• Alexa, play Heart.

    From Graham.@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 11 02:31:26 2023
    Isn't there some sort of rule about not deliberately triggering smart speakers, on mass, especially in the name of advertising as in this current "Heart" Radio campaign?
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  • From Roderick Stewart@21:1/5 to graham-usenet@mail.com on Wed Oct 11 07:41:35 2023
    On Wed, 11 Oct 2023 02:31:26 +0100 (GMT+01:00), "Graham. " <graham-usenet@mail.com> wrote:

    Isn't there some sort of rule about not deliberately triggering smart speakers, on mass, especially in the name of advertising as in this current "Heart" Radio campaign?

    If not, it can only be a matter of time. I'm just waiting till it
    occurs to somebody to bypass the current thoughtcrime laws by printing
    their chosen slogans (commercial, religious, ideological, political or whatever) in the form of QR codes on T-shirts. It'll be fascinating to
    see the inevitable debate about how 'offensive' something can be said
    to be in light of the amount of effort a would-be offendee has to go
    to in order to decode and understand it. We live in crazy times.

    Rod.

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  • From JMB99@21:1/5 to Graham. on Wed Oct 11 07:52:42 2023
    On 11/10/2023 02:31, Graham. wrote:
    Isn't there some sort of rule about not deliberately triggering smart speakers, on mass, especially in the name of advertising as in this
    current "Heart" Radio campaign?
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    Is it possible to block certain words so it does not respond to them?

    Or change the trigger word to activate ALEXA, if everyons used different
    words then would not be possible to misuse for advertising purposes.

    Fortunately I never hear any radio adverts!

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to Graham. on Wed Oct 11 08:01:07 2023
    On 11/10/2023 02:31, Graham. wrote:
    Isn't there some sort of rule about not deliberately triggering smart speakers, on mass, especially in the name of advertising as in this current "Heart" Radio campaign?

    If you have an Alexa, you're likely to be using that as your 'radio', so
    it's not going to cause a problem (she doesn't trigger herself) If you
    don't have an Alexa, there's no problem, is there ?

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  • From JMB99@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Wed Oct 11 08:06:59 2023
    On 11/10/2023 08:01, Mark Carver wrote:
    If you have an Alexa, you're likely to be using that as your 'radio', so
    it's not going to cause a problem (she doesn't trigger herself) If you
    don't have an Alexa, there's no problem, is there ?



    Not necessarily, I sometimes use ALEXA but it can be unreliable so often
    easier to just listen on DAB.

    Would another commercial station carry an advert for HEART though?

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 11 08:42:18 2023
    On 11/10/2023 08:06, JMB99 wrote:
    On 11/10/2023 08:01, Mark Carver wrote:
    If you have an Alexa, you're likely to be using that as your 'radio',
    so it's not going to cause a problem (she doesn't trigger herself) If
    you don't have an Alexa, there's no problem, is there ?



    Not necessarily, I sometimes use ALEXA but it can be unreliable so often easier to just listen on DAB.

    It's hardly going to be a major widespread problem.

    Would another commercial station carry an advert for HEART though?

    Yes, of course, both Global and Bauer plug their own stations. I've
    heard Smooth and Heart promoted on LBC for instance.

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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to Roderick Stewart on Wed Oct 11 09:18:22 2023
    You might have a look at the app called navilens. It has been designed to be
    a code read from a distance and it can read several at once. Very handy but open to abuse, in my opinion.
    Brian

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    On Wed, 11 Oct 2023 02:31:26 +0100 (GMT+01:00), "Graham. " <graham-usenet@mail.com> wrote:

    Isn't there some sort of rule about not deliberately triggering smart >>speakers, on mass, especially in the name of advertising as in this
    current "Heart" Radio campaign?

    If not, it can only be a matter of time. I'm just waiting till it
    occurs to somebody to bypass the current thoughtcrime laws by printing
    their chosen slogans (commercial, religious, ideological, political or whatever) in the form of QR codes on T-shirts. It'll be fascinating to
    see the inevitable debate about how 'offensive' something can be said
    to be in light of the amount of effort a would-be offendee has to go
    to in order to decode and understand it. We live in crazy times.

    Rod.

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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Wed Oct 11 09:24:17 2023
    Yes indeed, but they also have a smart phone app that can be used. I have to say thatwiring up thee lady to an aux port on a decent hi if is very good.
    Its far easer than fiddling about with tuning stuff in and there are skills like my tuner radio and radio player that can play stations from around the world. Tune in cannot do that due to a court ruling of course, but skills
    based elsewhere don't cre and that should be the case, but some cranky old judge did a ruling and started the slow rot of restricting links by the recording giants who want to protect their regional market share.
    Brian

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    "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:kon1uqF4q81U1@mid.individual.net...
    On 11/10/2023 08:06, JMB99 wrote:
    On 11/10/2023 08:01, Mark Carver wrote:
    If you have an Alexa, you're likely to be using that as your 'radio', so >>> it's not going to cause a problem (she doesn't trigger herself) If you
    don't have an Alexa, there's no problem, is there ?



    Not necessarily, I sometimes use ALEXA but it can be unreliable so often
    easier to just listen on DAB.

    It's hardly going to be a major widespread problem.

    Would another commercial station carry an advert for HEART though?

    Yes, of course, both Global and Bauer plug their own stations. I've heard Smooth and Heart promoted on LBC for instance.

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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to Graham. on Wed Oct 11 09:45:42 2023
    It does not trigger mine. There is no law, only common sense. You also might
    be interested to know that Billy Joels daughter is called Alexa, imagine
    what problems she must get!

    There are many names I've heard the A lady respond to. I use Computer on
    one here, and sometimes when I'm on the phone it will pop up and say, sorry
    I missed something.


    Most of mine seem to allow Computer, Amazon and Alexa, but apparently in
    some markets you can use the name ziggy. I was told that if you hold certain buttons and read some set text to it you can make it respond to any string
    you like until you disconnect the power. This is often done by radio
    stations, One such uses Soup drinker, since its unlikely to be something
    that could be said by accident.
    As to why the play heard does not trigger it? I think it could be because there is part of the word which is not quite as clear as it might be, so it hears lexa oracles or similar.
    I guess if you fetid it very close to the microphone it might trigger it.
    My biggest annoyance at the moment is that it often asks if you want to subscribe to things.
    So in the old days you could say, no thanks, Now if you say this it runs a really naff game called no thanks and the subscription is enabled on the
    last item. Sharp practice, though of course if you are wise you tick the box
    in the app to make sure you cannot do things that cost money by mouth, you
    have to tick a box in the app. I guess otherwise little Johnny would be ordering half of Amazons stock while the parent was out.
    Brian

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    Isn't there some sort of rule about not deliberately triggering smart speakers, on mass, especially in the name of advertising as in this
    current "Heart" Radio campaign?
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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Brian Gaff on Wed Oct 11 09:32:14 2023
    Brian Gaff wrote:

    ou might have a look at the app called navilens. It has been designed to
    be a code read from a distance and it can read several at once. Very
    handy but open to abuse, in my opinion.

    Do they still put them on cornflakes packets?

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  • From Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems L@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 11 10:32:00 2023
    It does not trigger mine. There is no law, only common sense. You
    also might be interested to know that Billy Joels daughter is
    called Alexa

    The Echo wake word can be changed through the application from Alexa to Echo, Computer, Amazon or Ziggy, and Hey Santa, but that seems to be a special...

    Hearing the wake word on radio or TV has always been a problem, but mostly if you look at privacy review voice history it says 'Audio was not intended for Alexa', they probably build a database of phrases captured from TV and radio to ignore.

    The US version of Ghosts had a recent episode where they played with Alexas, which kept triggering mine.

    My FireTV has Alexa, and that triggers itself. Unfortunately I can not change the FireTV wake word, not available in the app!

    Angus

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  • From J. P. Gilliver@21:1/5 to Roderick Stewart on Wed Oct 11 10:17:23 2023
    In message <hcgcii1gs44kbduju3clldqke0deui3rnu@4ax.com> at Wed, 11 Oct
    2023 07:41:35, Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> writes
    On Wed, 11 Oct 2023 02:31:26 +0100 (GMT+01:00), "Graham. " ><graham-usenet@mail.com> wrote:

    Isn't there some sort of rule about not deliberately triggering smart >>speakers, on mass, especially in the name of advertising as in this
    current "Heart" Radio campaign?

    If not, it can only be a matter of time. I'm just waiting till it
    occurs to somebody to bypass the current thoughtcrime laws by printing
    their chosen slogans (commercial, religious, ideological, political or >whatever) in the form of QR codes on T-shirts. It'll be fascinating to
    see the inevitable debate about how 'offensive' something can be said
    to be in light of the amount of effort a would-be offendee has to go
    to in order to decode and understand it. We live in crazy times.

    Rod.

    On the other hand, I remember many years ago concerns about young ladies wearing T-shirts with writing on them, and then people trying to read
    what it said, rather than staring at their chest. If (e. g.) QR codes
    start appearing on that particular surface, needing people to point a
    fobile at them, this could cause endless trouble - both ways (oglers
    using it as an excuse, genuine trying-to-readers being falsely accused).
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    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    Look out for #1. Don't step in #2 either.

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  • From J. P. Gilliver@21:1/5 to mb@nospam.net on Wed Oct 11 10:28:42 2023
    In message <ug5gnr$1mmut$1@dont-email.me> at Wed, 11 Oct 2023 07:52:42,
    JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> writes
    On 11/10/2023 02:31, Graham. wrote:
    Isn't there some sort of rule about not deliberately triggering smart >>speakers, on mass, especially in the name of advertising as in this
    current "Heart" Radio campaign?
    --


    Is it possible to block certain words so it does not respond to them?

    Or change the trigger word to activate ALEXA, if everyons used
    different words then would not be possible to misuse for advertising >purposes.

    Fortunately I never hear any radio adverts!

    I'm pretty certain the trigger word can be changed - though I don't know whether to anything, or only one of a fairly small list. Nor whether the
    units remember the change if power is removed: these days that should be
    the default (with a reset button), but it wouldn't surprise me if it
    isn't.

    But most people won't change the default. Legislation/regulation could
    go either way: saying the default word should not be broadcast could be
    seen as a free speech infringement (comedians often do a sketch about
    Alexa for example), but protecting it is forcing people to change the
    default. (The latter - i. e. the current situation - is likely to
    remain, and it's like expecting people to have the ability to use an
    "app" for all sorts of things: basically, to those who don't want to, or
    can't, "tough".)
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    Look out for #1. Don't step in #2 either.

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  • From Roderick Stewart@21:1/5 to brian1gaff@gmail.com on Wed Oct 11 11:34:08 2023
    On Wed, 11 Oct 2023 09:18:22 +0100, "Brian Gaff"
    <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:

    You might have a look at the app called navilens. It has been designed to be >a code read from a distance and it can read several at once. Very handy but >open to abuse, in my opinion.
    Brian

    I hadn't heard of Navilens, but it looks like a QR code restricted to
    a resolution of 5x5 squares to make it readable from a greater
    distance, but with coloured squares (which a normal QR code doesn't
    have; they're just black and white) to make up for the reduced
    information content that a 5x5 QR code would otherwise have.

    It's a clever idea. Somebody has evidently thought about the QR code
    and realised that since phone cameras can see colour, they might as
    well use the extra information capacity.

    It would be a particularly cruel form of mischief to print misleading
    signs as Navilens codes, as it's likely that only blind people would
    be using the app for them, but standard QR codes are used on posters
    and labels everywhere and modern phone cameras seem to have readers
    installed by default. I find that if my phone happens to catch sight
    of a QR code anywhere in the frame when I'm trying to take a picture
    it will show the decoded text superimposed on the image, and if the
    text happens to be a URL I would only have to tap on it to open a
    browser to go there. The opportunities for advertisers and/or mischief
    makers are very clear.

    Rod.

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  • From Roderick Stewart@21:1/5 to G6JPG@255soft.uk on Wed Oct 11 11:56:25 2023
    0On Wed, 11 Oct 2023 10:28:42 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver"
    <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

    Is it possible to block certain words so it does not respond to them?

    Or change the trigger word to activate ALEXA, if everyons used
    different words then would not be possible to misuse for advertising >>purposes.

    Fortunately I never hear any radio adverts!

    I'm pretty certain the trigger word can be changed - though I don't know >whether to anything, or only one of a fairly small list. Nor whether the >units remember the change if power is removed: these days that should be
    the default (with a reset button), but it wouldn't surprise me if it
    isn't.

    During my brief experience with one of these gadgets before the
    novelty wore off (some time ago so it's possible the situation has
    changed by now) I discovered that the wake word could be changed but
    only to one of a very small prescribed list. It did occasionally
    respond to something it had misheard from the TV, so I guess it would
    be possible for a broadcaster to include a definite command.

    For maximum amusement or annoyance (depending on your view) a command
    such as "Alexa, what's factorial one hundred?" used to keep it
    occupied for a while, but after a while they changed the format of
    replies to something a lot shorter.

    One of my grandsprogs has discovered how to make Alexa invoke a
    selection from a huge repertoire of fart noises. Yes, really. Somebody
    has actually gone to the trouble of programming this, and goodness
    knows what else.

    Rod.

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  • From J. P. Gilliver@21:1/5 to Roderick Stewart on Wed Oct 11 13:59:05 2023
    In message <skucii5mvllkskl8bhghr5dl8ut2ehp855@4ax.com> at Wed, 11 Oct
    2023 11:56:25, Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> writes
    []
    During my brief experience with one of these gadgets before the
    novelty wore off (some time ago so it's possible the situation has

    Having visited people who have one (actually several), I found it quite
    useful - mainly for things I'd normally use Google for (e. g.: Alexa,
    who sang xyz, or Alexa: how tall/old is abc); to the extent that I'd be
    quite pleased if someone bought me one, though I haven't felt any urge
    to buy myself one. In what way did you find the novelty wore off? I can
    see you'd fairly soon stop using it just for the sake of it - I did; but
    as I say, I found it useful. Also "Alexa: remind me at XX about YY" was
    easier than setting up such things on the computer.

    changed by now) I discovered that the wake word could be changed but
    only to one of a very small prescribed list. It did occasionally
    respond to something it had misheard from the TV, so I guess it would
    be possible for a broadcaster to include a definite command.

    I wondered if one could try "Alexa: say Siri" and vice versa, but I
    don't think we ever got round to trying it. (Thinking about it, saying
    that would wake up Siri anyway.)

    Being triggered by something broadcast reminds me - I used to have one
    of those whistle keyrings - if you forgot where you'd left your keys,
    you whistled, and it beeped to help you find them. (They were - are, I'm
    sure you can still get them - about the shape and size of a large memory stick.) But I found certain things set it off - Margaret Thatcher's
    voice being one of them. Since it dangled from the ignition in the car,
    and she was often on in commute time, it tended to run down its cell
    rather quickly.

    For maximum amusement or annoyance (depending on your view) a command
    such as "Alexa, what's factorial one hundred?" used to keep it
    occupied for a while, but after a while they changed the format of
    replies to something a lot shorter.

    A lot of speech-synthesis software defaults to reading out numbers in
    normal speech form - X million, Y thousand, Z hundred and ... which is a
    pain when it's something like a telephone number.

    One of my grandsprogs has discovered how to make Alexa invoke a
    selection from a huge repertoire of fart noises. Yes, really. Somebody

    I'd be surprised if "Alexa: make a fart noise" doesn't work; possibly
    even just "Alexa: fart". Certainly things like "Alexa: tell me a joke"
    or "Alexa: sing to me" do.

    has actually gone to the trouble of programming this, and goodness
    knows what else.

    Rod.

    A lot of that, of course, is back at base, not inside the little
    cylinder. This isn't a fact that they draw your attention to - they like
    you to think Alexa does it itself, much like the mobile operators like
    you to think your 'phone and your 'phone service are the same thing. If
    you turn off your router, you'll find Alexa is a lot dumber - I _think_
    it will still respond for some things (maybe it can still tell you the
    time for example), but most it will just apologise that it can't tell
    you that right now, or similar.
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  • From Graham.@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 12 01:35:10 2023
    Mark, I omitted to say this was a TV advertising campaign.

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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 12 09:24:52 2023
    I'm sure they could very easily enable anything as the wake word, but do not
    or some bright spark would call it something rude.
    Brian

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    It does not trigger mine. There is no law, only common sense. You
    also might be interested to know that Billy Joels daughter is
    called Alexa

    The Echo wake word can be changed through the application from Alexa to
    Echo,
    Computer, Amazon or Ziggy, and Hey Santa, but that seems to be a
    special...

    Hearing the wake word on radio or TV has always been a problem, but mostly
    if
    you look at privacy review voice history it says 'Audio was not intended
    for
    Alexa', they probably build a database of phrases captured from TV and
    radio to
    ignore.

    The US version of Ghosts had a recent episode where they played with
    Alexas,
    which kept triggering mine.

    My FireTV has Alexa, and that triggers itself. Unfortunately I can not change
    the FireTV wake word, not available in the app!

    Angus


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