• Channel 799 freeview

    From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 2 10:33:32 2023
    What is the purpose of this channel? It merely seems to be telling people withSat receivers that there will be changes but it won't affect anyone.
    huh?
    Brian

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  • From Dave W@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 2 20:00:07 2023
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  • From jaouad zarrabi@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 2 13:25:05 2023
    El lunes, 2 de enero de 2023 a las 21:09:24 UTC+1, Dave W escribió:
    On Mon, 2 Jan 2023 10:33:32 -0000, "Brian Gaff" <brian...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    What is the purpose of this channel? It merely seems to be telling people >withSat receivers that there will be changes but it won't affect anyone. >huh?
    Brian
    Weird! Channel 799 on Freesat has the identical wording. However, when
    the 'information' button is pressed on my Freeview SD receiver, it
    says "No changes needed", but Freesat on my HD receiver says "More BBC channels available in HD". So it only affects people with HD Freeview
    or Freesat.
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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to Dave W on Tue Jan 3 08:17:48 2023
    On 02/01/2023 20:00, Dave W wrote:
    On Mon, 2 Jan 2023 10:33:32 -0000, "Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    What is the purpose of this channel? It merely seems to be telling people
    withSat receivers that there will be changes but it won't affect anyone.
    huh?
    Brian
    Weird! Channel 799 on Freesat has the identical wording. However, when
    the 'information' button is pressed on my Freeview SD receiver, it
    says "No changes needed", but Freesat on my HD receiver says "More BBC channels available in HD". So it only affects people with HD Freeview
    or Freesat.
    Between now and April on Freeview, Freesat, and Sky the much awaited BBC
    1 HD regions launch.

    On Freesat and Sky, once the regions have launched HD versions, all the
    SD versions will close, to be replaced by a single national version of
    BBC 1 in SD.
    Obviously anybody with an SD only satellite box will need to upgrade to
    HD to receive BBC 1 with regional progs. Sky are offereing free upgrades
    for any of their subscribers still with an SD box.
    Very few SD Freesat boxes exist, but presumably this 799 page is to
    gauge reaction.
    This time next year, the BBC are hoping to ditch the SD versions of BBC
    2, 3, 4, and News on satellite too.

    The HD regions will also launch on Freeview, but (as no bandwidth will
    be saved) they will continue also in SD for the time being. However, I
    suspect some people may have to run a Freeview rescan, because the
    regional BBC 1 HD might have different PIDS, to the current national
    version  ?

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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to Dave W on Tue Jan 3 17:55:53 2023
    Since the set in this case has no dish or receiver, it seems rather
    pointless having it, Maybe the built in text speech does not read
    everything which is on the screen?
    of late the screenreader on the Samsung has been getting confused. For
    example on Pick it says Sky arts container and then obliterates what its
    saying about the channel and you have to go in and make it say it again..
    Also some channels say BBC Paragraph, for no apparent reason.
    Then on channels that cannot have AD it is silent, but channels that do
    allow it it says Audio description, but when it really does have it it says broadcasting with audio description then says audio description again, and
    if there are captions as well it sandwiches it in the middle. However the program guide seems not to let you find this info out, and the new so called accessible guide on 555, simply does not work.
    I think this is a typical case of fix one issue, and create three others
    and did not check for before you would it out to real blind people.
    I'm sure the public these days are being used as testers.
    Brian

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    "Dave W" <davewi11@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:fdd6rhparopi8rc54s3ded4bu9idh3gj83@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 2 Jan 2023 10:33:32 -0000, "Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    What is the purpose of this channel? It merely seems to be telling people >>withSat receivers that there will be changes but it won't affect anyone. >>huh?
    Brian

    Weird! Channel 799 on Freesat has the identical wording. However, when
    the 'information' button is pressed on my Freeview SD receiver, it
    says "No changes needed", but Freesat on my HD receiver says "More BBC channels available in HD". So it only affects people with HD Freeview
    or Freesat.
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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Tue Jan 3 18:07:35 2023
    Well a lot of the Freeview sd boxes do exist with blind people as the
    Smartalk Goodman's unit is still used by many with a more reliable remote control and they are being refurbished by several companies as are the old
    TV Onics boxes as they can be made to speak too.
    I do also get a trifle annoyed that some of the catch up services now available do not have the AD track as an option, Since Apple TV manage it on their services and to some extent so do netflix, its hardly rocket science
    any more.
    I noticed for example the other night that a channel on Samsung is re
    running Relic Hunter. It was I believe made for Sky and always used to have
    AD, but not the ones running on Samsung,as there seems no way to actually select that on the channel.

    Even ch 5 running NCIS seems to have lost the ad track they used to have before.
    Its very wasteful and a little insulting to us that somebody thought it was worth paying for these tracks but then it never travels with the shows half
    the time.
    Brian

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    "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:k1i6lcFti36U1@mid.individual.net...
    On 02/01/2023 20:00, Dave W wrote:
    On Mon, 2 Jan 2023 10:33:32 -0000, "Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    What is the purpose of this channel? It merely seems to be telling
    people
    withSat receivers that there will be changes but it won't affect anyone. >>> huh?
    Brian
    Weird! Channel 799 on Freesat has the identical wording. However, when
    the 'information' button is pressed on my Freeview SD receiver, it
    says "No changes needed", but Freesat on my HD receiver says "More BBC
    channels available in HD". So it only affects people with HD Freeview
    or Freesat.
    Between now and April on Freeview, Freesat, and Sky the much awaited BBC 1
    HD regions launch.

    On Freesat and Sky, once the regions have launched HD versions, all the SD versions will close, to be replaced by a single national version of BBC 1
    in SD.
    Obviously anybody with an SD only satellite box will need to upgrade to HD
    to receive BBC 1 with regional progs. Sky are offereing free upgrades for
    any of their subscribers still with an SD box.
    Very few SD Freesat boxes exist, but presumably this 799 page is to gauge reaction.
    This time next year, the BBC are hoping to ditch the SD versions of BBC 2,
    3, 4, and News on satellite too.

    The HD regions will also launch on Freeview, but (as no bandwidth will be saved) they will continue also in SD for the time being. However, I
    suspect some people may have to run a Freeview rescan, because the
    regional BBC 1 HD might have different PIDS, to the current national
    version ?

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  • From NY@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Tue Jan 3 22:49:24 2023
    On 03/01/2023 08:17, Mark Carver wrote:
    On Freesat and Sky, once the regions have launched HD versions, all the
    SD versions will close, to be replaced by a single national version of
    BBC 1 in SD.
    Obviously anybody with an SD only satellite box will need to upgrade to
    HD to receive BBC 1 with regional progs. Sky are offereing free upgrades
    for any of their subscribers still with an SD box.
    Very few SD Freesat boxes exist, but presumably this 799 page is to
    gauge reaction.
    This time next year, the BBC are hoping to ditch the SD versions of BBC
    2, 3, 4, and News on satellite too.


    In the grand scheme of things, how much extra would it have cost to keep
    SD versions of BBC2, 3, 4, and News? I can understand the thinking
    behind only keeping one national version of BBC1 SD once all the
    regional versions of BBC1 HD are available, but if they feel there is a
    need for BBC1 SD after that, surely there is an identical need for BBC2,
    3, 4, and News in SD.

    Or am I missing something?

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 4 07:41:54 2023
    On 03/01/2023 22:49, NY wrote:
    On 03/01/2023 08:17, Mark Carver wrote:
    On Freesat and Sky, once the regions have launched HD versions, all
    the SD versions will close, to be replaced by a single national
    version of BBC 1 in SD.
    Obviously anybody with an SD only satellite box will need to upgrade
    to HD to receive BBC 1 with regional progs. Sky are offereing free
    upgrades for any of their subscribers still with an SD box.
    Very few SD Freesat boxes exist, but presumably this 799 page is to
    gauge reaction.
    This time next year, the BBC are hoping to ditch the SD versions of
    BBC 2, 3, 4, and News on satellite too.


    In the grand scheme of things, how much extra would it have cost to
    keep SD versions of BBC2, 3, 4, and News? I can understand the
    thinking behind only keeping one national version of BBC1 SD once all
    the regional versions of BBC1 HD are available, but if they feel there
    is a need for BBC1 SD after that, surely there is an identical need
    for BBC2, 3, 4, and News in SD.

    Or am I missing something?

    How many SD only satellite boxes might you expect to still be in use
    this time next year ?

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  • From NY@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Wed Jan 4 09:32:20 2023
    "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:k1kou2Fb8l0U1@mid.individual.net...
    On 03/01/2023 22:49, NY wrote:
    In the grand scheme of things, how much extra would it have cost to keep
    SD versions of BBC2, 3, 4, and News? I can understand the thinking behind
    only keeping one national version of BBC1 SD once all the regional
    versions of BBC1 HD are available, but if they feel there is a need for
    BBC1 SD after that, surely there is an identical need for BBC2, 3, 4, and
    News in SD.

    Or am I missing something?

    How many SD only satellite boxes might you expect to still be in use this time next year ?

    That's a perfectly valid point. In which case, why are they planning to keep
    a single BBC 1 SD on DVB-S? Surely the reason you give applies equally to
    all channels that have (or will have) an HD equivalent.

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 4 09:35:29 2023
    On 04/01/2023 09:32, NY wrote:
    "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:k1kou2Fb8l0U1@mid.individual.net...
    On 03/01/2023 22:49, NY wrote:
    In the grand scheme of things, how much extra would it have cost to
    keep SD versions of BBC2, 3, 4, and News? I can understand the
    thinking behind only keeping one national version of BBC1 SD once
    all the regional versions of BBC1 HD are available, but if they feel
    there is a need for BBC1 SD after that, surely there is an identical
    need for BBC2, 3, 4, and News in SD.

    Or am I missing something?

    How many SD only satellite boxes might you expect to still be in use
    this time next year ?

    That's a perfectly valid point. In which case, why are they planning
    to keep a single BBC 1 SD on DVB-S? Surely the reason you give applies equally to all channels that have (or will have) an HD equivalent.

    My understanding is by this April the only SD version of BBC 1 available
    on satellite will be a single national version.

    Around Spring 2024 all BBC SD channels on satellite will cease
    (including BBC 1)

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 4 10:37:37 2023
    On 04/01/2023 10:33, NY wrote:
    "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:k1kvj2Fb8l0U2@mid.individual.net...
    On 04/01/2023 09:32, NY wrote:
    "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    news:k1kou2Fb8l0U1@mid.individual.net...
    On 03/01/2023 22:49, NY wrote:
    In the grand scheme of things, how much extra would it have cost
    to keep SD versions of BBC2, 3, 4, and News? I can understand the
    thinking behind only keeping one national version of BBC1 SD once
    all the regional versions of BBC1 HD are available, but if they
    feel there is a need for BBC1 SD after that, surely there is an
    identical need for BBC2, 3, 4, and News in SD.

    Or am I missing something?

    How many SD only satellite boxes might you expect to still be in
    use this time next year ?

    That's a perfectly valid point. In which case, why are they planning
    to keep a single BBC 1 SD on DVB-S? Surely the reason you give
    applies equally to all channels that have (or will have) an HD
    equivalent.

    My understanding is by this April the only SD version of BBC 1
    available on satellite will be a single national version.

    Around Spring 2024 all BBC SD channels on satellite will cease
    (including BBC 1)

    Ah, I hadn't seen anything about the Spring 2024 date.

    You didn't read the link I posted in the thread I started on Dec 23rd then ?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/articles/2022/BBC-One-HD-rollout-England

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  • From NY@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Wed Jan 4 10:33:52 2023
    "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:k1kvj2Fb8l0U2@mid.individual.net...
    On 04/01/2023 09:32, NY wrote:
    "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    news:k1kou2Fb8l0U1@mid.individual.net...
    On 03/01/2023 22:49, NY wrote:
    In the grand scheme of things, how much extra would it have cost to
    keep SD versions of BBC2, 3, 4, and News? I can understand the thinking >>>> behind only keeping one national version of BBC1 SD once all the
    regional versions of BBC1 HD are available, but if they feel there is a >>>> need for BBC1 SD after that, surely there is an identical need for
    BBC2, 3, 4, and News in SD.

    Or am I missing something?

    How many SD only satellite boxes might you expect to still be in use
    this time next year ?

    That's a perfectly valid point. In which case, why are they planning to
    keep a single BBC 1 SD on DVB-S? Surely the reason you give applies
    equally to all channels that have (or will have) an HD equivalent.

    My understanding is by this April the only SD version of BBC 1 available
    on satellite will be a single national version.

    Around Spring 2024 all BBC SD channels on satellite will cease (including
    BBC 1)

    Ah, I hadn't seen anything about the Spring 2024 date.

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  • From Paul Ratcliffe@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 15 10:41:25 2023
    On Tue, 3 Jan 2023 08:17:48 +0000, Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    The HD regions will also launch on Freeview, but (as no bandwidth will
    be saved) they will continue also in SD for the time being. However, I suspect some people may have to run a Freeview rescan, because the
    regional BBC 1 HD might have different PIDS, to the current national
    version  ?

    I'd have thought that was inevitable for everyone (or almost everyone) in England. But who knows what may actually happen.

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