, Leeds, Hull, and Jersey ?
I recorded Look North for the Yorkshire and Lincolnshire region: HD via
satellite and SD via terrestrial from Belmont (*). And I agree that the
very obvious difference for the national news is much less obvious for
the local news, which makes me think that local is SD, upscaled to HD
and maybe sharpened very slightly. I'm surprised that the regions'
studios didn't upgrade to HD in advance of the changes in the broadcast
chain, with the HD feed *down*sampled to SD. It would allow them to make
a bigger launch - "look how much sharper local news is now it's gone HD".
Compare (local news)
https://i.postimg.cc/13Sfs5Jz/vlcsnap-2023-02-07-19h38m10s181.png (SD)
https://i.postimg.cc/SKTs6LqX/vlcsnap-2023-02-07-19h38m10s169.png (HD)
https://i.postimg.cc/fbKd60sZ/vlcsnap-2023-02-07-19h38m10s169-rescaled.png (HD rescaled to SD size)
Not a lot of difference: you'd expect the captions at the very least to
be sharper on the HD version.
What I did notice - and maybe this is a known difference and you'll say
"How did anyone *not* know this?" - was the different colour rendition,
especially on strong reds. Compare these two frames (almost identical
timing, by chance!):
https://i.postimg.cc/NMw7RwxC/vlcsnap-2023-02-07-19h32m29s212.png (SD) (**) >> https://i.postimg.cc/dQ5rVCgx/vlcsnap-2023-02-07-19h32m23s169.png (HD)
https://i.postimg.cc/zv2xCcvL/vlcsnap-2023-02-07-19h32m23s169-rescaled.png (HD rescaled to SD size)
Sophie Raworth's red top is rendered very differently. This is from the
national news where there *is* a difference in sharpness between SD and HD. >>
(*) I've only got one satellite tuner in my PVR so I can't record from
two different satellite muxes at the same time.
(**) Note that VLC player rescales still images from 720x576 to
1024x576, to preserve the 16:9 aspect ratio.
The big thing after the change is that you don't have to either a)
change to a different channel to see your local news, or b) accept that
BBC One is always in SD while some other programs are in HD.
"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:k5jml2Ft8m7U1@mid.individual.net...Yes, I know. However, I don't think (where HD and SD versions of exactly
I don't think you'll be able to find the BBC 1 SD stream on an HD
Freesat box now ? That's Freesat's policy.
Sky HD boxes still have BBC 1 SD UK available on Ch 801.
The various BBC channels in SD have all been moved to 12422H and put
into a "nightlight" phase, which means that they will be withdrawn at
some unspecified time in the future. So they've not gone yat, but they
will do...
I don't think you'll be able to find the BBC 1 SD stream on an HD Freesat
box now ? That's Freesat's policy.
Sky HD boxes still have BBC 1 SD UK available on Ch 801.
I don't think (where HD and SD versions of exactly
the same channels exist) that the SD version is available via the EPG on
HD Freesat boxes, thus making them impossible to record ?
On 21/02/2023 13:32, NY wrote:
"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in messageYes, I know. However, I don't think (where HD and SD versions of exactly
news:k5jml2Ft8m7U1@mid.individual.net...
I don't think you'll be able to find the BBC 1 SD stream on an HD
Freesat box now ? That's Freesat's policy.
Sky HD boxes still have BBC 1 SD UK available on Ch 801.
The various BBC channels in SD have all been moved to 12422H and put
into a "nightlight" phase, which means that they will be withdrawn at
some unspecified time in the future. So they've not gone yat, but they
will do...
the same channels exist) that the SD version is available via the EPG on
HD Freesat boxes, thus making them impossible to record ?
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