https://rxtvinfo.com/2022/smithsonian-channel-closing-falls-victim-to-streaming
The Smithsonian Channel will cease broadcasting in the UK and Ireland.
Its programmes will continue to be available online.
https://rxtvinfo.com/2022/smithsonian-channel-closing-falls-victim-to-streaming
The Smithsonian Channel will cease broadcasting in the UK and Ireland. Its programmes will continue to be available online.
Why is it always the interesting channels that close down, and the
"complete arse-gravy" (a Stephen Fry-ism, IIRC *) channels such as
shopping, lifestyle, makeover and low-budget music video which are allowed
to live to see another day.
There's evidently money to be made in religious channels, since I see 4
have been added to Freeview recently. Important for those people who
actually believe in it.
(*) Ah yes, https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/493218-it-is-complete-loose-stool-water-it-is-arse-gravy-of
;-)
In this case most of the viewers are likely to be techie and living in developed countries, so they can easily move online and save satellite transponder revenue.
So who makes such decisions, and on what data?
On 17/12/2022 18:18, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
In this case most of the viewers are likely to be techie and living in
developed countries, so they can easily move online and save satellite
transponder revenue.
They may also be skilled at recording and skipping the adverts, whereas, online, it can be more difficult to avoid the adverts.
Does anyone actually sit through the adverts and watch them as if they
were part of the programme? Doesn't everyone get up fr a pee or to make
a cup of tea during the adverts?
I certainly don't watch adverts. Either I skip over them by editing them
out of the recording, or else I mute the sound and do something else if
I'm watching online and the technology won't let me skip over them.
Does anyone actually sit through the adverts and watch them as if they
were part of the programme? Doesn't everyone get up fr a pee or to make
a cup of tea during the adverts?
In message <uvucnQtYPO4vgQP-nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, NY <me@privacy.net> writes
Does anyone actually sit through the adverts and watch them as if they
were part of the programme? Doesn't everyone get up fr a pee or to
make a cup of tea during the adverts?
Very occasionally an advert can be better than most programmes, though.
I'd sooner watch almost any Specsavers ad than most programmes, for example. And at this time of year, the adverts for perfumes have a
certain charm of their own. Presumably the idea is to make men think
that, if they will only buy the advertised scent for their wife or girlfriend, she will magically be transformed into a sex goddess.
On Sat 17/12/2022 21:00, John Hall wrote:
In message <uvucnQtYPO4vgQP-nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, NY
<me@privacy.net> writes
Does anyone actually sit through the adverts and watch them as if they
were part of the programme? Doesn't everyone get up fr a pee or to make
a cup of tea during the adverts?
Very occasionally an advert can be better than most programmes, though.
I'd sooner watch almost any Specsavers ad than most programmes, for
example. And at this time of year, the adverts for perfumes have a
certain charm of their own. Presumably the idea is to make men think
that, if they will only buy the advertised scent for their wife or
girlfriend, she will magically be transformed into a sex goddess.
You mean it isn't true????
Damn!
On 17/12/2022 19:46, NY wrote:
I certainly don't watch adverts. Either I skip over them by editing
them out of the recording, or else I mute the sound and do something
else if I'm watching online and the technology won't let me skip over
them.
You're not a suitable product for a commercial TV channel! I assume
they have moved out of UK FreeView because the product quality was too
poor.
Does anyone actually sit through the adverts and watch them as if they
were part of the programme? Doesn't everyone get up fr a pee or to make
a cup of tea during the adverts?
You Tube seem to think passing exposure to 5 seconds of the branding,
often enough, is quite effective.
On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 12:47:27 -0000, "Brian Gaff"
<brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:
Well I find it a little annoying that on some channels you get audio
described adverts, while on others you don't Specsavers makes little sense >> unless you can see the picture or hear the narration. Many of the sale ads >> for shops are the same, a lot of the Virgin ads are the same.
It is nice to listen to Waitrose adds as they paint a pastoral yesteryear
that probably never actually existed.
Brian
I was watching a recording on my Humax Foxsat HDR recorder, and
suddenly realised that the woman's voice describing scenes was audio description, not part of the programme. I discovered that my recorder
had been set to record audio description, but I did not know that
there is no way to switch it off during replay.
I thought that selecting AD (which is always in addition to the "normal" sound) can always be selected on playback, like subtitles. I think that's
the case with my Freeview Fox. Perhaps the broadcasters transmitted the
sound incorrectly.
"Max Demian" <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote in message news:tnpvp0$catn$1@dont-email.me...
I thought that selecting AD (which is always in addition to the
"normal" sound) can always be selected on playback, like subtitles. I
think that's the case with my Freeview Fox. Perhaps the broadcasters
transmitted the sound incorrectly.
The AD track seems to be used two different ways by different
broadcasters. Either it is *in addition* to the programme sound and is narration *only*, so the player needs to mix the two tracks together
(this is what BBC and maybe other UK broadcasters do); or else it is
*instead of* the programme sound track and is *already* a mix of
programme and AD sound (this seems to be mainly a non-UK convention). A player that is designed for the non-UK convention (eg VLC player on a computer) will not be able to mix the two soundtracks of a UK broadcast
so the listener has to chose between AD narration and programme sound
(eg dialogue) - neither of which in its own is sufficient.
I presume that TVs and set-top boxes that are provided by the (British)
Royal National Institute for the Blind can perform the mixing of
programme and AD tracks, and maybe can alternatively play just AD track
for broadcasts that supply AD pre-mixed with programme sound.
On 19/12/2022 20:09, NY wrote:
"Max Demian" <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:tnpvp0$catn$1@dont-email.me...
I thought that selecting AD (which is always in addition to the
"normal" sound) can always be selected on playback, like subtitles. I
think that's the case with my Freeview Fox. Perhaps the broadcasters
transmitted the sound incorrectly.
The AD track seems to be used two different ways by different
broadcasters. Either it is *in addition* to the programme sound and is
narration *only*, so the player needs to mix the two tracks together
(this is what BBC and maybe other UK broadcasters do); or else it is
*instead of* the programme sound track and is *already* a mix of
programme and AD sound (this seems to be mainly a non-UK convention).
A player that is designed for the non-UK convention (eg VLC player on
a computer) will not be able to mix the two soundtracks of a UK
broadcast so the listener has to chose between AD narration and
programme sound (eg dialogue) - neither of which in its own is
sufficient.
I presume that TVs and set-top boxes that are provided by the
(British) Royal National Institute for the Blind can perform the
mixing of programme and AD tracks, and maybe can alternatively play
just AD track for broadcasts that supply AD pre-mixed with programme
sound.
In my experience the BBC usually mixes the original audio with the
narration on the narration track but will often fade it down really low
while the narrator is speaking.
However it's not often I stray on to the narration track.
In my experience the BBC usually mixes the original audio with the
narration on the narration track but will often fade it down really low
while the narrator is speaking.
However it's not often I stray on to the narration track.
I'm sure in the past it's been on recordings from BBC channels that I've heard complete silence on the AD track (even while characters are
visible speaking), and then suddenly there is an isolated sentence
describing some action, before silence returns. So you'd need a mix of programme sound and AD to get the full effect if you're blind.
But checking Monday's episode of Strike (which I happen to have on the
laptop I'm using now) the AD track behaves as you describe.
Later this morning I'll check some older recordings of programmes to see
if I can find examples of the exclusive use of the AD track (ie
narration and nothing else) and see which channels do/did it like that. You've got me starting to doubt my sanity now ;-)
In article <AEKdneYv_LYWyj_-nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:
I'm sure in the past it's been on recordings from BBC channels that I've
heard complete silence on the AD track (even while characters are
visible speaking), and then suddenly there is an isolated sentence
describing some action, before silence returns. So you'd need a mix of
programme sound and AD to get the full effect if you're blind.
But checking Monday's episode of Strike (which I happen to have on the
laptop I'm using now) the AD track behaves as you describe.
Later this morning I'll check some older recordings of programmes to see
if I can find examples of the exclusive use of the AD track (ie
narration and nothing else) and see which channels do/did it like that.
You've got me starting to doubt my sanity now ;-)
If someone is using VLC or similar to capture/watch the stream they could check what the actual streams are as it will list them, and they'll be in
the .ts file recorded.
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In article <AEKdneYv_LYWyj_-...@brightview.co.uk>, NY
<m...@privacy.net> wrote:
I'm sure in the past it's been on recordings from BBC channels that I've >> heard complete silence on the AD track (even while characters are
visible speaking), and then suddenly there is an isolated sentence
describing some action, before silence returns. So you'd need a mix of
programme sound and AD to get the full effect if you're blind.
But checking Monday's episode of Strike (which I happen to have on the
laptop I'm using now) the AD track behaves as you describe.
Later this morning I'll check some older recordings of programmes to see >> if I can find examples of the exclusive use of the AD track (ie
narration and nothing else) and see which channels do/did it like that. >> You've got me starting to doubt my sanity now ;-)
If someone is using VLC or similar to capture/watch the stream they could check what the actual streams are as it will list them, and they'll be in the .ts file recorded.Yes, VLC and other software shows two audio streams - one of them typically named "NAR" (short for "narration"?). But it's a matter of what those two audio streams contain. The programme sound will be just that - a mix of dialogue, music and effects (maybe stereo, maybe 5.1). But the other will be either
- narration only (no dialogue, music and effects)
- narration plus dialogue, music and effects
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