• Re: New relays for mini-Bilsdale

    From Woody@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Tue Nov 2 12:00:23 2021
    On Tue 02/11/2021 11:35, Mark Carver wrote:
    On 02/11/2021 11:22, Woody wrote:
    I hear that two new Freeview-Lite relays have been installed for the
    mini-Bisdale area

    They are Loftus and Thirsk. Anyone officially know where the sites
    actually are? My money says Loftus will be on the old Home Office
    (Durham Police/Fire) site atop Boulby cliffs (the highest cliffs in
    GB) a little up the coast from Loftus, and Thirsk will be on the
    former BBC (radio) site at Woolmoor. (The hill is actually Kirkby
    Knowle east of Thirsk but it was called Woolmoor after the large house
    that used to sit on top of the hill but long since demolished.

    If I am right Thirsk could have minor issues as many users in and
    around Thirsk can receive Emley and the PSB2 channel for Thirsk is 33
    which is also used on Emley.

    Thirsk  NGR SE 4465 8243    Ch 30, 26, 23  50w ERP  Hor P  (Seems to be
    due east of the town here https://goo.gl/maps/ctSuP55LjzF12E6BA   )

    Lofus  NZ 7130 1763   Ch 29, 31, 37   50w  ERP   Hor P  (South of the
    town, here   https://goo.gl/maps/yA55LJ7zPLvbPEze7   )

    Can't see any existing structures in either location. The idea is they
    are sited 'in line-ish' with Bilsdale so existing aerials will work.

    This site https://rxtvinfo.com/2021/bilsdale-where-services-have-already-been-restored says 26, 30, and 33?

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to Woody on Tue Nov 2 11:35:03 2021
    On 02/11/2021 11:22, Woody wrote:
    I hear that two new Freeview-Lite relays have been installed for the mini-Bisdale area

    They are Loftus and Thirsk. Anyone officially know where the sites
    actually are? My money says Loftus will be on the old Home Office
    (Durham Police/Fire) site atop Boulby cliffs (the highest cliffs in
    GB) a little up the coast from Loftus, and Thirsk will be on the
    former BBC (radio) site at Woolmoor. (The hill is actually Kirkby
    Knowle east of Thirsk but it was called Woolmoor after the large house
    that used to sit on top of the hill but long since demolished.

    If I am right Thirsk could have minor issues as many users in and
    around Thirsk can receive Emley and the PSB2 channel for Thirsk is 33
    which is also used on Emley.

    Thirsk  NGR SE 4465 8243    Ch 30, 26, 23  50w ERP  Hor P  (Seems to be due east of the town here https://goo.gl/maps/ctSuP55LjzF12E6BA   )

    Lofus  NZ 7130 1763   Ch 29, 31, 37   50w  ERP   Hor P  (South of the town, here   https://goo.gl/maps/yA55LJ7zPLvbPEze7   )

    Can't see any existing structures in either location. The idea is they
    are sited 'in line-ish' with Bilsdale so existing aerials will work.

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  • From Woody@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 2 11:22:28 2021
    I hear that two new Freeview-Lite relays have been installed for the mini-Bisdale area

    They are Loftus and Thirsk. Anyone officially know where the sites
    actually are? My money says Loftus will be on the old Home Office
    (Durham Police/Fire) site atop Boulby cliffs (the highest cliffs in GB)
    a little up the coast from Loftus, and Thirsk will be on the former BBC
    (radio) site at Woolmoor. (The hill is actually Kirkby Knowle east of
    Thirsk but it was called Woolmoor after the large house that used to sit
    on top of the hill but long since demolished.

    If I am right Thirsk could have minor issues as many users in and around
    Thirsk can receive Emley and the PSB2 channel for Thirsk is 33 which is
    also used on Emley.

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to Woody on Tue Nov 2 12:07:22 2021
    On 02/11/2021 12:00, Woody wrote:
    On Tue 02/11/2021 11:35, Mark Carver wrote:
    On 02/11/2021 11:22, Woody wrote:
    I hear that two new Freeview-Lite relays have been installed for the
    mini-Bisdale area

    They are Loftus and Thirsk. Anyone officially know where the sites
    actually are? My money says Loftus will be on the old Home Office
    (Durham Police/Fire) site atop Boulby cliffs (the highest cliffs in
    GB) a little up the coast from Loftus, and Thirsk will be on the
    former BBC (radio) site at Woolmoor. (The hill is actually Kirkby
    Knowle east of Thirsk but it was called Woolmoor after the large
    house that used to sit on top of the hill but long since demolished.

    If I am right Thirsk could have minor issues as many users in and
    around Thirsk can receive Emley and the PSB2 channel for Thirsk is
    33 which is also used on Emley.

    Thirsk  NGR SE 4465 8243    Ch 30, 26, 23  50w ERP  Hor P (Seems to
    be due east of the town here https://goo.gl/maps/ctSuP55LjzF12E6BA   )

    Lofus  NZ 7130 1763   Ch 29, 31, 37   50w  ERP   Hor P  (South of the
    town, here   https://goo.gl/maps/yA55LJ7zPLvbPEze7   )

    Can't see any existing structures in either location. The idea is
    they are sited 'in line-ish' with Bilsdale so existing aerials will
    work.

    This site https://rxtvinfo.com/2021/bilsdale-where-services-have-already-been-restored

    says 26, 30, and 33?

    Well my info came from a pretty authoritative source, and also the
    Freeview site seems to agree with my source ?

    30, 26, 23 https://www.freeview.co.uk/help/channel-information-bilsdale-temporary-mast-eston-nab-arncliffe-wood

    Using 33 in Thirsk would be nuts (because of Emley COM 4) so rxtv info
    is presumably wrong

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  • From williamwright@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Tue Nov 2 18:04:28 2021
    On 02/11/2021 12:07, Mark Carver wrote:
    Well my info came from a pretty authoritative source, and also the
    Freeview site seems to agree with my source ?

    30, 26, 23 https://www.freeview.co.uk/help/channel-information-bilsdale-temporary-mast-eston-nab-arncliffe-wood


    Using 33 in Thirsk would be nuts (because of Emley COM 4) so rxtv info
    is presumably wrong

    It was a typo and whoever corrected it did it in bold by accident!

    Bill

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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to williamwright on Wed Nov 3 09:44:15 2021
    Surely, if they are replacing bilsdale by more than one transmitter, they should replace all channels covered by the original transmitter?

    Are they intending to rebuilt the big mast on the original site with the
    same transmitter powers and polar diagrams?
    Also what happened to the radio services on the mast?

    Brian

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    "williamwright" <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote in message news:iudctcF3ackU1@mid.individual.net...
    On 02/11/2021 12:07, Mark Carver wrote:
    Well my info came from a pretty authoritative source, and also the
    Freeview site seems to agree with my source ?

    30, 26, 23
    https://www.freeview.co.uk/help/channel-information-bilsdale-temporary-mast-eston-nab-arncliffe-wood
    Using 33 in Thirsk would be nuts (because of Emley COM 4) so rxtv info is
    presumably wrong

    It was a typo and whoever corrected it did it in bold by accident!

    Bill

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 3 09:58:27 2021
    On 03/11/2021 09:44, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
    Surely, if they are replacing bilsdale by more than one transmitter, they should replace all channels covered by the original transmitter?

    Are they intending to rebuilt the big mast on the original site with the
    same transmitter powers and polar diagrams?
    Unknown at present

    Also what happened to the radio services on the mast?

    FM services have moved to Eston Nab. National DAB muxes have been
    reinstated from the temporary 80m mast

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  • From Woody@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Wed Nov 3 17:51:34 2021
    On Wed 03/11/2021 09:58, Mark Carver wrote:
    On 03/11/2021 09:44, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
    Surely, if they are replacing bilsdale by more than one transmitter, they
    should replace all channels covered by the original transmitter?

    Are they intending to rebuilt the big mast on the original site with the
    same transmitter powers and polar diagrams?
    Unknown at present

      Also what happened to the radio services on the mast?

    FM services have moved to Eston Nab. National DAB muxes have been
    reinstated from the temporary 80m mast

    Arqiva have applied for planning permission to replace the original mast
    at Bilsdale with a 78m triangular free-standing tower with its base at
    the NE corner of the original buildings. This location will put it a
    little higher than the present mini-Bilsdale.

    If they get approval I would expect they will replace FM from EN to new-Bilsdale and posibly put a small relay at EN or even a bit down the hillside. The area with the smaller structure that suffers is directly
    over the escarpment to the West, but that is covered by Woolmoor which I suppose could be up-powered a bit to help.

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Thu Nov 4 09:03:11 2021
    On 03/11/2021 09:58, Mark Carver wrote:
    On 03/11/2021 09:44, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
    Surely, if they are replacing bilsdale by more than one transmitter,
    they
    should replace all channels covered by the original transmitter?

    Are they intending to rebuilt the big mast on the original site with the
    same transmitter powers and polar diagrams?
    Unknown at present

      Also what happened to the radio services on the mast?

    FM services have moved to Eston Nab. National DAB muxes have been
    reinstated from the temporary 80m mast

    The FM services moved to Eston are all running at 375 watts  (300 V and
    75 H)
    Smooth FM that was always at Eston is 5kW   (equal H and V split)

    Bilsdale Temp has no FM services at present, but the three national DAB
    muxes are there at 2kW each

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to Woody on Thu Nov 4 08:52:21 2021
    On 03/11/2021 17:51, Woody wrote:
    On Wed 03/11/2021 09:58, Mark Carver wrote:
    On 03/11/2021 09:44, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
    Surely, if they are replacing bilsdale by more than one transmitter,
    they
    should replace all channels covered by the original transmitter?

    Are they intending to rebuilt the big mast on the original site with
    the
    same transmitter powers and polar diagrams?
    Unknown at present

      Also what happened to the radio services on the mast?

    FM services have moved to Eston Nab. National DAB muxes have been
    reinstated from the temporary 80m mast

    Arqiva have applied for planning permission to replace the original
    mast at Bilsdale with a 78m triangular free-standing tower with its
    base at the NE corner of the original buildings. This location will
    put it a little higher than the present mini-Bilsdale.

    If they get approval I would expect they will replace FM from EN to new-Bilsdale and posibly put a small relay at EN or even a bit down
    the hillside. The area with the smaller structure that suffers is
    directly over the escarpment to the West, but that is covered by
    Woolmoor which I suppose could be up-powered a bit to help.

    Yes. They might do that with the national services, I'm not so sure
    about the local services, Smooth 107.7 never used Bilsdale, they opted
    for Eston Nab to cover the 'Teeeside' region. Since the fire both BBC
    Tees and the other commercial stations have all moved to Eston. BBC Tees
    have also added a relay for Darlington. I wonder if the local stations
    will opt to stay at Eston ?

    It's also stopped the ludicrous overspill Bilsdale had for these
    stations to the south. As far as the BBC are concerned that was just
    Tees overlapping with BBC York's patch, but the commercial radio
    stations may well want that patch back. Depends what Arqiva will charge
    to keep them at Eston, against moving back to Bilsdale !

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  • From williamwright@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Thu Nov 4 17:21:12 2021
    On 04/11/2021 08:52, Mark Carver wrote:
    It's also stopped the ludicrous overspill Bilsdale had for these
    stations to the south. As far as the BBC are concerned that was just
    Tees overlapping with BBC York's patch,

    Tees was a decent signal in many parts of S Yorkshire.

    Bill

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 5 15:40:04 2021
    Enjoy

    https://youtu.be/o9tdrXwrZNA

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  • From Tweed@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Fri Nov 5 16:31:00 2021
    Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 05/11/2021 16:16, Woody wrote:
    On Fri 05/11/2021 15:40, Mark Carver wrote:
    Enjoy

    https://youtu.be/o9tdrXwrZNA

    Ah, know Stonehouse Bakery in Saltburn well, and boy do they make good
    sarnis and stickies!!

    I'm sure Arqiva's accounts dept will be processing all those lunch claims !


    Bake-off- this week’s challenge is to construct a TV transmitter….

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  • From Woody@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Fri Nov 5 16:31:05 2021
    On Fri 05/11/2021 16:23, Mark Carver wrote:
    On 05/11/2021 16:16, Woody wrote:
    On Fri 05/11/2021 15:40, Mark Carver wrote:
    Enjoy

    https://youtu.be/o9tdrXwrZNA

    Ah, know Stonehouse Bakery in Saltburn well, and boy do they make good
    sarnis and stickies!!

    I'm sure Arqiva's accounts dept will be processing all those lunch claims !


    Not from me they won't - I took VR as early retirement in 2013!

    However we visit Saltburn-by-the-Sea quite often as it is quicker and
    easier to get to from here than Scarborough and it just a plain 'nice
    place.' Then we drive down the coast to Whitby (passing Loftus) and
    visit Elizabeth Botham's bakery who make even better cakes and sarnis -
    indeed almost as good as Betty's!

    For anyone interested the prog Architecture the Railways Gave Us
    currently being repeated on Yesterday did a section about Saltburn, its
    pier, and the oldest cliff lift in the UK only a few weeks ago. You
    should be able to find it on UK TV Play.

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  • From NY@21:1/5 to Tweed on Fri Nov 5 17:08:50 2021
    "Tweed" <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote in message news:sm3m84$ri2$1@dont-email.me...
    Bake-off- this week’s challenge is to construct a TV transmitter….

    And if you leave it in the oven too long, you might end up re-creating the Bilsdale fire.

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  • From NY@21:1/5 to Woody on Fri Nov 5 17:14:37 2021
    "Woody" <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:sm3m89$rj8$1@dont-email.me...
    However we visit Saltburn-by-the-Sea quite often as it is quicker and
    easier to get to from here than Scarborough and it just a plain 'nice
    place.' Then we drive down the coast to Whitby (passing Loftus) and visit Elizabeth Botham's bakery who make even better cakes and sarnis - indeed almost as good as Betty's!

    For anyone interested the prog Architecture the Railways Gave Us currently being repeated on Yesterday did a section about Saltburn, its pier, and
    the oldest cliff lift in the UK only a few weeks ago. You should be able
    to find it on UK TV Play.

    I was brought up to feel a great gratitude for Saltburn. My school had
    suffered a major fire in 1904 and all the boarders were evacuated to
    premises (now a hotel, I think) in Saltburn for a couple of years until the school in Wakefield had been rebuilt. I walked past the building once when I went to Saltburn without knowing which it was, and only recognised it
    recently when someone from the school posted a photo of it and the commemorative plaque outside (which mis-spells the school's name - grr).

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to Woody on Fri Nov 5 16:23:28 2021
    On 05/11/2021 16:16, Woody wrote:
    On Fri 05/11/2021 15:40, Mark Carver wrote:
    Enjoy

    https://youtu.be/o9tdrXwrZNA

    Ah, know Stonehouse Bakery in Saltburn well, and boy do they make good
    sarnis and stickies!!

    I'm sure Arqiva's accounts dept will be processing all those lunch claims !

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  • From Woody@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Fri Nov 5 16:16:21 2021
    On Fri 05/11/2021 15:40, Mark Carver wrote:
    Enjoy

    https://youtu.be/o9tdrXwrZNA

    Ah, know Stonehouse Bakery in Saltburn well, and boy do they make good
    sarnis and stickies!!

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  • From Ulrich Onken@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 11 22:43:14 2023
    Am 04.11.2021 um 10:03 schrieb Mark Carver:

    The FM services moved to Eston are all running at 375 watts  (300 V and
    75 H)
    Smooth FM that was always at Eston is 5kW   (equal H and V split)

    Bilsdale Temp has no FM services at present, but the three national DAB
    muxes are there at 2kW each

    I am not sure if this piece of news has not been mentioned already. Mini-Bilsdale and its relays appear to be history soon, with the new
    tower in service since 22 May:

    https://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/23538597.new-bilsdale-tv-mast-goes-live---almost-two-years-fire/

    https://www.bilsdalemast.co.uk/latest-news/posts/bilsdale-mast-to-begin-transmitting-tv-signals-on-monday-22-may-2023/

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0fpp0cz

    According to the planning application the new tower has a height of
    306.2 m, including the TV antenna on top.

    http://planning.northyorkmoors.org.uk/northgate/documentexplorer/application/stream.aspx?target=http%3A%2F%2Flocalhost%2FNorthgate%2FDocumentExplorer%2FDocumentStream%2FDocumentStream.aspx%3Fname%3D2021-12-16%2BPublic%2B-%2BPlans.pdf%26unique%3D817376%
    26type%3DNLPL_DC_PLANAPP

    Can anyone confirm that all services have been moved to the new tower?

    Regards,
    Uli

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Ulrich Onken on Mon Jun 12 07:03:48 2023
    Ulrich Onken wrote:

    Can anyone confirm that all services have been moved to the new tower?

    The most recent news page says
    "Local TV will return in due course as well as radio."

    We should probably expect freeview shutdown date to be announced
    Real Soon Now[TM]

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Mon Jun 12 08:56:21 2023
    On 12/06/2023 07:03, Andy Burns wrote:
    Ulrich Onken wrote:

    Can anyone confirm that all services have been moved to the new tower?

    The most recent news page says
    "Local TV will return in due course as well as radio."

    Yes. The pictures on mb21 taken on May 21st, only show the national DTT antennas in place, no sign yet of the local TV ones, or any FM or DAB
    arrays.

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