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    From pinnerite@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 6 20:19:27 2023
    Not long after I bought a Samsung "Smart TV", ITV hub ceased to be
    available. Then last year I read something similar was taking place(!).

    Given that the TV runs under Linux, surely a software upgrade would
    have enabled us geratrics to contiue to enjoy streamed ITV programmes?

    Why haven't there been mass protests in 'er wherever Samsung hangs out?


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  • From David Wade@21:1/5 to pinnerite on Fri Jan 6 22:50:58 2023
    On 06/01/2023 20:19, pinnerite wrote:

    Not long after I bought a Samsung "Smart TV", ITV hub ceased to be
    available. Then last year I read something similar was taking place(!).


    define "not long after". The hub works on post 2015 Samsung TVs so
    hardly "recent"


    Given that the TV runs under Linux, surely a software upgrade would
    have enabled us geratrics to contiue to enjoy streamed ITV programmes?

    Why haven't there been mass protests in 'er wherever Samsung hangs out?


    I believe its the same thing. New protection then rename the app.
    lots of alternatives that go into the HDMI port, so Chromecast,
    Firestick, Android box, YouView box.

    Many like me will have an external PVR so thats not an issue.

    I think we expect apps to disappear from TVs. It seems to happen all the
    time. My LG has lost many over the years.

    Dave

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  • From Jeff Layman@21:1/5 to pinnerite on Fri Jan 6 22:15:32 2023
    On 06/01/2023 20:19, pinnerite wrote:

    Not long after I bought a Samsung "Smart TV", ITV hub ceased to be
    available. Then last year I read something similar was taking place(!).

    Given that the TV runs under Linux, surely a software upgrade would
    have enabled us geratrics to contiue to enjoy streamed ITV programmes?

    I checked my Panasonic earlier this evening and found the ITV app had
    changed to ITVX. Not sure when it was updated, but I didn't do it
    manually and autoupdate is disabled.

    Why haven't there been mass protests in 'er wherever Samsung hangs out?

    --

    Jeff

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  • From Brian Gregory@21:1/5 to pinnerite on Sat Jan 7 03:17:18 2023
    On 06/01/2023 20:19, pinnerite wrote:

    Not long after I bought a Samsung "Smart TV", ITV hub ceased to be
    available. Then last year I read something similar was taking place(!).

    Given that the TV runs under Linux, surely a software upgrade would
    have enabled us geratrics to contiue to enjoy streamed ITV programmes?

    Why haven't there been mass protests in 'er wherever Samsung hangs out?


    I think Samsung TVs run Tizen.

    So in the same way that you can't run any old Linux app on an Android
    phone you can't run any old Linux app on a Samsung TV either.

    --
    Brian Gregory (in England).

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  • From Wilf@21:1/5 to pinnerite on Sat Jan 7 09:24:49 2023
    On 06/01/2023 at 20:19, pinnerite wrote:

    Not long after I bought a Samsung "Smart TV", ITV hub ceased to be
    available. Then last year I read something similar was taking place(!).

    Given that the TV runs under Linux, surely a software upgrade would
    have enabled us geratrics to contiue to enjoy streamed ITV programmes?

    Why haven't there been mass protests in 'er wherever Samsung hangs out?



    If your Samsung Smart TV is as old as mine, c. 2014, you'll probably
    have found that most of the useful apps have disappeared from the Smart
    Hub which is now a rather Dumb Hub. Instead of buying a new TV, I now
    use an Amazon Fire Stick which inserts into one of the TV's HDMI ports
    and provides all the apps you're likely to need, including ITVX.
    --
    Wilf

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  • From Martin@21:1/5 to pinnerite on Sat Jan 7 12:01:50 2023
    On Fri, 6 Jan 2023 20:19:27 +0000, pinnerite <pinnerite@gmail.com> wrote:


    Not long after I bought a Samsung "Smart TV", ITV hub ceased to be
    available. Then last year I read something similar was taking place(!).

    Given that the TV runs under Linux, surely a software upgrade would
    have enabled us geratrics to contiue to enjoy streamed ITV programmes?

    Why haven't there been mass protests in 'er wherever Samsung hangs out?



    Samsung doesn't update devices that are more than two years old.
    --

    Martin in Zuid Holland

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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 7 12:37:07 2023
    I have not checked but Samsung put out a software update a couple of weeks
    ago.
    One of the biggest annoyances is the lack on many apps on TVS of any way to get AD, It is often an option, but the app writers despite having voice for menus and AD, seem to completely miss the point about why its there. If it
    had been designed in to start with, then it would not have cost them a bean.
    Brian

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    "pinnerite" <pinnerite@gmail.com> wrote in message news:20230106201927.f948aa26f8d8f0eb1875ef6f@gmail.com...

    Not long after I bought a Samsung "Smart TV", ITV hub ceased to be
    available. Then last year I read something similar was taking place(!).

    Given that the TV runs under Linux, surely a software upgrade would
    have enabled us geratrics to contiue to enjoy streamed ITV programmes?

    Why haven't there been mass protests in 'er wherever Samsung hangs out?


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    running on an AMD Phenom II X4 Black edition processor with 16GB of
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  • From R. Mark Clayton@21:1/5 to Wilf on Sat Jan 7 08:09:35 2023
    On Saturday, 7 January 2023 at 09:24:51 UTC, Wilf wrote:
    On 06/01/2023 at 20:19, pinnerite wrote:

    Not long after I bought a Samsung "Smart TV", ITV hub ceased to be available. Then last year I read something similar was taking place(!).

    Given that the TV runs under Linux, surely a software upgrade would
    have enabled us geratrics to contiue to enjoy streamed ITV programmes?

    Why haven't there been mass protests in 'er wherever Samsung hangs out?


    If your Samsung Smart TV is as old as mine, c. 2014, you'll probably
    have found that most of the useful apps have disappeared from the Smart
    Hub which is now a rather Dumb Hub. Instead of buying a new TV, I now
    use an Amazon Fire Stick which inserts into one of the TV's HDMI ports
    and provides all the apps you're likely to need, including ITVX.
    --
    Wilf

    We got a Samsung "smart TV" for the kitchen in 2016. Whilst not dumb, it certainly ain't smart.

    The biggest annoyance [for my partner], who likes cookery programs, is that if a recipe is available online, the TV can't display its PDF on screen.

    The TV is otherwise OK, but the poor 'Smarts' meant when it came time to buy a big TV for the lounge, it wasn't a Samsung.

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  • From David Wade@21:1/5 to R. Mark Clayton on Sat Jan 7 21:06:03 2023
    On 07/01/2023 16:09, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
    On Saturday, 7 January 2023 at 09:24:51 UTC, Wilf wrote:
    On 06/01/2023 at 20:19, pinnerite wrote:

    Not long after I bought a Samsung "Smart TV", ITV hub ceased to be
    available. Then last year I read something similar was taking place(!).

    Given that the TV runs under Linux, surely a software upgrade would
    have enabled us geratrics to contiue to enjoy streamed ITV programmes?

    Why haven't there been mass protests in 'er wherever Samsung hangs out?


    If your Samsung Smart TV is as old as mine, c. 2014, you'll probably
    have found that most of the useful apps have disappeared from the Smart
    Hub which is now a rather Dumb Hub. Instead of buying a new TV, I now
    use an Amazon Fire Stick which inserts into one of the TV's HDMI ports
    and provides all the apps you're likely to need, including ITVX.
    --
    Wilf

    We got a Samsung "smart TV" for the kitchen in 2016. Whilst not dumb, it certainly ain't smart.

    The biggest annoyance [for my partner], who likes cookery programs, is that if a recipe is available online, the TV can't display its PDF on screen.

    The TV is otherwise OK, but the poor 'Smarts' meant when it came time to buy a big TV for the lounge, it wasn't a Samsung.

    I suspect you will be disappointed whatever the choice...

    I swapped from LG to Samsung as the LG did not have a full range of
    players, and when you pressed program guide the existing channel disappeared....

    ... the Samsung solved these problems but it has other, but I would be
    very surprised if you can find a TV that can display PDF files.

    If you can copy and paste URLs then perhaps:-

    https://www.sejda.com/pdf-reader

    would work...

    Dave

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  • From R. Mark Clayton@21:1/5 to David Wade on Sun Jan 8 04:30:52 2023
    On Saturday, 7 January 2023 at 21:06:04 UTC, David Wade wrote:
    On 07/01/2023 16:09, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
    On Saturday, 7 January 2023 at 09:24:51 UTC, Wilf wrote:
    On 06/01/2023 at 20:19, pinnerite wrote:

    Not long after I bought a Samsung "Smart TV", ITV hub ceased to be
    available. Then last year I read something similar was taking place(!). >>>
    Given that the TV runs under Linux, surely a software upgrade would
    have enabled us geratrics to contiue to enjoy streamed ITV programmes? >>>
    Why haven't there been mass protests in 'er wherever Samsung hangs out? >>>

    If your Samsung Smart TV is as old as mine, c. 2014, you'll probably
    have found that most of the useful apps have disappeared from the Smart
    Hub which is now a rather Dumb Hub. Instead of buying a new TV, I now
    use an Amazon Fire Stick which inserts into one of the TV's HDMI ports
    and provides all the apps you're likely to need, including ITVX.
    --
    Wilf

    We got a Samsung "smart TV" for the kitchen in 2016. Whilst not dumb, it certainly ain't smart.

    The biggest annoyance [for my partner], who likes cookery programs, is that if a recipe is available online, the TV can't display its PDF on screen.

    The TV is otherwise OK, but the poor 'Smarts' meant when it came time to buy a big TV for the lounge, it wasn't a Samsung.
    I suspect you will be disappointed whatever the choice...

    I swapped from LG to Samsung as the LG did not have a full range of
    players, and when you pressed program guide the existing channel disappeared....

    ... the Samsung solved these problems but it has other, but I would be
    very surprised if you can find a TV that can display PDF files.

    If you can copy and paste URLs then perhaps:-

    https://www.sejda.com/pdf-reader

    would work...

    Dave

    I will check our main TV (Toshiba), however all four mainstream browsers (Chrome, Edge, Firefox & IE11) will display PDF's in a web page.
    As Chrome will run on [full] Android, I would assume that Sony, Philips and some others will do this.

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  • From David Wade@21:1/5 to R. Mark Clayton on Sun Jan 8 16:48:44 2023
    On 08/01/2023 12:30, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
    On Saturday, 7 January 2023 at 21:06:04 UTC, David Wade wrote:
    On 07/01/2023 16:09, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
    On Saturday, 7 January 2023 at 09:24:51 UTC, Wilf wrote:
    On 06/01/2023 at 20:19, pinnerite wrote:

    Not long after I bought a Samsung "Smart TV", ITV hub ceased to be
    available. Then last year I read something similar was taking place(!). >>>>>
    Given that the TV runs under Linux, surely a software upgrade would
    have enabled us geratrics to contiue to enjoy streamed ITV programmes? >>>>>
    Why haven't there been mass protests in 'er wherever Samsung hangs out? >>>>>

    If your Samsung Smart TV is as old as mine, c. 2014, you'll probably
    have found that most of the useful apps have disappeared from the Smart >>>> Hub which is now a rather Dumb Hub. Instead of buying a new TV, I now
    use an Amazon Fire Stick which inserts into one of the TV's HDMI ports >>>> and provides all the apps you're likely to need, including ITVX.
    --
    Wilf

    We got a Samsung "smart TV" for the kitchen in 2016. Whilst not dumb, it certainly ain't smart.

    The biggest annoyance [for my partner], who likes cookery programs, is that if a recipe is available online, the TV can't display its PDF on screen.

    The TV is otherwise OK, but the poor 'Smarts' meant when it came time to buy a big TV for the lounge, it wasn't a Samsung.
    I suspect you will be disappointed whatever the choice...

    I swapped from LG to Samsung as the LG did not have a full range of
    players, and when you pressed program guide the existing channel
    disappeared....

    ... the Samsung solved these problems but it has other, but I would be
    very surprised if you can find a TV that can display PDF files.

    If you can copy and paste URLs then perhaps:-

    https://www.sejda.com/pdf-reader

    would work...

    Dave

    I will check our main TV (Toshiba), however all four mainstream browsers (Chrome, Edge, Firefox & IE11) will display PDF's in a web page.
    As Chrome will run on [full] Android, I would assume that Sony, Philips and some others will do this.

    IE 11 a "Mainstream browser". Its being removed from most PC's by
    Microsoft. I did check and the latest Sony appear to be able to do this,
    but my TVs have cut down browsers,....

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  • From R. Mark Clayton@21:1/5 to David Wade on Mon Jan 9 05:05:20 2023
    On Sunday, 8 January 2023 at 16:48:46 UTC, David Wade wrote:
    On 08/01/2023 12:30, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
    SNIP

    I will check our main TV (Toshiba), however all four mainstream browsers (Chrome, Edge, Firefox & IE11) will display PDF's in a web page.
    As Chrome will run on [full] Android, I would assume that Sony, Philips and some others will do this.
    IE 11 a "Mainstream browser". Its being removed from most PC's by
    Microsoft.

    IE11 - deprecated, but not removed. It still does some things Edge and the others won't. OTOH it hangs occasionally.

    I did check and the latest Sony appear to be able to do this,

    Thanks for confirming my "guess".

    but my TVs have cut down browsers,....

    Likewise, so misdesription?

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  • From David Wade@21:1/5 to R. Mark Clayton on Tue Jan 10 09:53:16 2023
    On 09/01/2023 13:05, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
    On Sunday, 8 January 2023 at 16:48:46 UTC, David Wade wrote:
    On 08/01/2023 12:30, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
    SNIP

    I will check our main TV (Toshiba), however all four mainstream browsers (Chrome, Edge, Firefox & IE11) will display PDF's in a web page.
    As Chrome will run on [full] Android, I would assume that Sony, Philips and some others will do this.
    IE 11 a "Mainstream browser". Its being removed from most PC's by
    Microsoft.

    IE11 - deprecated, but not removed. It still does some things Edge and the others won't. OTOH it hangs occasionally.

    Mis-read the blurb. It will be disabled in Feb on in-support pcs

    https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-it-pro-blog/internet-explorer-11-desktop-app-retirement-faq/ba-p/2366549


    I did check and the latest Sony appear to be able to do this,

    Thanks for confirming my "guess".

    but my TVs have cut down browsers,....

    Likewise, so misdesription?

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  • From R. Mark Clayton@21:1/5 to David Wade on Tue Jan 10 06:18:39 2023
    On Tuesday, 10 January 2023 at 09:53:18 UTC, David Wade wrote:
    On 09/01/2023 13:05, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
    On Sunday, 8 January 2023 at 16:48:46 UTC, David Wade wrote:
    On 08/01/2023 12:30, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
    SNIP

    I will check our main TV (Toshiba), however all four mainstream browsers (Chrome, Edge, Firefox & IE11) will display PDF's in a web page.
    As Chrome will run on [full] Android, I would assume that Sony, Philips and some others will do this.
    IE 11 a "Mainstream browser". Its being removed from most PC's by
    Microsoft.

    IE11 - deprecated, but not removed. It still does some things Edge and the others won't. OTOH it hangs occasionally.
    Mis-read the blurb. It will be disabled in Feb on in-support pcs

    https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-it-pro-blog/internet-explorer-11-desktop-app-retirement-faq/ba-p/2366549

    Shame - menus, RSS, search website etc. are features in IE11 and either absent or messy to access in Edge.


    I did check and the latest Sony appear to be able to do this,

    Thanks for confirming my "guess".

    but my TVs have cut down browsers,....

    Likewise, so misdesription?

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  • From David Wade@21:1/5 to R. Mark Clayton on Tue Jan 10 15:01:46 2023
    On 10/01/2023 14:18, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
    On Tuesday, 10 January 2023 at 09:53:18 UTC, David Wade wrote:
    On 09/01/2023 13:05, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
    On Sunday, 8 January 2023 at 16:48:46 UTC, David Wade wrote:
    On 08/01/2023 12:30, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
    SNIP

    I will check our main TV (Toshiba), however all four mainstream browsers (Chrome, Edge, Firefox & IE11) will display PDF's in a web page.
    As Chrome will run on [full] Android, I would assume that Sony, Philips and some others will do this.
    IE 11 a "Mainstream browser". Its being removed from most PC's by
    Microsoft.

    IE11 - deprecated, but not removed. It still does some things Edge and the others won't. OTOH it hangs occasionally.
    Mis-read the blurb. It will be disabled in Feb on in-support pcs

    https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-it-pro-blog/internet-explorer-11-desktop-app-retirement-faq/ba-p/2366549

    Shame - menus, RSS, search website etc. are features in IE11 and either absent or messy to access in Edge.

    I gave up on a browser for RSS and use Outlook. It looks like
    Thunderbird will also work.



    I did check and the latest Sony appear to be able to do this,

    Thanks for confirming my "guess".

    but my TVs have cut down browsers,....

    Likewise, so misdesription?

    Depends on your point of view. I would say the only non-optional file
    format is HTML and they do that.

    Dave

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