I can't get FreeView 69 on my older telly; I assumed that was, like the
other channel (two if you count the god one) I can't get on it, because
it is on the T2 ("HD") multiplex, "BBC B".
So I looked at <https://www.freeview.co.uk/corporate/platform-management/channel-listing s-industry-professionals>, to see if I was right. That has a column
headed Mux, and sure enough, all the usual suspects are there - BBC A,
D3&4, ARQ A, ARQ B, SDN, and BBC B. And sure enough, 5SELECT (46) and
TBN UK (66) are on BBC B, along with the HD versions of BBC ONE, BBC
TWO, ITV1, Channel 4, Channel 5, BBC FOUR, and BBC THREE (101-107).
But there also appears to be a mux called Local, which has 7, 8, 69, and 206-208. (There are also muxes called G-MAN and NI mux, though the
latter is obviously just for NI.)
Is this a seventh multiplex (not on Heathfield or any of my other local transmitters), or does it just mean that which mux those channels are on varies by location? If the latter, where do I find out? (same for G-MAN)
On 01/02/2024 14:54, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
I can't get FreeView 69 on my older telly; I assumed that was, like
the other channel (two if you count the god one) I can't get on it,
because it is on the T2 ("HD") multiplex, "BBC B".
So I looked at
<https://www.freeview.co.uk/corporate/platform-management/channel-listing
s-industry-professionals>, to see if I was right. That has a column
headed Mux, and sure enough, all the usual suspects are there - BBC A,
D3&4, ARQ A, ARQ B, SDN, and BBC B. And sure enough, 5SELECT (46) and
TBN UK (66) are on BBC B, along with the HD versions of BBC ONE, BBC
TWO, ITV1, Channel 4, Channel 5, BBC FOUR, and BBC THREE (101-107).
But there also appears to be a mux called Local, which has 7, 8, 69,
and 206-208. (There are also muxes called G-MAN and NI mux, though the
latter is obviously just for NI.)
Is this a seventh multiplex (not on Heathfield or any of my other
local transmitters), or does it just mean that which mux those
channels are on varies by location? If the latter, where do I find
out? (same for G-MAN)
It is an additional MUX carried by some transmitters and with a
low-powered, narrow angle beam that only serves a large town/city.
York has/had one from a transmitter which is close to York on the
south-west side so it appears to be on the same bearing as Emley Moor
which serves York, so customers with an Emley-facing aerial will pick up
most of they muxes from EM and the Local one from the York transmitter.
On Thu 01/02/2024 15:56, NY wrote:[]
On 01/02/2024 14:54, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
I can't get FreeView 69 on my older telly; I assumed that was, like
the other channel (two if you count the god one) I can't get on it, >>>because it is on the T2 ("HD") multiplex, "BBC B".
But there also appears to be a mux called Local, which has 7, 8, 69,It is an additional MUX carried by some transmitters and with a >>low-powered, narrow angle beam that only serves a large town/city.
and 206-208. (There are also muxes called G-MAN and NI mux, though
the latter is obviously just for NI.)
Is this a seventh multiplex (not on Heathfield or any of my other
local transmitters), or does it just mean that which mux those
channels are on varies by location? If the latter, where do I find
out? (same for G-MAN)
York has/had one from a transmitter which is close to York on the >>south-west side so it appears to be on the same bearing as Emley Moor
which serves York, so customers with an Emley-facing aerial will pick
up most of they muxes from EM and the Local one from the York transmitter.
York TV or analogue days was on the water tower at Askham Bryan beside
the junc of the A1237 and the A64. The structure but is no longer used.
The original proposal was to radiate York TV from Bilsdale - no-one
darn sarf who makes these decisions seemed to be aware that pretty well
all of the residents or York use Emley. Suddenly someone shook their
cage and the decision was made to place the transmitter in line with
Emley but using the existing kit would be far too easy, so instead they
put it on the cellular mast on the slightly elevated land just NE of >Bilbrough Behind what used to be called Buckles Inn on the A64.
Mind you Leeds TV is a bit of a waste of time IMO as it has some local
news at certain times but otherwise rebroadcasts Talk TV which is there
24/7 on 237!
In message <upgfg5$24lbg$1@dont-email.me> at Thu, 1 Feb 2024 16:05:23,
Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> writes
On Thu 01/02/2024 15:56, NY wrote:[]
On 01/02/2024 14:54, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
I can't get FreeView 69 on my older telly; I assumed that was, like
the other channel (two if you count the god one) I can't get on it,
because it is on the T2 ("HD") multiplex, "BBC B".
But there also appears to be a mux called Local, which has 7, 8, 69,It is an additional MUX carried by some transmitters and with a
and 206-208. (There are also muxes called G-MAN and NI mux, though
the latter is obviously just for NI.)
Is this a seventh multiplex (not on Heathfield or any of my other
local transmitters), or does it just mean that which mux those
channels are on varies by location? If the latter, where do I find
out? (same for G-MAN)
low-powered, narrow angle beam that only serves a large town/city.
Ah, thanks - so it really is a seventh multiplex, just available in only
some places. Seems odd some national channels - 69 and 206-'8 - are on
it too; I suppose it's just that it has the spare capacity, so they
might as well.
York has/had one from a transmitter which is close to York on the
south-west side so it appears to be on the same bearing as Emley Moor
which serves York, so customers with an Emley-facing aerial will pick
up most of they muxes from EM and the Local one from the York
transmitter.
Makes sense.
York TV or analogue days was on the water tower at Askham Bryan beside
the junc of the A1237 and the A64. The structure but is no longer used.
The original proposal was to radiate York TV from Bilsdale - no-one
darn sarf who makes these decisions seemed to be aware that pretty
well all of the residents or York use Emley. Suddenly someone shook
their cage and the decision was made to place the transmitter in line
with Emley but using the existing kit would be far too easy, so
instead they put it on the cellular mast on the slightly elevated land
just NE of Bilbrough Behind what used to be called Buckles Inn on the
A64.
The advent of digital multiplexes - both TV and radio - has made truly
local services a lot more difficult; not that it should have, but administratively it has.
On 01/02/2024 19:24, Woody wrote:
Mind you Leeds TV is a bit of a waste of time IMO as it has some localWe get the same problem with Talk Birmingham on Freeview channel 7.
news at certain times but otherwise rebroadcasts Talk TV which is there
24/7 on 237!
There seems to be only about four hours of local coverage a day. which
all seems to be presented by refugees from the local media studies courses.
On 01/02/2024 19:24, Woody wrote:
Mind you Leeds TV is a bit of a waste of time IMO as it has some localWe get the same problem with Talk Birmingham on Freeview channel 7.
news at certain times but otherwise rebroadcasts Talk TV which is there
24/7 on 237!
There seems to be only about four hours of local coverage a day. which
all seems to be presented by refugees from the local media studies courses.
Ah, thanks - so it really is a seventh multiplex, just available in only
some places. Seems odd some national channels - 69 and 206-'8 - are on
it too; I suppose it's just that it has the spare capacity, so they
might as well.
Some of the programmes were excellent: there was a series called Wild presented by a naturalist called Sasha Norris
On 01/02/2024 18:22, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
Ah, thanks - so it really is a seventh multiplex, just available in only
some places. Seems odd some national channels - 69 and 206-'8 - are on
it too; I suppose it's just that it has the spare capacity, so they
might as well.
The local element has evolved into a trojan horse scheme to establish a
7th quasi national mux. The national services actually make money,
unlike the dire lip service local ones, or in the case of the London
mux, London Live is more or less just a repeats channel (like ITV 3 etc)
On 01/02/2024 18:22, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
Ah, thanks - so it really is a seventh multiplex, just available in
only some places. Seems odd some national channels - 69 and 206-'8 -
are on it too; I suppose it's just that it has the spare capacity, so
they might as well.
The local element has evolved into a trojan horse scheme to establish a
7th quasi national mux. The national services actually make money,
unlike the dire lip service local ones, or in the case of the London
mux, London Live is more or less just a repeats channel (like ITV 3 etc)
NY wrote:
Some of the programmes were excellent: there was a series called Wild
presented by a naturalist called Sasha Norris
Zoologist, Broadcaster, Trans-species; half-wolf.
"Trans-species; half-wolf" - now that raises a lot of intriguing
questions... Hopefully she's not of the "were" variety! I see that one
of her episodes of Wild was about wolves. Maybe if I had
Twitter/X access it would become clearer.
"Andy Burns" <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote in message news:l23ov9Fo4i6U3@mid.individual.net...
NY wrote:
Some of the programmes were excellent: there was a series called Wild
presented by a naturalist called Sasha Norris
Zoologist, Broadcaster, Trans-species; half-wolf.
"Trans-species; half-wolf" - now that raises a lot of intriguing
questions... Hopefully she's not of the "were" variety! I see that one of
her episodes of Wild was about wolves. Maybe if I had
Twitter/X access it would become clearer.
On 01/02/2024 18:22, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
Ah, thanks - so it really is a seventh multiplex, just available in
only some places. Seems odd some national channels - 69 and 206-'8 -
are on it too; I suppose it's just that it has the spare capacity, so
they might as well.
The local element has evolved into a trojan horse scheme to establish a
7th quasi national mux. The national services actually make money,
unlike the dire lip service local ones, or in the case of the London
mux, London Live is more or less just a repeats channel (like ITV 3 etc)
In message <l23ooaFojb7U1@mid.individual.net> at Fri, 2 Feb 2024
08:51:20, Mark Carver <mark@invalid.com> writes
On 01/02/2024 18:22, J. P. Gilliver wrote:What sort of coverage has it - either population or area?
Ah, thanks - so it really is a seventh multiplex, just available in
only some places. Seems odd some national channels - 69 and 206-'8 -
are on it too; I suppose it's just that it has the spare capacity,
so they might as well.
The local element has evolved into a trojan horse scheme to establish
a 7th quasi national mux. The national services actually make money,
unlike the dire lip service local ones, or in the case of the London
mux, London Live is more or less just a repeats channel (like ITV 3 etc)
On 02/02/2024 15:51, J. P. Gilliver wrote:[]
[]On 01/02/2024 18:22, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
Ah, thanks - so it really is a seventh multiplex, just available in
What sort of coverage has it - either population or area?
About 70% UK population coverage, frequencies and site choices are
driven by what is technically feasible, not what's necessarily
desirable, so in east and SE England, not much, owing to our near
neighbours
Here's a list of sites etc
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0029/98093/MUX-L-BA-Atta >chment-to-Variation.PDF
On 01/02/2024 19:24, Woody wrote:
Mind you Leeds TV is a bit of a waste of time IMO as it has some localWe get the same problem with Talk Birmingham on Freeview channel 7.
news at certain times but otherwise rebroadcasts Talk TV which is there
24/7 on 237!
There seems to be only about four hours of local coverage a day. which
all seems to be presented by refugees from the local media studies courses.
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