On 23/11/2023 11:18, Scott wrote:

Has the BBC stopped broadcasting Radio 5 Live (Nicky Campbell) on the
BBC News channel and BBC Two? This seemed to me a totally pointless exercise.

Not on this week, but it's back in the guide from Monday next week

Can't say I'm a fan of it

James

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Has the BBC stopped broadcasting Radio 5 Live (Nicky Campbell) on the
BBC News channel and BBC Two? This seemed to me a totally pointless
exercise.

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On 23/11/2023 11:18, Scott wrote:

Has the BBC stopped broadcasting Radio 5 Live (Nicky Campbell) on the
BBC News channel and BBC Two? This seemed to me a totally pointless exercise.

Never watched it but why is it pointless?

Just a way of keeping costs down which has to be done because of
reductions in the BBC's income.

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On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 13:08:29 +0000, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:

On 23/11/2023 11:18, Scott wrote:

Has the BBC stopped broadcasting Radio 5 Live (Nicky Campbell) on the
BBC News channel and BBC Two? This seemed to me a totally pointless
exercise.

Never watched it but why is it pointless?

Because it is already available on '705'.

Just a way of keeping costs down which has to be done because of
reductions in the BBC's income.

There is no doubt that is the reason - same as merging BBC News with
BBC World News. I wonder if Nicky Campbell goes out on World News. If
not, I assume the BBC's other low cost-alternative would be to
broadcast the World stream all day.

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On 23/11/2023 13:37, Scott wrote:

Because it is already available on '705'.

So what, does not use any more power.

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On Thu 23/11/2023 21:39, JMB99 wrote:

On 23/11/2023 13:37, Scott wrote:

Because it is already available on '705'.

So what, does not use any more power.

Sound only, no picture maybe?

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JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:

On 23/11/2023 11:18, Scott wrote:

Has the BBC stopped broadcasting Radio 5 Live (Nicky Campbell) on the
BBC News channel and BBC Two? This seemed to me a totally pointless exercise.

Never watched it but why is it pointless?

A lot of businesses like pubs, airports, etc have BBC News on a big screen
with subtitles on and the sound off. Normally you can watch the news
reports quite adequately like that, with the pictures telling most of the
story and the live news ticker going.

For this we get to see a picture of Nicky sitting still with his mouth
moving silently and a big microphone up his nose, and then the live
subtitler struggling to keep up, as they always do.

I had to suffer that while waiting at the dealer to fix my car, and it was
just awful to be subjected to it on a 6 foot high screen that was very hard
to ignore.

Theo

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In message <Vsx*Gzcwz@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk> at Fri, 24 Nov 2023 12:39:31, Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> writes

JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:

On 23/11/2023 11:18, Scott wrote:

Has the BBC stopped broadcasting Radio 5 Live (Nicky Campbell) on the
BBC News channel and BBC Two? This seemed to me a totally pointless
exercise.

Never watched it but why is it pointless?

A lot of businesses like pubs, airports, etc have BBC News on a big screen >with subtitles on and the sound off. Normally you can watch the news
reports quite adequately like that, with the pictures telling most of the >story and the live news ticker going.

[]
With the subtitle default position still where it was set up when
subtitling first really got going about forty years ago. Which does
_not_ suit today's screen layout, especially the news channel.

(They've moved the default position for weather and for headlines; why
they can't do so for all other programming is beyond me.)
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J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"The great tragedy of science, the slaying of a beautiful theory by an ugly fact. - Thomas Henry Huxley

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On 24/11/2023 19:05, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

In message <Vsx*Gzcwz@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk> at Fri, 24 Nov 2023 12:39:31, Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> writes

JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:

On 23/11/2023 11:18, Scott wrote:

Has the BBC stopped broadcasting Radio 5 Live (Nicky Campbell) on the
BBC News channel and BBC Two?  This seemed to me a totally pointless
exercise.

Never watched it but why is it pointless?

A lot of businesses like pubs, airports, etc have BBC News on a big
screen
with subtitles on and the sound off.  Normally you can watch the news
reports quite adequately like that, with the pictures telling most of the
story and the live news ticker going.

[]
With the subtitle default position still where it was set up when
subtitling first really got going about forty years ago. Which does
_not_ suit today's screen layout, especially the news channel.

(They've moved the default position for weather and for headlines; why
they can't do so for all other programming is beyond me.)

I think subtitles can be placed anywhere on the screen. This certainly
applied to the original teletext variety.

--
Max Demian

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On 25/11/2023 12:14, Max Demian wrote:

I think subtitles can be placed anywhere on the screen. This certainly applied to the original teletext variety.

Computers are involved so the decision of where to put the subtitles and
the their size is one made by the programme originator. The computer
only does what it is told to do.

Programme makers do, though, have to follow the broadcasters' guidelines.

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Tciao for Now!

John.

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In message <kse8raFivjtU1@mid.individual.net> at Sat, 25 Nov 2023
12:49:46, John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> writes

On 25/11/2023 12:14, Max Demian wrote:

I think subtitles can be placed anywhere on the screen. This certainly
applied to the original teletext variety.

Computers are involved so the decision of where to put the subtitles
and the their size is one made by the programme originator. The
computer only does what it is told to do.

Programme makers do, though, have to follow the broadcasters' guidelines.

And if no such guidelines are given, the default is where it always was
- which is no longer appropriate for today's screen layout, especially
on news channels. It's the _default_ I want changed.
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J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"Flobalob" actually means "Flowerpot" in Oddle-Poddle.

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In message <ujsofp$2pqd8$3@dont-email.me> at Sat, 25 Nov 2023 12:14:50,
Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> writes

On 24/11/2023 19:05, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

[]

With the subtitle default position still where it was set up when >>subtitling first really got going about forty years ago. Which does
_not_ suit today's screen layout, especially the news channel.
(They've moved the default position for weather and for headlines;
why they can't do so for all other programming is beyond me.)

I think subtitles can be placed anywhere on the screen. This certainly >applied to the original teletext variety.

I'm sure they can - but not under _viewer_ control, only the people who generate them. That was - and is - my point: they still _default_ to
across the bottom (or near it). (Actually, I think the old sort _could_
be moved about as they were just a teletext page, on which - on some
sets, and the BBC Micro adapter - you could view just the top or bottom
half of a page, at double height. But not on DTV, I don't think.)
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J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"Flobalob" actually means "Flowerpot" in Oddle-Poddle.

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On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 11:56:21 -0000, "Brian Gaff"
<brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:

Maybe they are trying to do what Talk radio is doing and making the talk TV >and Talk radio the same show. I have noticed recently that Talk Radio/TV >sound is pretty gritty and sounding like a half bit rat DAB station at
times.

Of course it is all cost driven but I wonder if this represents a good
option. Normally they show BBC World and I don't expect Nicky Campbell
goes on on World but maybe he does.

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