• Loud censorship beep

    From Pamela@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 19 08:54:37 2021
    Why is the censorship beep played over offensive words so loud and
    intrusive?

    Rarely, censorship is done by removing the offensive words without using
    a beep which is much easier to listen to.

    Is there a historical reason for the very loud beep? Perhaps the beep
    used to be added to an analogue soundtrack and needed to be louder than
    any existing audio?

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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to Pamela on Fri Nov 19 10:06:52 2021
    OK I asked a person at the Beeb some years ago about this, and they said it
    was for two reasons. To preserve the overall length, and to indicate that a rude or offensive word was removed. Its even on records of a certain
    vintage. A Boy Named Sue comes to mind. The actual recording, which I have heard says I'm the Son of Bitch who named you sue.



    Of course when it comes to music, tracks are either banned or re recorded.
    Beautiful South Don't Marry Her, comes to mind. However the Americans were
    a bit more sensitive in years of old and Big John had the original last
    verse redone so instead of At the bottom of this mine lies a big big man, it actually says, at the bottom of this mine lies one hell of a man.
    I don't think anyone actually ever plays the first track on Harry noises album, Son of Smielson, as every other word is a swear word. Somebody really must have pissed the writer off to get that song out of it!

    Brian

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    "Pamela" <pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com> wrote in message news:XnsADE75AA46DC2737B93@144.76.35.252...
    Why is the censorship beep played over offensive words so loud and
    intrusive?

    Rarely, censorship is done by removing the offensive words without using
    a beep which is much easier to listen to.

    Is there a historical reason for the very loud beep? Perhaps the beep
    used to be added to an analogue soundtrack and needed to be louder than
    any existing audio?

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 19 10:18:24 2021
    On 19/11/2021 10:06, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
    OK I asked a person at the Beeb some years ago about this, and they said it was for two reasons. To preserve the overall length, and to indicate that a rude or offensive word was removed. Its even on records of a certain
    vintage. A Boy Named Sue comes to mind. The actual recording, which I have heard says I'm the Son of Bitch who named you sue.

    You might think that any sensible artist would change their style to
    avoid having to be censored but I would think with many of the moronic
    current "artists", they will revel in being censored.

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  • From Pamela@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 19 11:07:06 2021
    On 10:06 19 Nov 2021, Brian Gaff (Sofa) said:

    OK I asked a person at the Beeb some years ago about this, and they
    said it was for two reasons. To preserve the overall length, and to
    indicate that a rude or offensive word was removed. Its even on
    records of a certain vintage. A Boy Named Sue comes to mind. The
    actual recording, which I have heard says I'm the Son of Bitch who
    named you sue.

    The overall length can still be preserved with a quieter beep or even
    with low-level white noise.

    A loud beep certainly draws attention and sometimes it does that to what
    can be guessed are very minor "offensive" words. The result is an
    annoying distraction from what else is being said.

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  • From Liz Tuddenham@21:1/5 to Pamela on Fri Nov 19 19:26:03 2021
    Pamela <pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 10:06 19 Nov 2021, Brian Gaff (Sofa) said:

    OK I asked a person at the Beeb some years ago about this, and they
    said it was for two reasons. To preserve the overall length, and to indicate that a rude or offensive word was removed. Its even on
    records of a certain vintage. A Boy Named Sue comes to mind. The
    actual recording, which I have heard says I'm the Son of Bitch who
    named you sue.

    The overall length can still be preserved with a quieter beep or even
    with low-level white noise.

    A loud beep certainly draws attention and sometimes it does that to what
    can be guessed are very minor "offensive" words. The result is an
    annoying distraction from what else is being said.

    I've sometimes substituted the offensive word played backwards, it
    doesn't draw attention to itself and is subliminally dismissed as a word
    the listener didn't quite catch.


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  • From tony sayer@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 19 20:42:04 2021
    In article <XnsADE7711A7103437B93@144.76.35.252>, Pamela <pamela.private .mailbox@gmail.com> scribeth thus
    On 10:06 19 Nov 2021, Brian Gaff (Sofa) said:

    OK I asked a person at the Beeb some years ago about this, and they
    said it was for two reasons. To preserve the overall length, and to
    indicate that a rude or offensive word was removed. Its even on
    records of a certain vintage. A Boy Named Sue comes to mind. The
    actual recording, which I have heard says I'm the Son of Bitch who
    named you sue.

    The overall length can still be preserved with a quieter beep or even
    with low-level white noise.

    A loud beep certainly draws attention and sometimes it does that to what
    can be guessed are very minor "offensive" words. The result is an
    annoying distraction from what else is being said.


    Wonder why anyone has to ask its simply that Auntie knows best and
    doesn't want us sheeple cunts fucking corrupted!.....

    See that Mr Marr wants to speak more freely;!...

    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/andrew-marr-joins-lbc/
    --
    Tony Sayer


    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person.

    Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself.

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  • From Roderick Stewart@21:1/5 to MB@nospam.net on Sat Nov 20 08:24:29 2021
    On Fri, 19 Nov 2021 10:18:24 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

    You might think that any sensible artist would change their style to
    avoid having to be censored

    You might think a sensible audience would change their choice of
    entertainment to avoid being offended.

    Self censorship isn't any better than butchery of a creative work by
    others. An artist wouldn't be properly expressing their own ideas if
    they changed their style to accommodate what they assumed someone
    else's sensitivities to be.

    And what could they assume anyway? Prudery changes with time and
    place, so it would be impossible to devise any form of expression that
    avoided all of it and still meant anything.

    Rod.

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  • From NY@21:1/5 to Roderick Stewart on Sat Nov 20 10:35:09 2021
    "Roderick Stewart" <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message news:j3bhpg1mupr92mouj2vqfsf6admbfn3abd@4ax.com...
    On Fri, 19 Nov 2021 10:18:24 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

    You might think that any sensible artist would change their style to
    avoid having to be censored

    You might think a sensible audience would change their choice of entertainment to avoid being offended.

    Self censorship isn't any better than butchery of a creative work by
    others. An artist wouldn't be properly expressing their own ideas if
    they changed their style to accommodate what they assumed someone
    else's sensitivities to be.

    And what could they assume anyway? Prudery changes with time and
    place, so it would be impossible to devise any form of expression that avoided all of it and still meant anything.

    Taken to its logical conclusion, *everything* that anyone says might offend *someone* (if they were "easily offended") so maybe writers of songs, books,
    TV programmes etc should just stop writing altogether.

    Alternatively, people should learn to grow thicker skins - and also, only to
    be personally offended rather than being offended on behalf of other people (the old "I [a white person] was offended that black people might find this offensive").

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 20 10:50:28 2021
    NY wrote:

    everything* that anyone says might offend *someone*

    As Stephen Fry would say, "So fucking what?".

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to Liz Tuddenham on Sat Nov 20 11:53:51 2021
    On 19/11/2021 19:26, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
    Pamela <pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 10:06 19 Nov 2021, Brian Gaff (Sofa) said:

    OK I asked a person at the Beeb some years ago about this, and they
    said it was for two reasons. To preserve the overall length, and to
    indicate that a rude or offensive word was removed. Its even on
    records of a certain vintage. A Boy Named Sue comes to mind. The
    actual recording, which I have heard says I'm the Son of Bitch who
    named you sue.

    The overall length can still be preserved with a quieter beep or even
    with low-level white noise.

    A loud beep certainly draws attention and sometimes it does that to what
    can be guessed are very minor "offensive" words. The result is an
    annoying distraction from what else is being said.

    I've sometimes substituted the offensive word played backwards, it
    doesn't draw attention to itself and is subliminally dismissed as a word
    the listener didn't quite catch.

    Or just a word that fits the lip movements, like "melonfarmer".

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  • From Pamela@21:1/5 to tony sayer on Sat Nov 20 12:00:26 2021
    On 20:42 19 Nov 2021, tony sayer said:
    In article <XnsADE7711A7103437B93@144.76.35.252>, Pamela
    <pamela.private .mailbox@gmail.com> scribeth thus
    On 10:06 19 Nov 2021, Brian Gaff (Sofa) said:

    OK I asked a person at the Beeb some years ago about this, and
    they said it was for two reasons. To preserve the overall length,
    and to indicate that a rude or offensive word was removed. Its
    even on records of a certain vintage. A Boy Named Sue comes to
    mind. The actual recording, which I have heard says I'm the Son of
    Bitch who named you sue.

    The overall length can still be preserved with a quieter beep or
    even with low-level white noise.

    A loud beep certainly draws attention and sometimes it does that to
    what can be guessed are very minor "offensive" words. The result is
    an annoying distraction from what else is being said.


    Wonder why anyone has to ask its simply that Auntie knows best and
    doesn't want us sheeple cunts fucking corrupted!.....

    See that Mr Marr wants to speak more freely;!...

    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/andrew-marr-joins-lbc/

    It's not only the Beeb that uses loud beeps. Sadly it's almost the norm.

    Interesting about Andrew Marr joining LBC. LBC has precious few support
    staff for its broadcasters, so I wonder what programme format he will
    use.

    Other former big names at LBC, like Farage and Lammy, have lowered
    themselves to phone-ins from banal callers. And I don't think Marr could handle a full-service news show like Nick Ferrari.

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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to me@privacy.invalid on Sun Nov 21 09:54:41 2021
    Yes indeed. I agree. There has been a song around by a well known female actress and vocalist where the lyrics say something along the lines of, you only want me because I'm tight, and I do not imagine she means has moths in
    her wallet.

    The other problem is the old historical one. Song of the south, the Disney
    film does use a lot fof stereotypes for the old times in certain parts of
    the USA, which makes it always get mail if its shown. But do you smooth out completely what was really going on in those days? The Musical Carousel is similar in this respect. There is nothing out there that won't upset
    somebody sometime. and surely we should be grown up enough to only view what
    we want to in the form of content. I guess one could argue that automated
    radio stations merely picking at random from a playlist needs to have some guide to what to put out, if they rely on advertising to make their money,
    but really are people so offended that they will completely boycott
    something if they played Baby its Cold Outside at Christmas?

    Brian

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    On Fri, 19 Nov 2021 10:18:24 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

    You might think that any sensible artist would change their style to >>>avoid having to be censored

    You might think a sensible audience would change their choice of
    entertainment to avoid being offended.

    Self censorship isn't any better than butchery of a creative work by
    others. An artist wouldn't be properly expressing their own ideas if
    they changed their style to accommodate what they assumed someone
    else's sensitivities to be.

    And what could they assume anyway? Prudery changes with time and
    place, so it would be impossible to devise any form of expression that
    avoided all of it and still meant anything.

    Taken to its logical conclusion, *everything* that anyone says might
    offend *someone* (if they were "easily offended") so maybe writers of
    songs, books, TV programmes etc should just stop writing altogether.

    Alternatively, people should learn to grow thicker skins - and also, only
    to be personally offended rather than being offended on behalf of other people (the old "I [a white person] was offended that black people might
    find this offensive").

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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to Roderick Stewart on Sun Nov 21 09:45:59 2021
    Yes, the Beautiful South original of Don't marry her is exactly how somebody pissed of in the real world might voice their feelings when they lost
    somebody in the way described.

    OK so the lady in the song is well known for relishing singing smut, but
    then again why not!

    Brian

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    On Fri, 19 Nov 2021 10:18:24 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

    You might think that any sensible artist would change their style to
    avoid having to be censored

    You might think a sensible audience would change their choice of entertainment to avoid being offended.

    Self censorship isn't any better than butchery of a creative work by
    others. An artist wouldn't be properly expressing their own ideas if
    they changed their style to accommodate what they assumed someone
    else's sensitivities to be.

    And what could they assume anyway? Prudery changes with time and
    place, so it would be impossible to devise any form of expression that avoided all of it and still meant anything.

    Rod.

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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to MB@nospam.net on Sun Nov 21 09:43:18 2021
    Johnny cash, remember was performing inside a prison.
    I know for some time the BBC would not play Pink Floyds Money due to the
    word Bullshit in it.
    Brian

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    "MB" <MB@nospam.net> wrote in message news:sn7tlg$7tf$1@dont-email.me...
    On 19/11/2021 10:06, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
    OK I asked a person at the Beeb some years ago about this, and they said
    it
    was for two reasons. To preserve the overall length, and to indicate that
    a
    rude or offensive word was removed. Its even on records of a certain
    vintage. A Boy Named Sue comes to mind. The actual recording, which I
    have
    heard says I'm the Son of Bitch who named you sue.

    You might think that any sensible artist would change their style to avoid having to be censored but I would think with many of the moronic current "artists", they will revel in being censored.


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