After POTS is dropped and we all go VoIP, will it support CLI?
Perhaps some of those already on VoIP, but using their "old" (still
being sold, I think) fancy 'phones that displayed CLI plugged into the special socket on the router or whatever, can tell us if CLI still
works. (I. e. does the 'phone show who's calling.)
After POTS is dropped and we all go VoIP, will it support CLI?
Perhaps some of those already on VoIP, but using their "old" (still
being sold, I think) fancy 'phones that displayed CLI plugged into the special socket on the router or whatever, can tell us if CLI still
works. (I. e. does the 'phone show who's calling.)
After POTS is dropped and we all go VoIP, will it support CLI?
Perhaps some of those already on VoIP, but using their "old" (still
being sold, I think) fancy 'phones that displayed CLI plugged into the >special socket on the router or whatever, can tell us if CLI still
works. (I. e. does the 'phone show who's calling.)
After POTS is dropped and we all go VoIP, will it support CLI?
Perhaps some of those already on VoIP, but using their "old" (still
being sold, I think) fancy 'phones that displayed CLI plugged into the >special socket on the router or whatever, can tell us if CLI still
works. (I. e. does the 'phone show who's calling.)
On 03/09/2023 14:24, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
After POTS is dropped and we all go VoIP, will it support CLI?
Perhaps some of those already on VoIP, but using their "old" (still
being sold, I think) fancy 'phones that displayed CLI plugged into the >>special socket on the router or whatever, can tell us if CLI still
works. (I. e. does the 'phone show who's calling.)
I know from family BT Digital Voice does (in and out). I'd be very
surprised if any other grown-up firm doesn't: it's required of all >communication providers unless they can show it's too
difficult/expensive.
In message <946149e4-f9b8-41fa-086a-b494cdfe5d5d@outlook.com> at Sun, 3
Sep 2023 17:08:13, Robin <rbw@outlook.com> writes
On 03/09/2023 14:24, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
After POTS is dropped and we all go VoIP, will it support CLI?
 Perhaps some of those already on VoIP, but using their "old" (still
being sold, I think) fancy 'phones that displayed CLI plugged into
the special socket on the router or whatever, can tell us if CLI
still works. (I. e. does the 'phone show who's calling.)
I know from family BT Digital Voice does (in and out). I'd be very
surprised if any other grown-up firm doesn't: it's required of all
communication providers unless they can show it's too
difficult/expensive.
I didn't mean do they supply _some_ sort of CLI, I meant does the router/adaperbox/whatever convert it so that 'phones that work with the existing CLI continue to work. But from what everyone (except the first
one) is saying, they do. Thanks all.
On 03/09/2023 18:55, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
In message <946149e4-f9b8-41fa-086a-b494cdfe5d5d@outlook.com> at Sun,
3 Sep 2023 17:08:13, Robin <rbw@outlook.com> writes
On 03/09/2023 14:24, J. P. Gilliver wrote:the existing CLI continue to work. But from what everyone (except the >>first one) is saying, they do. Thanks all.
After POTS is dropped and we all go VoIP, will it support CLI?
Perhaps some of those already on VoIP, but using their "old"
(still being sold, I think) fancy 'phones that displayed CLI
plugged into the special socket on the router or whatever, can tell
us if CLI still works. (I. e. does the 'phone show who's calling.)
I know from family BT Digital Voice does (in and out). I'd be very >>>surprised if any other grown-up firm doesn't: it's required of all >>>communication providers unless they can show it's too difficult/expensive. >> I didn't mean do they supply _some_ sort of CLI, I meant does the >>router/adaperbox/whatever convert it so that 'phones that work with
It may surprise you to know that Ofcom don't allow providers to make up
their own form of CLI data so e.g. it can only be understood by one
monk in a Tibetan monastery.
No, but it wouldn't have surprised me at all if they didn't implement it
at all. Much as I'll be slightly surprised if the new sockets output
enough oomph to ring an electromechanincal bell, and very surprised if
they support pulse dialling.
I didn't mean do they supply _some_ sort of CLI, I meant does the >router/adaperbox/whatever convert it so that 'phones that work with the >existing CLI continue to work.
J. P. Gilliver wrote:
No, but it wouldn't have surprised me at all if they didn't implement it
at all. Much as I'll be slightly surprised if the new sockets output
enough oomph to ring an electromechanincal bell, and very surprised if
they support pulse dialling.
Whilst exploring if both phone sockets on my Virgin router can be
used in parallel (they can't), at one point I had a very old
wired one-piece phone connected, it had pulse dialling, and
worked OK.
On 04/09/2023 08:31, Chris J Dixon wrote:
J. P. Gilliver wrote:
No, but it wouldn't have surprised me at all if they didn'tWhilst exploring if both phone sockets on my Virgin router can be
implement it
at all. Much as I'll be slightly surprised if the new sockets output
enough oomph to ring an electromechanincal bell, and very surprised if
they support pulse dialling.
used in parallel (they can't), at one point I had a very old
Wow, that is a surprise.wired one-piece phone connected, it had pulse dialling, and
worked OK.
Yes, it's not mandated by Ofcom but is in some routers (although the
supplier may say it's not a supported service).
In message <fb436295-8254-3e01-7c54-1dda0fb768f7@outlook.com> at Mon,Plusnet do not, and as far as I know will not ever, support a VoIP
4 Sep 2023 09:47:25, Robin <rbw@outlook.com> writes
On 04/09/2023 08:31, Chris J Dixon wrote:
J. P. Gilliver wrote:
No, but it wouldn't have surprised me at all if they didn't Whilst exploring if both phone sockets on my Virgin router can be
implement it
at all. Much as I'll be slightly surprised if the new sockets output
enough oomph to ring an electromechanincal bell, and very surprised if >>>> they support pulse dialling.
used in parallel (they can't), at one point I had a very old
What do you mean by "in parallel" - plugging two 'phones into them
(maybe one via an extension lead)? If they can't, what do you think is
the reason for there being two of them?
Wow, that is a surprise.wired one-piece phone connected, it had pulse dialling, and
worked OK.
We shall see what PlusNet's "hub 2" does, in time, I expect!
Yes, it's not mandated by Ofcom but is in some routers (although the
supplier may say it's not a supported service).
On Sun 03/09/2023 14:24, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
After POTS is dropped and we all go VoIP, will it support CLI?
Perhaps some of those already on VoIP, but using their "old" (still being
sold, I think) fancy 'phones that displayed CLI plugged into the special
socket on the router or whatever, can tell us if CLI still works. (I. e.
does the 'phone show who's calling.)
A few years back I set up VoIP between us, f-in-l and daughter on Sipgate using PAP2T ATA's for f-in-l and daughter and a Grandstream SIP phone for
us. The CLI number had to be set up on line into their system. If that was not entered then the account number showed instead
On 04/09/2023 10:30, J. P. Gilliver wrote:[]
We shall see what PlusNet's "hub 2" does, in time, I expect!Plusnet do not, and as far as I know will not ever, support a VoIP
service. If you have a POTs service with them, this will die in 2025,
or (I think from today ?) will not be included in any new service, or
renewal of existing contract.
Folk who wish to keep their 'landline' service will be advised to move
to EE or BT
(I think from today ?) will not be included in any new service, or
renewal of existing contract.
After POTS is dropped and we all go VoIP, will it support CLI?
Perhaps some of those already on VoIP, but using their "old" (still
being sold, I think) fancy 'phones that displayed CLI plugged into the >special socket on the router or whatever, can tell us if CLI still
works. (I. e. does the 'phone show who's calling.)
In message <kllncgF2lgnU1@mid.individual.net> at Mon, 4 Sep 2023
10:46:56, Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> writes
On 04/09/2023 10:30, J. P. Gilliver wrote:[]
We shall see what PlusNet's "hub 2" does, in time, I expect!Plusnet do not, and as far as I know will not ever, support a VoIP
service. If you have a POTs service with them, this will die in 2025,
Strange; the hub 2 has a socket (looks like a normal UK 'phone socket)
with a sticker over it that says Digital Voice Customers only.
Strange; the hub 2 has a socket (looks like a normal UK 'phone socket)
with a sticker over it that says Digital Voice Customers only.
In message <fb436295-8254-3e01-7c54-1dda0fb768f7@outlook.com> at Mon, 4
Sep 2023 09:47:25, Robin <rbw@outlook.com> writes
On 04/09/2023 08:31, Chris J Dixon wrote:
Whilst exploring if both phone sockets on my Virgin router can be
used in parallel (they can't), at one point I had a very old
What do you mean by "in parallel" - plugging two 'phones into them
(maybe one via an extension lead)? If they can't, what do you think is
the reason for there being two of them?
We started using VoIP some 10 or more years ago using VM as the Internet >carrier and im more recent times dumped those RB's and went to Zen via >openreach copper. I still have the Landline number but it comes down the >mobile as a data stream Not a simple divert!
We use VoIPfone fro that and yes you can configure CLI
But these days I just use the mobile now much simpler more flexible and >cheaper overall:))
On 03/09/2023 14:24, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
After POTS is dropped and we all go VoIP, will it support CLI?
Perhaps some of those already on VoIP, but using their "old" (still being
sold, I think) fancy 'phones that displayed CLI plugged into the special
socket on the router or whatever, can tell us if CLI still works. (I. e.
does the 'phone show who's calling.)
I know from family BT Digital Voice does (in and out). I'd be very
surprised if any other grown-up firm doesn't: it's required of all communication providers unless they can show it's too difficult/expensive.
--
Robin
reply-to address is (intended to be) valid
The upshot is that I managed to get my contract - which would have
ended in February ('24) - renewed for 2 years, i. e. to September '25
- keeping exactly what I have now, i. e. broadband and anytime (up to
an hour) calls. (I think there's a limit on calling mobiles, but it
was in the thousands of hours a month, so I'm not bothered!) Not even
mention of having to go to VoIP, though provided I can use my same
'phones, I'm not bothered about that, as long as I keep the number.
On 04/09/2023 10:46, Mark Carver wrote:
(I think from today ?) will not be included in any new service, orIndeed. Openreach's national "Stop Sell" starts tomorrow
renewal of existing contract.
That should ensure you retain your 'copper POTs' service until Sept
2025. All copper POTs services will cease in Dec 2025, so that'll take
as far up to the death day as possible really.
Hopefully before then the industry will have sorted out a scheme, where
you can with ease, and without killing your broadband service, migrate
your phone number to a proper full fat VoIP service provider (and so
decouple for ever your broadband and phone supplier)
https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2023/09/ofcom-uk-urges-industry-pr >ogress-on-phone-number-porting.html
in February ('24) - renewed for 2 years, i. e. to September '25 -
keeping exactly what I have now, i. e. broadband and anytime (up to an
hour) calls. (I think there's a limit on calling mobiles, but it was in
the thousands of hours a month, so I'm not bothered!) Not even mention
of having to go to VoIP, though provided I can use my same 'phones, I'm
not bothered about that, as long as I keep the number.
On 05/09/2023 15:16, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
The upshot is that I managed to get my contract - which would have ended
in February ('24) - renewed for 2 years, i. e. to September '25 -If you have a POTS line now, all you will need to do is plug the POTS
keeping exactly what I have now, i. e. broadband and anytime (up to an
hour) calls. (I think there's a limit on calling mobiles, but it was in
the thousands of hours a month, so I'm not bothered!) Not even mention
of having to go to VoIP, though provided I can use my same 'phones, I'm
not bothered about that, as long as I keep the number.
phone into the phone port on the new router when it arrives. CLI and
other stuff works, as do pulse dial phones with a real bell on most
routers.
Yes, if the provider is providing (!) a VoIP service. It seems PlusNet
are currently planning not to (even though they're providing "routers"
with the necessary hardware in them [I have such a router as had to
get a new one from them]). If the provider doesn't implement a VoIP as
a replacement for the POTS line, having the hardware in the router
won't help.
I did say "if you have POTS" which Plusnet don't currently offer.They did until today. From now onwards for any new contract with Plusnet
In message <klovilFirdiU1@mid.individual.net> at Tue, 5 Sep 2023I did say "if you have POTS" which Plusnet don't currently offer. As far
16:25:08, John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> writes
If you have a POTS line now, all you will need to do is plug the POTSYes, if the provider is providing (!) a VoIP service. It seems PlusNet
phone into the phone port on the new router when it arrives. CLI and
other stuff works, as do pulse dial phones with a real bell on most
routers.
are currently planning not to (even though they're providing "routers"
with the necessary hardware in them [I have such a router as had to get
a new one from them]). If the provider doesn't implement a VoIP as a replacement for the POTS line, having the hardware in the router won't
help.
On 05/09/2023 18:19, John Williamson wrote:
I did say "if you have POTS" which Plusnet don't currently offer.They did until today. From now onwards for any new contract with
Plusnet you get no form or voice service (POTS or VoIP)
If you currently have a POTS service with Plusnet (as I do) then that
will cease in Dec 2025, or when you renew your contract (which ever
comes sooner)
From today it will be impossible to get a POTS line with any supplier
(that uses Openreach's network and infrastructure)
On 05/09/2023 18:19, John Williamson wrote:
I did say "if you have POTS" which Plusnet don't currently offer.They did until today. From now onwards for any new contract with Plusnet
you get no form or voice service (POTS or VoIP)
If you currently have a POTS service with Plusnet (as I do) then that
will cease in Dec 2025, or when you renew your contract (which ever
comes sooner)
From today it will be impossible to get a POTS line with any supplier
(that uses Openreach's network and infrastructure)
In message <5jnN2ODQ1d9kFw22@bancom.co.uk> at Mon, 4 Sep 2023 14:36:16,
tony sayer <tony@bancom.co.uk> writes
[]
We started using VoIP some 10 or more years ago using VM as the Internet >>carrier and im more recent times dumped those RB's and went to Zen via >>openreach copper. I still have the Landline number but it comes down the >>mobile as a data stream Not a simple divert!
(So if someone 'phones the number, what happens?)
If you're paying a monthly mobile anyway, yes. I'm not. I live a fairly >hermit lifestyle (don't go out much); I have broadband and anytime
We use VoIPfone fro that and yes you can configure CLI
But these days I just use the mobile now much simpler more flexible and >>cheaper overall:))
'phone for twentysomething a month from PN, and PAYG for the mobile (of
which there's still some of the tenner I put on it when I bought it
left).
In article <XbkKWZTB2g9kFwAF@255soft.uk>, J. P. Gilliver
<G6JPG@255soft.uk> scribeth thus
In message <5jnN2ODQ1d9kFw22@bancom.co.uk> at Mon, 4 Sep 2023 14:36:16, >>tony sayer <tony@bancom.co.uk> writes
[]
We started using VoIP some 10 or more years ago using VM as the Internet >>>carrier and im more recent times dumped those RB's and went to Zen via >>>openreach copper. I still have the Landline number but it comes down the >>>mobile as a data stream Not a simple divert!
(So if someone 'phones the number, what happens?)
** My mobile rings!
If you're paying a monthly mobile anyway, yes. I'm not. I live a fairly >>hermit lifestyle (don't go out much); I have broadband and anytime
We use VoIPfone fro that and yes you can configure CLI
But these days I just use the mobile now much simpler more flexible and >>>cheaper overall:))
'phone for twentysomething a month from PN, and PAYG for the mobile (of >>which there's still some of the tenner I put on it when I bought it
left).
What works for you is fine!..
In message <uSZYaJAmTM+kFw+9@bancom.co.uk> at Wed, 6 Sep 2023 19:28:54,
tony sayer <tony@bancom.co.uk> writes
In article <XbkKWZTB2g9kFwAF@255soft.uk>, J. P. GilliverAh. I was wondering what you meant by "as a data stream Not a simple >divert". Obviously _everything_ that comes to a mobile these days is
<G6JPG@255soft.uk> scribeth thus
In message <5jnN2ODQ1d9kFw22@bancom.co.uk> at Mon, 4 Sep 2023 14:36:16, >>>tony sayer <tony@bancom.co.uk> writes
[]
We started using VoIP some 10 or more years ago using VM as the Internet >>>>carrier and im more recent times dumped those RB's and went to Zen via >>>>openreach copper. I still have the Landline number but it comes down the >>>>mobile as a data stream Not a simple divert!
(So if someone 'phones the number, what happens?)
** My mobile rings!
data, but it sounds like to a _practical_ effect your calls _do_ come as
a divert. (I take it you have no way of making _outgoing_ calls that
appear to come from that number.)
(-:If you're paying a monthly mobile anyway, yes. I'm not. I live a fairly >>>hermit lifestyle (don't go out much); I have broadband and anytime
We use VoIPfone fro that and yes you can configure CLI
But these days I just use the mobile now much simpler more flexible and >>>>cheaper overall:))
'phone for twentysomething a month from PN, and PAYG for the mobile (of >>>which there's still some of the tenner I put on it when I bought it >>>left).
What works for you is fine!..
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