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    From John Williamson@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 14 19:02:23 2023
    Pick is moving to Freeview channel 11 from channel 36 and being renamed
    Sky Mix. Fair enough, that's their choice.

    At the same time, the current occupier of Freeview channel 11 is
    retaining its name of Sky Arts and moving to channel 36.

    It seems that both will be carrying the same programmes as they did
    before the change. Is there some logical or technical reason why they
    can't just rename channel 36 as Sky Mix and carry on using it?
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    John.

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  • From Paul Ratcliffe@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 14 20:56:24 2023
    On Sat, 14 Oct 2023 19:02:23 +0100, John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com>
    wrote:

    Pick is moving to Freeview channel 11 from channel 36 and being renamed
    Sky Mix. Fair enough, that's their choice.

    At the same time, the current occupier of Freeview channel 11 is
    retaining its name of Sky Arts and moving to channel 36.

    It seems that both will be carrying the same programmes as they did
    before the change. Is there some logical or technical reason why they
    can't just rename channel 36 as Sky Mix and carry on using it?

    Probably because the LCNs would be the wrong way round to how they want them. What I expect will happen is they'll swap the LCNs round whilst
    retaining the same service IDs, and then rename Pick to Sky Mix.

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to Paul Ratcliffe on Sun Oct 15 09:50:05 2023
    On 14/10/2023 21:56, Paul Ratcliffe wrote:
    On Sat, 14 Oct 2023 19:02:23 +0100, John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com>
    wrote:

    Pick is moving to Freeview channel 11 from channel 36 and being renamed
    Sky Mix. Fair enough, that's their choice.

    At the same time, the current occupier of Freeview channel 11 is
    retaining its name of Sky Arts and moving to channel 36.

    It seems that both will be carrying the same programmes as they did
    before the change. Is there some logical or technical reason why they
    can't just rename channel 36 as Sky Mix and carry on using it?

    Probably because the LCNs would be the wrong way round to how they want them. What I expect will happen is they'll swap the LCNs round whilst
    retaining the same service IDs, and then rename Pick to Sky Mix.

    There's also I think a rule (imposed by Freeview) that a channel can't
    move itself 'up' (up meaning a lower LCN) the EPG, it can only move down
    (As indeed Sky Arts are doing be going from 11 to 36)

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  • From John Williamson@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Sun Oct 15 09:52:30 2023
    On 15/10/2023 09:50, Mark Carver wrote:
    On 14/10/2023 21:56, Paul Ratcliffe wrote:

    There's also I think a rule (imposed by Freeview) that a channel can't
    move itself 'up' (up meaning a lower LCN) the EPG, it can only move down
    (As indeed Sky Arts are doing be going from 11 to 36)

    That could explain it.

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    John.

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to John Williamson on Sun Oct 15 11:42:28 2023
    On 14/10/2023 19:02, John Williamson wrote:

    Pick is moving to Freeview channel 11 from channel 36 and being renamed
    Sky Mix. Fair enough, that's their choice.

    At the same time, the current occupier of Freeview channel 11 is
    retaining its name of Sky Arts and moving to channel 36.

    It seems that both will be carrying the same programmes as they did
    before the change. Is there some logical or technical reason why they
    can't just rename channel 36 as Sky Mix and carry on using it?

    Presumably we won't have to retune provided we don't mind the stations
    being in the wrong places.

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    Max Demian

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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to John Williamson on Sun Oct 15 11:29:43 2023
    Who knows, maybe its some ploy to not have to abide by the number of hours
    of AD content.
    Its happened with a number of channels and I think new ones get a grace
    period to comply, then change their name again. To me the program creators should be factoring in AD when they budgetfor a show, as otherwise you get
    the current issues where some screenings on some channels have AD and some
    do not. So maybe Sky have a backlog of non AD stuff they want to legally put out.
    I think it stinks that the stations with nothing but distribution on main stations are able to opt out of AD at all. A fair number of the films shown
    on the film channels had AD, but its not broadcast, Did I mention Horror
    Extra, well that is just one of them.
    Brian

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    Pick is moving to Freeview channel 11 from channel 36 and being renamed
    Sky Mix. Fair enough, that's their choice.

    At the same time, the current occupier of Freeview channel 11 is retaining its name of Sky Arts and moving to channel 36.

    It seems that both will be carrying the same programmes as they did before the change. Is there some logical or technical reason why they can't just rename channel 36 as Sky Mix and carry on using it?
    --
    Tciao for Now!

    John.

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  • From J. P. Gilliver@21:1/5 to Brian Gaff on Sun Oct 15 13:20:19 2023
    In message <uggeuo$f0ap$1@dont-email.me> at Sun, 15 Oct 2023 11:29:43,
    Brian Gaff <brian1gaff@gmail.com> writes
    Who knows, maybe its some ploy to not have to abide by the number of hours
    of AD content.
    Its happened with a number of channels and I think new ones get a grace
    period to comply, then change their name again. To me the program creators >should be factoring in AD when they budgetfor a show, as otherwise you get >the current issues where some screenings on some channels have AD and some
    do not. So maybe Sky have a backlog of non AD stuff they want to legally put >out.
    I think it stinks that the stations with nothing but distribution on main
    stations are able to opt out of AD at all. A fair number of the films shown >on the film channels had AD, but its not broadcast, Did I mention Horror >Extra, well that is just one of them.
    Brian

    I'm still wondering if they'll ever apply the AD requirement to the
    adult channels! (What a boring job _that_ would be!)
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