Is it even possible for a mux to include T2 and T1 channels, or are they mutually exclusive?
J. P. Gilliver wrote:
Is it even possible for a mux to include T2 and T1 channels, or are
they mutually exclusive?
A mux is either entirely -T1 or entirely -T2, the channels within them
can be HD,SD,radio,mheg etc.
A T1 receiver will simply not 'see' a T2 mux (as JPG has discovered)
On 17/11/2023 11:44, Scott wrote:
When I stayed recently at a Premier Inn (in Salford), BBC One HD had
no sound but the other HD channels did. BBC One SD had sound.
I often find on my TV set (Panasonic) that some channels (always the
same ones I think, not all of them) will have no sound. I go up a
channel then back down and all OK.
Presumably a 'feature' of my TV set,
When I stayed recently at a Premier Inn (in Salford), BBC One HD had
no sound but the other HD channels did. BBC One SD had sound.
On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 10:35:37 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:
Mark Carver wrote:When I stayed recently at a Premier Inn (in Salford), BBC One HD had
A T1 receiver will simply not 'see' a T2 mux (as JPG has discovered)
Slightly confusing that he says one receiver is
"getting a channel the other wasn't"
rather than getting a whole extra mux worth of channels ...
no sound but the other HD channels did. BBC One SD had sound.
Mark Carver wrote:
A T1 receiver will simply not 'see' a T2 mux (as JPG has discovered)
Slightly confusing that he says one receiver is
"getting a channel the other wasn't"
rather than getting a whole extra mux worth of channels ...
On 17/11/2023 11:44, Scott wrote:
When I stayed recently at a Premier Inn (in Salford), BBC One HD had
no sound but the other HD channels did. BBC One SD had sound.
I often find on my TV set (Panasonic) that some channels (always the
same ones I think, not all of them) will have no sound. I go up a
channel then back down and all OK.
Presumably a 'feature' of my TV set,
Mark Carver wrote:
A T1 receiver will simply not 'see' a T2 mux (as JPG has discovered)
Slightly confusing that he says one receiver is
"getting a channel the other wasn't"
rather than getting a whole extra mux worth of channels ...
In message <krotvpF40d3U8@mid.individual.net> at Fri, 17 Nov 2023
10:35:37, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> writes
Mark Carver wrote:
A T1 receiver will simply not 'see' a T2 mux (as JPG has discovered)
Indeed.
I hadn't realised. On looking at the list, I see that that mux only
Slightly confusing that he says one receiver is
"getting a channel the other wasn't"
rather than getting a whole extra mux worth of channels ...
carries (TV anyway) HD channels and 46 and 66; since 66 is a god-bothering channel, I'd not have looked at it anyway: nor usually 46 (5SELECT), but there was one prog. that looked as if it might have been interesting.
So, basically, we _are_ still getting some SD channels on T2 - but only
those two. I had assumed that stopped when Talking Pictures TV managed to
get a T1 slot, presumably desired by them because a lot of their target audience only have T1 receivers; I _think_ they were the only SD-on-T2 at that point.
If you are getting the sub-SD channels but not the HD channels on PSB3,
then your TV is capable of receiving T2 but for some reason gets a very
poor signal quality despite strong signal. Silly question: have you
tried the affected TV on the aerial output that normally drives the TV
that can get HD - to rule out one feed from your splitter being
corrupted while the other isn't?
On 17/11/2023 15:50, NY wrote:
If you are getting the sub-SD channels but not the HD channels on
PSB3, then your TV is capable of receiving T2 but for some reason
gets a very poor signal quality despite strong signal. Silly
question: have you tried the affected TV on the aerial output that >>normally drives the TV that can get HD - to rule out one feed from
your splitter being corrupted while the other isn't?
It won't be any weird RF effect.
I've downloaded the manual, it seems to date from 2010 ish, and the
manual only talks about a T1 tuner.
The OP must have a later version that has a T2 tuner (possibly
half-arsely implemented), but the screen resolution is quoted as only
1366 x 768
I actually wonder if it can support 1920 x 1080 (in order to downscale
for display) So, it may well simply ignore anything it finds at 'HD' >resolutions.
What happens if you force a 1920 x 1080 signal via the HDMI input ?
On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 11:52:45 +0000, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
On 17/11/2023 11:44, Scott wrote:
When I stayed recently at a Premier Inn (in Salford), BBC One HD had
no sound but the other HD channels did. BBC One SD had sound.
I often find on my TV set (Panasonic) that some channels (always the
same ones I think, not all of them) will have no sound. I go up a
channel then back down and all OK.
Presumably a 'feature' of my TV set,
I wondered if it could have anything to do with the English regional
stations becoming available on HD. Was a rescan recommended for this?
I assume Premier has some sort of distribution system.
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 11:52:45 +0000, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:I had the same problem in the Premier Inn I stayed at recently. A re-tune >fixed it and got all the channels up to date.
On 17/11/2023 11:44, Scott wrote:
When I stayed recently at a Premier Inn (in Salford), BBC One HD had
no sound but the other HD channels did. BBC One SD had sound.
I often find on my TV set (Panasonic) that some channels (always the
same ones I think, not all of them) will have no sound. I go up a
channel then back down and all OK.
Presumably a 'feature' of my TV set,
I wondered if it could have anything to do with the English regional
stations becoming available on HD. Was a rescan recommended for this?
I assume Premier has some sort of distribution system.
They dont have a re-modulation system if thats what youre thinking.
ISTR that there was something odd about the way the BBC1 HD changeover was >done - PID wise.
Dave
On 17 Nov 2023 17:48:18 GMT, Dave Hill
<nospam@hillcroft.org.uk.invalid> wrote:
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 11:52:45 +0000, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:I had the same problem in the Premier Inn I stayed at recently. A re-tune
On 17/11/2023 11:44, Scott wrote:
When I stayed recently at a Premier Inn (in Salford), BBC One HD had >>>>> no sound but the other HD channels did. BBC One SD had sound.
I often find on my TV set (Panasonic) that some channels (always the
same ones I think, not all of them) will have no sound. I go up a
channel then back down and all OK.
Presumably a 'feature' of my TV set,
I wondered if it could have anything to do with the English regional
stations becoming available on HD. Was a rescan recommended for this?
I assume Premier has some sort of distribution system.
fixed it and got all the channels up to date.
I tried that but IIRC the option was blocked for guests.
The OP must have a later version that has a T2 tuner (possibly
half-arsely implemented), but the screen resolution is quoted as only
1366 x 768
No, I'm pretty certain it's T1 only. The processor is severely limited:
when I bring up the full (not just now/next) EPG, the audio is muted; if
I watch true 4:3 material (transmitted with the flag, rather than actual transmitted sidebars) and turn on the subtitles, the picture fills the
screen (i. e. distorted).
When I stayed recently at a Premier Inn (in Salford), BBC One HD had
no sound but the other HD channels did. BBC One SD had sound.
On 17/11/2023 18:02, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
The OP must have a later version that has a T2 tuner (possibly >>>half-arsely implemented), but the screen resolution is quoted as only >>>1366 x 768No, I'm pretty certain it's T1 only. The processor is severely
limited: when I bring up the full (not just now/next) EPG, the audio
is muted; if I watch true 4:3 material (transmitted with the flag,
rather than actual transmitted sidebars) and turn on the subtitles,
the picture fills the screen (i. e. distorted).
Interesting that it is able to decode the sub-SD channels. If it was
T1-only, I'd expect it to ignore that mux altogether.
The TV/remote control was of course disabled from allowing punters to do it themselves.
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On 17 Nov 2023 17:48:18 GMT, Dave Hill
<nospam@hillcroft.org.uk.invalid> wrote:
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 11:52:45 +0000, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:I had the same problem in the Premier Inn I stayed at recently. A re-tune >>> fixed it and got all the channels up to date.
On 17/11/2023 11:44, Scott wrote:
When I stayed recently at a Premier Inn (in Salford), BBC One HD had >>>>>> no sound but the other HD channels did. BBC One SD had sound.
I often find on my TV set (Panasonic) that some channels (always the >>>>> same ones I think, not all of them) will have no sound. I go up a
channel then back down and all OK.
Presumably a 'feature' of my TV set,
I wondered if it could have anything to do with the English regional
stations becoming available on HD. Was a rescan recommended for this?
I assume Premier has some sort of distribution system.
I tried that but IIRC the option was blocked for guests.
Search for Samsung tv hotel mode.
On 18/11/2023 00:30, Paul Ratcliffe wrote:
The TV/remote control was of course disabled from allowing punters to
do it
themselves.
One thought, not sure but they might be able to tell that someone has
been using the maintenance mode to change settings. If someone
complains about the TV set and they find that then they might bill the
person who did it (which they can find from who had the room at that
time) with the cost of correcting it - that would probably be expensive.
Rather like if you smoke a cigarette in the room then you can be billed
for the full cost of a 'deep clean' and loss of revenue whilst room not available.
On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 11:44:08 +0000, Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
When I stayed recently at a Premier Inn (in Salford), BBC One HD had
no sound but the other HD channels did. BBC One SD had sound.
When I stayed recenty at a Premier Inn (in Evesham), BBC One HD didn't work at all (due to the regionalisation earlier this year). Nor did a load of other
services. From looking at the names and LCNs of the things in its list, it was
clear it didn't auto update, nor had it been manually tuned in over 3 years. The TV/remote control was of course disabled from allowing punters to do it themselves.
Mrs C forbid me from having a rant about it to Reception
(I was still temped to sneak down to reception while she was having a bath )
Some of the channels also appear blank but when you play with some of the >modes on some tvs, you often find that they connect to the internet for >really boring things like an Arabic channel, or radio stations like
Caroline, most of the radio feeds sound awful and compressed to within an >inch of their lives. These seem not to be very well advertised, but the god >channel is and its output is very much as you would expect. Happy clappy or >US preacher led.
Brian
Is it not down to the older chipset then?
I am pretty sure that the Goodmans Smart talk box only gets sd that are on
sd multiplexes as there are channels missing which appear on the Samsung TV.
In message <uk9s10$1bdq1$1@dont-email.me> at Thu, 30 Nov 2023 11:34:53,
Brian Gaff <brian1gaff@gmail.com> writes
Is it not down to the older chipset then?
Yes, it turned out to be the decoder; the multiplex in question (BBC B,
IIRR) is a T2.
I am pretty sure that the Goodmans Smart talk box only gets sd that are on >>sd multiplexes as there are channels missing which appear on the Samsung TV.
Yes, that multiplex includes two SD channels (46 and 66), but a T1
decoder won't see them, even though they are SD.
On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 13:25:02 +0000, J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
In message <uk9s10$1bdq1$1@dont-email.me> at Thu, 30 Nov 2023 11:34:53,
Brian Gaff <brian1gaff@gmail.com> writes
Is it not down to the older chipset then?
Yes, it turned out to be the decoder; the multiplex in question (BBC B,
IIRR) is a T2.
I am pretty sure that the Goodmans Smart talk box only gets sd that are on >>> sd multiplexes as there are channels missing which appear on the Samsung TV.
Yes, that multiplex includes two SD channels (46 and 66), but a T1
decoder won't see them, even though they are SD.
There is no such thing as an SD multiplex, as wittering Gaff is
going on about. Nor an HD multiplex.
There are T and T2 multiplexes. That is it. What goes on them is
a different matter entirely.
On 01/12/2023 13:56, Paul Ratcliffe wrote:
On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 13:25:02 +0000, J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote: >>
In message <uk9s10$1bdq1$1@dont-email.me> at Thu, 30 Nov 2023There is no such thing as an SD multiplex, as wittering Gaff is
11:34:53,
Brian Gaff <brian1gaff@gmail.com> writes
Is it not down to the older chipset then?
Yes, it turned out to be the decoder; the multiplex in question (BBC B,
IIRR) is a T2.
I am pretty sure that the Goodmans Smart talk box only gets sd that are on >>>> sd multiplexes as there are channels missing which appear on the >>>>Samsung TV.
Yes, that multiplex includes two SD channels (46 and 66), but a T1
decoder won't see them, even though they are SD.
going on about. Nor an HD multiplex.
There are T and T2 multiplexes. That is it. What goes on them is
a different matter entirely.
It something that is the root of the confusion that lead to this thread
being started in the first place !
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