I see one of the proposed new BBC radio stations (channels?) intends broadcasting popular music from the 1950, '60s and '70s. From the
interviews I have heard so far, it appears that they don't realise that
by far the most popular music in the 1950s was light orchestral and
nothing like the 'pop' music of the '60s.
As very little of that has survived on records and the BBC has no light orchestras any more, it will be interesting to hear how they plan to
revive it -- or will they just rewrite history to suit their
preconceived ideas?
I see one of the proposed new BBC radio stations (channels?) intends broadcasting popular music from the 1950, '60s and '70s. From the
interviews I have heard so far, it appears that they don't realise that
by far the most popular music in the 1950s was light orchestral and
nothing like the 'pop' music of the '60s.
As very little of that has survived on records and the BBC has no light orchestras any more, it will be interesting to hear how they plan to
revive it -- or will they just rewrite history to suit their
preconceived ideas?
I see one of the proposed new BBC radio stations (channels?) intends broadcasting popular music from the 1950, '60s and '70s. From the
interviews I have heard so far, it appears that they don't realise that
by far the most popular music in the 1950s was light orchestral and
nothing like the 'pop' music of the '60s.
As very little of that has survived on records and the BBC has no light orchestras any more, it will be interesting to hear how they plan to
revive it -- or will they just rewrite history to suit their
preconceived ideas?
On 07/02/2024 18:09, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
I see one of the proposed new BBC radio stations (channels?) intendsWhat I heard suggests that the new stations will, basically, be on the
broadcasting popular music from the 1950, '60s and '70s. From the
interviews I have heard so far, it appears that they don't realise that
by far the most popular music in the 1950s was light orchestral and
nothing like the 'pop' music of the '60s.
As very little of that has survived on records and the BBC has no light
orchestras any more, it will be interesting to hear how they plan to
revive it -- or will they just rewrite history to suit their
preconceived ideas?
same pattern as many of the commercial stations. The "new" radio 3
sounds remarkably like Classic FM for instance.
As the BBC claim to be too strapped for cash as it is, where is the
money to run these extra stations coming from?
On 07/02/2024 18:09, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
I see one of the proposed new BBC radio stations (channels?) intends
broadcasting popular music from the 1950, '60s and '70s. From the
interviews I have heard so far, it appears that they don't realise that
by far the most popular music in the 1950s was light orchestral and
nothing like the 'pop' music of the '60s.
As very little of that has survived on records and the BBC has no light
orchestras any more, it will be interesting to hear how they plan to
revive it -- or will they just rewrite history to suit their
preconceived ideas?
What I heard suggests that the new stations will, basically, be on the
same pattern as many of the commercial stations. The "new" radio 3
sounds remarkably like Classic FM for instance.
As the BBC claim to be too strapped for cash as it is, where is the
money to run these extra stations coming from?
On 07/02/2024 18:09, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
I see one of the proposed new BBC radio stations (channels?) intendsWhat I heard suggests that the new stations will, basically, be on the
broadcasting popular music from the 1950, '60s and '70s. From the
interviews I have heard so far, it appears that they don't realise that
by far the most popular music in the 1950s was light orchestral and
nothing like the 'pop' music of the '60s.
As very little of that has survived on records and the BBC has no light
orchestras any more, it will be interesting to hear how they plan to
revive it -- or will they just rewrite history to suit their
preconceived ideas?
same pattern as many of the commercial stations. The "new" radio 3
sounds remarkably like Classic FM for instance.
As the BBC claim to be too strapped for cash as it is, where is the
money to run these extra stations coming from?
On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 19:21:41 +0000, John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
As the BBC claim to be too strapped for cash as it is, where is the
money to run these extra stations coming from?
Depleting the local radio services in England?
In message <l2i3i5FcfolU1@mid.individual.net> at Wed, 7 Feb 2024
19:21:41, John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> writes
On 07/02/2024 18:09, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
I see one of the proposed new BBC radio stations (channels?) intends
broadcasting popular music from the 1950, '60s and '70s. From the
interviews I have heard so far, it appears that they don't realise that
by far the most popular music in the 1950s was light orchestral and
nothing like the 'pop' music of the '60s.
As very little of that has survived on records and the BBC has no light
orchestras any more, it will be interesting to hear how they plan to
revive it -- or will they just rewrite history to suit their
preconceived ideas?
Was Rock and Roll (and similar) considered "American"? When did it
become popular here?
Though I fear you're right, and light orchestral will get very little
look in. (There's probably enough material - in the BBC's own vaults if nowhere else - but it won't be considered "cool".*)
And, will they be online only? The announcements I've heard so far haveWhat I heard suggests that the new stations will, basically, be on the
same pattern as many of the commercial stations. The "new" radio 3
sounds remarkably like Classic FM for instance.
As the BBC claim to be too strapped for cash as it is, where is the
money to run these extra stations coming from?
- I'm sure deliberately - been quiet on that subject. I suspect they
will (or make other, existing, stations go there), as that's their not-very-well-hidden aim for everything.
* I'm of the narrow generation that considers "cool" to be an
old-fashioned expression (thus not cool!) - popular with those half a generation earlier, as epitomised by for example the Fonz; however, I'm
aware it came back (in about the late '80s or 90s?0 and stayed.
On 07/02/2024 18:09, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
I see one of the proposed new BBC radio stations (channels?) intends broadcasting popular music from the 1950, '60s and '70s. From the interviews I have heard so far, it appears that they don't realise that
by far the most popular music in the 1950s was light orchestral and
nothing like the 'pop' music of the '60s.
As very little of that has survived on records and the BBC has no light orchestras any more, it will be interesting to hear how they plan to
revive it -- or will they just rewrite history to suit their
preconceived ideas?
Obviously never heard of Rock n Roll, Elvis etc
As very little of that has survived on records and the BBC has no light orchestras any more, it will be interesting to hear how they plan to
revive it -- or will they just rewrite history to suit their
preconceived ideas?
On 07/02/2024 18:09, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
As very little of that has survived on records and the BBC has no light orchestras any more, it will be interesting to hear how they plan to
revive it -- or will they just rewrite history to suit their
preconceived ideas?
There could be a lot in BBC Sound Archive.
JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
On 07/02/2024 18:09, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
As very little of that has survived on records and the BBC has no light orchestras any more, it will be interesting to hear how they plan to revive it -- or will they just rewrite history to suit their
preconceived ideas?
There could be a lot in BBC Sound Archive.
Popular music shows were rarely recorded and kept. With orchestras on
hand, the performances were often live and recordings for repeats were destroyed after transmission because of copyright restrictions (they
were 'deemed' not to exist).
There are commercial recordings of music from that era, but the
repertoire is fairly limited. It was much more common for a popular
tune to be played by many different orchestras, each with their own distinctive style, so the BBC could broadcast considerable variety with
only a small repertoire of tunes. A commercial recording represented a significant investment for a record company, so they would only record
one version of the tune (or at most two) by whichever orchestra they
already had under contract, that they thought was best suited to it.
A significant proportion of the early editions of the BBC training
handbook "The Technique of the Sound Studio" by Alec Nisbett and BBC
training notes for Studio Managers is given over to microphone placement
for recording solo instruments, small combinations of instruments and
light orchestras for popular music. It was a normal bread-and-butter
thing to book a studio, a small band or orchestra, a soloist and an announcer* to produce a 'live' half-hour light music programme; very
rarely was there any need to record one.
The best source of recordings would be transcription discs for
distribution to overseas transmitting staions and military bases, but
there were often destroyed after they had served their purpose. A lot
of the surviving ones are in bad condition and the equipment to play
them properly is very specialised because they were not recorded to RIAA standards. A lot of American material of this type has survived, but relatively little British.
*...and of course, a Studio Engineer, but nobody was concerned about
them.
Tim Jones <timjones@invalid.invlaid> wrote:
On 07/02/2024 18:09, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
I see one of the proposed new BBC radio stations (channels?) intends
broadcasting popular music from the 1950, '60s and '70s. From the
interviews I have heard so far, it appears that they don't realise that
by far the most popular music in the 1950s was light orchestral and
nothing like the 'pop' music of the '60s.
As very little of that has survived on records and the BBC has no light
orchestras any more, it will be interesting to hear how they plan to
revive it -- or will they just rewrite history to suit their
preconceived ideas?
Obviously never heard of Rock n Roll, Elvis etc
That was a very niche market which didn't develop in the UK until the
'60s.
On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 22:31:19 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
Tim Jones <timjones@invalid.invlaid> wrote:
On 07/02/2024 18:09, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
I see one of the proposed new BBC radio stations (channels?) intends
broadcasting popular music from the 1950, '60s and '70s. From the
interviews I have heard so far, it appears that they don't realise that >> > by far the most popular music in the 1950s was light orchestral and
nothing like the 'pop' music of the '60s.
As very little of that has survived on records and the BBC has no light >> > orchestras any more, it will be interesting to hear how they plan to
revive it -- or will they just rewrite history to suit their
preconceived ideas?
Obviously never heard of Rock n Roll, Elvis etc
That was a very niche market which didn't develop in the UK until the
'60s.
And was then largely neglected by the BBC until nearly 1970.
In article <1qolqqr.10djtmoyxt6gwN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>,
Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
On 07/02/2024 18:09, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
As very little of that has survived on records and the BBC has no light >>>> orchestras any more, it will be interesting to hear how they plan to
revive it -- or will they just rewrite history to suit their
preconceived ideas?
There could be a lot in BBC Sound Archive.
Popular music shows were rarely recorded and kept. With orchestras on
hand, the performances were often live and recordings for repeats were
destroyed after transmission because of copyright restrictions (they
were 'deemed' not to exist).
There are commercial recordings of music from that era, but the
repertoire is fairly limited. It was much more common for a popular
tune to be played by many different orchestras, each with their own
distinctive style, so the BBC could broadcast considerable variety with
only a small repertoire of tunes. A commercial recording represented a
significant investment for a record company, so they would only record
one version of the tune (or at most two) by whichever orchestra they
already had under contract, that they thought was best suited to it.
A significant proportion of the early editions of the BBC training
handbook "The Technique of the Sound Studio" by Alec Nisbett and BBC
training notes for Studio Managers is given over to microphone placement
for recording solo instruments, small combinations of instruments and
light orchestras for popular music. It was a normal bread-and-butter
thing to book a studio, a small band or orchestra, a soloist and an
announcer* to produce a 'live' half-hour light music programme; very
rarely was there any need to record one.
The best source of recordings would be transcription discs for
distribution to overseas transmitting staions and military bases, but
there were often destroyed after they had served their purpose. A lot
of the surviving ones are in bad condition and the equipment to play
them properly is very specialised because they were not recorded to RIAA
standards. A lot of American material of this type has survived, but
relatively little British.
*...and of course, a Studio Engineer, but nobody was concerned about
them.
Last year, I managed to buy a couple of CDs which have been made of recordings of the BBC Scottish Variety and Scottish Radio Orchestras.
As very little of that has survived on records and the BBC has no light >orchestras any more, it will be interesting to hear how they plan to
revive it -- or will they just rewrite history to suit their
preconceived ideas?
In article <1qokkoi.1negrb8perhngN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>,
Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
As very little of that has survived on records and the BBC has no light >orchestras any more, it will be interesting to hear how they plan to
revive it -- or will they just rewrite history to suit their
preconceived ideas?
If they can't play that music because it wasn't recorded, I don't see
why you think not playing it would be "to suit their preconceived
ideas".
Richard Tobin <richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
In article <1qokkoi.1negrb8perhngN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>,
Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
As very little of that has survived on records and the BBC has no light
orchestras any more, it will be interesting to hear how they plan to
revive it -- or will they just rewrite history to suit their
preconceived ideas?
If they can't play that music because it wasn't recorded, I don't see
why you think not playing it would be "to suit their preconceived
ideas".
Compared with the amount that was broadcast live, very little has
survived on record and the immense popularity it enjoyed has been
ignored. The BBC has attempted to re-write history by abolishing the
term "Light Music" and, as far as recent generations are concerned, they
have succeeded. The modern preconceived ideas are based on what the BBC tells people happened, not on what actually happened.
Look back at copies of the Radio Times from the 1950s and see how much
of the Light Programme's output was light music, compared to 'pop'.
That's what really happened.
In article <1qolqqr.10djtmoyxt6gwN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>,
Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
On 07/02/2024 18:09, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
As very little of that has survived on records and the BBC has no light orchestras any more, it will be interesting to hear how they plan to revive it -- or will they just rewrite history to suit their preconceived ideas?
There could be a lot in BBC Sound Archive.
Popular music shows were rarely recorded and kept. With orchestras on hand, the performances were often live and recordings for repeats were destroyed after transmission because of copyright restrictions (they
were 'deemed' not to exist).
There are commercial recordings of music from that era, but the
repertoire is fairly limited.
Last year, I managed to buy a couple of CDs which have been made of recordings of the BBC Scottish Variety and Scottish Radio Orchestras.
Tim Jones <timjones@invalid.invlaid> wrote:
On 07/02/2024 18:09, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
I see one of the proposed new BBC radio stations (channels?) intendsObviously never heard of Rock n Roll, Elvis etc
broadcasting popular music from the 1950, '60s and '70s. From the
interviews I have heard so far, it appears that they don't realise that
by far the most popular music in the 1950s was light orchestral and
nothing like the 'pop' music of the '60s.
As very little of that has survived on records and the BBC has no light
orchestras any more, it will be interesting to hear how they plan to
revive it -- or will they just rewrite history to suit their
preconceived ideas?
That was a very niche market which didn't develop in the UK until the
'60s.
On Wed 07/02/2024 20:24, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
In message <l2i3i5FcfolU1@mid.individual.net> at Wed, 7 Feb 2024
19:21:41, John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> writes
On 07/02/2024 18:09, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
I see one of the proposed new BBC radio stations (channels?) intends
broadcasting popular music from the 1950, '60s and '70s. From the
interviews I have heard so far, it appears that they don't realise that >>>> by far the most popular music in the 1950s was light orchestral and
nothing like the 'pop' music of the '60s.
As very little of that has survived on records and the BBC has no light >>>> orchestras any more, it will be interesting to hear how they plan to
revive it -- or will they just rewrite history to suit their
preconceived ideas?
Was Rock and Roll (and similar) considered "American"? When did it
become popular here?
Though I fear you're right, and light orchestral will get very little
look in. (There's probably enough material - in the BBC's own vaults if
nowhere else - but it won't be considered "cool".*)
And, will they be online only? The announcements I've heard so far haveWhat I heard suggests that the new stations will, basically, be on the
same pattern as many of the commercial stations. The "new" radio 3
sounds remarkably like Classic FM for instance.
As the BBC claim to be too strapped for cash as it is, where is the
money to run these extra stations coming from?
- I'm sure deliberately - been quiet on that subject. I suspect they
will (or make other, existing, stations go there), as that's their
not-very-well-hidden aim for everything.
* I'm of the narrow generation that considers "cool" to be an
old-fashioned expression (thus not cool!) - popular with those half a
generation earlier, as epitomised by for example the Fonz; however, I'm
aware it came back (in about the late '80s or 90s?0 and stayed.
The will be DAB+ over air, but since much 'early' music was mono then
will the station(s) be mono?
A few years (decades?) ago I got some CDs from the US of things like
Beyond Our Ken/Round The Horne and The Navy Lark. Some seem to be of
original quality but a couple had obviously been recorded off AM radio!
Still good listening nonetheless - they don't make clever and really
funny programs like that any more!
"Hello, I'm Julian and this is my friend Sandy - ooh, its Mr Horne isn't
it?"
"Left hand down a teensey weasey bit Chief"
"Left hand down a teensey weasey bit it is Sir."
On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 17:51:29 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
[snip]
My mum was an actress and I thought she got 50% as a repeat fee each
time the broadcast was repeated. Does this system exist? If not, are
there some 'grandfather' rights for older material?
In article <1qokkoi.1negrb8perhngN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>,
Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
As very little of that has survived on records and the BBC has no light >>orchestras any more, it will be interesting to hear how they plan to
revive it -- or will they just rewrite history to suit their
preconceived ideas?
If they can't play that music because it wasn't recorded, I don't see
why you think not playing it would be "to suit their preconceived
ideas".
-- Richard
On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 11:47:43 +0000, Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com>[]
wrote:
A few years (decades?) ago I got some CDs from the US of things like
Beyond Our Ken/Round The Horne and The Navy Lark. Some seem to be of
"Left hand down a teensey weasey bit Chief"
"Left hand down a teensey weasey bit it is Sir."
Bona!
Rod.
Richard Tobin <richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
In article
<1qokkoi.1negrb8perhngN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>, Liz
Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
As very little of that has survived on records and the BBC has no
light orchestras any more, it will be interesting to hear how
they plan to revive it -- or will they just rewrite history to
suit their preconceived ideas?
If they can't play that music because it wasn't recorded, I don't
see why you think not playing it would be "to suit their
preconceived ideas".
Compared with the amount that was broadcast live, very little has
survived on record and the immense popularity it enjoyed has been
ignored. The BBC has attempted to re-write history by abolishing the
term "Light Music" and, as far as recent generations are concerned,
they have succeeded. The modern preconceived ideas are based on what
the BBC tells people happened, not on what actually happened.
Look back at copies of the Radio Times from the 1950s and see how much
of the Light Programme's output was light music, compared to 'pop'.
That's what really happened.
Liz Tuddenham wrote:
Richard Tobin <richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
In article
<1qokkoi.1negrb8perhngN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>, Liz
Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
As very little of that has survived on records and the BBC has no
light orchestras any more, it will be interesting to hear how
they plan to revive it -- or will they just rewrite history to
suit their preconceived ideas?
If they can't play that music because it wasn't recorded, I don't
see why you think not playing it would be "to suit their
preconceived ideas".
Compared with the amount that was broadcast live, very little has
survived on record and the immense popularity it enjoyed has been
ignored. The BBC has attempted to re-write history by abolishing the
term "Light Music" and, as far as recent generations are concerned,
they have succeeded. The modern preconceived ideas are based on what
the BBC tells people happened, not on what actually happened.
Look back at copies of the Radio Times from the 1950s and see how much
of the Light Programme's output was light music, compared to 'pop'.
That's what really happened.
My memories of 'light music' was mainly: >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sing_Something_Simple
I turned the radio off when that came on!
On 9 Feb 2024 09:43:56 GMT, "Ashley Booth" <removetab@snglinks.com>
wrote:
Liz Tuddenham wrote:
Richard Tobin <richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
In article
<1qokkoi.1negrb8perhngN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>, Liz
Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
As very little of that has survived on records and the BBC has no
light orchestras any more, it will be interesting to hear how
they plan to revive it -- or will they just rewrite history to
suit their preconceived ideas?
If they can't play that music because it wasn't recorded, I don't
see why you think not playing it would be "to suit their
preconceived ideas".
Compared with the amount that was broadcast live, very little has
survived on record and the immense popularity it enjoyed has been
ignored. The BBC has attempted to re-write history by abolishing the
term "Light Music" and, as far as recent generations are concerned,
they have succeeded. The modern preconceived ideas are based on what
the BBC tells people happened, not on what actually happened.
Look back at copies of the Radio Times from the 1950s and see how much
of the Light Programme's output was light music, compared to 'pop'.
That's what really happened.
My memories of 'light music' was mainly: >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sing_Something_Simple
I turned the radio off when that came on!
The deal in our house was that we were allowed to listen to Pick of
the Pops (Alan Freeman) in return for my dad listening to Sing
Something Simple.
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On 9 Feb 2024 09:43:56 GMT, "Ashley Booth" <removetab@snglinks.com>
wrote:
Liz Tuddenham wrote:
Richard Tobin <richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
In article
<1qokkoi.1negrb8perhngN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>, Liz
Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
As very little of that has survived on records and the BBC has no
light orchestras any more, it will be interesting to hear how
they plan to revive it -- or will they just rewrite history to
suit their preconceived ideas?
If they can't play that music because it wasn't recorded, I don't
see why you think not playing it would be "to suit their
preconceived ideas".
Compared with the amount that was broadcast live, very little has
survived on record and the immense popularity it enjoyed has been
ignored. The BBC has attempted to re-write history by abolishing the
term "Light Music" and, as far as recent generations are concerned,
they have succeeded. The modern preconceived ideas are based on what
the BBC tells people happened, not on what actually happened.
Look back at copies of the Radio Times from the 1950s and see how
much of the Light Programme's output was light music, compared to
'pop'. That's what really happened.
My memories of 'light music' was mainly: >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sing_Something_Simple
I turned the radio off when that came on!
The deal in our house was that we were allowed to listen to Pick of
the Pops (Alan Freeman) in return for my dad listening to Sing
Something Simple.
That would have been in the 1960s, when the change was under way. The
BBC is claiming that the new channel will play popular music from the
1950s, but I suspect they don't even know what that was.
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On 9 Feb 2024 09:43:56 GMT, "Ashley Booth" <removetab@snglinks.com>
wrote:
Liz Tuddenham wrote:
Richard Tobin <richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
In article
<1qokkoi.1negrb8perhngN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>, Liz
Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
As very little of that has survived on records and the BBC has no
light orchestras any more, it will be interesting to hear how
they plan to revive it -- or will they just rewrite history to
suit their preconceived ideas?
If they can't play that music because it wasn't recorded, I don't
see why you think not playing it would be "to suit their
preconceived ideas".
Compared with the amount that was broadcast live, very little has
survived on record and the immense popularity it enjoyed has been
ignored. The BBC has attempted to re-write history by abolishing the
term "Light Music" and, as far as recent generations are concerned,
they have succeeded. The modern preconceived ideas are based on what
the BBC tells people happened, not on what actually happened.
Look back at copies of the Radio Times from the 1950s and see how much
of the Light Programme's output was light music, compared to 'pop'.
That's what really happened.
My memories of 'light music' was mainly:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sing_Something_Simple
I turned the radio off when that came on!
The deal in our house was that we were allowed to listen to Pick of
the Pops (Alan Freeman) in return for my dad listening to Sing
Something Simple.
That would have been in the 1960s, when the change was under way. The
BBC is claiming that the new channel will play popular music from the
1950s, but I suspect they don't even know what that was.
On Thu 08/02/2024 11:15, charles wrote:
In article <1qolqqr.10djtmoyxt6gwN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>,
   Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
On 07/02/2024 18:09, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
As very little of that has survived on records and the BBC has no
light
orchestras any more, it will be interesting to hear how they plan to >>>>> revive it -- or will they just rewrite history to suit their
preconceived ideas?
There could be a lot in BBC Sound Archive.
Popular music shows were rarely recorded and kept. With orchestras on
hand, the performances were often live and recordings for repeats were
destroyed after transmission because of copyright restrictions (they
were 'deemed' not to exist).
There are commercial recordings of music from that era, but the
repertoire is fairly limited. It was much more common for a popular
tune to be played by many different orchestras, each with their own
distinctive style, so the BBC could broadcast considerable variety with
only a small repertoire of tunes. A commercial recording represented a >>> significant investment for a record company, so they would only record
one version of the tune (or at most two) by whichever orchestra they
already had under contract, that they thought was best suited to it.
A significant proportion of the early editions of the BBC training
handbook "The Technique of the Sound Studio" by Alec Nisbett and BBC
training notes for Studio Managers is given over to microphone placement >>> for recording solo instruments, small combinations of instruments and
light orchestras for popular music. It was a normal bread-and-butter
thing to book a studio, a small band or orchestra, a soloist and an
announcer* to produce a 'live' half-hour light music programme; very
rarely was there any need to record one.
The best source of recordings would be transcription discs for
distribution to overseas transmitting staions and military bases, but
there were often destroyed after they had served their purpose. A lot
of the surviving ones are in bad condition and the equipment to play
them properly is very specialised because they were not recorded to RIAA >>> standards. A lot of American material of this type has survived, but
relatively little British.
*...and of course, a Studio Engineer, but nobody was concerned about
them.
Last year, I managed to buy a couple of CDs which have been made of
recordings of the BBC Scottish Variety and Scottish Radio Orchestras.
A few years (decades?) ago I got some CDs from the US of things like
Beyond Our Ken/Round The Horne and The Navy Lark. Some seem to be of
original quality but a couple had obviously been recorded off AM radio!
Still good listening nonetheless - they don't make clever and really
funny programs like that any more!
"Hello, I'm Julian and this is my friend Sandy - ooh, its Mr Horne isn't
it?"
In message <4sdasitkm1haqmbuguv1sbcr1lq4p8729d@4ax.com> at Thu, 8 Feb
2024 20:20:38, Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> writes
On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 11:47:43 +0000, Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com>[]
wrote:
A few years (decades?) ago I got some CDs from the US of things like >>>Beyond Our Ken/Round The Horne and The Navy Lark. Some seem to be of
"Left hand down a teensey weasey bit Chief"
"Left hand down a teensey weasey bit it is Sir."
Bona!
Rod.
He still has his commission: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tefY7S7J9T4
the guy who did the Latin stuff, whose name escapes me.
I think one of the channels should be called after the watershed and be a mixture of phone in and guests from all the different sexual orientations
and fetishes, You could even have the erotic novel hour. grin. Note BBC Sussex used to have a program called after the watershed much like this.
A few years (decades?) ago I got some CDs from the US of things like
Beyond Our Ken/Round The Horne and The Navy Lark. Some seem to be of original quality but a couple had obviously been recorded off AM radio! Still good listening nonetheless - they don't make clever and really
funny programs like that any more!
"Hello, I'm Julian and this is my friend Sandy - ooh, its Mr Horne isn't it?"
"Most of our time is taken up with a criminal practice," (when they were posing as lawyers).
Apparently "cottage upright" has an alternative meaning to a type of piano.
(It's not clear how much of their"polari" is genuine.)
On 07/02/2024 18:09, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
I see one of the proposed new BBC radio stations (channels?) intendsWhat I heard suggests that the new stations will, basically, be on the
broadcasting popular music from the 1950, '60s and '70s. From the
interviews I have heard so far, it appears that they don't realise that
by far the most popular music in the 1950s was light orchestral and
nothing like the 'pop' music of the '60s.
As very little of that has survived on records and the BBC has no light
orchestras any more, it will be interesting to hear how they plan to
revive it -- or will they just rewrite history to suit their
preconceived ideas?
same pattern as many of the commercial stations. The "new" radio 3
sounds remarkably like Classic FM for instance.
As the BBC claim to be too strapped for cash as it is, where is the
money to run these extra stations coming from?
I think what is meant is that many of those who are talking about all this >were not even born back then. Jimmy Young for example was a big band singer, >indeed he recorded for Polidor. So on the earlier incarnations of his show, >he would sing in front of a bbc orchestra. Very few actual records were >played.
Even if it is very little money, the message to the BBC's opponents
will be that it is overfunded.
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